₦airaland Forum

SEFAGO:
Hmm . . . isnt why the world is so phucked up? Arrogant men thinking they know it all? I do agree that those partaking in democracy must be informed and knowledgeable of the consequences of their vote, but I dont believe anyone has the right to make decisions on the lives for anyone illiterate or literate. Kind of arrogant and patriarchal, that's what the British and the French were using to justify colonialism.

I have no problem with illiterates, some of them are more intelligent than some educated ones. But I have lots of problem with having dumbs in power. And When those dumbs who unfortunately are in majority in some places take silly decisions, am sure you will be among the lots who will start some silly rights-movements. Dumb people should not be allowed to make decision for the intelligent people even if they are in majority, it is the only error/imperfection I found with democracy.

SEFAGO:
I wish, which place practises true autocracy? Like the kind I have in mind, where I am the King of my own dominion, and I can do what I like, when I like. Not one, every space on this earth is owned by one government or the other. Dont you feel like I do, constrained under pressure in a box.

Interesting sidetrack, I think the maybe homos then should be allowed to form their own societies maybe? Then they could have their own president and their own armies, and their own laws e.t.c.

Sure there is a place you can practice autocracy, be the king of your dominion and  do whatever you like - Your Bedroom. Ditto for those homos.  

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=595685.msg7636673#msg7636673 date=1296437188]Lol. The full editorial is well-worth reading. Soludo b1tchslapped Aganga.

I'd really like to see Aganga's response, if any, to this article.

Let's have the debate![/quote]I really cannot wait to read Aganga's response. For once I want to know if he has been overrated all along.

But meennn! that was a Prof given some lectures there. Very interesting piece to read.

^ What is silly to you is a virtue to another, but then you are entitled to your opinions and principles. Suit yourself.

^ I agree with you, democracy sucks. I will prefer a system where only proven intelligent people are allowed to vote, take decisions and lead.

But until we get a better system in place, you have no choice but to get your arse suck by it, or you might want to relocate where they practice autocracy.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7635822#msg7635822 date=1296423130]@OAM4J

he was trying to get the Ugandan govt to drop the proposed bill to criminalize homosexuals with jail or death sentence. get your facts straight. how can you practice your sexual orientation privately when you are being harassed at every turn?

and your comment about the west is meaningless because the homophobic bill was created by the ugandan govt in collaboration with American evangelicals. so the west is also implicated in the anti-gay movement in Uganda.
it was a huge controversy late 2009/early 2010.

and homosexuality is definitely NOT alien to Africa. let's not use our anti-west sentiments (ironic that some of it is coming from people who fled their african countries to the west lol) to blind us into depriving our citizens of their human rights.[/quote][quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7636589#msg7636589 date=1296434357]@katsumoto,
I agree that majority rules but I also believes that minorities have their rights (to live, not to be jailed for being gay etc)
ie majority rule, minority rights.

Just because 70% of a population agree that gays should be executed (whether because they have been feed propaganda, religion etc) doesn't mean gays don't deserve rights.
this is where the parallel with civil rights for blacks come in. I'm sure majority of whites didn't support blacks getting education during the brown vs board of education ruling. The federal govt had to send in troops to protect the black students from being mobbed by the general public.

so do you say that because the majority of whites didn't want blacks to share schooling, water fountains, buses etc. they should be refused these rights? and the govt shouldn't protect minorities?[/quote]Jenifa, there are many laws where i live that I disagree with, but unfortunately there is nothing I can do to change it if majority of the people in this place want those laws. If i break those laws because I and few people believe those laws were ill informed or came out of some propaganda or something else, we will be breaking them at the risk of due punishment set  by the majority for breaking such laws.

Majority of Ugandans have a right to determine what they want and what they do not want in their county. It does not matter if they chose to listen to some evangelist or not, after all there are many pro-gay people/media all over the places.  If majority of Ugandans are more convinced by the arguments of those 3 white men, then so be it. This is what democracy is all about. Majority carry the vote.

