₦airaland Forum

pazienza:
No, the point is that Biafra can only be created using internationally accepted borders, that's my understanding, Obiagu1 would have to throw more light on that.

We would have to use either the 1906 map as seen here:https://www.nairaland.com/1019602/dont-blame-1914-amalgamation-rather

Or the Eastern region map.

If we use the 1906 map, we would have to include the Edoids and Ijaws as the 1906 map represents the current SS and SE.

If we use the 1939 Eastern region map, we lose the Anioma, which is totally unacceptable.

You are correct.
This is the main reason the Darfur region of Sudan did not join South Sudan despite being christians and constantly attacked by Janja.weed.

This is going to become a regular occurrence like in the middle belt.

Join Biafra movement now and be saved!

Tenderly1:
Why do you think that when Biafra becomes a country, you won't be marginalized?
Do you think that the izon nation and the rest won't suffer at the hands of these self righteous people?
Do you think there won't be tribalism then?
Do you think the igbos won't act like gods over the rest tribes?
What is the assurance that the sufferings of our people will be over?

In Biafra, there will be Igbo, Ibibio, Ogoni, Ijaw, Edo, and Northern Provinces.
Each of these provinces controls their resources 100%.
The population of non-Igbos is almost equal to the Igbos.

Now tell me, how can the Igbo dominate or cheat others out of their resources when the Igbo don't control it?

Thank you for speaking up.
We need voices of true NigerDeltans.

If NigerDeltans and Igbos form a synegic alliance and match together, I tell you the nation would tremble and negotiation for Biafra would start in earnest.

Again, in Biafra, every Province would have 100% control of their resources. You cannot get up to 50% in Nigeria so Biafra is the only way.

^^^

I understood clearly what Pazienza said.

Well, the thread was meant to cause anger but at the same time challenges, provokes and stimulates ones thinking.

It's not in anyway condescending though you percieved it as such.
I believe it's generally polite to question ones wisdom without saying he is silly.

Rossikk:
He's just one guy. You are talking of a wholesale replacement of the current Igbo ruling class with a new set of incorruptible politicians ready to forgo the massive oil wealth in the SS for a decades' long industrialization drive in the east. How is that gonna happen? What ideological foundation will power this revolution?

There are many new faces. Sullivan Chime was new too.

About politicians and corruption.
That's left for us to deal with.

A new Biafra would bring with it a new movement and a new ideology.

Rossikk:
Where will this new set of politicians emerge from? How will they be able to unseat the established ruling class whom you seem to think will quietly disappear into the night? Where will they get the money to fight and dislodge the old school politicians?

Hmmm, funny question.
Well you have to tell me who Peter Obi was before 2003.

Rossikk:
I think you're overly optimistic, and seem not to be taking the character of these politicians into account. Also, tell us what oil and gas deposits have been found in the se in commercial quantities.

South East is just a part of Igbo Province.
We already have oil production going on in the areas I listed.

Optimistic? Yes that's why I could lay down my life to see Biafra become a country.
As for the politicians? They are Abuja made politicians, new set of politicians would emerge to reflect the new realities.

Rossikk:
Look. Igbos will NEVER allow regional resource control in Biafra. They will sabotage it. Why are they fighting for Biafra only to play second fiddle in the new country? Allow SS politicians and businessmen to be the new Oil and Gas barons worth billions of dollars while they scramble over pennies and spare parts sales in Onitsha? It just won't happen. Let's get real pls.

Igbo Province has oil, enough of it.
We have major oil zones in Imo, Abia, Anambra, Anioma and Rivers Igbo.. With 100% control, it's even bigger.

We have enough to kick start our economy.

Now, this is what you are missing.
The Igbo are angling to be the industrial centre of Biafra. There's far more money and real employment in industrialization compared to oil.

Now with this, we may start off as the least advantaged in Biafra in terms of oil revenues but with good policies centred on home patronage, most of the oil money from the wealthier provinces would patronize Igbo made goods.
It will be a win-win for us while we push our GDP to the roof through industrialization.

You might have heard some Igbos say we don't need oil. It's true and we mean it.

Rossikk:
Igbos do not need to be more numerous than the rest combined. All they need is to be the majority ethnic group. Are there more Hausa- Fulanis than the other ethnic groups combined? Nope. But they've used their majority status to dominate the country's politics and push their agenda. And coups are not the only tools for political machination.

The Hausa/Fulani are in control because Nigeria is badly structured. They have far superior constituencies than any other hence their ability to hold the fort.

Igbo Province is just one of the 6 provinces in Biafra, that's approximately 17% in contituency representation.
Now, factor in population being the largest province, they will not be allowed by constitution to have more than 30% of all possible constituencies in Biafra.
With that, there's no way the Igbo could dominate.
Influencial? Yes but not domination.

