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Soon, I expect lots of Christians bearing Bayo to start changing their names to Bashir and from Emeka to Kazim

fstranger6:
I dont know mehn

I am still confused

Working on some leads though, Jenifa being one of them

You are right, I need to coolu temper a lil bit!

Anyway, I was just pulling your legs, i knew you did not report men

Real guys dont do such thing.  How is Sagamite? Fisting today? I had a good time with SEFAGO earlier today.

Too many enemies is not good for your blood. Take it easy kid, (You know am old enough to call you that, dont you?)

BTW, where did u get that info from? I can only link part of the info to 1 of my old email add I rarely use. False info though.

fstranger6:
America will defeat Nigeria in 20 seconds,if the sole aim was just to defeat Nigeria

hey! didn't hear from u again. I see you've been blowing fire as usual. I think you need a girl constantly by you side, should be getting laid like every 4hr, so you learn to take things cool.

Anyway, what happened? which of your enemies reported you?

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7672161#msg7672161 date=1296915969]Nothing wrong with 40.  That's a good age. 

Actually, if true, your coolness factor just went into the stratosphere.*   

*Okay.  Not really. [/quote]lol I know nothing is wrong with 30 or 40 or 80 or any other figure, it's just a number

And my coolness got nothing to do with any number, been cool like that since 1931

Bluetooth started the guessing game yesterday from 50 and now fstranger is reducing it to 40

Hope you worth the prize sha, cos all these is cos of you, they are just looking for ways to disqualify me


[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=590933.msg7672284#msg7672284 date=1296917666]Hey, they didn't give you a reason?  Well, you-know-who was going to report you , and she told you to your "face."  Nothing underhanded there, if so.

They have to give a reason, right?  Oh, well, you know how this goes better than I.  I'm sure you can still post with your other monikers.  [/quote]He thought am responsible for the ban cos he knows Mukina2 (supermoderator) is my babe (1st wife)

Spikycylinder (another moderator) is my second wife and Jennykadry (my 3rd wife) is Seun (admin)'s ex, and Seun still does everything she wants

You are going to be my 4th wife here, dont worry you'll be the last , just got to stop with you cos my energy level is no longer as it was when Nigeria got independence. 

Were you not giving any reason for the ban?

Looks like you have many enemies, but am not one of them. OK

fstranger6:
To the mods

So why did they ban me?

Believe me honestly, I dont know.

If I felt threatened by anything you posted, i would have asked you nicely to delete it.

fstranger6:
You reported me

And now they banned me!

So I was right?

I did no such thing. Report you for what? to who?

fstranger1:
ok. Have a nice weekend!

I know you got something, but what you got is not real. Am not that careless with my vital/real information online.

Am sure you know that name cannot be a real name, so is whatever information you got with it.

Now, tell me, where did you get those information?

fstranger1:
Do you want to know how I found out or you want to continue denying?

Believe me, You've got nothing REAL on me.

fstranger1:
DOnt let me dig futher?

You are faaaaaarrrrrr from the truth

My profile says 80 

fstranger1:
Okay, I understand!

Now I know the truth

You must be shocked

Dont you want to know how I found out?

Scary ehn?

Are you kidding me?

My profile says 80

^^^ My profile says 80

fstranger1:
80 divided by 2
4 x J  (10th alphabet)

What else is new?

Nice try.

Why do you have to divide 80  by 2 and not by 3 or 4 or 5?

I have been OAM4J on this site since 2009, that means if it is 4 x J, then I should have been 40 in 2009 . . . Try again.

My Profile says 80, which means before Obj, I was.  

fstranger1:
^^^^Are you really 40?

40? hahahaha lol Where did you get that from?

My profile says 80

OAM4J

You Are a Prophet Soul

You are a gentle soul, with good intentions toward everyone.
Selfless and kind, you have great faith in people.
Sometimes this faith can lead to disappointment in the long run.
No matter what, you deal with everything in a calm and balanced way.

You are a good interpreter, very sensitive, intuitive, caring, and gentle.
Concerned about the world, you are good at predicting people's feelings.
A seeker of wisdom, you are a life long learner looking for purpose and meaning.
You are a great thinker and communicator, but not necessarily a doer.

