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Petalss:

Dear Mr. Free Thinker,

I encourage you to truly open your mind and approach this subject with a sense of intellectual freedom before diving into religious research. You've made several assertions, but I suspect many of them are based on second-hand information or possibly content from YouTube videos. It seems like much of what you've shared could be classified as hearsay, and I challenge you to reflect on how thoroughly you've actually investigated these matters.

Can you honestly say you've taken the time to read the Quran yourself? Have you explored its teachings firsthand, even through an English translation? I would wager that there's an 80% chance you haven’t. It's important, especially if you are presenting yourself as a religious researcher, to base your claims on personal study and verified sources rather than mere assumptions or surface-level knowledge.

In true scholarly inquiry, one must ask thoughtful questions and engage critically with the material. Simply making statements without proper examination of the facts doesn't advance meaningful understanding. So, before asserting what is or isn’t true, take a moment to engage with the texts directly and see for yourself.

I have read Koran and I know what I am saying. Look at this verse Koran Koran 65: 4, it says;
65:4
Sahih International
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.

The verse clearly said for those who have not menstruated (underage children), that is why Muslims marry under age girls from the age 9.

honesttalk21:


You claim the act of marrying cousins is heavily discouraged by who? The Jewish law, jews or modern day society?



Ask yourself a straight question. When the Jews started marrying amongst their cousins was the Quran revealed?

Going further do you say children born of unrelated parents generally have no risk of inheriting genetic diseases?

The decision to marry a cousin is a personal one based on individual circumstances, cultural norms, and family preferences. While there may be potential genetic risks as in all cases of reproduction, many couples who are cousins have healthy relationships and families.

What do you know about the relationship between probability and actual occurrences?
There are legitimate concerns regarding the health risks associated with consanguinity however these risks may be overstated when viewed without context.

The actual impact on public health varies widely based on numerous factors including degree of relatedness, population genetics, environmental influences, and cultural perceptions.

Now do you expect God to talk with a people in manners they don't understand or expect there to be draconian laws? Fortunately you are not God and can never be so you cannot force your whims on others.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzFHr3nM8U?si=oWZgOR-W21Hr50lJ

The question here is simple, why can’t Koran if it is a word from god tell Mohammed not do close relative marriage that cause genetic disorder, tell him to abolish slavery, not do child marriage of marrying underage girls from 9 years old which cause a lot vagina fistula diseases rampant in Muslim northern Nigeria and many Muslim countries like Afghanistan, Iran,Pakistan, Bangladesh etc simply because Koran allows it and not make mistakes about Sun rotation and other clear errors.
All this things gave Koran out as mere human write up even one Hadith mentioned the man that is writing the relevantion for prophet Mohammed.

Petalss:

Imagine the Quran according to him to tell his ancestors that AS and AS should not marry.

I am a free thinker and religious researcher, if you remove your bias from your religious book you will agree with me that Quoran was written by human thought and imagination.

If Koran wrote that AS should marry AS, doesn’t that error tell you that the book was human write up, like similar example is that Koran allow close relative marriage, allow slavery, allow child marriage, said that the Sun is orbiting and the moon is orbiting and the two cannot meet each other, saying that Sun goes down under the table of god or muddy water and seek permission to come out the next day.

You will see that the person that is writing Koran obviously doesn’t know that the Sun never went down at night rather earth rotation make it to shine in the other part of the world. Another one is promising of big breasted virgin girls to Muslims in Islamic paradise and more, there is so many things that gave Koran out as human thoughts and write up.

Kingsempires:
so now with the little theology concept you have. Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc. you have seen the truth and it left for you to choose the religion of your chosen

The truth is that every religious book on earth (Bible,Koran etc) is written by human beings, you can now said that those who wrote them did that by god influence. Koran cannot be given direct from god with clear errors, strange practices like child marriage or endorsing slavery, not knowing that Sun don’t move in orbit etc.

