Peacefullove:



the point is clear already like I said , the same way u couldn't take Paul been crucified in the actual sense of it , Is the same way I didn't take Body of Christ in the actual sense of it .


which falls back to the main topic , Since every Christian is the member of that body of Christ . None should collect tithe from another

You are becoming an e-sore.... Stale and weak points, unnecessary repetitions and no spiritual depth in rhema.

Use the e-door when you are done abeg.

hisgrace090:




Since 1999 is to say all abia state gov put together are worst till date, thank you.

Name your state o.....let's see how fantastic your state is.... Let's see
- how well the economy has improved
- how the education system has improved
- how marketable the governor is.

If not, then shut UP because abia is better than most states in Nigeria apart from a few.

hisgrace090:
Rochas is better than abia state lkpeazu.

Abia state takes the leads.

No project, no salary.

You are insane.

IMO state is still among those asking for bailout from federal government. They are owing for several months. Check recent info about abia and stop allowing inferiority to kill you.

IMO is fallen.

xana101:
Abia state since 1999

Is abia state a human being? Are you even schooled?

What state are you from so we can compare it to abia state?

Let's see how fantastic your state is.

Michael004:
Wow, this man must be an afonja, the source must be created by a Yoruba man. Well sir, we igbos do not believe this, we will continue blaming awolowo and Yoruba race for the Loss of that war. Even when Robert.S. Goldstein revealed the truth about the starvation of our people, we prefer to blame awolowo. Just wait there. We are coming for your head.

Your reverse psychology came late. Changing ukpai's context won't change the established truth published by caritas international, Frederick Forsythe and many other reportage.

I agree 100% with petra1

KanuJEWSarePIGS:


Oh! Same way he acted by handing over the key to our yam ban to Allison right?

Even sense wey small pass dust particles, una don vow not to go find.

Ranting is your specialty, I know.

Whose yam barn? "Our" what? See delusion

SillyMods:
Yemi Osinbajo Voted Nigeria’s ‘Man Of The Year’ In SaharaReporters’ Poll
Out of 3,625 votes, Mr. Osinbajo received 41 percent, with the late Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Abu Ali coming in second with 27 percent.
BY SAHARAREPORTERS, NEW YORKDEC 06, 2017

Nigerian Twitter users chose Vice President Yemi Osinbajo as Nigeria’s “Man of the Year” in a Twitter poll conducted by SaharaReporters.


Out of 3,625 votes, Mr. Osinbajo received 41 percent, with the late Lieutenant Colonel Muhammad Abu Ali coming in second with 27 percent.


Mr. Osinbajo served as Acting President of Nigeria for a total of over three months in 2017 while President Muhammadu Buhari was in London receiving medical treatment.

During his time as Acting President, Mr. Osinbajo took on several presidential duties. He signed three executive orders, inaugurated the Board of Directors of the Nigerian Sovereign Investment Authority (NSIA), directed the expansion of the Social Investment Programmes (SIP), and attended the G7 summit where he met with U.S. President Donald Trump and other world leaders.


http://saharareporters.com/2017/12/06/yemi-osinbajo-voted-nigeria%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98man-year%E2%80%99-saharareporters%E2%80%99-poll

To Nigeria, voting Nnamdi KANU is tantamount to voting a "terrorist" or celebrating "hate speech".

It will also be seen as an insult to buhari and Osinbajo. ;

KANU is Nigeria's nemesis.

KanuJEWSarePIGS:


Be guided!

Keep deluding yourself.

Jonathan acted on the advise of his northern traitors.

Shioor

nairanaira12:



Where is the scripture that says tithing is spiritual? Or are you calling it spiritual because your pastors say so?

And are you too daft and blind to read the Bible by yourself to find out?

Must you curse or rant before making a statement?

What do you know about tithing?

If you don't believe in Abraham's blessings, well many of us still do. We believe in tithing and it works for us.

