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jpphilips:
45yrs? why not 5yrs?

That's when the oil will be depleted and everyone comes back to a level ground.

TonyeBarcanista:
Oga, Oil Rivers protectorate was NOT renamed to NC Protectorate, it was expanded by the British to include Carlabar/Akwa Ibom www.dcstamps.com/?p=3826

It was originally Rivers, Bayelsa(whether you agree or not) and Delta states.

Omo, I will appreciate if you don't quote me on this subject again. Like I said, if there should be dissolution, EVERY British arrangement must be dissolved without exception. Before the whole British drama ethnic nationalities were autonomous and on self-rule. The yeye British arrangement(that led to Nigeria) came and caused so much damage. In fact, every tribe should answer their fathers' name. Those that willingly want to collabo should go ahead BUT nobody can or will rely on ANY British arrangement.



Goodnight

You thought you know your history but you don't, just living on hearsays.
You dabbled into what is bigger than you now you are running away like a liar you are, caught red handed in the act.

"Bayelsa(whether you agree or not)" my ass!

Until you provide an authentic complete Oil Rivers Protectorate map or Niger Coast Protectorate map, the only map you have with full and complete borders is Protectorate of Southern Nigeria and I have it.

TonyeBarcanista:
Bayelsa was never part of Oil Rivers Protectorate? Jesus Christi...


Sometimes you guys just like unnecessary argument...


www.google.com will help a lot.....


Goodnight... BTW if there is any Briotish arrangement that must be dissolved, then it must be ALL from Oil Rivers to present day Nigeria. Ethnic nationalities that wants to do collabo will freely do so at their own volition.

Don't be blinded by motive.

The map I posted was an authentic British government map.
If you can see clearly, you'll see where Royal Niger Company boundary is.
What state is that in Nigeria?
Please answer and don't dodge it.
And that map is an 1898 map!

So when did Bayelsa become a part of Oil Rivers Protectorate?
If you know your history, you'll know that Oil Rivers Protectorate was renamed to Niger Coast Protectorate.

cc: pazienza

TonyeBarcanista:
That should be your problem NOT mine.


I have no time for unnecessary argument. Go do your research!

The map is the 1914 map, yet you claim you have your research done.

pazienza:
This is better. Atleast it shows where the coast of each protectorate were, yet no defined boundaries.

It is safe to say that the first map with defined boundaries is the 1906 one. So we work with it.

Yes, the map (1898) has incomplete borders and became complete in 1900, just 2 years after.
1900 map is the same as the 1906 before Lagos was added.

In essence, what constitutes the present day Nigeria started in 1900 with complete borders as shown below.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/799572_Countries_in_Nigeria_1900_pngae5a5c9931b6bc3903a8e6d3854bdde5

pazienza:
You map is nebulous with no clear cut boundaries.

That map is 1914 map.

TonyeBarcanista:
You should go read dude. All we are seeing is British arrangement. The whole thing sirted pre-1900. From Oil Rivers Protectorate (Delta, Rivers and Bayelsa) to Niger Coast Protectorate in 1893(RivÉrs, Delta, Bayelsa, Akwa Ibom and Cross river states) to Southern Nigeria of 1900(SS, SE and South West with exception of Lagos) to Niger-Area of 1914(the present day Nigeria). All have been artificial arrangement.
[img]www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/n/ng_orp.gif[/img]

Anyway, let me set the record straight.
You have to enlarge the 1898 map below to see the names of the protectorates.

https://www.pennymead.com/images/WINMP0454.jpg

Bayelsa State was NEVER a part of Oil Rivers Protectorate nor a part of Niger Coast Protectorate.
The 1898 map showed the formative years of Niger Coast Protectorate. When you compare the map with the 1900 map, you'll see that Niger Coast Protectorate is made up of SS and SE minus Bayelsa.

When The remaining Royal Niger Company (Bayelsa) was acquired by the British government, Niger Coast Protectorate was renamed Protectorate of Southern Nigeria in 1900.

