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TenQ:
That is not the point.

Is it untrue that
More Islamic clerics pray for the Rich and Influential in Islam?

Why is this ?
What is the fate of the Poor and Downtrodden?

What is?

Of what significance is earthly ordinance to acceptance of prayer? If the poor has many who silently pray for him or her will this be ineffective because they are not recognised clergy?

The best of people in the sight of Allah are not those with the most wealth, but those with the most God-consciousness, righteous deeds, good character, and sincere devotion to Him.

You have expressed about what you see and hear physically but so much you don't know about between Allah and his creation.

The Prophet pbuh said:
The poor will enter Paradise five hundred years before the rich among the Muslims. al-Tirmidhi

Poverty is not dishonor; rather, many of the pious were poor in material life but rich in faith

TenQ:
I watch news o!
The richer and the more influential you are, the more the Islamic Sheikhs hired to pray for the repose of his soul.

Buhari is lucky just like Dantata who had the privilege to be buried in Medina

It seems you feel every occurrence is news worthy and makes the news.

Where is it stated that only prayers that make the news or said by sheikh that are granted?

TenQ:
Let me gie you an example of your distortion of the Quran
In Al-Fatiha,
Is the correct statement
Master of the day of Judgement
OR
King of the day of Judgement


Which of the TWO aboe did Allah Reveal?
You have used your tongue to distort "Maliki Yawmi-d-Din" to "Malik Yawmi-d-Din"
Now, no muslim know the exact original dictated by Jibril


You are the one required to prove this not me!
Just show me the names of the 7 Ahruf and the Quran of these seen Ahruf

You cant find them!?



Allah has a book, Jiril revealed the book to Mohammed BUT you rearranged the whole verses like a book that became unbounded and wind scattered them all over.

Who authorised the rearrangement of the Quran?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?

Allah authorised the arrangement not rearrangement of the Quran. This was done and passed on in instructions to the prophet who passed it on to his companions.

The reason why and the reason for the other hafs not being easily available is well known by you.

Zaid was asked to collect and compile not rearrange.

The Uthmanic standardization helped to unify the written form and limited recitation to just one harf to avoid any confusion. However, you can still find traces of the Ahruf in the authentic recitations (qiraat).

The ordering of the verses of the Quran was from Allah through Jibril to the prophet pbuh. The Quran was revised between Jibril and the prophet twice

Gabriel used to repeat the recitation of the Qur'an with the Prophet pbuh once a year, but he repeated it twice with him in the year he died. The Prophet pbuh used to stay in I`tikaf for ten days every year (in the month of Ramadan), but in the year of his death, he stayed in I`tikaf for twenty days. Bukhari 4998

The Prophet himself used to instruct the scribes of revelation: ‘Place this verse in the surah which mentions such and such.. (Al-Itqan, Vol 1, pg. 58)

The arrangement of verses and surahs in the Qur’an was done by the Prophet pbuh under divine instruction... It is not permissible to change this order by ijtihād. (Al-Burhan, Vol 1, pg. 259)

Both are revealed and correct showing accepted complementary meanings which do not contradict. These embrace some of the concept of the 7 modes

TenQ:
In Islam, the Rich and Powerful are guaranteed paradise because a lot of people can be hired to pray for them.

Lucky you Buhari that people are praying for Allah to have Mercy on you!

Are you the record keeper of prayers to know who is prayed for? You believe all prayers must be publicised by the media?

TenQ:
Nice verse!
But it fits the Qur'an like a Glove!

Qur'an 3:78
"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, 'This is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know."


Distortion with the Mouth:
One Ahruf from Jibril multiplies to SEVEN and each one of these had 10 Qira'at

Distortion by changing the position of words
First revelation Surah 96
Second revelation Surah 68
Third Revelation Surah 76
Fourth revelation Surah 74

The whole Qur'an was displaced from the order in which Allah sent it. And Allah NEVER gave any instructions to that effect.