Tithing is voluntary. So don't kill yourself over this issue.

Michellekabod:

I guess it is high time you stop arguing...
It is crystal clear that many have chosen to follow the modus operandi(nominal christian doctrines)
Does comparing paul, a prisoner who lived like a vagabond moving from place to place with no home & frequently held captive and flogged the same with a G.O who has a home, and food to eat?
Paul was given because he was in need, and not because he was their spiritual father.


May God open us to wisdom

See this one.... Why is joining tithing to charging? How does tithing connote merchandizing the gospel?

If you can't take care of the ministers welfare, someone else will gladly do it.

You are the type who advocates for poor and beggarly pastors so they can be your at mercy.


By the way, is it only traveling ministers like Paul are those whose needs should be attended to? Do you think a minister will come out to tell you all his needs? If you cant tithe.....congrats, leave those who can.

rejosom you are VERY CORRECT ...."tithing is for Jews"

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh;[/color]

But he is a Jew who is one INWARDLY; and circumcision is that of the HEART, in the SPIRIT and NOT in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."[color=#990000]

Romans 2:28-29

Peacefullove:


not my question, Are early ministers of Christianity taken care of by tithes ?

Stop dodging the answer.....

YES..... tithings were part of VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTIONS..... it was not by force.

rejosom:


Of course not all the pastors are deceiving people into paying tithe. Just the few (or more) that do.

Yes we are talking about the materialistic and selfish ones who dupe people. The willing ones can go ahead and pay to pastors ooo the other set of willing ones can now #TAP. Simple....but let the ministers and comissioners come clean and tell people that it is all about meeting their needs and not portraying the Christian God as needy.

Now its obvious you are not a sincere enquirer, you are just out to insult the ministry.

Keep your money, no one is begging you for it.

Your opinions are inconsequential. Thank God for divine revelation.

rejosom:


This is the lie we are asking people to unlearn.
Tithe is for church minister's welfare.
First fruit is for church minister's welfare.
Offering is for church minister's welfare.
Harvest Thanksgiving is for church minister's welfare.
Stickers and holy oil are for church member's welfare.

Make we open our eyes.

There is no single biblical backing for Christian tithing. Tithing is for the Jews and Jews alone. Even Jews of today don't tithe because there is no temple anymore. It is now you a who claim not to be under the law that the law of tithing is bound.

Muru anya o.
Use that 10% to reduce the number of poor people in Nigeria. Glad u know ministers if God are not poor and lazy. They are wise toiling day and night on how to twist the bible to suite their selfish agenda. Where did they get tithe is for the minister's welfare from?

Abeg #TAP

YOU ARE CORRRECT. tithing is for the JEWS...who are the Jews? Read ROMANS 2:28-29

Peacefullove:


wrong logic , are early ministers of Christianity taken care of by tithes ?

Yes.... Both tithes and other offerings are all VOLUNTARY contributions.

rejosom:
Honestly I haven't given much... But I have challenge myself to help someone start a business no matter how little.

Yes Sir, they gave to be shared amongst themselves. Not to Ministers.

Am I being forced to tithe? Yes. People are deceived, lied to, and threatened to tithe. Sir, most of them are... The ones who can't move without armed security guards watch out for those ones. They are not just materialistic, the are materials.

Really, Tithing on what exactly?

Well they should come clean and say that they need money and not telling you you are giving to God only to use it satisfy their selfishness. Well, when their bills are paid they create more.. They buy private jets so that you keep maintaining for them. Tell me who did Jesus pay tithe to?

Are you referring only to private jet owners or ministers of God generally? come out straight.

When you give to a true servant of God, you are also giving to God, because the work of the ministry is not all about them, its all about God.

The church ministers in early christianity were taken care of, not just needy members ... Stop isolating the ministers.... Ministerial welfare doesn't stop the pastor from having a part time vocation, but when his attention is needed completely in the church, revelated church members know that the ministers MUST be completely.taken care of.