TonyeBarcanista:
@OP even the Southern Nigeria is a British creation. Before the British arrangement of Southern Nigeria in 1900, there was Oil Rivers Protectorate that comprises the present day Rivers state, Bayelsa state and Delta state. It was established in 1884.

After that came Niger Coast Protectorate that comprises of present day Rivers, Bayelsa, Delta, Akwa Ibom and Cross river states. It was established in 1893 by the British.


Before all these arrangement every ethnic nations were autonomous. Hence, a division of Nigeria will follow similar pattern or collabo(as in the case of present day SS states).

Even the so-called Southern Province of 1900 include some South-West states except Lagos. Eastern Region and Western Region were carved from the Southern Preovince in 1939.

All these were British arrangement.

Thanks


Cc Superstar1

I don't want to go into who and who belonged to the earlier protectorates but I have to say that the British government had no complete control of the present day Nigeria until 1900 and that was when it all started.

Nigeria as we know it today started in 1900 hence why earlier protectorates have no bearing.

cc: pazienza

biafranqueen:
Great educational thread. I agree with pazienza that the North will fight for the oil. No matter how many girls you put in Biafran uniform, dress up is not the same as seeing your mate with a head blown off. If you leave them the oil, they might let us go peacefully.
As of now Biafra has not prepared for War with Britian, Nigeria and USA.

War is almost not needed for a dissolution.
If you want to secede, you have to fight but if we push for dissolution, what will the North be fighting for when we are a union?
Ukraine did not fight to leave the USSR, did they?

pazienza:
You will never get an Arewa-Oduanistani to agree to a dissolution, they are aware of what awaits them in a divided Nigeria.

As it stands, Nigeria with the crude oil wealth of Niger delta is struggling to keep the Jihadists at the North East at bay.

Imagine what will happen if Nigeria should lose control of the Niger delta oil wealth? Where will they get the funds to sustain the war going on in the NE?

Without those funds and weapons they guarante including funds to keep paying the military personnel, the war against Jihadists will fail and they ( Jihadists) will gain ground and take control of the entire North, and then through the help of the Islamic elements in Oduanistan and the disunity that will develop there, they ( jihadists) will take the entire odualand , and will be knocking on the doors of Biafra!

Nigeria dissolution means death to Arewa-Oduanistanis, don't expect them to accept that fact , but that's what it is, and it will be extremely naive to expect them to willingly sign for their own death by signing for dissolution of the Zoological republic.

If we want Biafra, we must take it, we mustn't be that naive to expect any help from Arewa-Oduanistans.

That's my take on the matter.

I believe a stronger case could be made for dissolution rather than secession.
If a case for dissolution is made, the world would be reminded that Nigeria is a union just like the UK and not some random people trying to secede.

superstar1:
I beg to differ sir.

International boundary encompasses the border of a nation with other nations and international water body. Local borders are borders of the function units of a nation within the international border.

Therefore, Asaba was included and will be re-included in Western Region again.

Stop spamming my thread and disappear!
You're dumb, bro.

superstar1:
how do you mean by being local border and not international. Which map was with UN as at 1960.

Let me help you.

Local borders include all Nigerian states borders and Nigeria Regional borders.

International borders include Nigeria border, Cameroon border, The Gambia border, Northern Nigeria border, Southern Nigeria border, Lagos border, etc.

Don't forget to thank me for the education.

superstar1:


Joker.

As at 1960 when the British were giving us independence, what did the map of Nigeria says -- Northern Western and Eastern regions.##that is the recognised international border.

Guess what, Asaba i in Western Region. Deal with it.

No bros, those borders were local borders not international borders. If you reread my original post, you'll see that Biafra tried to secede from an unknown border, the Eastern Region, you mentioned.

superstar1:
What will eventually happen is the actualisation of the northern, western and eastern regions. Guess what, Asaba will be under west.

That border is not internationally recognised if you know what I mean just like Nigerian State borders are not recognised.

superstar1:
ok now

Biafra-ud has failed to woo the SS people, you are now using another method to coerce them

Why are you afraid to stand alone as Biafra-ud or Republic of Alaigbo?