Qur'an 2:75
“Do you hope that they would believe you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort it [i.e., change the position of the words] after they had understood it while they were knowing?”

Don't you see how this suits you?

Qur’an 3:78 talks about a group among the People of the Book (namely some Jews and Christians) who intentionally twist their scriptures by using their tongues in such a way that a lie sounds like a truth coming from God. The verse condemns such a deception, where they pretend, “This is from Allah,” but it fact they are not and they give a lie to Allah knowingly. The situation of nearby verses and the primary tafsir agree that this is the reference to certain religious leaders who changed the Torah or the Gospel in order to lead others astray. The verse reaffirms the Qur’an as the source of the authentic revelation and its request to turn away from fabricated distortions.

Can you prove the ahrufs weren't relayed by Jibril?

The wisdom in how different parts of the Quran were revealed before it's appropriate composition is beyond you or you deliberately try to make a case where there isn't based on what you think should be?

Ken4Christ:
But Quran says that no one will escape hell including the Muslims. But he will later deliver the faithful ones out of it. So, where did you get assurance of salvation? Muhammed in the Hadith said he will be the first to cross the ladder of hell.

Your issue is with a preferred misunderstanding of the perfect justice of Allah. Some will have no feel in approaching it and some will have some feel as is justified.

Look up the ease and speed with which some will cross the bridge and how this may affect them.

Bring drawn away from hell and entered into paradise doesn't translate to an escape? Please define what you understand by escape in this regard.

Ken4Christ:
But Quran says that no one will escape hell including the Muslims. But he will later deliver the faithful ones out of it. So, where did you get assurance of salvation? Muhammed in the Hadith said he will be the first to cross the ladder of hell.

So sorry you don't know that whoever is drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, he has truly succeeded."
(Surah Āli ʿImrān 3:185)

Keep sticking with a misconstrued interpretation and disregard of the other verses.

advocatejare:
Quran 46:9
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

To interpret these statements as reflections on the Day of Judgment is grossly insufficient given the Quran's assurances for believers' ultimate fate in Paradise.
Furthermore, the possibility of new divine commandments at that time signifies a continual evolution of guidance. When was this verse revealed in relation to the others? Thus, the essence of these phrases lies in embracing the unknown while maintaining faith in divine wisdom.

advocatejare:
Continuation of Muhammad not knowing his fate:

Muhammad did not know his fate salvation in Islam
Sahih al-Bukhari 3929
Narrated 'Um Al-`Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. `Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um Al-`Ala's family), `Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! But who else is worthy of it (if not `Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for `Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds."

"...By Allah, even I do not know what will be done to me."
— (Sahih al-Bukhari 3929)

At first glance, this might seem to imply some uncertainty about his ultimate fate, but we need to unpack that a bit, especially when we consider other verses, the humility of the Prophet, and the gradual unfolding of divine knowledge.

The Prophet pbuh made this remark during his early days in Madinah, before later revelations clearly affirmed his place in Jannah. At that time:

He was imparting a vital lesson: no one should claim absolute certainty about the unseen (ghayb) unless it has been revealed by Allah.

He was also addressing an emotional exaggeration from Umm al-ʿAlā’ who declared, "I testify Allah has honored you."

His statement showcases prophetic humility rather than personal doubt.

Later in the Qur’an, Allah explicitly reassures the Prophet about his ultimate reward and status:

> "Indeed, We have given you a clear conquest, that Allah may forgive you your past and future sins..."
— Surah al-Fatḥ (48:1–2)

> "...And your Lord will surely give you until you are satisfied."
— Surah ad-Ḍuḥā (93:5)

> "Indeed, Allah and His angels send blessings upon the Prophet..."
— Surah al-Aḥzāb (33:56)

> "And the Hereafter is better for you than the first [life]."
— Surah ad-Ḍuḥā (93:4)

Gabrielshow24:
🤦🏾‍♂️Keeping telling yourself that😂😂. At least, it will make you sleep better at night🤤.

Allah Indeed wonders 😂!

