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Iseoluwani:
Thought you had brain that you answered you in the 1st


Brain yakari

and u think you have brain with the way hahn and realmindz has been making jest of you since? common sarcasm u don't understand

let's wait and see what next

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1) Atheists Believe Everything Came From Nothing

Many theists believe there was once nothing, and
then there was something—the universe—created
by their god. And so they ask, “But if there is no
god then how can something come from nothing?”
This question has been asked for thousands of
years, but now Quantum physics has provided a
basis for some atheists, such as Lawrence Krauss,
to indeed believe the universe comes from
“nothing.” But Krauss doesn’t speak for all
atheists and he speaks of a very different kind of
“nothing,” the kind where virtual particles are
created from borrowed energy inside a vacuum.
This is not even remotely close to what theists
mean by the term “nothing.”
When asked about the universe, most atheists
simply stop somewhere along the lines of “the
evidence suggests the universe began expanding
approximately 13.77 billion years ago.” Beyond
that I’m fine with “I don’t know.” I don’t need to
know. I do not believe the universe came from
“nothing” in the way theists use the word or in the
way Krauss uses the word. I don‘t think there’s
enough evidence to reach a conclusion yet and
I‘m fine with that. I’ve never met an atheist who
believed everything comes from “nothing“ in the
way theists use the word and in my experience,
only a minority subscribe to the theory Krauss
puts forward. Theists may believe the universe
sprang from nothing, but they then have the
burden of proving there was ever “nothing” and
that “something” requires any gods at all.
2) Atheists Have No Morals

Humans are social beings, and as such we have
morals. Some theists say atheists have no reason
to be moral since we don’t believe in a god to
instruct or punish us. This claim seems rather
disingenuous when one considers that most
theists who say this wouldn’t become immoral
deviants overnight if they suddenly stopped
believing in a god.
Studies have shown our morals are a product of
multiple factors . The Milgram experiment shows
authority plays a major role. The Stanford prison
experiment showed the same, but also displayed
the role of social hierarchy. The “good or evil”
puppet test for babies suggests we are all born
with a basic sense of fairness, justice, and
unfortunately, bigotry. Human morality is too
complex to be explained by religion or lack of it.
Millions of atheists across the globe live moral
lives every day. Some don’t. Neither do some
believers. There are atheist charities and atheist
criminals. There are religious charities and
religious hate groups. Religious people and
atheists can both behave morally or immorally
because of—or wholly independent of—their
religious beliefs. One doesn’t necessarily lead to
the other. Studies have shown the basis of human
morality is present even before we’re exposed to
religion.
3) Atheists Have No Meaning of Life

Even if humanity survives the next 5 billion years
on this planet, the sun will balloon into a red giant,
boil and possibly devour the earth before exploding
and blasting out through the cosmos. The universe
will continue to expand at an increasing rate, and
eventually the force of gravity will be too weak for
any new stars or planets to form. The universe will
whither and die.
Some theists consider this and think without belief
in an afterlife, nothing really matters in this life.
Believing in an afterlife can influence one’s
meaning of life, but a meaning of life doesn’t
require belief in an afterlife. Some theists refer to
Nietzsche’s nihilism as if Nietzsche were the be-
all and end-all of existentialist philosophy. But
humans generally define our meaning in the
moments we enjoy and the goals we set. This was
probably best articulated by Albert Camus in The
Myth of Sisyphus.
I enjoy every moment I spend with my daughter,
and one of my goals is to be a good father. I enjoy
art, and one of my goals is to read, hear and see
more of it. I like a large, hot cup of coffee while
watching the dim glow of morning just before
dawn. I love the serenity of canoeing on a sunny
day and the soft crunch of fresh snow beneath my
feet. I enjoy my friends and my family. Atheism
does give life meaning because as an atheist, I
understand this is the only life I’ve got.
4) There Are No Atheists in Foxholes

Yes there are. They even have a website.
Nonetheless there persists among some this belief
that atheism is generally disingenuous and that
everyone cries out to “God” in times of need. This
claim highlights a conflicting epistemology
between the theist who is basing beliefs in part on
fear and need, and the those of us who determine
beliefs based on facts and evidence.
Their assumption also implies that when a theist
cries out “Oh God,” they are literally trying to talk
to “God.” I have several religious family and friends
who say “Oh God” in all sorts of scenarios but are
rarely actually trying to carry on a conversation
with The Almighty. Even a theist saying “Oh God”
in a foxhole is most likely not actually expecting
divine intervention. The phrase is generally used in
the same way as “Oh Shit,” which generally
doesn’t involve any reference to actual shit. Even
so, there are millions of people who’ve
encountered life threatening situations and didn’t
cry out about god, shit or anything else.
5) Atheists Just Hate God

