prolog2: oyo was a small and young kingdom which got its ass kicked. All this talk you guys are making about oyo is nothing but revisionism. oyo was never relevant and the kingdoms you are claiming were conquered by oyo were actually superior to oyo in every way. A young fulani dynasty conquered your oyo with ease. In the southern region, there was only one empire and that is Benin empire. That is why we have Bight of Benin and not "bight of oyo". That is why we have Benin bronze and not "oyo bronze". That is why Oba Ovonramwen is still famous and got exiled by the british while nobody even knows or cares about the alafin of oyo who was in office when the british conquered his land (by the way he didn't even put up a fight).
by then oyo empire had seen its good days it was a shadow of its former self what speak for the empire was its past glory and the seat of alafin was highly revered ... it was a time for the new power broker Ibadan if other yoruba had accepted the leadership of ibadan we would have restored order in ilorin chase the bad heads muslim elements out of the city across the river Niger ,even the British wouldn't have colonized us ..
prolog2: oyo was a small and young kingdom which got its ass kicked. All this talk you guys are making about oyo is nothing but revisionism. oyo was never relevant and the kingdoms you are claiming were conquered by oyo were actually superior to oyo in every way. A young fulani dynasty conquered your oyo with ease. In the southern region, there was only one empire and that is Benin empire. That is why we have Bight of Benin and not "bight of oyo". That is why we have Benin bronze and not "oyo bronze". That is why Oba Ovonramwen is still famous and got exiled by the british while nobody even knows or cares about the alafin of oyo who was in office when the british conquered his land (by the way he didn't even put up a fight).
fulani never conquer ilorin ilorin embrace islam ..ilorin is home of islam scholars for centuries before Secession of ilorin from oyo empire before the fulani ever being relevant in Yoruba history ..they wanted autonomy to practice their own religion.it wasn't fulani war it was yoruba war it was..yoruba muslim fighting Yoruba ..they wanted to break away from alafin control... ..""just a town ilorin "" .not all oyo empire .their attempt to conquered other cities was a big blow to them ..ibadan annihilated them confine them to just ilorin ..
prolog2: Yet again talking out of your yanch, which historical document are you quoting ? Don't confuse us Edo with your weakling yopruba people whom everybody can beat in a battle. There is no record of Edo losing a war in the 19th century except the one against britain. And there is no record of the Edo losing a war before the 19th century. All records are about Edo crushing their ennemies except britain.
battle with who? which war did benin kingdom win? tell us which kingdom they conquer ..oyo annexed bariba nupe allada quidah kingdom abomey fon dahomey strong kingdom that will destroy your forest drove ashanti empire expansion to togo read history ..share boundary with songhay ..go buy west Africa history book .written by scholars
BabaRamota1980: Obalufon, Whether Nigeria break or not, a third dynasty is in their futute.
If its not Olu of Edoland, it will be Pere of Edoland. This is certain.
babaramota you don kill me oo..""Pere of edoland"" if Nigeria breakup their oba throne won't be relevant anymore ijaw man go yeye the oba ibo man go trample on the throne ..without south west the throne is rubbish
we are attached to our culture and tradition....Also highly tolerant with other religion we believe in one God ...Osun day alone attract more Yoruba within and in diaspora than christian or Muslim crusade ...
gregyboy: Is my prayer nigeria dont break up if it did break up am sorry edo taking yoruba down is so easy not because of military strength of the edos but because of the weakness of of unity in yorubas ....when it happens the yorubas muslims will do well to follow the northerners it will remain the christans yorubas inside the Christan yoruba there is also disunity just for the edos to find it then whala ....yorubas will all come under the edo territory......
This simply divide and conquer this is thesame logic the britsh used for the world and it can be used for yorubas again...but it nevered worked for Ethiopians and edos after thr conquring of edo the now had to do it manually....
davidnazee: My brother don’t pray for war with the Edos.. only the ethnic Edos in Eastern Yorubaland will be a problem for the Yorubas not to talk of the entire Edo armies marching down on Yorubas.. If Nigeria breaks apart Eastern Yoruba will be war zone because we taking what is ours back..