I did my research for all this and if you are a Muslim, I can debate with you to show you that Koran was written by human being according to limited knowledge available to the writer 1400 years ago.

Lucifyre:


How convenient. Where do the views of fundamentalist Christians who are the majority, and hold the view the bible is inerrant and the word of god fall under this your fallacy of false attribution and assumption? Denying what's in your bible when it shows god speaking directly while attacking the views of others for the same is stinking hypocrisy. Whatever you don't like, you try to deny absolute stinking hypocrisy. I first said i wasn't sure if it was ignorance or hypocrisy, now I'm sure.

There no hypocrisy here, why do Christians call the laws that god gave to Moses the law of Moses instead of law of god

honesttalk21:


Do you feign ignorance that verses 7 to 17 elucidate about verse 6?

Verses 7-17 provide specific examples of these prohibited relationships, detailing various familial connections that are considered inappropriate for sexual intimacy.

By Jewish law, cousin marriages are permitted. The Torah does not explicitly prohibit such unions, and historical texts suggest that marriages among relatives were viewed positively. For instance, the Talmud mentions that a person is encouraged to marry their niece, indicating a cultural acceptance of marrying within close familial ties. The Talmud explicitly mentions the marriage of an uncle to his niece. See Yevamot 62b.

Numbers 36:11reports Zelophehad’s daughters—Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milkah and Noah—married their cousins on their father’s side.

Yes even if Jews practice it, Koran is held responsible since it is a word from Allah, so how is Koran a word from all knowing god don’t know that close relative marriage brings genetic disorders, that child marriage or slavery is not good

Lucifyre:


Same way i'ld ask how come the bible and the god of the bible fail to know the same thing?

Christians did not say that Bible is a direct word of God but are saying that Bible contains word of God or words from people that is inspired by God but Muslims claim that Koran is entirely words from God.

Christians can easily deny any error or strange practices in the Bible because it is not given by god directly while on Muslim side, it is not possible to deny any part of Koran since it is directly from God.

So Muslims find it difficult to explain child marriages, capturing women for sex slaves and keeping slaves, Sun and Moon moving in Orbit, incest sisterly marriages that is found in Koran which is acclaimed word of god.

honesttalk21:


Do you forget your ancestors being more intelligent than your Bible?

In Leviticus 18:6-18; is it not true that marriage between first cousins is not forbidden?

Leviticus 18:6-18

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.

13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.

14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.

16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

Which verse above refers to a cousin?

Provide a verse in your Bible that clearly forbids marriage and sexual relations between first cousins or shut your mouth wrongly afflicted by stupid bias.

You answered the question here in verse 6,

6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.

( Your first cousin is your close relative in Jewish tradition after Moses, although this is a subject of contention in Judaism because it didn’t mention first cousins specifically that is why some Jews marry their first cousin but the act is heavily discouraged ).

The bone of contention here is that Muslims claim that Koran was entirely word from god while Christianity doesn’t claim the same for Bible rather Bible contains word of God. You see that is why Koran is more subjected to scrutiny and after the scrutiny there is so many errors or practices in Koran which indicate that it was human being that wrote Koran.

Lucifyre:


Did you read what you posted at all? lol! Quote it to show where it says what you say it says. And how's does that excuse the clear hypocrisy when incestuous relationships still happened, something you're against another religion for permitting. God even killed a man for refusing to pour his sperm in his late brother's wife. Is that not clear contradiction and hypocrisy?

It may not be directly written there, the scientific implications of genetic disease disorders that occur from such inbreeding is what matters. How come the Koran book of god don’t know that.

Expanse2020:

Don't mind him guy, he his a Xtian70 % of Asia marry there cousin and nephews.. especially Indian, Japan Chinese, S.korea even in Europe do your research and see that Russian too do that .... If your culture didn't permit but there culture permitted and you are here to cry fowl only.. because in the bible asked who Abraham, Isaac,jacob, and others married too if it is not there cousin... You are here to talk heel against Islam but in your books more than 70% of the characters in the comic book married there cousins and nephews...
Christianity a big shame to you
Without lies it dies ......