More importantly the message is delivered and understood

Allah's wonder is not in ignorance but disapproval of continued unbelief despite clear signs. Also the consequence of disbelief.

Enjoy your week

Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the master of distraction graces us with yet another round of 'focus, clown!' 🤡 It’s rich coming from someone who seems to have lost sight of the actual discussion. You’re so eager to dismiss the relevance of Qalun and Hamza that you’ve conveniently overlooked the fact that they’re part of the broader conversation about Qira’at traditions.

You claim to be all about clarity, yet here you are, shifting the focus away from the very screenshots that illustrate the differences between Hafs and Warsh. Isn’t it a bit hypocritical to criticize others for not staying on topic while you’re the one dodging the core issue? If you’re so keen on relevance, why not address the evidence presented instead of nitpicking at the periphery?

And let’s talk about your interpretation of Surah 37:12. You say the terms Ajibtu and Ajibta are complementary, which is a lovely way to dress up a contradiction. It’s almost as if you’re trying to play both sides to fit your narrative—much like someone else we know who had a knack for bending the truth to suit his agenda.

So, tell me, how does it help your argument to focus on other versions visible in the screenshot instead of the very point you’re trying to make? It’s like trying to argue about the color of a car while pointing out the trees in the background! 🌳🚗

In the end, your attempts to undermine the discussion only reveal your own intellectual dishonesty. If you want to engage in a meaningful debate, perhaps it’s time to step out of the shadows of distraction and actually address the points at hand. Otherwise, you might just find yourself echoing the same old lines, much like a certain historical figure who was known for his selective interpretations. 🤔

Aha the actual intent behind the inclusion. Why were you too timid to say before? So you most definitely were pretending. Kai go for more and better training.

You need to bring Qalun and Hamzah to show your misconception of difference between Hafs and Warsh? So in essence you subtly acknowledge how mistaken your arguments are. Pitiful!

The term ʿAjibta (عَجِبْتَ) reflects how you, the Prophet (pbuh), marvel at the human experience. It captures the moment when the Prophet witnesses the ridiculousness of the disbelievers mocking the truth, and it leaves him in awe. This emphasizes his role as a witness to the actions of humanity.

On the other hand, ʿAjibtu (عَجِبْتُ) conveys Allah's perspective, where He expresses a sense of wonder in a way that transcends human emotion at the arrogance and ridicule displayed by those who ignore clear signs. This potrayal underscores Allah’s disapproval and condemnation of the mockery of polytheists and disbelievers.

Together, these expressions create a rich, multi-layered spiritual perspective. The Prophet (pbuh) experiences a mix of awe, sorrow, and shock in response to disbelief, while Allah highlights the seriousness and absurdity of that disbelief from His all-knowing vantage point. It is Allah's disapproval.

Then Qalun and Hamzah portray this in another light with the use of عَجِبُوا, ajibuu

The disbelievers are surprised and find it strange that a resurrection will happen after death. School of thought being it all ends at death. They wonder not in admiration but mocking disbelief as they think the idea is absurd, so they ridicule it.

Do you not marvel how one word pronounced in different ways portray different meanings from different angles that centre at the same gist.

Each reading invites different emotional and theological reflections, all valid and reinforcing the same core truth through divine linguistic richness.

Glad that despite your disdain you have learnt something.

Gabrielshow24:
Ah, I see we’re diving deep into the intricacies of Qur'anic recitation! But really, brother, ewww, what’s that? 😂 Your argument is like a poorly edited meme—confusing and a bit cringe-worthy!

My friend! I’ve got the Hafs version with the Qalun version right underneath it. You can also check the third Image, I even snagged a screenshot of the Warsh version for good measure. 🤕

You can’t hide from the evidence, no matter how much you try to dance around it! This back-and-forth is more entertaining than a comedy show! 😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Focus clown. The discussion is about Hafs and Warsh so tell us what relevance is including pictures of Qalun and Hamza?

Too lazy to properly stay within the terms of discussion or you want to use it to buttress your misplaced point.