Face the materialistic and selfish ministers alone and leave the sincere ones alone. If you can't tithe, leave other willing ones out of your opinion.

rejosom:


This is the lie we are asking people to unlearn.
Tithe is for church minister's welfare.
First fruit is for church minister's welfare.
Offering is for church minister's welfare.
Harvest Thanksgiving is for church minister's welfare.
Stickers and holy oil are for church member's welfare.

Make we open our eyes.

There is no single biblical backing for Christian tithing. Tithing is for the Jews and Jews alone. Even Jews of today don't tithe because there is no temple anymore. It is now you a who claim not to be under the law that the law of tithing is bound.

Muru anya o.
Use that 10% to reduce the number of poor people in Nigeria. Glad u know ministers if God are not poor and lazy. They are wise toiling day and night on how to twist the bible to suite their selfish agenda. Where did they get tithe is for the minister's welfare from?

Abeg #TAP

Keep deceiving yourself. How much and how often do you give to the poor and needy even? Hypocrite!

The new testament early church gave all that they had (beyond a tenth) and you are here lamenting over a tenth. Study your scriptures.

Are you being forced to tithe? Why are you so bitter when others willingly tithe? Do you think every pastor is selfish and materialistic?

Tithing is older than the law. It is not compulsive in the new testament church regardless of its validity.

Minister should be taken care of. They are not beggars. How much have you sown into a ministers life? Do you think they don't have bills to pay and families to run? If you don't want to tithe, congrats.... Leave others who willingly choose to.

fellowman:
simon3kwork

you quoted the Bible but you changed it. I want to advice you to stop changing scripture

this is what you wrote...

Mtt 23:23-24(NLT) “what sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law- justice, mercy and faith : these ought ye to have done,

where did Jesus say we should tithe money here?

secondly do you know that Jesus did not pay the temple tax, he didn't even pay it out of his own pocket i.e the money Judas was holding.

you can visit my thread to have a better understanding

https://www.nairaland.com/4215508/tithing-not-eternal-principle

Oga you have no point.....your semantics aint even coherent. OP has done justice to the issue of tithing.

Thank you OP

PaChukwudi44:


Circumcision also predated the law but we all know how the apostle Paul treated it in Galatians. Do you st Paul was wrong?

Answer his question and stop being smart by half.

Tithing is SCRIPTURAL. Ministers of God shouldn't be categorized "poor and needy". The poor and needy have voluntary contributions made for them too. Tithes is a voluntary contribution made for church minister's welfare.

Yyeske:
It is the business of IPOB miscreants and not Igbos

Keep deluding yourself.... It amuses me.

Yyeske:
I never liked Ohaneze from the beginning but painting it bad because of a useless proscribed IPOB is no business of any Igbo man or woman.
IPOB miscreants are free to hate anybody if their interest doesn't align with that of others

You actually mean "its not the business of Igbo saboteurs".....

You always have a heart attack whenever a page is opened to honor KANU.

michaelang:
However, tithes were not acceptable from strictly Gentile lands. So you need to ask your pastor how come he is collecting tithes in Nigeria.
Servants or slaves who worked on the land did not tithe because the land did not belong to them. Since only agricultural and animal resources were included, a fisherman gave no tithe of his fisheries. Neither did a miner or a carpenter pay tithes, nor anyone from the various professional occupations. So if you are not a farmer or a keeper of livestock, tell your 419 pastor tithing is biblically inapplicable to you.
Moreover, the only people authorised to receive tithes were the Levites. (Hebrews 7:5). So if your pastor is a “tithe-collector,” ask him if he happens to be a Jew. Remind him that, even though a Jew, Jesus could not receive the tithe because he was not from the tribe of Levi but from that of Judah.
The trick, of course, is for pastors today to claim they are “Levites.” If your pastor is one such dissembler, ask him if he lives as a Levite. Remind him that Levites had no land and did not have private property. Ask him also how he knows he is from the tribe of Levi, which happens to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Point out to him that even Jewish rabbis don’t claim to be Levites today because all Jewish genealogical records were lost with the destruction of the Temple in AD 70, ensuring that it is no longer possible to ascertain the true identity of Levites.
Therefore, if Jews no longer tithe because the Levites are a lost tribe, how can Christian pastors collect tithes when we are not even Jewish, how much more Levites? If Jewish rabbis, whose terms of reference remain the Old Testament no longer collect tithes, then pastors who insist Christians are under a New Testament have no business doing so.
The conclusion then is inescapable. Every pastor who collects tithes is nothing but “a thief and a robber.” (John 10:1). Let those who has ears listen