About as much as we hate unicorns. Theists tend
to make this claim when atheists assert moral
opinions about supposed deeds of their deity.
“How can you have opinions about something you
don’t believe in?” The same way we form opinions
about Darth Vader, Willy Wonka or the Wicked
Witch of the West—according to their role within
the story. It doesn’t matter if the story involves a
Sith killing all the Jedi kids or a god killing a
nation’s first born.
Just repeating the claim back usually gets the
point across. Do Christians “hate” Allah? Do
Muslims “hate” Jesus? Do Jews “hate” the FSM?
Not believing in a particular religion is not
dependent on a negative opinion of that religion’s
deity or messiah figure. It’s simply the result of
not being convinced because the burden of proof
has not been met. I personally think Buddha and
Lao Tzu both had great things to say, but I’m not
a Buddhist or a Taoist.
6) Atheists Just Don’t Want to Submit to God

Well, one would first need to provide reason for
believing there is anything to submit to. Lacking
belief in deities doesn’t mean one doesn’t want to
submit to what they don’t believe in. Like number
5, the point can be made rather easily by simply
repeating this back to the theist. Does the Christian
lack belief in Allah just because she doesn’t want
to wear a hijab? Do non Catholics lack belief in
Catholicism simply because they don’t want to
submit to the Pope? Do Muslims lack belief Jesus
was the embodiment of “God” simply because they
want to continue justifying child marriages with the
actions of their so-called prophet?
7) Atheists Are Angry

There once was a time when challenging religion
was considered taboo. Some would like to hold on
to that standard to save their religion from
scrutiny. Those days are over, but that doesn‘t
mean being skeptical of religion means skeptics
are angry.
Being confrontational does not equate to anger. If
someone told you Elvis was spotted buying T-
shirts at K-Mart, their claims would be analyzed,
scrutinized, debunked and in most cases, outright
laughed at. I see no reason why it should be any
different for religious claims.
Atheists Are Responsible for the Worst
Atrocities in History

Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao were all atheists, so
atheism must be responsible for the mass
executions during said reigns—or so the
accusation goes. This statement is usually a retort
to blaming Christianity for the Crusades or Islam
for terrorism. The fact of the matter is there have
been Christians, atheists, Muslims and many
others of different beliefs and non beliefs who have
committed multiple atrocities throughout history.
But there have also been some of the kindest
deeds in history performed by people of all kinds
of belief and non belief.
Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao did not execute people in
the name of atheism, but rather for simply not
submitting to them as if they were gods
themselves. There is a long list of atheist
politicians who never committed atrocities.
Claiming atheism would lead to disastrous
atrocities like those witnessed in the early Soviet
Union is a hasty generalization fallacy which
ignores all the good deeds of decent atheist
politicians throughout time.
9) Atheists Are Guilty of “Scientism”

It must be difficult holding beliefs which cannot be
justified with evidence. This leads some theists to
conclude atheists all subscribe to “scientism.”
This term is meant as an insult against skeptics
for daring to ask for evidence when confronted
with extraordinary claims.
Scientism is a philosophy which holds that science
is the ultimate truth, and that science is the only
way to truth. But preferring science to superstition
doesn’t mean science is always correct. Scientists
are humans and can make mistakes like anyone
else. However, the methodology of science does
work. That doesn’t mean science is the only way
to truth. It just means it’s an effective method of
attaining natural truths.
Many atheists are equally skeptical of science and
religion. My first assignment in my college
statistics class was to find three examples of
misused data in the media. This same task had
been given to each class for over a decade and no
two people ever turned in the same three
examples. I have also studied philosophy,
including philosophy of science, and so I
understand science can be wrong. I have yet to
meet an atheist who believes scientists are
infallible.
10) Atheists Are All Rational and Logical

