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smogup:
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For a motion to take place, there must always be a first mover that starts the movement before other things moves with it. God is the first mover that sets everything in motion.

and something must create that god if we are to argue on that premise, if i get you clearly u mean something must come out from something? if so then your god also must come from something, so also is the creator of the god, and so it goes without end. but if you believe ur god can exist without a creator then earth can exist without a creator

Dottore:
I bet you came from a family of tough competing dumb assh0les. Your rotten poosy is a sure proof.

you must be a good christian with this your post?

ElCount:
OP nice write up, hope they can rethink their stand. I can't believe a scientist after going to space and witnessing the degree of organization and exactness on display will still come back and say it all happened by chance.

I mean when someone enters a room and finds the room organized and tidy the person would ask who is responsible and not what expanded or exploded

@bolded. don't you think such an organizer must have a creator?

Marvyx:
Only a fool will look into the heavens and say there is no God. QED.

intelligent man, can you show me heaven

femicyrus:
bros, I just lookup gwagwa on the Internet. i am surprised it did not exist!!!
except gwagwalada in abuja Nigeria.
you forsake God that created heaven and earth for gwagwalada based god. smh

it is only fake god you can see on internet, if you see your own god there then it is fake... gwagwa is real

Splinz:
Lets hear the contradictions.

you claimed bible don't give account of the females in the beginning? and you proceeded by claiming that Cain married his sister? now what am saying is that there is a contradiction to that in the book of Leviticus that said " The unclothedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover."
Leviticus:18:9

DropShot:
Adam and Eve had eight sets of twins, each set with one boy and one girl.

Allah commanded they cross-marry, the last set marrying the first set. Cain didn't want his brother Abel to marry his own beautiful twin sister, saying he would be the one to marry her instead. This was the reason he killed Abel and he later married his own twin sister.

Islam details the account without missing anything.

Allahu Akbar.

but that Allah is not almighty for him to know they will disobey him even before creating them?

Splinz:
Okay, lets reason together. You see, it is not everything that's recorded in the bible, i.e, the day to day activities of bible's characters. This style of writing is not only common in the bible, but also in the literatures of the world. Why? Here, "Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were EVERY ONE of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written"- John 21:25. That's it! If the world itself cannot contain just Jesus ministry alone, how much more detailing every thing about creation? that means bible is not a reliable source when it comes to creation

Now, the point I'm trying to make is this. In Genesis 4:1, Cain is born. The very next verse, Abel is born too. The point: after Cain was born, definitely, a lot of time has passed before Abel was born! Also note that it is in verse 1 that Adam knew his wife, and it is still in that verse that she bare Cain. So at least you should know that nine months has passed since Adam knew his wife before she bare Cain!

Coming down to verse 14, certainly, a lot of years has passed before Cain slew his brother, judging from the fact that one was a farmer and the other, a shepherd. That means they were adults who could take responsibilities!

So, it is very much possible and likely that at this stage of their lives, their parents may have already produce other children in order to be "fruitful and multiply". I hope this helps?

but this contradict the rules in lev 18

the satan i read about in the bible is a perfect gentle man. so blame your pre-known god and not satan

urahara:
Your analogy essentially says that no matter the seriousness of the disease . u gats get treated in the hospital. This u related with hell in saying that no matter how small ur sin is u must surely get tortured.

............... Xtians trying to use logic to explain their illogical beliefs since 30 ad

u would have asked him whether they will be given same medication just like god will treat shekau and a liar

Image123:
Do you want them to be tortured?

ok, will they be given the same medication?