Souls you are most compatible with: Bright Star Soul and Dreaming Soul

. . . interesting

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670528#msg7670528 date=1296893398]darn u're fast. i modified my post immediately after I posted it.
re-read that sentence.[/quote]OK.

well, I apologize if I misinterpreted your post then.
To answer your question, I don't agree with sharia at all. I already mentioned how it is set up so that women have harsher punishments than men in the first place. talkless of christians living in those societies. I myself am guilty of wondering why christians living up north don't leave the place.lol but I definitely will not support any killings or oppression.
I can only condemn laws or systems put in place to oppress a group but I'm not there and can't do anything about it. I also mentioned the point about passive vs active citizenry. that's one way minority groups can fight for their rights. today we look to ghandi or MLK as examples of civil rights leaders that mobilize people to fight for themselves.
I just feel saddened by all the homophobic slurs on here. you may not agree with homosexuality but why wish them death etc?

for the "intelligent people" argument,
values is a different matter. there is no objectivity to it and there can never be. you are looking at things in terms of black and white which is not the right way to look at things. ex. even the most illiterate or most racist farmer also needs his rights protected (i'm definitely not equating illiteracy with racism. pls don't misinterpret).Even my arguments on here may seem a bit exaggerated but it is to balance it against your own views and especially sagamite's which i think is really extreme.

I understand that laws are sometimes influenced by trends already occurring in society.
If I were a policy maker for example, I would work on how to build tolerance in the society first. because as far as i'm concerned, open homosexuality is here to stay. we might as well adapt to it before too many regrets in the future.
i'm sure you don't agree with that. lol but I do understand where you are coming from better now.

IMO, I dont think a lot (majority) of people in Africa wish them dead. We just dont accept their way of life as normal and we dont want to be forced to accept it as normal. We'll prefer them do it somewhere else out of Africa.

Even though we now agree on some points, I still dont believe that you are not gay. I gave you 2 options to convince me you are not, so make a choice.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=593966.msg7670490#msg7670490 date=1296892749]Exactly, that is the risk you take everyday you act as an human being, even your natural and moral right to breathe can be challenged.

IMO, The difficult job comes when we need to balance one party's moral right vs another and still maintain some sanity in the polity.[/quote]Very, Very difficult and complex. That is why I think it is better for people who share the same belief/morality and other things to stay together.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670380#msg7670380 date=1296890684]I think you misinterpret my post. I mean that I understand your way of thinking. ex. I got these points from your comment:
1. you assume yourself to be a genius
2. you think only geniuses should have a right to vote. hence you are superior (i.e make better decisions)
3. basically, all men are not created equal/ some are inherently superior to others

your argument to me then stem not from a belief in majority rule but from your ideas of superiority.

let me ask you two questions: do you agree with these ideas below and why or why not?
  We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_men_are_created_equal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citizen

not that it doesn't say "majority men." it says "ALL men"
and the same declaration has been used to fight for suffrage and rights for women, blacks and other minority or vulnerable population in the US
It was the basis for the French revolution as well.

so it's not about accepting homosexuality as a decent way of life. or accepting morons as your equal (in terms of skill etc) or even accepting islam or hinduism as a decent religion. or accepting albinos or jews as decent human beings.or accepting women as having equal level of intelligence.
it's more about accepting them as human beings with the same alienable rights all people have in common.[/quote]No, you got me TOTALLY wrong. Part of what I wrote there if you read it well, partly support your claim that majority can be wrong, cos right or wrong, fair and unfair are mostly determined base on the interests and beliefs of majority, and I gave an example of Sharia to mostly Islamic people. Then I asked the question "Who then determines what is wrong or right?" It was in that light I think it makes sense if those who determine wrong and rights are intelligent people who look at issues objectively out merits rather than out sentiments or popularity.

Hope you understand my point.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670389#msg7670389 date=1296890808]well, the Ugandan government did propose a bill to jail and kill gays. that was what david kato was killed over.
your last statement makes the similarity even stronger. because jews were deported to concentration camps.

i'm not gay by the way. but I believe in equality. I don't think i deserve more rights than gays just by virtue of my sexual orientation.[/quote]Even when the facts of the story is staring at you,you are still holding on to your conjectures. Well in case you dont know, he was killed by his exploited lover/partner.

And Uganda government was not proposing any law to kill any gay. Sending gays out Africa to the West is not same as Hitler sending Jews to concentration camps.

BTW, I dont believe you are not gay, only a video of you doing it properly or a weekend with me will convice me.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670314#msg7670314 date=1296889604]most germans did not. Hitler was very popular in his country. he rose to power mainly because of public support!! remember also that germany lost the world war and were looking for scapegoats. minority population are always targets for stuff like that.
even the US was "neutral" for a while and many who condemned it didn't do anything until the worst had already happened.[/quote]OK since you wanna continue with this your Nazi-Jew thingy.