This is one I hear mostly from other atheists.
Some atheists like to consider themselves more
rational than theists and ask why we should call
ourselves atheists at all, as opposed to calling
ourselves rationalists or some other such term.
But all atheists are not rational. Atheism is simply
the lack of belief in deities. There are atheists who
believe in homeopathy, ancient aliens, 911
conspiracy theories and a host of other completely
irrational ideas unsupported by any stretch of
logic. Just because someone arrived at the rational
non belief in deities does not mean they are
rational about everything else.
www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/lee-myers/ten-common-myths-about-atheists?awt_l=NTakv&awt_m=3_TG_Plx8LWHhWh

1) Atheists Believe Everything Came From Nothing

Many theists believe there was once nothing, and
then there was something—the universe—created
by their god. And so they ask, “But if there is no
god then how can something come from nothing?”
This question has been asked for thousands of
years, but now Quantum physics has provided a
basis for some atheists, such as Lawrence Krauss,
to indeed believe the universe comes from
“nothing.” But Krauss doesn’t speak for all
atheists and he speaks of a very different kind of
“nothing,” the kind where virtual particles are
created from borrowed energy inside a vacuum.
This is not even remotely close to what theists
mean by the term “nothing.”
When asked about the universe, most atheists
simply stop somewhere along the lines of “the
evidence suggests the universe began expanding
approximately 13.77 billion years ago.” Beyond
that I’m fine with “I don’t know.” I don’t need to
know. I do not believe the universe came from
“nothing” in the way theists use the word or in the
way Krauss uses the word. I don‘t think there’s
enough evidence to reach a conclusion yet and
I‘m fine with that. I’ve never met an atheist who
believed everything comes from “nothing“ in the
way theists use the word and in my experience,
only a minority subscribe to the theory Krauss
puts forward. Theists may believe the universe
sprang from nothing, but they then have the
burden of proving there was ever “nothing” and
that “something” requires any gods at all.
2) Atheists Have No Morals

Humans are social beings, and as such we have
morals. Some theists say atheists have no reason
to be moral since we don’t believe in a god to
instruct or punish us. This claim seems rather
disingenuous when one considers that most
theists who say this wouldn’t become immoral
deviants overnight if they suddenly stopped
believing in a god.
Studies have shown our morals are a product of
multiple factors . The Milgram experiment shows
authority plays a major role. The Stanford prison
experiment showed the same, but also displayed
the role of social hierarchy. The “good or evil”
puppet test for babies suggests we are all born
with a basic sense of fairness, justice, and
unfortunately, bigotry. Human morality is too
complex to be explained by religion or lack of it.
Millions of atheists across the globe live moral
lives every day. Some don’t. Neither do some
believers. There are atheist charities and atheist
criminals. There are religious charities and
religious hate groups. Religious people and
atheists can both behave morally or immorally
because of—or wholly independent of—their
religious beliefs. One doesn’t necessarily lead to
the other. Studies have shown the basis of human
morality is present even before we’re exposed to
religion.
3) Atheists Have No Meaning of Life

Even if humanity survives the next 5 billion years
on this planet, the sun will balloon into a red giant,
boil and possibly devour the earth before exploding
and blasting out through the cosmos. The universe
will continue to expand at an increasing rate, and
eventually the force of gravity will be too weak for
any new stars or planets to form. The universe will
whither and die.
Some theists consider this and think without belief
in an afterlife, nothing really matters in this life.
Believing in an afterlife can influence one’s
meaning of life, but a meaning of life doesn’t
require belief in an afterlife. Some theists refer to
Nietzsche’s nihilism as if Nietzsche were the be-
all and end-all of existentialist philosophy. But
humans generally define our meaning in the
moments we enjoy and the goals we set. This was
probably best articulated by Albert Camus in The
Myth of Sisyphus.
I enjoy every moment I spend with my daughter,
and one of my goals is to be a good father. I enjoy
art, and one of my goals is to read, hear and see
more of it. I like a large, hot cup of coffee while
watching the dim glow of morning just before
dawn. I love the serenity of canoeing on a sunny
day and the soft crunch of fresh snow beneath my
feet. I enjoy my friends and my family. Atheism
does give life meaning because as an atheist, I
understand this is the only life I’ve got.
4) There Are No Atheists in Foxholes