The terms Ajibtu and Ajibta found in recitals of Surah 37:12 aren’t contradictory; instead, they showcase complementary meanings that come from various Qira’at traditions. Both interpretations are divinely revealed and enhance our grasp of the verse, all while keeping its essential message and theological integrity intact.

Where it is interpreted as Allah says “I wonder,” it reflects divine astonishment at human behavior—not due to ignorance but as an expression of disapproval, highlighting their irrationality.

I asked and you ignore?

Ohyoudidnt:
Show clown @Gabrielshow24 let me ask you if you will answer does the Christian concept of God know everything?

You chose not to answer or don't know?

Perhaps what you typed here

Gabrielshow24:
God forbid, I should be a liar like Mohammed 😂😂😂.

"" " بَلۡ عَجِبۡتَ وَيَسۡخَرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:12﴾ وَاِذَا ذُكِّرُوۡا لَا يَذۡكُرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:13﴾ وَاِذَا رَاَوۡا اٰيَةً يَّسۡتَسۡخِرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:14﴾ وَقَالُوۡۤا اِنۡ هٰذَاۤ اِلَّا سِحۡرٌ مُّبِيۡنٌ ۖۚ‏ ﴿37:15﴾ ءَاِذَا مِتۡنَا وَكُـنَّا تُرَابًا وَّعِظَامًا ءَاِنَّا لَمَبۡعُوۡثُوۡنَۙ‏  ﴿37:16﴾ اَوَاٰبَآؤُنَا الۡاَوَّلُوۡنَؕ‏ ﴿37:17﴾ قُلۡ نَعَمۡ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ دٰخِرُوۡنَۚ‏ ﴿37:18" ""

(37:12) You marvel (at the wondrous creations of Allah) and they scoff at it, (37:13) and when they are admonished, they pay no heed; (37:14) and if they see any Sign, they laugh it away (37:15) and say: “This is nothing but plain sorcery

You will find the Warsh version attached.

For the various textual variants, viewers are free to consult this link:
https://www.nquran.com/ar/ayacompare/?sora=37&aya=12

Has it as Allah marveled?
I see how overwhelmed you are to present your argument clearly.

Explain the relevance of pictures consisting of Hamzah and Qalun to the discussion on Warsh and Hafs?

You cannot separate them?
Really?

Gabrielshow24:
Oh, the hypocrisy is rich coming from you! You claim to seek clarity while you’re the one tangled in a web of contradictions. Yes, there are differences in pronunciation between Hafs and Warsh, but you seem to be conveniently ignoring the fact that I’ve already placed them side by side—both in text and in pictorial representation! 📜🖼️

Your insistence that I didn’t do this is just another desperate attempt to deflect from your own ignorance. It’s almost comical how you accuse me of downplaying Hamza and Qalun when you were the one who initially dismissed them! You can’t just cherry-pick your arguments and then act surprised when they crumble under scrutiny. 🍒💥

And let’s talk about your so-called 'concise and clear' Quran. Yes, it accommodates different styles, but that doesn’t negate the fact that the differences between Hafs and Warsh are significant and well-documented. Your attempt to belittle my arguments as 'foolery' only highlights your inability to engage with the actual content.

You lecture me on the nuances of Arabic and the context of translations, yet you fail to grasp that the same applies to your own arguments! Just because English borrows from many languages doesn’t mean it lacks depth; it simply reflects the richness of human communication.

So, while you wish me a 'quick and sustained recovery,' perhaps you should focus on your own intellectual health. It’s clear you’re the one in need of a cure for your delusions! Keep trying, though; every time you swing and miss, you only make this more entertaining! 😂🎤

My goodness! Please quote your post where you put Warsh and Hafs side by pictorialy and in words on this thread if you are honest.

I accused you of downplaying Hamza and Qalun? Seems you are very much more confused

Did you not type?

Gabrielshow24:
God forbid, I should be a liar like Mohammed 😂😂😂.