salykely:
What about the Hausa man who was roasted by Igbo youth? No one is condemning this retaliatory attacks. No one is telling Igbo people what they did to poor hausa families who have lived in their mist is bad! All I keep hearing in this forum from SE extract is hailing of the governor who even went further to inaugurate an inglorious ethnic militia that will help in killing Hausa/Fulani people in case of crises. A governor who have decided to profile Hausa/Fulani within his domain. Let everyone keep in record the attitude and response of this governor to this incident. If Kano alone should respond in like stupidity, the entire SE won't have the resources to accommodate the in flow of Igbo refugees.
In civilized countries, those who burnt that hausa man to death would be brought to justice. The man was not sentenced to death, he was not allowed to defend himself in a court of law. He was killed by Igbo mob without hearing his own side of the story. Until death, the law of his land presumed him innocent.

hmmmmm.. ur post make sense, it is just that those who celebrate today's action because of where they belong will cry if such a thing doesn't favour them tomorrow

dablazor:
Am glad I received a few positive feedbacks.

I'd like to point something out, christians on this thread and it's first part are mainly filled with religion fanatics who argue only just for the sake of clarity.
Might not be all of them, but reading some comments by christians and other religion followers on here attacking atheists and agnostic alike, and gently reinterpreting their undertones one would realize, they indeed need a push to abandon their believes they already on edge, they have already lost a chunk amount of their faiths that's why most are still hanging around.‎

I'd use this medium to appeal to non-believers in here, we all know how long it took for us to shake our believes, for pete's sake, many believers were introduced to religion before they even started crawling about, it's a belief system they've trusted for decades, it's not going to be easy, it's the biggest form of brain wash in our world, and it took a lot of soul searching for most of us to realize this.

I recall before I lost my faith and was searching for the truth, during my first degree, the first time I checked foreign religion blogs where atheists and likes converge, I didn't see a gathering of sane minds, it feels like those of devil reincarnates spreading the anti-christ gospel, heck it took a lot of chutzpah for me to realize I had been fed a whole bunch of colossal guano growing up.
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So we should be lenient, most believers here are searching for the truth, that's why they keep coming back, soon they'd know the truth, and hopefully not too late and it would set them free.
Again thanks for relating your story to everyone @HardMirror, that takes chutzpah.
Other contributors in here, johnydon22, urahara‎, frank317 to mention a few, your contributions have being rather compelling and most believers have seen reason because of you guys.‎
Humanity would be set free soon.
Salud!‎

nice write up..thanks bro

opeyemiolu:
Same here. Thanks to Johnnydon22 for giving me the courage to come out a little.

johnydon22.. see one of ur product, hell await you o. lols

urahara:
Uncle johnnydon22 answer my question is she freecocoa

give him pm and ask

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahaha Na where love carry me go naaa

well just make sure u invite me whenever una wan do the wedding

Chosen1984:
I KNOW and YOU KNOW

yea. i was told a jew man named jesus was killed when he blasphemed by calling himself god, he was charged and execute after been convicted... what about urs?

johnydon22:
Current girl friend is an atheist, A popular one here on Nairaland at that... I'm a lucky bastard

For my kids i intend to raise them free, they won't be atheists or theists, rather maintain that default stance we all have from birth which is Pure agnosticism.

When they grow to the age of reason they can develop their own ideas not feed them my own ideas

U mean ur gf is on this forum? kai johnny... god is watching u

RIP

Chosen1984:
With olukun or whatever, ooni, his wife and those that believe in all dt are OYO (ON THEIR OWN)!

THERE IS NO god or goddess apart from the ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND EARTH. THE ONE AND ONLY JESUS.
there is non like or as HIM. there is non second to him. all others are lifeless little creatures

were you told or u know?