Thank you. You can keep your shallow understanding to yourself. You are not being forced to pay tithes. Suck it up.

michaelang:
According to the scriptures, money is not acceptable as tithe; it has to be food-crops or livestock.
As far as many pastors are concerned, the most important scripture of all is not to be found in the word of Jesus. Neither is it even in the New Testament. That scripture says: “‘Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house, and try me now in this,’ says the LORD of hosts, ‘If I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it.’” (Malachi 3:10).
This scripture is drummed repeatedly into Christians on Sundays. However, the only time Jesus mentioned tithing in scripture, he pointed out that it was not a weighty matter of the law. (Matthew 23:23). Hebrews says people only receive tithes “according to the law.” (Hebrews 7:5). It then insists tithing (and everything else under the law) has been annulled: “The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless.” (Hebrews 7:18-19). Nevertheless, mercenary pastors continue to insist on the payment of tithes.
Latter-day Pharisees
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for keeping part instead of the whole law. (Matthew 23:23). That is what tithe-collecting pastors do today. If they insist their congregants must pay tithes, they must also insist that they keep the rest of the law. James says: “Whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10). Therefore, if Christians insist on tithing today, they should also refrain from eating pork. They should stone adulterers, execute homosexuals, kill Sabbath violators and restore blood-sacrifices
Tithe-collecting pastors counter this by maintaining the payment of tithes pre-dated the law. Here Abraham is cited as the cardinal example of someone who paid tithes before the promulgation of the Law of Moses, as did Jacob, his grandson. However, such arguments are disingenuous.
Before the law, tithing was at best an example but not a commandment. Moreover, pastors fail to mention that Abraham only tithed once in his lifetime. When he did, he did not even tithe his own money: he tithed the spoils of war. He gave ten percent of the plunder he took when he rescued Lot to Melchisedec, king of Salem. But then he did not even keep the rest but returned it (all ninety percent) to the king of Sodom.
For his part, Jacob also tithed only once. He did this in a “let’s make a deal” arrangement he offered to God: “Jacob made a vow, saying, ‘If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, so that I come back to my father's house in peace, then the LORD shall be my God. And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God's house, and of all that you give me I will surely give a tenth to you.’” (Genesis 28:20-22). This kind of deal about accepting God only under certain self-serving conditions should certainly not be a term of reference for any serious believer.
Lies upon lies
The first lie pastors tell Christians is what some have referred to as “the eleventh commandment:” “Thou shalt pay thy tithes to thy local church.” But the bible says no such thing. The storehouse of Malachi was not a church. It was a place where food was kept.
Pastors hide from church-members the fact that money was not acceptable as tithe. The tithe was a tenth of the seed and fruit of the land and of the animals which ate of the land. (Leviticus 27:30-32). That is why God says: “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be FOOD in my house.” (Malachi 3:10). He does not say “that there may be MONEY in my house.” The food was used to feed the Levites, the poor, widows, orphans and strangers.
Pastors also conveniently fail to teach the biblical tithe. The principles of tithing were not laid down by Malachi. They were laid down by Moses. The study of Moses’ guidelines quickly reveals that the biblical tithe has no application whatsoever to Christians and is mischievously violated by tithe-collecting pastors today.
According to the Law of Moses, the tithe was divided into three allocations. The first year, it was given to the Levite. The second year, it was given to widows, orphans and the poor. The third year, it was eaten in the company of the faithful before the Lord as thanksgiving for his faithfulness. (Deuteronomy 14:22-28). In the seventh year, there was no planting and no reaping and therefore no tithing.
So the next time your pastor asks you to pay tithe, ask him about the seventh-year reprieve. Also ask him if you can give your tithe to the orphanage, or bring it as food items to be eaten in church. Believe me; he will not agree with you because it is your money he is after.
Inapplicabilityof tithes
Tithing was only applicable to Jews and to the land of Israel. When large populations of Jews lived in Babylon, Ammon, Moab, Egypt, and Syria, these lands became tithe-able lands.