Unfortunately Sweetheart, in democracy it is winner takes all, the minority have no right whatsoever to do anything contrary to what the majority want, except you want to redefine democracy. It does not matter whether the majority were misguided by propagandists or religionists or whomsoever, it  still doesn't change the rule. So those minority that want to go against the rule set by the majority will do so at their own risk.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7635736#msg7635736 date=1296422032]^the guy was ugandan.[/quote]He was living in the west for a while, turned gay and went back to Uganda as  a gay rights activist, not just to practice his homosexuality quietly, but to champion a course for them and make Ugandans accept a way of life that is alien to them.

Katsumoto:
There is a lot of speculation about his death. The police reported that his death is unconnected with his advocacy. That being said, even if it were, his murder would be wrong on all levels. But you have to say that it does not make sense to campaign for something that is not accepted by a people.

I believe that every man/woman has the right to partake in consensual sex with other consenting adults.

The problem with homosexuals is that they are always seeking rights; always campaigning when it is obvious that there would be no need to campaign for something if it were generally acceptable to a MAJORITY.

Should gays be campaigning to serve as priests? Hell No

Should gays be campaigning to adopt children when they are naturally precluded from having kids? Hell No

Should gays be campaigning for homosexuality to be included in school's curriculum? Hell No.

Should gays be allowed to marry in Churches? No but if Americans and Europeans want to give them a right to marry in civic centres, that is fine as long as some doofus is not campaigning for it in Africa.

This is the problem I have with gays; why not just treat your perversion like the rest of us do? Do it in private

Also, that homosexuality is accepted in liberal Europe does not mean it should be accepted in conservative Africa. We have enough issues to deal with in Africa than to be wasting time and resources debating with homosexuals.

Exactly! I agree with you 100%.

Practice your debased act in private and dont come to a place like Africa and start preaching gay rights, else, you risks being lynched by the extremist in African society who has zero tolerance for it.

Its painful he was murdered, hope the police get to the root of the matter and fish out his killers. Who knows, may be he was killed by one of his jealous lovers.

@Sefago

Am still waiting for the conclusion of your opinion on the basics. So far, we both can agree that scientific theory on  genetics/inheritance is inconclusive.

hence we are only left with its morality. Now, how do you proceed to answer your 2nd basic " 2. If so how much should we tolerate it in society (The Moralist and Ethicist)"

Sagamite:
Don't try it.

All the things you listed, I am pretty sure, are generally accepted and consistently proven or observed.

Kissing in birds? 

Wow! Which birds? They have lips?

Please show me the videos of the anal penetration.

. . . . . . .and the FrenchIjesha kissing of the birds if possible.

I don't think it occurs in nature in the context that an animal is gay.

Question what you are fed.

Meenn! i just checked you tube and found this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RlTAyNI8WE

Dont know its authenticity though.

eldee:
So you did your research to disprove the research of biologists??
Because I don't get why information that's now as generally accepted as this is not 'robust' enough for you.

You might as well go on from here to argue that there is no solid evidence of biological succession, animal inbreeding and evolution.

The question is " Where are those biologists' reports that show animals with homosexuality tendency? I want to read it too.

SEFAGO:
Oh boy. Ok, you used the word "freely." You have qualified freedom in the context of choice. The woman's ability to choose between a yes and no assuming she has freewill. But do women in patriachial society have freewill? Tensor has consistently claimed that I have been affected by the media (I dont watch TV neither do I own a TV or even bother reading newspapers). However, he is correct in the fact that media manipulates our freewill. So what about a woman born in a society that is strongly patriarchal? Can you argue that she makes informed consent to engage in polygamy? If she has grown up hearing and seeing that polygamy is good, do you think she can make a free choice?

It follows on questions of autonomy-Is a polygamous woman born in a society that encourages polygamy making a truly autonomous decision? Would she if she was not influenced by societal pressures be making that choice in another context? These questions have to come into play when deciding if polygamy is itself good for women.