You are not clamouring for the old northern, western and eastern region because Asaba will fall under west.

We can see through your fallacy. Try harder.

This thread was initially made in 2012 before there was IPOB. It was based on my knowledge of events and history.
I bet you, this is what will happen eventually.

Knowledge of history will help us.

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Those of you pushing Edo out of Biafra should stop.
We will need their votes when the time comes.
They are a part of Biafra if you understand history and international politics.

This is the only Biafra map we have and Edo is firmly in it.

Nnamdi Kanu will understand this too with time.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/799572_Countries_in_Nigeria_1900_pngae5a5c9931b6bc3903a8e6d3854bdde5

Favparis:
This Forum has been Bugged with Biafra Biafra Biafra

That's the current politics in Nigeria.

Nice job guys.
The prime minister has received our message.

We will be heard by all the leaders of the world.

This was how the Jews all over the world started calling for a home in the middle east and their prayers was answered.

Now Biafrans are calling for a home in Africa and our prayers shall be answered too.
God is with us.

coolzeal:
We are scattered in every corners of the world just like how it was written in the scripture.

"Igbos are wandering Jews of West Africa - gifted, aggressive, westernized, and at best, envied and resented, but mostly despised by their neighbors in the Federation---" (a White House Memo on Biafra January 28, 1969 to President Nixon by Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger) (Source : U.S Foreign Relations Documents Volume 5 , 1969).

The land of the rising sun.

No give up, no surrender.
We shall overcome.

One Nigeria.

ikechu1278:
Nigg@ I'm anioma so wtf are you talking about? You deluding yourself if you think Edo controls the say of anioma. The f2k? Hell igbanke, the only anioma group in edo state are being marginalized and yet you think the rest of us want to share a nation with ppl like that. If you include Edo then best believe count anioma out.

Sorry but you lack the capacity to comprehend simple things.
Reread your reply to my post and see if you made any sense.

Good points OP.

Nigeria has so much downgraded Nigerians' brains to the extent that they don't know what's good anymore.

Just one instance: Which country in the world has power problem as bad as Nigeria? I'll need a list.

Our downgraded brains now think that 10 hours power supply is awesome.

Nigeria has failed and needs to be discarded.

Ngwaukwu1:
This is very enlightening but does complicate issues as i doubt a lot of the non Igbo speaking peoples, and especially the Edoids, will vote to go with us.

Secondly is our case not slightly different from that of the groups in Southern Cameroun, seeing there were two contending colonial masters in the mix - France and Britain?

Thirdly my understanding is that the current agitation for Biafra is trying to take advantage of the 2007 UN resolutions that apply to Indigenous peoples, which is a new area open to a lot of legal interpretations, which may favour indigenous Igbo groups West of the Niger (the Anioma). What are your thoughts on this?

Cc: pazienza.

Right now we don't know how they'll vote but I believe strongly that if they are offered a choice to remain in Nigeria or leave, that they will choose the latter.

What's also important is the percentage needed for a Yes vote to carry the day.

As for Southern Cameroon having different colonial masters, I don't think it matters much. What's important is a recognizable border.

I'll use Darfur as an example, they could not leave with South Sudan despite being Christians and fighting alongside the South. What excluded them was the initial international border that put them in the North before North and South were merged else it would amount to the South claiming the North's territory.

So a recognisable border is the key and we had that up till 1906.

cc: pazienza

pazienza:
The 1939 boundaries will include Bamenda province
Oh dear, I never thought of that. I hope that won't make things more complicated than they already are.

Well, if we use the pre 1906 maps, we would avoid the Bamenda complication but we will run straight into the Edoids complication.

On the Aniomas voting via referendum to join us, I guess that is possible, but knowing Arewa-Oduanistans, I wonder her easy that could be.

cc: Obiagu1

Nnaa come and throw more light on these things.

This is why I prefer to say 1960 map because of Cameroon.
No, Anioma cannot vote in a separate referendum because they were midwest. They'll vote along with the rest of the midwest. Remember, some communities in Southern Cameroon voted to be Nigerians but lost out because they were not separate entities.