We cannot allow ourselves to be like Nigeria. Never.

xtrorse:
Exercise restraint in cajoling any group to join the quest for emancipation.

We should stop making unnecessary concessions to a yet-to-decide people.

It doesn't even make sense attempting to take decision on their behalf.

There's freedom of association and so allow them show interest and do the seeking. 

Let every group determine their future.

Let's avoid anything that may belittle the Igbo Nation.

We are not making any concessions. All I've said are fundamental.

In addition, ask yourself how South Sudan got their border or Eritrea.
The point is that they are going with us if we leave so it's left for us to do the campaigning.

Rossikk:
You sound politically naive. The Igbos don't need to tinker with the constitution. All they'll do is create the conditions that will make centralisation of power 'necessary'. Did Nigeria not start off with regional autonomy after independence? How did we end up with centralisation of power, with Abuja controlling all resources today?

To start with, coup is no longer possible in West Africa.
Whatever an idiot does, if it ever happened, would be reversed by the same government he removed. Current trend in West Africa supports this except you are stuck to 1960s.

Centralization of power is almost impossible.
Any attempt would trigger secession clauses that would be in the constitution.
Again, the Igbo are not more numerous than the rest of Biafrans so your hypothesis holds no water.

Rossikk:
Igbos can use their govt majority to reverse all resource control ideas. Resistance will be crushed by an Igbo dominated military. What "Edo and northern provinces" are you talking about? Also, the Igbos can play divide and rule with the other fragmented minority populations, who will of course lack the ethnic homogeneity and unity of the Igbos.

You mean the Igbo will single handedly modify the constitution? How is that possible?
Do you know that constitution can only be modified by a majority in each province and by a majority of all the provinces?
Igbo province is a SINGLE province!

pazienza:
Sure the oil isn't going to be there forever.

How I wish there was no oil discovered in the old East, it would have been better for us all. The Arewa-Oduanistanis wouldn't have been hell bent on one Nigeria and the British interest wouldnt have been there.

However, OP the title and the first Post of this thread is condescending.
There are many SS people who see the clear picture, it's a bit harsh to start questioning the wisdom of people you are trying to sell an idea to. It does not in anyway help your cause.

A SS can also ask the same question of us as you are asking them. Where is the wisdom of SE when men like Rochas,Ngige, Onu, etc are eating and dinning with Arewa-Oduanistanis and are screaming one Nigeria when they should know better.

Does it now mean that those men represent us?

I know you have honest and good intentions, but consensus building is a tricky business Biafrans must learn to master, you try to not beg anyone while at the same time avoid sounding condescending.

Just my humble and honest opinion.

God bless Biafra.

Sometimes, one drives home a point by being blunt.
It sounds harsh but it's part of hard talk.

They can as well question the wisdom of our 'leaders'.
To me, those guys don't represent us.

They can question our wisdom for trying to create Biafra, that I will defend by giving them reasons.

Here I will like them to defend their wisdom for opting for Nigeria when they are being gravely cheated and clearly not even a good option to start with.

Rossikk:
Same thing they said in South Sudan. On paper, every country on earth is 'structured' to be a paradise. Reality on ground is always different. Human nature indicates the Igbos will capitalize on their numerical advantage to corner the resources. Or are Igbos saints?

Wait a minute.
In Biafra, there will be Igbo, Ibibio, Ogoni, Ijaw, Edo, and Northern Provinces.
Each of these provinces controls their resources 100%.
The population of non-Igbos is almost equal to the Igbos.

Now tell me, how can the Igbo dominate or cheat others out of their resources when the Igbo don't control it?

VickJames:
eurobomber, do you know how many millions of igbos you are ceding to the north by giving the rivers? please dont say that again.

I don't know what to use to qualify that guy.

Abagworo:
Nnaa my mother is from Rivers and I spent all my life here. So it is safe to say I am a Rivers man and I know the politics here. The events before and after the civil war has made an unchangeable impact on the psyche of an average Niger Deltan. I've fought this affiliation war most of my life and realised it will always end in futility. You cannot know more than I do in that aspect.

Speak for yourself and yourself alone and let us continue campaigning to get those that sit on the fence to see reason.

Please, stop antagonising us. You've said your mind but leave us alone.

Rossikk:
Olodo...Stay in 'Biafra' for 6 months and see if you won't cry 'marginalization' after the Igbos dominate your new country and its resources.

Nobody is capable of dominating another in Biafra the way it is structured.
Quit your misinformation and scare tactics.

chosen04:
Some folks will definitely be disappointed.

Asari is one man I respect and listen to not all these online nonentities claiming NigerDelta spokesperson.