You have not shown a clear example of choice. What you have shown me is a woman no different than a man born in the glorious days of rome. Such an individual, those boy-lovers in rome would agree that there is nothing wrong with homo-sex/uality or pedophilia based on social conditioning.

I agree with you that family and societal pressures can affect anyone's freewill to make a well informed choice. But in today's world I doubt it has any influence on people still going into polygamy.

You need to research more on why some are still going into polygamy. IMO it has nothing or very little to do with family or societal pressure. And I also think their decision is now more autonomous than before.

I am not an advocate of polygamy, but i know that polygamy has its advantages too and in situation where the parties involve can overcome the vices (jealousy, selfishness etc) it might just work perfectly for them.

This begs the question- can we examine ethics outside the context of social conditioning itself. Or should we attempt build a framework to determine our morals based on a non-subjective perception if that is at all possible.

I believe ethics and morality should be totally objective. It should be embracing but also critical. I do not believe though that my own opinons supersede that of others.

As much as we want to criticize the ethics and morality of a people, we need to understand that this will only change in the light of superior reasoning and acceptably of that reasoning by the MAJORITY of the people concerned.

And as far as homosexuality is concerned, all the explanation for its acceptance, to me, is lame at its best. Still cant find a sufficient justification for its acceptance.

SEFAGO:
I dont speak Yoruba fluently, I so hate the fact I cannot do that  

Anyways lets go back to the debate joor, there is no new anime for me to watch sef. I was going to watch "bristol is the best school in the world and trumps harvard and yale hosted by sagamite"

Ok, could you bring your quote again about polygamy. I like you a bit so I would debate with you since you are very civil even though I havent been. I dont want to debate with a bristol graduate who goes around on nairaland calling everyone a m/o/ron.

However you must be able to flow with me? Have you ever taken philosophy? Do you know anything about autonomy and choice? If you dont it might be difficult to debate and I might get a bit rude.

Philosophy ko, sociology ni. Answer the questions jor.

OAM4J:
You still haven't proved how women are forced into polygamy even in "patriarchial societies". Someone put a gun into their heads, tied or locked them in their polygamous home or what? As we type, some women are about to freely move in as 2nd wives.

2ndly, it is not about patriarchal or modern societies, every society has a right to choose what is normal or abnormal to them. My point is; just as polygamy looks disgusting to your 'modern society' same way is homosexuality to majority of Africans. And we can go on forever to prove who is right or wrong.

If I try polygamy in some part of your modern society, my backside will go to jail, so I wont do it even if i want else I will relocate to where such lifestyle is legal and accepted. Same way, no one should cry blue murder if they find their backside in jail for practicing homosexuality in many parts of Africa. And it is wrong to force African to accept a way of life that is alien to them and their beliefs just because some few peeps think they have a right to such life, just as it is also wrong for few peep that believe in polygamy in your modern society to force it on the entire society.

redsun:
You guys don't know fuc-k all about what is happening to the world population control,it is out of control,the world population is overrunning out of the world resources and anything that will stop it form mutilating is high welcomed,being gay is part of it.

So Homosexuality is now the answer to population control?

SEFAGO:
Alapuro oshi.

Which Yoruba accent is that? Standard Yoruba is 'Opuro oshi' or 'Olopuro oshi'

SEFAGO:
Lets go back to the debate OAMJ4

Laughter is good for us now. Like our Baba agba prayed, may God not remove laughter from us. . . So we go dey continue to laugh. Se Amin!

OK let's go back to the debate, cos the Bristol/Georgetown ranking stuff is not cutting it for you.

You are are yet t answer my questions here

OAM4J:
You still haven't proved how women are forced into polygamy even in "patriarchial societies". Someone put a gun into their heads, tied or locked them in their polygamous home or what? As we type, some women are about to freely move in as 2nd wives.