1906 map solved all these problems and for that, Edo remains part of Biafra.

cc: Ngwaukwu1

jpphilips:
What pointer do you have that Biafra will guarantee 100% resource control for Niger delta? your propagandist Nnamdi Kanu has never mentioned "Niger delta oil" but "Biafran oil" don't you get? does Nnamdi Kanu's village produce oil? does his father suffer the environmental pollution associated with oil exploration?
If Biafra guarantees 100% resource control for the SS, what will the SE feed on? No ports for importation means no IGR dont you get?
100% resource control for Niger delta in Biafra is practically impossible.
No doubt SS deserve a larger share but Hey!! we are not dumb to believe Biafra is the answer, try again bros!!

Yes it is Biafran oil because it belongs to Biafra.
Yes every province will control their resources 100%. Nobody needs your oil, keep it to yourself because every province has it's own oil.

In 45 years time, you'll be on your knees begging Igbo Province for financial support.

staymore:
In other words you are saying the agitated for Biafra is because of the SS oil.

We are saying that agitation for Biafra is to take what you are stealing from the SS and give it back to them.

wirinet:
Nigerdeltan are very intellectual if not more intellectual than the south east. The main difference between south south intellectuals and south east is what while the south east allowed their emotions to becloud their intellect, the south south always have their heads on their shoulders.

No resource community in the whole world has 100% resource control, and in fact no country (except you are a super power nation) can control its mineral resources 100%. Even in the US where ownership of oil resources resides in the owners of the land, strict government regulations and heavy taxes are used by government to gain partial control of the resources resides. So your 100% resource control jargon remains in the realm of fantasy.

The Nigerdelta struggle is not to appropriate 100% of the oil resources to itself ( that itself is an invitation for war - both locally, nationally and internationally. ) What happens to communities, local governments and states without oil?
What we want is land control. The greatest injustice to the Nigerdeltans is the land use act, which takes away ownership of our lands and gives it to federal government ( someone in Abuja to distribute as he or she wishes). We want our lands back.
On revenue sharing, we would like to revert to the 50/50 formula as was obtained before the discovery of oil. We do not mind increasing it gradually over a period of like say 10 years, to allow other regions and states enough time to develop their own resources.

On a side note, one thing illiterate Biafrans are unaware of is that even if Biafra is attained and it miraculously include the oil rich Nigerdelta, the quantity of oil available would be greatly reduced. Our exclusive maritime economic zone would be greatly reduced because of the very small land mass of the fabled Biafra. Cameroon and France would benefit greatly from the reduced maritime boundary. This is one of the reasons the northern claim that a sizeable portion of our crude oil revenue is from our expanded exclusive maritime economic zone due to the huge size of the north. This was why the north asked Obasanjo to remove offshore oil from the 13% derivation, but thankfully obasanjo refused.

You basically answered yourself.

Paying tax does not mean you don't control a company 100%.
Land owners with oil resources control them 100% and pay tax just like a grocery store in the town.

Talking about being intellectually sound. Mtcheew!

ikechu1278:
This is the second time I've seen you include edo in this your statement. Dude Edo, excluding igbanke, is not included in biafra.

If you exclude Edo, you stand a chance of losing Anioma too. Former midwest was not part of Biafra.
Countries are created out of internationally known boarders.
We have 2 such maps: 1906 and 1960.

If you exclude Edo, then we are limiting ourselves to 1960 map and we lose Anioma.
If you include Edo, then we are going with 1906 map and Anioma would be part of us.

Ask yourself, why Darfur was not included in South Sudan?
The answer is simple.
Darfur was not part of internationally recognised territory of South Sudan and Darfur remained with Sudan despite being Christians and fighting alongside the South. They were excluded because a territory with the South was not internationally recognised.

For the fact that Fulani solders are now in Kogi, One Nigeria is not an option, restructured or not. God forbid!
There next stop is Anambra.

You don't want to return home to bury your butchered grand mother, do you?

pazienza:
Lol! So nairaland autocorrected your ja.njaweeed to supporter of APC! Lol

Yes oo.