It doesn’t matter if another culture permit it elsewhere, the question is why will my ancestors be more intelligent than the Koran, a book they claim is from god. My culture know the health implications of it and prohibit it while Koran allow it that prophet Mohammed married his uncle daughter and his adopted son wife.

APC ronu street urchins have their own filling station and market

Petalss:


Moral standards are shaped by many factors, including society, religion, philosophy, and culture. What one culture sees as morally right may be considered wrong in another. This shows how complex it is to define morality universally.

From a religious viewpoint, particularly in many faiths, God is seen as the ultimate authority on morality. His standards are believed to be higher than cultural differences.

God isn’t opposed to culture itself. Culture is an important part of human expression. However, God is against specific cultural practices that conflict with His moral teachings. It's important to distinguish between cultural elements that align with divine standards and those that don’t, so people can live in a way that honors both their culture and God's principle.

How do you feel marrying your father brother daughter or a stepchild, doesn’t it look disgusting to you if can be sincere.

Front page pls, the ronu group that is threatening Igbos to leave Lagos

Petalss:

Then you need to research more.

But can’t a god book do better even if another culture is practicing it. Is that morally right in your own thinking without being biased.

Lucifyre:


I don't know if this is plain ignorance or hypocrisy. Who did Abraham marry? Who did Abraham's brother marry? who did Jacob marry? Who did Esau marry? who did Isaac marry? Who did Adam's other children marry? Who did Cain marry,? Who did Noah's grand children marry? Who did Moses' father marry? Who did Judah marry? Was the world not populated and repopulated through incest according to your bible? So what are you saying.

My research on Christian Bible shows that the act was prohibited by Moses on their way to promise land. It is forbidden for them to marry their uncle daughter or stepdaughter.
Leviticus 20:17-21 and Deuteronomy 27:20-23 clearly prohibited those practices for the Jews.

honesttalk21:


It will do you good to look at other translations of the same verse of the Quran.
There is mistake made in this translation.

If I may ask you what then happens when you consumate the marriage with the mother of your stepdaughter?

I have in my earlier reply pointed out the practices of marrying cousins which has occurred frequently in the British monarchy who are not Muslims.

I have also pointed to the medical exaggeration of the risks

The permission is not to marry stepdaughter mother, is to marry a stepdaughter herself which regard you earlier as his father when she was growing up.

Qasim6:


Do you kno the risk is 3% in unrelated couples and around 4-6% in Cousins marriage?

Are we not going to marry again since the risk is also present in unrelated couples?

Yeah, it is permitted. But if you are not cool with it then stay away. You are only looking at it from the perspective of your own culture. Some cultures are cool with it.

Then why will my ancestors know better than the Koran, because in my cultural tradition, that is one of the highest abominable incest one can commit. As far as the risk is greater than 1% that is much. I am yet to see a culture that permit someone to marry adopted son wife if they divorce.

honesttalk21:
@Qasim why bother answering these questions of questionable intent? They obviously are not from an asking position but mere hateful jest.

Cousin marriages have been a notable aspect of the British monarchy, particularly as a means of consolidating power and maintaining royal bloodlines. This practice has historical roots that can be traced back several generations, with various members of the royal family marrying their cousins for political alliances and to preserve the purity of their lineage.

While there are some increased risks associated with consanguinity (the practice of marrying within one’s blood relatives), these risks are often overstated and can be considered minimal in many contexts.

In Islam, marrying one's stepdaughter, whether before or after the consummation of marriage with her mother, is not permissible and is considered forbidden (haram) in Islamic law. The relationship between a stepfather and stepdaughter is considered to be one of mahram (non-marriageable kin), and it is prohibited for them to marry each other under any circumstances.

The verse 4:23 says prohibited.

Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your stepdaughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in.