Nigeria will breakup i will know where you will stand..ijaw alone will annihilate you na..edo might for where show me the map of your kingdom..
davidnazee: Yes they are and also Eastern Yoruba is Edo land.. anywhere there is Edo people is Edo land.
Edos youth lack knowledge your forefathers see Yorubas as their kinsmen but now you people have been ibonized successfully assimilated by the ibos..your blood is filled with hatred towards Yoruba .. Stop hating stop envying ""Enviousness.. we don't want you..and you don't speak for all edos ..
[quote author=Olu317 post=67865386]If you are so sure of all this your fairytale,tell your Edo kinsmen to go and wage war against the Eastern Yorubaland and claim the place if they will ever return back to Edo. Isn't it disgraceful for Edos, to answer Yoruba names except such probably has a Yoruba ancestry? And here you are sending trash online...[/quo
The Olowo (i.e. the traditional ruler of Owo) sent tributes to Benin annually through a resident official and the Owo people had to pay to the Oba of Benin obeisance customarily due to an oba. For instance, in most parts of the Yoruba country any hunter who killed a tiger or leopard had to give it up to his oba. In Owo, any hunter who killed either of these animals had to carry it to the Oba of Benin.’ Akintoye adds that ‘Owo was made to surrender its princes as hostages in the Benin court. Many Owo rulers therefore had Benin education and were responsible for introducing Benin culture to Owo. This is why Owo shows much stronger evidence of Benin cultural influence, especially in palace ritual and manners, than other towns in the area under study.’""
talk about ruling anambra to abia they are your kinsmen
samuk: Benin was never raided as claimed by you in fact must part of Igbo land was also under the Benin Empire. I mean must part of Igbo land from Anambra to Abia. Below is how a native of present day Abia State described his origin in 1745.
Olaudah Equiano was born in Essaka, an Igbo village in the kingdom of Benin (now Nigeria) in 1745. His father was one of the province's elders who decided disputes. According to James Walvin "Equiano described his father as a local Igbo eminence and slave owner".
In case you don't know who Olaudah Equiano was, he was the first black person to write his autobiography. Google him for more information about him.
yeah Benin ruled over human eating naked people ..savages
Olu317: Just imagine thought of a typical Edo,who is not of Bini extraction? Is Governor Godwin Obaseki; Chief of Staff, Taiwo Akerele and Special Adviser on Political Matters to the Governor an Edo name?
davidnazee: I have seen all your points u raise in arguments, you base your arguments on myths and legends.. it goes to show that you are just a fanatic but not well informed.. I don’t hate yorubas or anybody for that matter. I’m only disgusted by your level of no pride.. you claiming what is not yours just because you want to have some relevance.
Mr monkey Yoruba race is celebrated all over the world , we are pride of Africa ..who will be associated with a loser .. we don't need you people
Olu317: I agree with you totally but the problem is that IFA divination through some practioners had made a lot to loose faith in it even if people still believed in its concept. As far as I am concerned, there are no difference among some IFA practitioners, some Pastors and Alfas because they demand from people, what such cannot provide. This is the first problem of inconsistency by these diviners. And again, Nigeria will not allow Yoruba to grow and develop in the areas, you mentioned. In fact, it was God that encouraged professors such as Akinwumi Ishola (deceased), Wande Abimbola, Bade Ajuwon, and others who had written over We got about 50 items on our bibliography to make sure IFA divination became part of the UNESCO's masterpiece of the oral and intangible heritage. Today, IFA is known worldwide,when oral and intangible heritage is mentioned. In truth, Yoruba will always be better of as a nation on her own without being in Nigeria. The population is there,the productivity to excel is achievable, man power is available etc. Lastly, British didn't conquer Yorubas but Kiriji war made Britain came in as a mediator and eventually seizing power through back door. Even during their years of stay ,Yorubas were the ones that made leave Nigeria.
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davidnazee: It’s a lie jor.. stop deceiving yourself.. anyways here is research from your fellow Yoruba brother..
“The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate. No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.
Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".
Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.
Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.
Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.
By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.
Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin”
You can lie oo how could you compare Yoruba race that has a clothing culture for thousands of years smelting iron making glass with bunch of wrapper ties primitive forest people ..