"" " بَلۡ عَجِبۡتَ وَيَسۡخَرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:12﴾ وَاِذَا ذُكِّرُوۡا لَا يَذۡكُرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:13﴾ وَاِذَا رَاَوۡا اٰيَةً يَّسۡتَسۡخِرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:14﴾ وَقَالُوۡۤا اِنۡ هٰذَاۤ اِلَّا سِحۡرٌ مُّبِيۡنٌ ۖۚ‏ ﴿37:15﴾ ءَاِذَا مِتۡنَا وَكُـنَّا تُرَابًا وَّعِظَامًا ءَاِنَّا لَمَبۡعُوۡثُوۡنَۙ‏  ﴿37:16﴾ اَوَاٰبَآؤُنَا الۡاَوَّلُوۡنَؕ‏ ﴿37:17﴾ قُلۡ نَعَمۡ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ دٰخِرُوۡنَۚ‏ ﴿37:18" ""

(37:12) You marvel (at the wondrous creations of Allah) and they scoff at it, (37:13) and when they are admonished, they pay no heed; (37:14) and if they see any Sign, they laugh it away (37:15) and say: “This is nothing but plain sorcery

You will find the Warsh version attached.

For the various textual variants, viewers are free to consult this link:
https://www.nquran.com/ar/ayacompare/?sora=37&aya=12

Show clown @Gabrielshow24 let me ask you if you will answer does the Christian concept of God know everything?

Gabrielshow24:
Oh, the irony of you calling me confused while you’re the one tangled in a web of contradictions! 🤡 It’s almost impressive how you’ve managed to turn a simple discussion into a psychological evaluation—too bad you’re not qualified for that either!

Let’s break it down: you claim I’m hiding flaws, yet it’s you who’s desperately trying to mask your own ignorance with baseless insults. The difference between Hafs and Warsh is not just a figment of my imagination; it’s a well-documented fact that you seem determined to ignore.

And your attempt to dismiss Qalun and Hamza al-Kisai as irrelevant is laughable! Just because they’re not your go-to examples doesn’t mean they lack significance. It’s clear you’re grasping at straws, trying to salvage your argument while drowning in your own contradictions.

So, while you’re busy diagnosing me, maybe take a good look in the mirror. The only clown here is the one who can’t see the glaring evidence right in front of him! 🎪💥

Oh really? There are some differences between Hafs and Warsh for good reason including how words are pronounced (dialects) though they are both authentic however in Quran 37:12 this isn't the lies you portray. You were asked to place Hafs and Warsh recitals side by side which you all but not did or did you?

You say I downplay Hamza and Qalun yet it is clear that these were not mentioned by you in your original ignorant yet arrogant arguments. Bringing them in doesn't even help you as they are not strange to Muslims so you share or discover nothing to aid your foolery.

Gabrielshow24:
Resorting to Straw man😂😂😂—sign of a defeated fool.
Till now you are yet to tell us who was surprised🤔—ALLAH or Mohammed 😈.

Everyone can clearly see your elusions regarding this simple question🤔. It's just so pathetic 🤧

The Quran that was supposed to be concise, clear, decisive and explained all things besmeared by the intellectual defense of a two year old😂.

If you like turn a blind eye to the Quran version name, "Warsh on the authority of Nafi", on the site😂😂. All can see the English translation 🤧,no need for long talk. You go explain tire, even if Allah comes down to aid you, himself go explain tire🤕.

Surely the Quran is concise and clear even up to the extent of accommodating different styles that cater for dialect variations.

You obviously do not lack the knowledge and skills to place the Warsh an Nafi and Hafs directly beside each other but it seems I forget your limitations.

How can you use English; that borrows from so many other languages, to justify your stupidity? Are the translations in English absolute? No.

Can there be different translations of the some sematic word in arabic? Yes and the sentence environment/context the word is used in does this.

Arabic words can take on different meanings depending on the context of the sentence. This means that translators need to pay attention not just to the literal meanings of words, but also to the practical implications that come into play in specific situations.