Yes there are. They even have a website.
Nonetheless there persists among some this belief
that atheism is generally disingenuous and that
everyone cries out to “God” in times of need. This
claim highlights a conflicting epistemology
between the theist who is basing beliefs in part on
fear and need, and the those of us who determine
beliefs based on facts and evidence.
Their assumption also implies that when a theist
cries out “Oh God,” they are literally trying to talk
to “God.” I have several religious family and friends
who say “Oh God” in all sorts of scenarios but are
rarely actually trying to carry on a conversation
with The Almighty. Even a theist saying “Oh God”
in a foxhole is most likely not actually expecting
divine intervention. The phrase is generally used in
the same way as “Oh Shit,” which generally
doesn’t involve any reference to actual shit. Even
so, there are millions of people who’ve
encountered life threatening situations and didn’t
cry out about god, shit or anything else.
5) Atheists Just Hate God

About as much as we hate unicorns. Theists tend
to make this claim when atheists assert moral
opinions about supposed deeds of their deity.
“How can you have opinions about something you
don’t believe in?” The same way we form opinions
about Darth Vader, Willy Wonka or the Wicked
Witch of the West—according to their role within
the story. It doesn’t matter if the story involves a
Sith killing all the Jedi kids or a god killing a
nation’s first born.
Just repeating the claim back usually gets the
point across. Do Christians “hate” Allah? Do
Muslims “hate” Jesus? Do Jews “hate” the FSM?
Not believing in a particular religion is not
dependent on a negative opinion of that religion’s
deity or messiah figure. It’s simply the result of
not being convinced because the burden of proof
has not been met. I personally think Buddha and
Lao Tzu both had great things to say, but I’m not
a Buddhist or a Taoist.
6) Atheists Just Don’t Want to Submit to God

Well, one would first need to provide reason for
believing there is anything to submit to. Lacking
belief in deities doesn’t mean one doesn’t want to
submit to what they don’t believe in. Like number
5, the point can be made rather easily by simply
repeating this back to the theist. Does the Christian
lack belief in Allah just because she doesn’t want
to wear a hijab? Do non Catholics lack belief in
Catholicism simply because they don’t want to
submit to the Pope? Do Muslims lack belief Jesus
was the embodiment of “God” simply because they
want to continue justifying child marriages with the
actions of their so-called prophet?
7) Atheists Are Angry

There once was a time when challenging religion
was considered taboo. Some would like to hold on
to that standard to save their religion from
scrutiny. Those days are over, but that doesn‘t
mean being skeptical of religion means skeptics
are angry.
Being confrontational does not equate to anger. If
someone told you Elvis was spotted buying T-
shirts at K-Mart, their claims would be analyzed,
scrutinized, debunked and in most cases, outright
laughed at. I see no reason why it should be any
different for religious claims.
Atheists Are Responsible for the Worst
Atrocities in History

Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao were all atheists, so
atheism must be responsible for the mass
executions during said reigns—or so the
accusation goes. This statement is usually a retort
to blaming Christianity for the Crusades or Islam
for terrorism. The fact of the matter is there have
been Christians, atheists, Muslims and many
others of different beliefs and non beliefs who have
committed multiple atrocities throughout history.
But there have also been some of the kindest
deeds in history performed by people of all kinds
of belief and non belief.
Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao did not execute people in
the name of atheism, but rather for simply not
submitting to them as if they were gods
themselves. There is a long list of atheist
politicians who never committed atrocities.
Claiming atheism would lead to disastrous
atrocities like those witnessed in the early Soviet
Union is a hasty generalization fallacy which
ignores all the good deeds of decent atheist
politicians throughout time.
9) Atheists Are Guilty of “Scientism”

It must be difficult holding beliefs which cannot be
justified with evidence. This leads some theists to
conclude atheists all subscribe to “scientism.”
This term is meant as an insult against skeptics
for daring to ask for evidence when confronted
with extraordinary claims.
Scientism is a philosophy which holds that science
is the ultimate truth, and that science is the only
way to truth. But preferring science to superstition
doesn’t mean science is always correct. Scientists
are humans and can make mistakes like anyone
else. However, the methodology of science does
work. That doesn’t mean science is the only way
to truth. It just means it’s an effective method of
attaining natural truths.
Many atheists are equally skeptical of science and
religion. My first assignment in my college
statistics class was to find three examples of
misused data in the media. This same task had
been given to each class for over a decade and no
two people ever turned in the same three
examples. I have also studied philosophy,
including philosophy of science, and so I
understand science can be wrong. I have yet to
meet an atheist who believes scientists are
infallible.
10) Atheists Are All Rational and Logical