By the 11th century AD, the Yoruba, ruling from the city of Ile Ife, were the leading cultural force in southern Nigeria. Their civilisation has been widely admired by many scholars. Prof Cheikh Anta Diop, for example, wrote that: "It is impossible to describe here all the riches of the civilisation of Ife. Herbert Wendt, a German science writer, was much more flattering:
"Modern ethnologists," Wendt wrote, "have found the art of the Yorubas so astonishingly high in quality that they did not [at first] ascribe it to a Negro race ... It was Leo Frobenius who first ranked the culture of the Yorubas with that of the Mediterranean ... The Yoruba Empire consisted of city states similar to those of ancient Greece. Some of these states had 150,000 or 250,000 inhabitants. Art objects of the highest quality were found in their ruins--glazed urns, tiles with pictures of animals and gods on them, bronze implements, gigantic granite figures. The Yorubas introduced the cultivation of yams, the preparation of cheese and the breeding of horses into West Africa. "They had outstanding artists in metal, gold-casters, cotton-weavers, wood-carvers and potters. Their professions formed themselves into guilds with their own laws, their children were brought up in educational camps, their public affairs were directed by a courtly aristocracy and an exuberantly expanding bureaucracy." Prof Leo Frobenius, the German scholar, was the pioneering authority on the Yoruba Civilisation. When he first encountered this culture in the early 20th century, he felt he had discovered remnants of the lost Greek civilisation of Atlantis. In addition, Frobenius identified Olukun, the Yoruba sea god, with Poseidon, the ancient Greek deity.
While this analysis is all clearly in error, another European scholar, Peter Garlake, explains why Frobenius could be forgiven for making these blunders: "The calm repose and realism of the [Yoruba] sculptures were reminiscent of Classical Greece. The pantheon of Yoruba gods, their attributes, their vivid lives and complex responsibilities echoed Mount Olympus. The architecture of the houses and palaces, where rooms opened off enclosed courtyards, open to the sky, resembled the impluvia of early Mediterranean, particularly Etruscan [ie, Roman] buildings. The Yoruba concept of the universe, their educational system, the organisation of their society and their statecraft supported a Greek connection."
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Ile-Ife was the ancient capital city of the Yorubas. Archaeological excavations showed that the site was inhabited by 600 AD. Among the first residents were farmers who cultivated yams and oil palms. "It was also clear," wrote the Africanists Roland Oliver and Brian Fagan in their book, Africa in the Iron Age, "that from the earliest times Ife had an important iron industry, and also that it engaged in the manufacture of glass. …
Benin were extremely lucky they never faced Oyo face to face in an open plain
Benin were only good in melee combat (Hand to hand, swords)
Oyo had archers and cavalry
We couldn’t conquer them due to their walls and they sat tight within their walls
They couldn’t come out
we had better sword men than them.. they were only raping small villages ...oyo had 2 dreadful northern kingdoms in control baribas borgus and nupes.. as vassal state
Benin jungle kingdom can't expand or have a military might because they haven't evolved to level to domesticate any beast of burden ife brought the first horse to them when oranmisan visited igodomigodo people ..your kingdom is in emulation of cities around western regions ..Portuguese only gave account of where they were able to get in touch with and they saw ..have read what other explorers said about hinterland of Yoruba ..we had more cities that whole of western Europe then
Moorish: There are no written accounts from any independent African and non African sources on any official tributary state of the Benin kingdom
Show me any Wikipedia or any more respected source which names any Benin tributary state
Benin people you cannot do it
Oyo had many tributary states as verified by the conquered, African and European sources
Benin in a delusion about their kingdom
you are right bro they are so delusional about their kingdom.delusional grandeur ..Hey your kingdom comes with the introduction of oba to you people still yet you people are still savages act like animals filled with hatred and jealousy.