2ndly, it is not about patriarchal or modern societies, every society has a right to choose what is normal or abnormal to them. My point is; just as polygamy looks disgusting to your 'modern society' same way is homosexuality to majority of Africans. And we can go on forever to prove who is right or wrong.

If I try polygamy in some part of your modern society, my backside will go to jail, so I wont do it even if i want else I will relocate to where such lifestyle is legal and accepted. Same way, no one should cry blue murder if they find their backside in jail for practicing homosexuality in many parts of Africa. And it is wrong to force African to accept a way of life that is alien to them and their beliefs just because some few peeps think they have a right to such life, just as it is also wrong for few peep that believe in polygamy in your modern society to force it on the entire society.

Sagamite:

I guess Prof is consulting Googles and hasn't come across a ranking that places Georgetown above Bristol

SEFAGO:
HAHA

Tell that to Harvard Yale Princeton Stanford mit. Speak not of what you know not. You think those schools accepted someone for graudate school who would never cut Leeds and Newcastle. Man you must be dumb as a screw. Thats what you get for going to a school ranked in the 30s in the Guardian. No wonder you hate that ranking sef.

Come on dont waste time. Of course you will be impressed by Bristol. Unilag graduates are impressed by unilag.

U WISSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

HAHAHAAHAHAH

Anyone can make claims online. Do you want me to give the department you graduated from too, and the year?

Why are you ashamed of your undergrad?

The i/d/i/o/ts in my high school went to bristol LOL

Newcastle ko, Leeds ni. S/hi/t Universities, your peers

Maybe you met some of them. They would never survive Unilag sef. Next time I hear you insulting a Nigerian graduate, ii will just carefully remind you that you went to Bristol.

So where is Bristol again? http://ivyplussociety.org/about.html

They did not make the social or academic cut.

Go and cry  

Prof, what is on that link you posted? Top Universities ranking?

SEFAGO:
OAMJ

Reread my comment, in a "patriachial society"

Use some critical thinking. I gave you a hint. Social conditioning.

Ok, I can go back to laughing

LOL

You still haven't proved how women are forced into polygamy even in "patriarchial societies". Someone put a gun into their heads, tied or locked them in their polygamous home or what? As we type, some women are about to freely move in as 2nd wives.

2ndly, it is not about patriarchal or modern societies, every society has a right to choose what is normal or abnormal to them. My point is; just as polygamy looks disgusting to your 'modern society' same way is homosexuality to majority of Africans. And we can go on forever to prove who is right or wrong.

If I try polygamy in some part of your modern society, my ass will go to jail, so I wont do it even if i want else I will relocate to where such lifestyle is legal and accepted. Same way, no one should cry blue murder if they find their ass in jail for practicing homosexuality in many parts of Africa. And it is wrong to force African to accept a way of life that is alien to them and their beliefs just because some few peeps think they have a right to such life, just as it is also wrong for few peep that believe in polygamy in your modern society to force it on the entire society.

SEFAGO:
Did you just make the claim that polygamy is not forced? Are you for real? In patriarchial societies, you think polygamy is not forced? Really please show me one example where a post-modern woman has opted for polygamy  

U probably went to University of Bristol too. How did it feel going to an Ivy-One of the bonafides best universities in the world  

And there we go again, and again, then again. Mediocre graduate from the system of a mediocre country  .  SO thats what gives you so much swagger. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

S/h/i/t man I gotta do it again HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I might as well get insulted by a Unilag Student.

Indirect attacks will not be allowed. Indirect attacks will be dealt with accordingly. Let me b e and I will let you be.

You might need to open a thread in romance section or check a recent topic on polygamy from that section, it will amaze you how many females posted there that they wouldn't mind being part of polygamy.

You might need to visit Nigeria/Africa more frequently, am still reluctant in admitting you've been brainwashed.