This is one I hear mostly from other atheists.
Some atheists like to consider themselves more
rational than theists and ask why we should call
ourselves atheists at all, as opposed to calling
ourselves rationalists or some other such term.
But all atheists are not rational. Atheism is simply
the lack of belief in deities. There are atheists who
believe in homeopathy, ancient aliens, 911
conspiracy theories and a host of other completely
irrational ideas unsupported by any stretch of
logic. Just because someone arrived at the rational
non belief in deities does not mean they are
rational about everything else.
www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/lee-myers/ten-common-myths-about-atheists?awt_l=NTakv&awt_m=3_TG_Plx8LWHhWh

he cant be removed is different from he can't be sacked.. the man is right,

am happy my vote is not a wasted one... congrat LANICKY

johnydon22:
I have noticed threads with "atheist/atheism" are now more frequent than ones with "god/religion" on this board.

that's encouraging...

i think am the only one noticing that

i vote LANICKY CC NLJEGA

the state govt should charge him and stop making noise

mrZENographer:
You may have been drunk at the time of typing that statement. Pls try again.

Is it a question?
They dont. They are healed and have their doctors report of before and after. Sonetimes its too good to be true. Tgey have to go to 3-5 hospitals before their doctor finally believes.

abeg wipe that lie away from your mouth, i don't know why u people like lying like say tomorrow no dey.

Satan commit no sin. read ur bible very well and you will see that Satan only act on god's instuction

please is this how opposition is been played?

BABANGBALI:
who tolded you sey dem no dey bath for heaven? Where you think say rain water dey come from?you no know say when dem don bath finish for heaven and dem throw the water wey dem take bath finish na him rain dey fall for here and when dem mess there na him we dey hear thunder for here.

hey! chineke ebere dike o... so na heaven piss we dey drink since? as from today i will never drink water again. thank you for letting me know may Ogun bless you

BABANGBALI:
as him no dey there maybe him no get room for there. Na maybe I talk o or him dey bath wen dem dey take the photo

na lie. dem no dey bath for heaven, if u say na stars dey welcome stars i for gree... but at least i expect him to be Michael Jackson's manager in heaven because he left a week before Michael Jackson and then i tot he left because of him(jackson)

they should come aso rock to search for him whenever he's back instead of London

I will only believe it is the heaven if i can see my father's pix there... ha ha heaven na for stars alone?

ifex370:
Atheist will be looking for any reason to get on Christians nerve..


No matter what you say.. How hard you try.. Yahwey remains God Almighty.. And Jesus re.aims Lord.. End of discussion

and Allah is mightier than Yahweh while Zeus is the mightiest

KingEbukaNaija:
An idea that converses and even responds to requests

it is possible through indoctrination and that is what atheist stand against especially an agnostic like me and this is what make it look like we hate god. give me a concrete evidence then i will take it and stop reciting a book without no source to me

no atheist can hate your god because it is just your own imagination. it only exist in your brain, it is an idea

Suleiman has been deceiving the gullible Nigerians right from the time of immemorial

it has not been effective and will never be effective

Splinz:
What's this clown saying? One wonders if it's the mindless looting of River's treasury for Buhari's election that you want the people to praise you for.

you just conclude on what you have no iota of evidence to back up and u call yourself a christian?

malvisguy212:
has atheism block your sense of reasoning ? I wept for you, so after the father has commanded the son NOT to go out at night, the son disobey and got attack by robbers, you will blame the father ? Are you guys insane ? Smh

armed robber will attack the person and not the father unlike god that will burn the person. beside, with the power you people claimed your god have if and he allow robbers attack the person then such a god has given such a child a condition and to me he deserve not to be a father. so open ur brain and stop reading bible because it will always block your reasoning

Scholar8200:
So, a law such as,"dont stay out late at night" given because the father knows the dangers that the child might be exposed to is a sign of a conditional love?

if such a father is omni omni according to your bible then it is still conditional, your omniscient god foreknown this event and he even know the child will still disobey but seize to act despite his potency as omnipotent god? such a love is still conditional. he foreknown and still warn but seize to do anything despite the power he has? then it is conditional

Scholar8200:
I dont think so. Rather it is a sign of love. If the child disobeys and gets attacked, will you count that a punishment from the father?

remember this is a man that know everything and can do anything. if i were to be a father like ur acclaimed god nothing will hurt my child because i will use my power to protect them but if i seize to do that despite my power to do anything then i deserve not to be a father

Scholar8200:
Rather I see it as an expression of love that realizes that there are more than just you too in the whole universe and not all loves the child just as the father does! Besides the father's unconditional love calls for the rebuke. The father does not rebuke the son so that the latter would change and become lovable; he rebukes because he loves the son so much and would not bear to watch him destroy himself!