That is not what verse 4:23 said, attached is what the verse said, you are adding your own. The question is not about whether British or elsewhere culture is doing it. The contention is why will a Koran book that was claimed to come from god allow such despicable practices of marring your uncle daughter that have medical disorder implications and also a stepdaughter or divorced adopted son wife as practiced by prophet Mohammed.

Qasim6:


And for the cousins part, yeah it is permissible.
It is not something peculiar to Islam, some cultures do permit that.

But if your cultures does not permit it, then stay away from it.

Why will Koran not know that the act is not good even scientifically it breeds genetic disorder diseases in children. Now why will my ancestors know better than the Koran that claim that the book came from god through Mohammed.

Qasim6:


So if you did not marry the mother of a lady before, how is the lady your stepdaughter?

What the verse is talking about is if you have consummated a marriage with a woman then you can't marry her daughter again.

If you adopt a child, it is a taboo to marry her later when she grow up.

Qasim6:


But step daughters are mentioned in verse

The verse said that you can marry your stepdaughter if you did not marry the mother before. Read it again slowly.

Kingsempires:
if you are looking for the best religion the true is that Christianity is the best religion why!! Because Christianity teaching is mostly on Love, The love God have for us that he sent his only begotten son to dies for our sin, love your enemies even pray for them ,Matthew 5:38-48 New International Version (NIV)

' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. So where it get sad is that out of 100% people that are christian I will say that only 5% practice true Christianity.

If it comes to marriage in Christianity there is no dirty practice like that

As for Islam that is practicing that is left for them

Ok still researching and comparing

Qasim6:


Ok no problem.

Kindly quote Qur'an 4:23 here and let's see.

Attached is the quote, that is why prophet Mohammed married his Uncle daughter and after that he also married his adopted son wife Zaynab.

Kingsempires:
so were you a Muslim before or you were trying to convert to Muslim so that chapter and verse makes you to condenm Islam?

I am researching on Islam to know if it is better than other religions and I found those disgusting permissions for marriage. I begin to wonder if Koran actually came from god or just a copied work from previous religious books by prophet Mohammed. It is a serious abomination to have sexual relations or marriage with your father brother daughters because they are your blood sisters or your stepdaughter ( that is your child ) or stepson wife (that is your son wife). In my tradition you can’t marry your relatives to talk more of your Uncle daughters, that is height of perversion.

Aren’t these practices disgusting

Qasim6:


Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

Seems your own problem is who is marrying who

That who is marrying who is abominable in our land, why will a religion that it prophet claim to hear from god permit such dirty marriage. My question is why should Alla permit such marriages

Lucifyre:


Yeah but they can be christains where exactly the same thing happens🙄

It is not permitted in Christian Bible to marry your Uncle daughter which is marrying your father brother daughter and also marrying your stepdaughter is prohibited, that goes along with our cultural traditions. In our tradition if you do that you will be ostracised from community because you have desecrated our land in committing abomination.

This is a serious reason my people cannot be Muslims because this is an act of committing abomination in my tradition and are regarded as incest.

Can Muslim explain why Allah permit them in Koran Sura an Nissa 4 vs 23 to marry their stepdaughter and Uncle daughters, that is to marry a daughter of your father brother or mother brother or an adopted girl child which is your daughter or marry your adopted son wife if they divorce. Prophet Mohammed married his brother daughter Zainab and his adopted son wife.

Igbo Amaka

Deadlytruth:
Ojukwu reiterated it many times that the chief architect and leader of the coup in question was Ifeajuna and never Nzeogwu. Logically also, how could Nzeogwu who was thousands of kilometers away in Kaduna have been the architect and leader of a coup plot hatched and nurtured entirely in Lagos?

You guys like lying alot, you have more information than the northerners and Yorubas that are eyewitness of the coup and narrated how Nzeogwu coordinated the coup.

The one that is most shocking today is that Delta Anioma people from where Nzeogwu came from are not Igbos but they call his coup Igbo coup.