Obiagu1:
Who amongst our 3 last elected leaders is more qualified than Soludo? Is it OBJ, Yar'dua or GEJ?
No, a qualified Igbo has to be christ himself to be qualified enough to lead Nigeria.

Thanks to obj that saw something good in him, otherwise i doubt anyone will be talking about him. Agreed the guy is good, but the Ndigbos see nothing much in him. Though I still have some respect for the guys's intelligence.

If the Ndigbos think he is not good enough to be governor of a state, why would the rest Nigerians accept him for any bigger role?

Charity they say should start at home. Nidigbo must 1st learn to appreciate their own, then others will follow. Others cant love you more than you love yourselves. Think about that!

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=595135.msg7629439#msg7629439 date=1296329710]You are only showing Abuja and the posh areas of Lagos. Show all of Nigeria!  [/quote]No, no, no, NO

You are already showing the bad part, keep doing that, let her also keep showing us the good part, that is what is called Balanced Picture.

Oya, make una continue!  

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=593966.msg7629223#msg7629223 date=1296327864]I'm going to start my own anti-polygamy campaign soon enough  [/quote]

SEFAGO:
Go girl. I am also anti-polygamous. Its sexist and demeaning to women. But how do you expect these ignorant, socially programmed i/d/iots to think outside the box.

lol   Very funny! You have no problem with homosexuals, but you want to start an anti-polygamy crusade.

As if polygamy is forced down the throat of those involve in it and it is not a relationship between consenting adults.  

eldee:
Let's start from, the unqualified right to life.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=593966.msg7629223#msg7629223 date=1296327864]Do you know what gay right entails?
It entails people who claim to be homophobic/ non-homophobic to leave them alone. They cant practice their sexuality because people wont let them freely practice what they want without public scrutiny.So yes, you ALL need to be force to hear them.[/quote]I have no problem with that. I dont also have any problem with their right to association, sexual orientation and faith/beliefs.

But they have no right to force their beliefs on me. And they dont need me to accept them/beliefs to live.

@Ileke, I dont need to hear them cos am sure they also dont give a damm on what i have to say about my beliefs.

Let us not forget that it is still an illegal act in many parts of Africa, so they should take their act to where it is legal until majority of African countries accept it as a legal act.

I am not homophobic, I have no problem with anyone living his/her life  the way he/she wants in as much as it doesn't affects/changes me. I also dont support the killing of gays and I think the killers should be made to face the law.

That being said,  My concern is where do these gay rights start or end?

Gays have a right to do whatever do they want to do with their life and body, they can believe whatever they want including their claims that they were born like that and their gods are gays as well. But it should ends there. Any attempt to force their beliefs on other is wrong, cos I also have a right to my beliefs that homosexualism is bad, unnatural and a product of debased minds and no gay has any right to force me against my beliefs.

If it just about live and let live, no problem but if it's more than that, then am totally against it.

Consequently, if majority of Africans say NO to homosexualism and labelled it as illegal in in their law-book, then so be it, until majority of that community is able to legalize it, or is that not what democracy is all about? As I argued in one of those gay threads, can African force the west to accept polygamy as a norm and put it as a legal act in their law-book? after all it is a relationship among consenting adults.

juman:
Cancellation of the power projects was majorly the fault of former president, Obasanjo. He brought in a man (Yar'adua) that didn't believe in his view and vision for the country.

I vividly remember that that time it was only El Rufai that defended the actions of Obasanjo on the power project. El Rufai explain extensively why Obasanjo gave big percentage of project money to the contactors.
Obasanjo supposed to bring in (make president) a man that was involved in his decision making during his time as the president. So that was the problem.

All I can say is that people change. I think Yaras-mugu changed to his own detriment.

I was in Lagos during Yara-sickler's campaign, I remember when he came to Lagos to campaign, at a dinner meeting with top CEOs, he Yara-dunce promised to continue on obj policies, he particularly listed the NIP projects, the railway modernization project, the economic reforms etc and promised to retain the key ministers in obj cabinet for that purpose (I guess that was why obj left the ministers till his last days in office), this statement drew a lot of applause from those CEOs at that meeting.