Words of a drowning man.

Weighty, weightier, weightiest...

Jesus said "WEIGHTIER"...... which means "more important"..... this shows that though tithes are important, other lawful issues like justice, mercy,etc are more important.

Jesus didn't come to abolish the law which includes justice, mercy, welfare (tithes and other offerings), etc.

Tithing in the new testament is NOT by compulsion, but by revelation. It is voluntary.Its not by force despite its validity.

New testament ministers (Eph. 4:11-12) should be taken care of by today's Jews (Romans 2:28-29) because it is Gods business. Ministers are not beggars that should be classified under "poor and needy". The poor and needy should have offerings voluntarily contributed for them as well.

If you still can't understand these.... Then sorry, I can't help you.

She should "keep QUIET".

Uglyojuku:


Even in GDP,Ogun state is way ahead of Anambra and Ebonyi.:

Nigerian States by GDP, 2010
The following table presents a listing of Nigeria's 36 states ranked in order of their total GDP in 2010.

Rank State GDP
(in millions
of USD)
1 Lagos State US$33,679
2 Rivers State US$21,073
3 Delta State US$16,749
4 Oyo State US$16,121
5 Imo State US$14,212
6 Kano State US$12,393
7 Edo State US$11,888
8 Akwa Ibom State US$11,179
9 Ogun State US$10,470
10 Kaduna State US$10,334
11 Cross River State US$9,292
12 Abia State US$8,687
13 Ondo State US$8,414
14 Osun State US$7,280
15 Benue State US$6,864
16 Anambra State US$6,764
17 Katsina State US$6,022
18 Niger State US$6,002
19 Borno State US$5,175
20 Plateau State US$5,154
21 Sokoto State US$4,818
22 Bauchi State US$4,713
23 Kogi State US$4,642
24 Adamawa State US$4,582
25 Enugu State US$4,396
26 Bayelsa State US$4,337
27 Zamfara State US$4,123
28 Kwara State US$3,841
29 Taraba State US$3,397
30 Kebbi State US$3,290
31 Nassarawa State US$3,022
32 Jigawa State US$2,988
33 Ekiti State US$2,848
34 Ebonyi State US$2,732
35 Gombe State US$2,501
36 Yobe State US$2,011

LAZY PEOPLE IGBOS ARE.DOWN SITTING LIKE LAST MUMUS TRADING NOT ABLE TO DO ICT AND BUSINESS LIKE YORUBAS THEIR MASTERS.LAZY AND POVERTY STRICKEN IGBOS ARE.

OGUN STATE SLAUGHTERING THE SUFFERERS FROM SE

Who are the property owners in your South West especially Lagos? ;

Michael004:
Are all these the part of development in South East or you are just pained that the thread is being destroyed with truth. Skull mining bla, bla, bla. Aterall, we can't forget otokoto, okija shrine. No wonder they call you people Dracula. Do you know what that means?

*yawns*

Stale

Michael004:
You get time. Person posted something that the source is bringing error code. How can I take him serious . I am just laughing at him.

So the "error code" now proves its false right? Free awo ewedu education at its best.