You rebuke your brother because you love him, crystal clear!

Not that you rebuke your brother so that he can become lovable when he changes. This is clear enough.

see next time you people want to describe your god stop using human as an example, this ur god has power as you people have claimed while human dont have.

Scholar8200:
This your definition of love looks like love has no room for truth!

if of has a room for truth then it will be stated and in such a case we don't call such a love unconditional, but a conditional love. if you love your child unconditionally you don't need to give such a child law since if he/she err u cant hurt or punish the child because irrespective of the condition you will always love the child

Scholar8200:
Would you consider a father unloving if he whacks/sternly rebukes a son bent on following the path of self-destruction? Love expresses itself, among others, by rebuke , correction and instruction for the good of the receiver.

i wont, but i will call such a love a conditional one and the proper one because such a father must have let the child know the conditions involve and the penalties

Scholar8200:
17 [size=15pt]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart[/size]: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Leviticus 19:17

these are conditions and whoever wrote it for his/her child before loving such a child has given conditions and we can no more call it unconditional love.
so if god exist and love it is unconditional

a god that love unconditionally don't need law or doctrine and will never judge anybody

felixomor:
There is nothing intelligent in atheism
An atheist sees a beautiful car working and moving smoothly and concludes it was made in a factory by a company
An atheist sees a well designed piece of furniture and concludes it was constructed by a skilled carpenter
An atheist sees a computer that stores, analyzes and processes data and acknowledges the works of people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs

And so many more.

yes because the producer can come out and show us how he/she did it and from there we can conclude

felixomor:
But here is the foolish part
An atheist sees a universe made up of billions of systems (both biologic and non biologic) all working simultaneously in syynchronized patterns and rhythms and yet the atheist concludes that these things came to be by chance.

Conclusion: An atheist is foolish
Its better to even say "he doesnt know". Than to boldly say "God doesnt exist"

you need to know what atheism mean before coming online to showcase ur ignorance about atheism. if something must come out from something and if god must be behind the universe then something must be behind ur god

malvisguy212:
has atheism block your sense of reasoning ? What is the source of this power ? Don't this power prove, their are supernatural and higher power contrary to what atheist claim ?

atheism cant block anybody's sense of reasoning because it is not a religion, so i think the question can be for you and not me.
magic is a mystery to you doesn't make you to conclude it's god or evil that is behind it, just say i don't understand then others can study it further and draw a plausible conclusion that everybody will agree on. go on YouTube and type criss angel magic you will see magic you have never seen in your life there and criss is an atheist he will even tell you it is a trick. also, you cant say magic's source is devil when that devil itself is a claim like god you have not proved its existence so u have to firstly prove the existence of devil then prove the magic and from there you show us how both relate. telling us u see something mystery to you and god or devil is behind it without a prove is still a claim

malvisguy212:
has atheism block your sense of reasoning ? What is the source of this power ? Don't this power prove, their are supernatural and higher power contrary to what atheist claim ?

atheism cant block anybody's sense of reasoning because it is not a religion, so i think the question can be for you and not me.
magic is a mystery to you doesn't make you to conclude it's god or evil that is behind it, just say i don't understand then others can study it further and draw a plausible conclusion that everybody will agree on. go on YouTube and type criss angel magic you will see magic you have never seen in your life there and criss is an atheist he will even tell you it is a trick. also, you cant say magic's source is devil when that devil itself is a claim like god you have not proved its existence so u have to firstly prove the existence of devil then prove the magic and from there you show us how both relate. telling us u see something mystery to you and god is behind it without a prove is still a claim

"there is magic then there is god"
"opc members was shop and the bullet didn't penetrate then there is devil therefore there is god"
how can you just conclude like that? instead say i don't know how it happen so that others can unravel what you may think is a mystery behind it.