But as soon as Yaradead won the election came to power, he stop listening to the likes of El Rufai who drafted his Inaugural Speech (one of the best inaugural speeches) and started listening to the likes of Thief Ibori, Abba Ruma & co. He went back on his words, cancelled most of the key projects of obj, sent us back 8 years and ended up more of a curse than blessing to Nigeria. Obj was a thief, but we were making some progress, But Yara-dead, his wife and men were bigger thiefs and Nigeria moved backward in his days- thanks to wikileaks and imagine ECA of over $20B went down to $5B in less than 2 years with nothing to show for it. Yes am still embittered by his actions.

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=580012.msg7624725#msg7624725 date=1296261727]^^yup.

if your parents dont approve of me, i'd need to find out the reason.[/quote]Shouldn't we approve and explore each other wella 1st, before parents/family come in?

queensmith:
the woman is just exceptionally silly, in this day and age- women like this piss me off to the core!

your confusing love with something else, but lets not get into that. Only you know how you felt

6 months is waay to short to be pouring your money on anybody, especially if its in the hope youll get something back in return

women with more money than sense kmt

I guess you are the confused one here.

Do you know what the OP and her guy felt for each other? And what money is she pouring on somebody?

The money is a loan not a gift, and yes I agree she should not lend more than she can afford, but there is nothing wrong lending money to that gf or bf you claim to love and trust.

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=594268.msg7623205#msg7623205 date=1296243228]And that's what money can solve nowadays. The only reason why GEJ won the primaries was due to the massive out-bribery of the delegates than Atiku's bribery attempts. Everyone's after their own pocket now in 9ja. Even in the north, the political unity and cohesion that they're known for, has disappeared. If the power of incumbency which is GEJ, decide on an Igbo presido in 2015 then, it'll happen by, . . . . you guessed it right, the POWERS OF RIGGING.[/quote]If it is all about money, I can bet you that an igbo man will be president already. It's more than that.

Yes Joeboy was lucky. If Yarasick had not die and him becoming a sitting president and having the power of incumbency, he wouldn't have been able to smell the presidency in 100yrs. But there are many other SS hopeful that can, besides, any SS candidate has the advantage of coming from the region that produce about 80% of the federal income, so the rest of the nation will have to deal with them carefully, but this cannot be said about an Ndigbo.

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=580012.msg7617815#msg7617815 date=1296177473]btw six months is a rather short period.[/quote]if it is the other way round, will 6 months be a short period for her to start 'shopping' the guy's money?

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=580012.msg7617815#msg7617815 date=1296177473]have you met any of his family members, etc etc.[/quote]Tpia, dont tell me if you are my gf, I will need to 1st meet your parent and you meet mine, possibly sign an intent to marry before we can share what we have.

dayokanu:
Who is Odein Ajumogbia

The current Foreign Affairs minister

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Born Lagos, Nigeria, admitted to Nigerian Bar July 1979, admitted to the inner bar in 2003 as senior advocate of Nigeria; Education: University of Lagos [LL.B Honours, June 1978]; Faculty Prize for best results in final degree examination. Prizes for best over-all performance and subject prizes in first and second year examinations; Federal Government of Nigeria Merit Award for academic performance at the University of Lagos 1975 - 1976; Participant in the final rounds of the Phillip C. Jessup International Moot Court competition Washington D.C. April 1978; Harvard Law School, Cambridge Massachusetts [LL.M 1988]; Fellow of the Chartered Institute of Arbitrators FCI Arb. (London) 1996. Member, ICC International Court of Arbitration in Paris, 2000; Work: Assistant Lecturer, Department of Commercial & Industrial Law, Faculty of Law, University of Lagos 1979 - 1980; Fred Egbe & Co; Solicitors 1980 - 1983; Nigerian LNG Consultants 1983; Partner, Ajumogobia & Okeke since 1984; Member: Nigerian Bar Association; Nigerian Society of International Law; International Bar Association; American Society of International Law. American Bar Association