You label my arguments straw man but fail to break the straws and invalidate the argument.


Too bad, I wish you quick and sustained recovery but cannot cure you.

Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the irony of your 'stupid reasoning' claim! After a '30-minute'🤧 hiatus to educate yourself, you return with the same tired arguments—talk about a masterclass in futility! 🤦‍♂️ And let’s not forget the glaring fact that the phrase 'Warsh on the authority of Nafi' is clearly visible in the third image. But I guess turning a blind eye to evidence is just part of your charm! Keep digging, my friend; the deeper you go, the more entertaining this becomes! 😂🔍

All this to hide your flaw?

You have a lot jumbled up and are so confused. Sadly my person is none of a neurologist, neuro psychologist or other psychologist. Get yourself checked and treated.

I initially thought your problem was poor schooling but now know that it psychological or is it spiritual?

It is definitely not a lie that you say Hafs and Warsh use different words portraying surprise but the reality shows otherwise you show clown.

Now you try to parry to Qalun and Hamzah al kisali but this does you no good as the former is mainly used Qālūn in Libya and Tunisia while the latter is studied mainly by scholars and not used in widespread daily recitation.

Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the irony of your 'stupid reasoning' claim! After a '30-minute'🤧 hiatus to educate yourself, you return with the same tired arguments—talk about a masterclass in futility! 🤦‍♂️ And let’s not forget the glaring fact that the phrase 'Warsh on the authority of Nafi' is clearly visible in the third image. But I guess turning a blind eye to evidence is just part of your charm! Keep digging, my friend; the deeper you go, the more entertaining this becomes! 😂🔍

How stupid is pointing the truth that you falsely and wrongly attribute word or phrase difference between Hafs and Warsh when there isn't.

Your attempt to correct yourself by bringing in Qalun and Hamza is even worse as you are attempting to replace history?

Worse too is your inability to comprehend the rich arabic language and it's use of metaphorical statement which I have explained earlier.

Carry on in arrogant ignorance John Bull the clown

You see how stupid your reasoning is Johnbull. Did you or did you not categorically say that Hafs and Warsh portray different things?




Gabrielshow24:
Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

Gabrielshow24:
I am not like your prophet!

Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

There also plethora of other discrepancies!
This is beyond dialectics!

This is what you say. Is this not why you started to step back when I asked you to present the full verses of each in Arabic?

When did Hafs or Warsh turn into other Qiraats or you flip one for the other with an undiscerning audience?

Gabrielshow24:
Ah, the irony! You’re asking for evidence while conveniently ignoring the pictures and links I’ve already provided showcasing both the Hafs and Warsh versions of the Quran. It’s almost as if you’re impervious to facts! And let’s not forget, there are even more versions that split on the very identity of your book’s supposed 'astonishment.' So, while you’re busy digging that hole, I’ll be over here, basking in the glorious light of actual evidence! 🌟

You see how you like to broadcast your ignorance?

Where and How is Qalun and Hamza al Kisali equal to Warsh?

You see your stupidity in black and white?

Gabrielshow24:
God forbid, I should be a liar like Mohammed 😂😂😂.

"" " بَلۡ عَجِبۡتَ وَيَسۡخَرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:12﴾ وَاِذَا ذُكِّرُوۡا لَا يَذۡكُرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:13﴾ وَاِذَا رَاَوۡا اٰيَةً يَّسۡتَسۡخِرُوۡنَ‏ ﴿37:14﴾ وَقَالُوۡۤا اِنۡ هٰذَاۤ اِلَّا سِحۡرٌ مُّبِيۡنٌ ۖۚ‏ ﴿37:15﴾ ءَاِذَا مِتۡنَا وَكُـنَّا تُرَابًا وَّعِظَامًا ءَاِنَّا لَمَبۡعُوۡثُوۡنَۙ‏  ﴿37:16﴾ اَوَاٰبَآؤُنَا الۡاَوَّلُوۡنَؕ‏ ﴿37:17﴾ قُلۡ نَعَمۡ وَاَنۡـتُمۡ دٰخِرُوۡنَۚ‏ ﴿37:18" ""

(37:12) You marvel (at the wondrous creations of Allah) and they scoff at it, (37:13) and when they are admonished, they pay no heed; (37:14) and if they see any Sign, they laugh it away (37:15) and say: “This is nothing but plain sorcery

You will find the Warsh version attached.