How does this story affect/correlate to homosexuality? Are you afraid that the heterosexuals will gather all you gays together and kill you, same way Hitler killed the Jews?

Dont worry, that is not our intension, the plan is to get all homos to leave Africa, so that they will not start 'oppressing' us under the guise of gay rights. Simple!

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670226#msg7670226 date=1296887939]OAM4J
what an insight
you know, now i'm starting to understand the way you,sagamite and tensor think. lol[/quote]Am glad you starting to get it. Finally.

Long and short of it is that, We (the majority of Africans) will NEVER accept homosexuality as a decent way of life, NEVER, gay rights or not, tell that to all your folks.

fstranger1:
You see some sense in Sagmite's POV?

What else about Sagamite do you like? his di-ck? what about his arse?

hahahahaha lol

cos you dont like him, no one should share his POV? C'mon quit it, it's childish.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670144#msg7670144 date=1296885965]so if the ugangan government decides to propose a law to jail and execute all gays and the gays rise up in protest against this proposed law, the majority are being oppressed? please explain further what you mean.[/quote]No, if the majority of Ugandans are being forced to accept homosexuality as normal way of life against their belief/morals and such acceptance is forced down the throats of their children under the guise of 'minority rights', then the majority is being 'oppressed'.

then you don't know the content of german laws in 1930s and 40s.
check this out: http://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/voices/info/decrees/decrees.html

And I agree with you. The UN definitely lashed out against the Ugandan govt for proposing that anti-gay bill. but obviously the UN can only do so much. http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=33921&Cr=homosexual&Cr1

if you check out the link about german laws in the 1930s, you will see that the holocaust didn't just happen. it started with simple decrees and laws like these. ex banning jews from trade, banning Kosher practices, banning them from practicing their religion, forcing them to wear stars/mark of identification, confiscating their property (especially access to telephone, mail and other forms of communication), banning jewish children from school, secluding them to a ghetto, creating a department of racial hygiene etc all culminating in mass deportations and finally the holocaust. so it was a gradual systematic process.

the law doesn't just disallow an act. it disallows a way of life. just as the jewish way of life was disallowed. etc keep in mind Jew is NOT an ethnicity or race (if you must know that even race is a social construct). it's just a culture/way of life!! ie some people define being jewish as having at least a grandparent who practiced the religion,  some count recent converts as jewish. there are many definitions.

I said quit this your Nazi-Jew thingy. Many sane human condemned the whole thing then and now. I still maintain it is unrelated to the act of homosexuality.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=593966.msg7670113#msg7670113 date=1296885204]I understand you in principle, but unfortunately, numerical majority don't always prevail in a democracy. And it doesn't always equate to fairness.

We often think of democracy as a purely fair system but It's not perfect. Early thought leaders of America's current system grappled with the same issue: How do we practice democracy without promoting tyranny of the majority or the minority? Political scientists are still grappling with it.

Allowing the wishes of the largest Numerical group don't always mean we are fair or democratic. It's not always about numbers, else, right, wrong and justice will be at the perpetual mercy of political mob rule.(unfortunately it sometimes is)

Plurality is another concept that comes to mind in explaining this, where the side with the largest number(not necessarily overall, but in comparison to all other splintered groups) wins the vote even if their wishes represents say just 40% of the population.

If you can shed more light on how to best protect the rights of minorities in a democracy without leaving them at the mercy of the majority. I will be glad to read your thoughts. I'm really interested in what others think about this.


Disclaimer: I'm not arguing for or against any side in the gay debate, except to condemn murder.[/quote]I wish I have a golden answer to your question, but I dont. I agree with your thought, it is the same reason I didn't argue against eku_bear statement on majority determining rights and wrong.

I know it is very possible for majority to take decisions that is 'unfair' and 'wrong' to the minority. For example, a Muslims dominant community can force sharia on the minority in that community.

I might say it is 'wrong' and 'unfair' but my calling it 'unfair' and 'wrong' might be because am not a Muslim. So the question is: Who defines Rights and Wrongs?

I see some senses in sagamite signature about 'Geniocracy - Rule of the Genius' that is, if we have a well tested parameter to measure intelligence, then we should allow only the intelligent people to vote and take decisions. (of course it will be easier said than done.)