hardmirror go sabi write season film o, episode by episode.... kwantinu

hardmirror why putting me in suspense? well, make sure you finish it tomorrow ok? barman give johnydon22 one mkponkpo bottle of malt make e dey enjoy the tori dey go tomorrow

nelsonoba:
Do I sound stressed to you? I'm certainly not! I don't belong to the class of some religious people who hate others and try to fight for their god. My God is not under any threat from you or anybody, He is God all by Himself, He doesn't need your approval of Him or your recognition of His sovereignty for Him to be God. What I feel is not stress, but great horror at the sight of what awaits you in eternity for the boldness to openly challenge the Almighty with the same brain and logical reasoning that He created and gave to you. One thing I know the devil for is the fact that he will use you and DUMP YOU! You are feeling cool with yourself because of the excess knowledge you think you have? Don't worry, God has seen and dealt with your type before, and your case is not new to Him. You will not be the first to deny Christ, and you will not be the last either, but like I said, by the time the devil is done using you and he feels he has no further need for your services, HE WILL DUMP YOU LIKE SHIT IS DUMPED IN A TOILET! By the time you find yourself after death in anguish and torment in hell and you see the same devil you are working for now being the one adding to your torment, you will swear and curse the day you denied Christ.

Like I said, I feel horror at what I know awaits you, not stress.

u wrote this long thrashes because somebody didn't believe your god and u said u are not stressed?

johnydon22:
Hhmmmmm looks like i nearly missed this to be ground breaking story... well i am here now **Grabs seat near OgundeleT** "guy give me pop corn and stout abeg

Little suggestion Pastor HardMirror, you need not reply the mentions from heart broken vulnerable Christian brothers that has been raining down pleadingly on this thread..

simply ignore and focus on your story which is why we are here..

Contunu **sips a cup of atlantic ocean**

hmmm. god dey vex for this ur stout

alaye tesiwaju mo n gbadun e baje baje.

ichommy:
Sweet , I like this.
Kenya! Kenya!! Kenya!!!
cc. Hahn ogundeleT

happy to hear that

johnydon22:
Fear: Is a very important aspect of our natural self, it is rooted in survival and is a fueling value for our Survival Instincts

But when this Factor is misplaced, misused, far stretched and imaginative, it becomes a dangerous value, it becomes detrimental to survival and a psychological prison that can mar our psychological well being.

I live in a society deep in the heart land of Enugu like all southern states is lit with magnanimous religious activities, a gripping clutch of outright superstitious fantasy, a pitiable belief and fear of witchcraft.


"Mrs Mmuo has been accused by her daughter
in-law of being a witch.
She lost two babies in miscarriages and the last was a still birth.
the only chant she knows right now is

"My mother in-law is a witch, she ate my babies, my pastor confirmed it"


Mr Obiajulu has been branded a wizard by his Children, he had laboured to see them through school now they are independent.
the first son had some troubles in his business and the man of god's never wrong pointing hands fell on his father.

Now the song is "My Father is a wizard working against my progress, man of God confirmed it"

Yes little children are not left out of the party,
any child with a slightly unique but different character is a witch, a reincarnation of an ancestral spirit .

The prayer house even used Cane on the little Ada to get her to confess.
Marks of darkened cane stripes adorn her flesh as a testimony.


"Holy Ghost fires" rents the air as the church beside attack spiritually the witches of the night while the rest of us need to twist and turn in bed unable to close our eyes from the shouts and bangs robbing us of sleep.

The average Nigerian society is riddled by the fear of Witches and Wizards, by the fear of such vague abstract notions that is no more than a psychological epilepsy conceived by a misplaced fearful mind.

it is a dangerous belief, a social menace and a stumbling block to our psychological growth.

-Every whiff of wind is a witch-craft manifestation.

-the rats and cockroaches in the house trying to find something to eat are in fact monitoring spirits sent from the village to monitor progresses.

-The cry of owls in the night is actually that of a witch in assignment..

-A child talking in the sleep is possessed.

- Every weird looking uncle or grand mother is actually one responsible for your problems.

-Every night mare is a revelation that an evil is attacking you.

It has gotten to the point that Husbands can accuse wives, mothers accuses children, wifes accuse mother in-laws, uncles, fathers, grand mothers, grand fathers.

everyone is caught in that web of fearful accusations and untold scare.