Abagworo:
The South-South will always prefer to align with the North over Southeast because of same reason the world powers prefer the North. I still wonder why the wise ones like you cannot see it clearly. If we want to achieve Biafra the 1st thing is to purge ourselves from South-South affiliation and then negotiate with North.

How could we purge ourselves from SS affliction when a large chunk of us are part of the SS?
How could we when we are surrounded by the SS?

Like I said somewhere, Igboland is not a recognised international territory but Biafra is and no nation has ever broken up from unknown borders. We are attached. This is as simple as that.

Lastly, for you as an Igbo to have already given in to internal slavery makes me question your heritage.

Abagworo:
Obiagu1 the truth is that only Igbos refuse to appreciate the fact that the way Nigeria is structured and with interest of world powers put into consideration the North determines our political fate.

That is what South South and Southwest know that makes them align with North. Ojukwu realised it before his death and was working towards that.

We can't give in to enslavement. Some of our forefathers jumped into the ocean rather than become slaves, others led rebellions all over the Americas notably in Haiti. Some bought their freedom.
The point is they NEVER gave up.

We can't give in to enslavement. I'm an Igbo and I'm not a slave!
We will keep fighting until we are free.

We need our brothers down south to shore up our numbers and our strength, one of the main reasons we lost in 1970. They help us gain our freedom and their's by the way, but at the same time get more than what they are expecting, a 100% control of what God gave them.

Coolabbie:
All these wise men from the east who can proffer solutions to the problems in anoda man's land but have no clue on how to solve their own problems.
As long as Akwa Abasi Ibom still remains in Nigeria, wetin concern me?

We can actually solve our own problems that's why we are seeking for Biafra, a freedom from internal enslavement and institutionalised suppression.

We can't help ourselves much when we cannot formulate policies to lift us out of this decay in Nigeria.
It's all about policies and who controls it.

We need Biafra, and we shall prove you wrong.

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Only the first photo is from the protest.
The rest are fake, never happened in the East!

The OP is a liar.

Real2020:
Well said and you will be surprised to know that 90% of youths in SS now know what's up and are fully in support of Biafra. Nnamdi Kanu explained this very clearly and many are now understanding. The protests in Rivers, Delta and Bayelsa are testament to this!

They should even be more pro-Biafra than the Igbo where they are guaranteed 100% resource control, enough to enable them develop like Dubai.

Dubai's oil reserves have almost depleted but they did make use of it to diversify.

Now oil contributes less than 5% of their revenue.

For those that don't know, Dubai is no longer a major oil producer. They now produce a meagre 70,000 barrels a day.

PappyMason:
And if you must know, the Bight of Biafra now Bight of Guinea has the richest reserves of hydrocarbons in the world.

This is why your America is so bent on citing AFRICOM base there.

Every oil reserve has a proven estimate, it doesn't last forever!
Ask any petroleum engineer for more enlightenment.

gwales:
Land grabbers

... as if you haven't already stolen SS oil for your development leaving them impoverished and their environment degraded.

50 more years of begging for resource control, their plea would be worthless.

There's about 45 years more of being relevant to the North, after that you'll be worthless to them.

There were 37.2 billion barrels (5.91×109 m3) of proven oil reserves in Nigeria as of 2011, ranking the country as the largest oil producer in Africa and the 11th largest in the world, averaging 2.28 million barrels per day (362×103 m3/d) in 2006. At current rates this would be 45 years of supply.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Nigeria

People get wiser as they grow old.
If there's any growth intellectually in the SS, they should have learnt one thing or another from Nigeria and dangers the future portends.

You have asked for resource control for over how many years now, asking from people that should not, in the first place, be in control of your destiny and your resources.

Unfortunately, there seem to be no wisdom in the SS.
How many of them know how long Nigerian oil are meant to last? If they do, they will know they don't have time. It's either they make full use of their resources now or suffer down the line.

You are asking for 30% from an Hausa man when you can get 100% from Biafra.
There's no wisdom, there is none.

warripekin:
U do have some points there but as to where I see domination. I will tell you they are legion in the sense that we see an average Igbo man as a die hard with a can do spirit who whether u like it or not, will take Ur space and tell u in Ur face that he did that because u are lazy. Like I said, we need to talk and look at the tenets our struggles together and Igbos should be more accomodating

Igbos can brag and that's just about it. It's one thing you can't take away from us.
We don't harm, we only like to compete.

It is this confidence and can do spirit we rely on. We don't have much oil like you guys but we believe we can industrialise Igboland. There's more money and real employment in industry than in oil. In fact, Igbo province will never be an oil base economy even if we discover much more oil in our land. We don’t want oil to corrupt our inherent drive because that's what oil does, easy money.

As for talking, there are avenues to reach out to IPOB.
Be assured that Biafra would practice federalism and have absolute resource control.
These are fundamental to Biafra.