But until Political experts come up with a better alternative, democracy still remains the best form of government for now. And where the interests and beliefs of minority is not acceptable/tolerated in a particular society, the minority can disassociate themselves from the majority. For example, If I dont want to practice Sharia, then I can relocate out of Zamfara. In the case of this discussion, gays can relocate from Africa to the West, after all many of them are getting asylum already on that excuse.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670071#msg7670071 date=1296883529]
so minorities should continue to be oppressed because you feel you are entitled to the rights to oppress them?
that's not the definition of individual rights. did you take a political science or government course at all?[/quote]Depends on what you term as "oppressed" innit? or should the majority be "oppressed" instead?

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7670075#msg7670075 date=1296883624]so if nazi germany decides to exterminate all jews tomorrow. that should be allowed based on the idea of majority rules?[/quote]Quit this your Nazi-Jew thingy already. There is no law anywhere that will support that, and I told you already on this thread that it is the reason organisations like UN exists.

And stop equating a law disallowing an act because majority are against it to killing/exterminating a group/ an ethnic cause they are in minority. Doesn't follow each other.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=593966.msg7670033#msg7670033 date=1296882088]What about Dominant minorities?

IMO, it depends on how you define majority, the views and beliefs of a numerical minority can dominate policy. It may not be fair, but shyyte happens.

It's fairly common in history and politics, i.e the white minority of South Africa dominated the country and their world view was the accepted standard for centuries(still is for the most part) even though they constitute a tiny numerical fraction of the population.

Same for the dominance of European world view and ideas across our world. So, it depends on how you define majority, at least from a socio-political standpoint.

"lurking" mode  [/quote]Dominant Minority shouldn't exist in true democracy IMO. Every member of a community/group should have equal say/vote on every matter. While minority have their say, majority wins. Except democracy is no longer the rule of numerical majority.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7669967#msg7669967 date=1296879418]of course not.
what kind of majority rights are you talking about?



The term Minority Rights embodies two separate concepts: first, normal individual rights as applied to members of racial, ethnic, class, religious, linguistic or sexual minorities, and second, collective rights accorded to minority groups. The term may also apply simply to individual rights of anyone who is not part of a majority decision.

Civil rights movements often seek to ensure that individual rights are not denied on the basis of membership in a minority group.[/quote]My problem with some of these civil rights movements is that they often forget that same individual rights apply to the majority as well, and when there is a conflict they should stop crying marginalization or prejudice.

For example while the minorities are entitled to their beliefs, morals, faith etc, it shouldn't come at the expense of majority discarding/changing theirs. Like in this discussion, while gays have the right to live their life as they want, it shouldn't be at the expense of the majority heterosexuals accepting what they consider wrong as right. Like why will they want to force me and my likes to believe that their definition of marriage is superior to ours?

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=593966.msg7669889#msg7669889 date=1296875911]I don't think democracy quite means "majority can do whatever the F they like." At least, the way it is practiced in the west. Need to avoid mob rule, tyranny of the majority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority).[/quote]Though I am not a political scientist, I understand clearly that there are check and balances in democracy, but [b]ultimately [/b]the majority in a community will eventually have their way, even if it means changing their constitution.


[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7669898#msg7669898 date=1296876219]yup. I understand it as majority rule, minority rights.[/quote]Minority rights will not come at the expense of majority rights.

I am not a PDP supporter. That said, I dont know anything about giving GEJ a chance, I think he has gotten all the chances he needs already both for now and in the future.

IMHO, I don't see Jonathan loosing, I think the oppositions already gave Jonathan all the chances he needs when they refused to put their arse together.

Yeah, I think luck is truly on his side.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=593966.msg7669434#msg7669434 date=1296863373]Your position is unreasonable. When did a majority become what determines right or wrong?[/quote]Majority may not always determine what is right or wrong, but they determine what should be acceptable in a community since the practice of democracy.

Were those donations made from the purse of the government of Ekiti or from her pocket?

Ujujoan:
I nu kwa'm ni! Ify kedu ebe isi enweta akiko mu na Omo Ibo a? Otu awu la ezi ooo. O nwe kwa ghi oge anyi ji eme oyi oh. Anyi fulu onwe anyi na anya ka nwanne na nwanne      

Oginni? Translate to English or Yoruba. . . You no wan make we know abi?


@OP.

Do you know why she broke off with her ex?

Getting Married Soon List:

1. Odunnu (Date already fixed.)  Congrats in advance.

2. Ujujoan in d queue (date will be fixed, as soon as she confirms the guy's 8-10 figure - balances in his offshore accounts)

3. Who is next?


NB:

About time all the single ladies on this site have mercy on Dayokanu by finding him a girl, so he'll stop proposing to every moniker with (f) status