For the various textual variants, viewers are free to consult this link:
https://www.nquran.com/ar/ayacompare/?sora=37&aya=12

Hamza Al-Kisai and Warsh are two different Qirā’āt

Did you not type?

Gabrielshow24:
I am not like your prophet!

Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

There also plethora of other discrepancies!
This is beyond dialectics!

I have asked you to show me Hafs and Warsh in arabic to see the different recitals where is Hamza Al Kisal coming from? Is it = to Hafs or Warsh?

Silly boy. You have just put out a clown display.

Gabrielshow24:
Isn't it amusing? A grown man—albeit somewhat educated—struggles to pinpoint the subject of 'astonishment' and resorts to a vague theme as a childlike excuse for scripture. Talk about a masterclass in intellectual gymnastics! Truly pathetic, yet somehow entertaining! 😂😂😂

First take your own advice and place the hafs and Warsh version of the Quran alongside each other. I like to see you prove your case in black and white not bogus mouth running. Call your friends and teachers to help you out of the hole you worked right in to.

There's nothing vague in leading a wise but stupid blind man to the hole he dug up himself.

Gabrielshow24:
Really? 😂😂😂.
Then both you and your Quran are liars!

When the supposed word of Allah says he wonders then some wannabe prophet Muhammad says otherwise 😂😂😂.

There is no length you won't go to keep this sham of a religion 😂😂😂.
For everyone seeing this, you can all see where our Ogbomosho Quran specialist said that it's Muhammad doing the wondering 😂😂😂, in both Quranic versions for that matter 🤨.

Wonders shall never cease.
Foolishness is bliss.

Nothing beats making a foolish liar think his lie is truth and later revealing the truth so his stupidity is revealed.

Kindly show in the Hafs and/or Warsh the word saying Allah wondered.

Too eager to run with a story without verifying. This is the height of it.

The people surely stay perishing due to lack of knowledge.

Gabrielshow24:
Maybe you are just ignorant 😂😂 but the internet never forgets.

Go look above, you will see where your sheepish narrative was stated🥲. If you continue in your lies then I will expose you by posting all your horrible defense😂😂 explaining away the English translation 🤧

Present my lie and further reveal how silly you are. Vindicate the truth that I let you grow fat with your lie before joyfully popping your balloon.

Gabrielshow24:
I am not like your prophet!

Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

There also plethora of other discrepancies!
This is beyond dialectics!

Present you Hafs and Warsh Quran in aranbic to prove your highlated statement above.

Gabrielshow24:
You have done that already🤨.
You posted the verses trying to explain "away" the English meaning 🥲.

For the second paragraph, it seems you were high🤨 because I didn't ask the same question again.

Kindly provide a simple answer 👀
Who wondered? 🤨—Allah or Muhammad 🧐.

You can consult the other Quranic versions if you like 😂😂😂, it doesn't change the logical implications of both🥲.

Just imagine and they claim the QURAN is perfectly preserved 😂😂😂, shey na Allah preserve this one so🤨? Allah for don sleep go 👀

I have done that or your ignorance makes you think so because it appears to go with you silly argument.

I happily enjoy waxing and pushing your stupidity in decoy and you bought it. Now go bury your head in shame.


Now shut up and desist from typing what you know nothing about.

Let's reveal your stupidity now. In both hafs and Warsh version of Quran recitation the same word for marvel is used ajibtu. It is more intense in one than the other. Prove me wrong Mr Foolish Wise John Bull.

Prophet Muhammad pbuh in both cases marvels.

Gabrielshow24 ran back for lessons or is looking for where to giraffe and copy from?