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=594268.msg7623099#msg7623099 date=1296242106]There's nothing like "winning" elections in Nigeria or that Obasanjo won this or that. Elections are RIGGED in 9ja and so if an Igbo candidate is presented by PDP then its a win by, the Laws of Rigging.[/quote]Agreed, but you still have to agree with me that you need to be trusted and accepted by more than half of Nigerian states for you to be able to rig or win successfully

Kobojunkie:
@Poster, Considering the current stock of Ibo leaders, I don't believe we have anyone I will be willing to vote for. Note: for an Ibo to win the presidency, he/she would need to convince much of Nigeria of his stock, and I don't see anyone who comes close today.

Truth be told, unlike other ethnic groups that can just put forward a below average candidate like obj, Yarasickler, Joeboy etc and still win elections, Igbo people will need to present a leader/candidate that can earn the trust/respect of many other ethnic groups in Nigeria, in other to win the presidency and so far such candidates/leaders are scarce.

But I still have much respect for Okonjo Iweala (though I doubt the ability of other Igbo  leaders to rally behind her). I used to like Soludo and Akinyuli, but recently they have scored themselves low in my book.


Is Odein Ajumogobia an Ndigbo? I taught he is from SS, Rivers State ( I respect the man. His profile is very impressive)

Princek12:
With that being said, given the tenure of OBJ's regime and the amount he spent on the power project, that is, 8 yrs and $16B respectively, are you guys saying that OBJ could not generate 188MGW given the time and money expended?

So, some people still carry the news that obj spent $16B on NIP projects? When some have lost their jobs and reputation for spreading such baseless allegation.

wandyvirus:
OBJ did not spend $16bn.That was the total budget for the NIPP projects.20% of that was paid to contractors shortly before OBJ left the scene.Yaradua came and reversed all of that.The Elumelu chap in the House and his counter-thieves in the senate played on the intelligence of Nigeria's by hyping the TOTAL amount of the project which was to span three years as if that was what was spent in the last 8 months of OBJ's presidency. If Yaradua  had not listened to the likes of Turia and the former AG under Yaradua (whose name i have vowed never to call or write again) we will be well on our way out of darkness now.
GEJ just returned to the OBJ IPP script and we are already seeing the results. I have had constant electricity in the last 3 weeks and it can only get better.
Please let us open our eyes and speak the truth.the monies for the IPP that was not disbursed is still with the CBN.The contractors came out with prove  that shows that the Yaradua govt frustrated them. have we forgotten so soon how the "panel" will visit sites late in the evening and show us on AIT that the contractors are not working.Have we forgotten that the contractors asked that they help the Govt construct a particular bridge(i can't remember which now) so that they can transport the heavy turbines that is needed for the IPP to work and the Govt refused? Can we recall the fact that most of the equipment suffered demurrage    at the ports during the former AG's rule? Lets not give in to slanderers who now turned around ad asked the contractors for bribes. The IPP is on course now and we can all see the results.If you are in Lagos have you noticed the small transformer per four or five houses?

Please tell them o. That Yarasick-clueless also cancelled the railway project which by now would have brought much relief to our transportation system.

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Hopefully by 2020 we will get to 10,000MW

BTW, Why were they asking him not to resign?

Kobojunkie:
You are probably right but if you read the start of the post, it is that he is asking for the amount. Also, I wonder how valid Jega's claims of 4.3 million registered per day really are. Considering the hiccups reported and the fact that some were not even required to provide valid ID to register, I wonder if much of what we will get, at the end of this exercise will be different from the old.

exactly!

Already am seeing this country spending another tens/hundreds of billions as soon as another INEC chairman is appointed on the same excuse that Jega's voter registration is not credible.

I wonder when we will get it right.