samuk: In terms of greatness, the only place in the whole of south sahara African that was fit enough to be described as a City when the European arrived in the 15th century was Benin. Benin did not name herself a City but the Europeans did. Don't forget they visited the whole of Africa, they also name a section of the ocean running through the west coast of Africa ( the bight of Benin) after Benin for her greatness, this is where Republic of Benin took her name. Today as a reminder of Benin Empire's greatness, a huge body of international water (bight of Benin) was named after her by European cartographers, a whole country where some of the inhabitants speak Yoruba (Republic of Benin) bears her name, Republic of Benin had the options of naming herself the Republic of Oduduwa or Republic of Oyo but choose Republic of Benin instead. What about Benin arts in most major museums in the world, from Europe to America to Canada to Australia. Benin Empire was the first to exchange ambassador with a European country in the 16th century even before any of the present countries that made up the Africa continent was put together as nations by the Europeans. The lists goes on and on but I will pulse here for now and over to you to point to the independently verifiable evidence that made Oyo even a kingdom let alone great and mind you all I have written was confirmed independently by the Europeans and not some Benin Historians and these evidence can still be verified today.
they can't go up north .Portuguese traded with the coastal tribe Portuguese get to know about ife and and oyo from the coastal tribes
samuk: In terms of greatness, the only place in the whole of south sahara African that was fit enough to be described as a City when the European arrived in the 15th century was Benin. Benin did not name herself a City but the Europeans did. Don't forget they visited the whole of Africa, they also name a section of the ocean running through the west coast of Africa ( the bight of Benin) after Benin for her greatness, this is where Republic of Benin took her name. Today as a reminder of Benin Empire's greatness, a huge body of international water (bight of Benin) was named after her by European cartographers, a whole country where some of the inhabitants speak Yoruba (Republic of Benin) bears her name, Republic of Benin had the options of naming herself the Republic of Oduduwa or Republic of Oyo but choose Republic of Benin instead. What about Benin arts in most major museums in the world, from Europe to America to Canada to Australia. Benin Empire was the first to exchange ambassador with a European country in the 16th century even before any of the present countries that made up the Africa continent was put together as nations by the Europeans. The lists goes on and on but I will pulse here for now and over to you to point to the independently verifiable evidence that made Oyo even a kingdom let alone great and mind you all I have written was confirmed independently by the Europeans and not some Benin Historians and these evidence can still be verified today.
davidnazee: It’s a lie jor.. stop deceiving yourself.. anyways here is research from your fellow Yoruba brother..
“The origin of the Benin and Yoruba empires of old have come to the fore and they have been subject of intense debate. No doubt the origins of the two empires are obscure being deeply buried in legend and mythology and it is not easy to say what amount of history or the amount of embellished history they contain. In truth these traditions which on the surface try to account for the origin of these empires are perhaps little more than ideological chatters legitimizing the political systems, traditions, cultures, etc. of the people. This general position not withstanding, it is worthy of note that the Benin through their well renowned Arts and Craft recorded their history and event in addition to the account of the guild of oral recorders. The most contentious of this debate for now, however, is the Benin-Ife historical connection.
Many historians and social anthropologists especially the Yoruba historians have been greatly impressed by the tradition that the Yoruba Kingdom fathered the second Benin empire. According to Prof. A.B.Aderibigbe, "obviously there is an attempt in this story to gloss over what in fact was an alien imposition." Along the same line, Prof Michael Growder said that this tradition could be "a convenient legend to disguise what in fact was a conquest by the Oduduwa party".
Here however, the following points are worthy of note: First the Ife-Benin connection has been vigorously questioned by Prof. A.F.C. Ryder. He had pointed out that this tradition which seeks to connect Benin with Ife is suspect. He argues that throughout four centuries of contact between Benin and various European nations, in particular Portugal, there was no hint or reference to this relationship between the two empires. The tradition was not mentioned or recorded by any writer until after the British occupation of Benin in 1897. He also pointed out that the city of Ife is believed to be younger than Benin and therefore could not have fathered the second Benin Empire.
Second, according to Prof Ryder, by 1485 Benin was an impressive and large city. Judging by the evidence of European visitors, it was perhaps the largest and most impressive city which the Portuguese saw along the west coast of Africa. Recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built probably not before the first decade of the 16th century while the capital of old Oyo, Yatenga, was built much later. This would seem to show that the complex political system of the Yoruba which the Benin Kingdom is believed to have descended must have originated much later than the Benin Kingdom.
Third, much of the evidence which is believed to corroborate the claims made in the traditions comes from enthnohistory, that is, historical speculations based on assumed logical sequence of development in the political system. This is most unreliable.