Present the full text of these verses in Hafs and Warsh and reference your source.

Messi and Ronaldo play and compete at football so are not analogous to this discussion or is this what your brain if you actually have one tells you?

Gabrielshow24:
Foolish one, can't you see how vague your allusions are? Of what use is the "wondering" if the subject of it is not properly known! 🤨. It's just a foolish attempt to make yourself sleep at night, given the plethora of inconsistencies within your Quran!

With all due respect, I would have written a better Quran than this one.😂😂😂
If you have anything useful to say, kindly tell the world who wondered🤔—Oh, you can't 😂😂😂

Do yourself a favour and place pictures of the full arabic text of the warsh and hafs text of this verse not just the verb here let me show you something.

Gabrielshow24:
I am not like your prophet!

Surah 37:12.
In the hafs, Mohammed is the one doing the wondering while in the warsh it's Allah!

There also plethora of other discrepancies!
This is beyond dialectics!

Didn't I answer this before?

You would have written but have not been able to write anything except what you copy from others.

Gabrielshow24:
Coming from a sane person positing that "Ronaldo wonders" and "Messi wonders" are the same😂😂😂

Foolishness is indeed bliss!

Indeed he is ashamed to say.

How can you liken Ronaldo and Messi to this?

Do they not compete in a sport against each other and contest superiority or their fans do this for them?

Please 'wise' one how does this relate to this discussion? Who sends the other Messi or Ronaldo?

Gabrielshow24:
The Quran is to be shamed not me, after all it claims to explain all things in detail!😂😂😂
Your pathetic prophet is also to be shamed for lacking proper wisdom to differentiate between authentic Jewish narratives and apocryphal stories! If not why will a sane person not conclusively say that it was one or other that wondered but instead relies on the simple fact that wondering is the theme of the message!😂😂😂

Very shameful indeed!😂😂😂

Stupid reply from a stupid indoctrinated Muslim! When you are ready to face your shame, you know where to find me but I have left it as a question to all you hypocrites, who actually wondered! 🤨

Aha! He acknowledges he is incapable of understanding.

We are getting somewhere finally.

When you do not understand how then can you castigate?

Gabrielshow24:
I have answered your first question, you can kindly go revise what I have said about it!

What's with you and evasion? You intentionally do not want to answer my direct question knowing fully well its logical implications to your stance!
Also, what does other divergent versions have to do with my question? The other versions will only be weapons in my arsenal against your pathetic Islamic traditional narratives!

The English translation is self explanatory 🙃 only an intellectually dishonest dunce will try to reconcile the differences between Muhammad wonders and Allah wonders trying to posit that they are the same!!!

Once again, I ask you who is it? Mohammed or Allah!

So in all your rambling you don't know?

Very shameful.

Gabrielshow24:
That's a silly logical reconciliation.
I have answered this rhetoric earlier.

Who is astonished, Muhammad or Allah?
If Allah was astonished then definitely he is not all-knowing!
If it was Muhammad then the other version is false!

Don't you use your brain at all?🤦🏾‍♂️
Imagine in 3953 and men stumble upon two newsletters, one says Ronaldo won 2015 balloon d'or another says Messi🤨.

It is very evident that 'someone' won the ballon d'or but who won it?🤨
A question you and your scholars can never answer without demolishing your 'foolish' traditional narratives!

I asked you a question before which you threw more jibe at than answer. Is the Quran a diary of the prophet Muhammad pbuh?

Of the different Qiraat, how many say the same Warsh version says and how many say the same as Hafs?

Then particularly what is meant in either version?

Don't hide in analogy, answer directly, straightforward.

Gabrielshow24:
Did you bother to consider the slippery slope of both? 🤨

I leave that you as an assignment, that should help you 'decipher' what the problem is 🤨!

Very lame as expected. You have argued without full thought and got stuck with the dim half thought logic. It's been explained the astonishment/disapproval at disbelief and you are pointing at a flaw you cannot explain.


What is the problem that you cannot explain?