If you wear a red shade, you will see everything in a shade of red, the trees will beam down with red leaves, the sky will be smeared with red

It is time to take out that red shade, time to rid your mind of unhealthy baseless beliefs rooted in sheepish fear, ignorance and simplistic gullibility to what bible wielding, tongue firing, swag bearing men of God said.

The mind can be our greatest ally and our greatest foe, if you convince yourself that you are being chased surely you'll live the rest of your life running from nothing other than your own mind.

You'll spend your life battling imaginary enemies every night and day in an unending streak of illusionary wars.

You will be a prisoner of your own mind, a captive of your own fear and that can only diminish your ability to live freely.

It is time to take out the red shade and see clearer
time to shed these vague abstract fears and breathe freely

Nothing diminishes the human potential more than victimization of one's self.
Stop blaming every other thing for your misfortune and thereby making yourself the victim.

One problem with such fearful vague fantasies is that it keeps you busy fighting over enemies that are not there, compounding your problems with imaginary causes thereby invoking the need for imaginary solutions.

That is when our belief and fear becomes an enemy to self.

The rate of such demeaning belief etched in the minds of the average Nigerian makes this society an easy prey for selfish con men who would utilize this fear to extort the masses while dipping them deeper into this illusionary show down of fearful fantasy.

It is either you choose to be master of your own self by ridding your mind of any diminishing belief and fear or you subject yourself to the rule of your fears.

Removed the red shade and put on a clearer one
That a suit wearing man accused your mother to be the architects of your problem doesn't make it true, your illness are natural, your dreams are a projection of your mind, nobody is tying down your progress.

In a life and society ruled by random uncharted interactions there is bound to be an uncaring outcome from these events.
Good and bad can happen to anybody irrespective of their belief or character, what you make of such situations is all that matters.

Roping them around belief in witches rather compounds your problems and keeps you busy chasing and fighting nothing ..

We should all gun towards a healthy mind, unshackled by fear of vague concepts and unbound by imaginary battles.

Our youths should stop mobbing old men and women in the name of killing witches such practises are long gone in the global scale and are regarded as the dark ages in human history.

Children should stop being beaten, maimed and even burnt because of flimsy baseless accusations emanating from a con mind swallowed by a fearful and gullible mind.

With the sad eventuality of this demeaning beliefs in such a vague notion as Witches, with it's effects found in almost every nook and cranny of our society.

One can rightly assert that belief in witchcraft is a social menace, one we must evolve and leave behind for our own good.

Cc. ValentineMary (Who suggested this topic) Hahn, opeyemiolu, Shollyps, plaetton.

thumb up, so educating. where is lalasticlala self

gidgiddy:
Kanu staying in prison or not is not going to give you roads, light, water or a job. 100 years since Lugard went home, you are yet to get any of these things but you are focused on Kanu? Fulani herdsmen are slaughtering people ever day, the police and Army are protecting them, Boko Haram are on the loose, the clueless Buhari is running the country into the ground, national unity is non existent. But what some people care about is Kanu staying in jail. People are funny

yes i agreed that his staying prison wont give road, light and other thing you have mentioned but his hate speech is at the detriment of out nation and if he's not properly checked he will turn Nigeria to Somalia. so keeping him is important also
next time you say "we have not" gotten it right and not "you have not" because we are all responsible for Nigeria problem.

all i know is just that kanu will leave prison whenever buhari leave power, if they don't execute him

bejeiodus:
Lamido has shown himself as a committed party man. He's one of the few politicians who were angry at the way Jonathan was handed the Presidential ticket without a primary. He could have left the party like some of his colleagues in the New PDP but he didn't do so. I like the fact that he has made his ambition known so early. But I don't see him as a man whose candidacy can get the PDP enough northern votes. The PDP must lure either Atiku or Kwankwaso to the party with its presidential ticket. These are the two men who have a fair chance against Buhari in the North.

atiku or kwankwaso will only try better than lamido but they cant still defeat buhari in the north.

op is one yabaleft escapee.

all i know is no Fulani can attack my village and go scot free