By the 15th Century, the Benin Kingdom had achieved the height of its greatness. It remained the most powerful and the largest Kingdom in the forest region of West Africa until about the end of the first half of the 17 century. During these two centuries of its ascendancy Benin empire stretched as far west as Lagos, Badagry and Whyidah (Dahomey). On the north-west it stretched as far as Ekiti, Akure and Owo. Towards the north, it stretched to Ishan Country and the southern position of Idah. Finally on the east it incorporated at various times various portions of Ika-Ibo and as far as the River Niger.
Prof. Biobaku has suggested that the eastern fringe of what is now Yorubaland was in pre-Yoruba days thinly inhabited by the ancestors of the modern Benin people, a people which he called the Efa. And if recent archaeological evidence would seem to indicate that Ife was built not before the first decade of the 16th century thereby making it to be younger than Benin”
SORRY BENIN KINGDOM NOT EMPIRE .. EMPIRE OVER WHO BUNCH OF FOREST SAVAGES ..LAUGH ROLLING ON THE FLOOR
davidnazee: So Oyo is a northern tribe.. no wonder you people behave like cows.
You need to be civilized to live in arid origin. you people were caged in the forest ..when you people were busy eating yourselves we were busy building empire we were expose to other empires all over Africa as far a Mauritanian ghana mali ..yoruba.. have lot of 14 centuries or earlier script written in ajami Arabic script yoruba scholars were teaching in sankore university mali .. some of these scholars afa started ilorin that fought oyo.. ilorin was safe haven for rebellion Muslims driven out of oyo due to their religion discrimination and other atrocities then .. Ife great prince Oranmiyan went up north to set up his empire at the bank of river niger ..
Why would this tribal forest pygmies think Yoruba are cowards when we fought the most wars than any tribe in Nigeria i want to know the yard stick being used for this stereotype to think we are .cowards .This a joke and far from the truth , being civilized and i have undergone series internal wars that made us to cherish humanity and learn to coexist with our neighbors shouldn't be misconstrue as act of weakness ..we are urbanize people we've reached a level of empire and state read books written by explorers that managed to get into Yoruba hinterland,we had more cities that the whole Europe in combined we were city builders.. lot people lives among us for centuries .oyo empire have hausa bariba Nupes and other tribes in their imperial army which rose to the level of generals much like Roman empire, the first oyo empire general lisimo ""Are ona kankanfo was from portnovo ...Yoruba is a spirit not bound by language or ethnic bigotry ....Benin claim to be strong yet you were defeated and your chiefs were hung like dogs in your own land abomination no Yoruba oba or king would allow himself to be put in to such embarrassment he would rather commit suicide or die fighting ..your king was chained alike slave and jail in calabar.No yoruba king would allow himself to live to witness such inhumane and degrading situation "iku ya ju esin lo, .Yoruba king would kill himself..king must fight till death a general most fight till death that's yoruba .....1966 coup akintola was the only premier that fought till death taking lot of soldiers lives with him and wounded alot in the assault he knew they were coming for him he would have ran away but is unlike Yoruba man,,his not a bastard he is a yoruba with obvious tribal mark omo akin oo gbo'do she ojo... he armed himself and fought ganlanttly till death ...
.Counter coup..when ironsi was running with tail between his legs to, Adekunle Fajuyi house for protection when the junior officers came to kill ironsi , Adekunle Fajuyi didn't allow them to do it he insisted they have to kill him first to kill ironsi he gave his life according to military ethics no Benin or Ibo man fit do that for their fellow tribe's man not to talk of a Yoruba man.when abacha was killing everybody threaten to kill obasanjo... obasanjo was out of country he was warned globally not to come back to Nigeria that he would be killed he came home to face the death ...that is a true Yoruba man for you
gregyboy: Ha lie from pit of hell towards d 18c when all europeans rushed to Africa thars when they discovered oyo village not the kingom because kingdom don fall by then
European traded with the coastal tribes not with the north the more superior northern tribes ...The acquisition of firing arms and white explorers support led to first Dahomey revolt under oyo empire, their firing arms was very effective in scaring the horses but they were crushed my technical and more trained oyo foot soldiers they were crushed and defeated by the oyo sword men
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