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MightySparrow:
Lie of the Devil. It seems you lack the knowledge of Islamic spread. If you are lack the knowledge of distant history, go to the northern Nigeria. I lived there and first hand partaker of Islamic wickedness.
In government work, you are denied promotion unless you convert, if a man, marry a Muslim woman. In fact, in the place where served last, the king of the place would forcefully marry a lady of Christian faith to a Muslim. If the father raised any eyebrows, he would be banished.

My neighbour was denied his promotion to be matron until he was forced to be a Muslim and compelled to marry a second wife.

So Oga, no matter how beautifully you want to paint Islam, it is still ugly.

Question you should answer is if the full verse of Quran 3:110 is not as stated.

Is it also a lie that some prisoners of war in those times also became Muslim. Not all of them did and they were not compelled to.

That there is the ethnic religious bias of people doesn't mean that is a clear message of Islam. Sadly people perceive things wrongly in classifying disputes as religion based.

That you lived in northern Nigeria and had this experience doesn't mean there aren't Christians who had good and supporting relations with Muslims there too.

Are people not denied promotion due to tribal affiliation too? Left to ourselves, despite the call for justice more are not just

It's terribly lazy for people to classify these issues as religion based. The actual causes of dispute are neglected.

GothamCities:
IBB actually clarified on page 39 of his book that "the coup eventually took an unmistakable ethnic coloration compounded by the fact that there was no related coup activities in the Eastern Region."

Perhaps there was a coup within the coup as was the case of the one that ousted the second republic government and the south easterners spared a lot of their own.

Did you take a look at the translation of the meaning of Quran 3:110 first?

It reads:

You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah . If only the People of the Scripture had believed, it would have been better for them. Among them are believers, but most of them are defiantly disobedient.

Is this not clear enough for comprehension?

If you insist on reading hadith to understand this you should appropriately understand its context.

The mention of bringing people in chains until they enter Islam does not imply forced conversion; it refers to war captives at the time who, after being exposed to Islam, would choose to embrace it willingly. Historically, many prisoners of war, after engaging with Muslims, have sincerely accepted Islam.

Did you take a look at the translation of the meaning of Quran 3

AntlisIaam:
YES it is.. You don't called someone defending himself against your Islamic terrorist group a terrorist for defending himself if your brain is working perfectly

Not necessarily.

Is it possible for a compilation like this to have absolutely no imperfections/errors?
Is it not compiled based on information available to the authors and subject to their bias?

Fundamentally are the disputes about how a group of people choose to worship the supreme or about political power, land and resources?

Do you not agree with those who say religion is separate from governance?

Do be more retrospective, circumspect then apply these as you introspect in the present and future.

MightySparrow:
All I report here are majorly by your Imams and responses to their lies.
Check heritage TV on YouTube. They are your alfas debunking your lies with your books. They are not Christians or traditional worshippers.
Call them please. They deal with Muslims according to their books.

Lielam

If you don't understand the context in which your mention came about, sorry.

GothamCities:
Then as long as he didn't bring anything new, he left the world the way he met it. Then, what makes him any important in the scheme of things?


The difference is that all those who did evil in the name of Islam got heir inspirations from the Quran.


That skewed operational way resides in the heads of Muslims. When someone shouts Allah Akbar before committing mass murder, he's an Islamic terrorist. If he did't do it for Islam, then he's a criminal. Presently as we speak, somewhere in the world, someone is being beheaded for Islam as you read these texts right now. That's how murderous and satanically infused that your religion is. If anybody comes out to murder anyone shouting the name of Jesus or yelling Hallelujah, he's a Christian terrorist of course. But you just need to point me to one.



My dear, scrolls were all over the known works in the days of mohammed. He himself had access to many scrolls. The absence of writing material itself does not support your claim. You're not even getting it. The builders of the pyramids could in write, and those who came after them who could write had no information. If they had information, they'll write what the builders didn't write. Since the said founders of the ka'aba didn't write about the monotheistic nature of its establishment, those who came after and could write would write about it if it is truly monotheistic as you claimed. There are Arabic books pre-mohammed. Stop lying. There were the Safaitic inscriptions, Nabataean inscriptions, Pre-Islamic poetries.


When I said "they couldn't write" that does not mean they have no ability to write. 'They couldn't write' can have several reasons attached to it.

GothamCities:
You're the ones who actually guide your children to believe one thing or the other about Christianity. No one has time to be talking about Islam in Christendom. It's inconsequential in the scheme of things. Everything I know of Islam today is mostly by my own personal findings, and that added to the little I knew before my family became Christian.

GothamCities:
Maybe I'll open a different mention for a discourse about the Messaiah. It seems you missed everything I said previously about the topic.

FORGIVE THEM FATHER FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO AND SAY

AntlisIaam:
Then believe what you read from britanicca, Anti balaka is not a terrorist group

Is Brittanica all encompassing? No.
Be holistic and not in a hurry to conclude in error?

GothamCities:
My dear, these are mere rituals with no guarantees for the lost soul of man. There are at least 5 monotheistic religions in the world. Mohammed didn't bring anything new. All religions submit to the will of their gods. Most religions uphold moral conduct much better than Islam which kills unbelievers and legalize bloodshed. The case of Deborah in Kano is still fresh.


You don't need all these useless talk. Mohammed surfaced in the world barely 1,400 years ago when that world was already populated with books. Are you telling me that there were no books in Arabia in Mohammad s day? The Pyramid narratives don't fit. Should I tell you why? The builders can't write and those who could write after them had no information. But in this case, we have books telling us of the polytheistic nature of the ka'aba but not telling us of its monotheism. The whole thing about the ka'aba is a lie. Abraham never visited that site let alone establishing it for crying out loud. You cannot find any document in the history of Arabia giving any credence to this tale. Abraham only visited the site in the Quran but not in reality. The journey of Abraham never went beyond the Negev Desert, Mesopotamia, Canaan and Lebanon, and had a little stop over at Egypt. Abraham never journeyed with Ismael who was separated from his father at the age of 14. That was the last time Abraham ever set his eyes on Ismael. This is the plain truth. The Arabians know this for the truth and never disputed this fact until Mohammed came to spin a new history.

The ka'aba was established by the Arabs. All the 360 gods they worshipped were found there. It has never had any monotheistic existence since its inception. You cannot dispute this fact without lying or talking in abstraction.



Mohammed conquered Mecca and simply destroyed all other gods to retain Allah - his tribal god.


Was Aisha not a toddler at 4 when Mohammed started fingering her?




You're the ones who actually guide your children to believe one thing or the other about Christianity. No one has time to be talking about Islam in Christendom. It's inconsequential in the scheme of things. Everything I know of Islam today is mostly by my own personal findings, and that added to the little I knew before my family became Christian.


It does not erase the fact that Mohammed affirmed the use of a particular stinking water full of sewage.



Maybe I'll open a different mention for a discourse about the Messaiah. It seems you missed everything I said previously about the topic.

1. You don't seize to expose your ignorance.
Where did Prophet Muhammad pbuh say he was bringing something new regarding the supreme nature of one God and his interaction with his creation?

That people behave in inappropriate manner does not translate to religion prescribing and encouraging it.

Reality is the skewed way the world operates with a person with believed association with Islam is called a religious terrorist yet if of another faith a different classification is given fron the large expanse of language.


2. Correctly said the prophet Muhammad pbuh lived around 1400+ years ago but please ascertain the community of paper for documentation in the area where he was. Why were writings on leaves, animal skin, tree barks etc.?

3. Are you absolutely sure the builders of
the pyramids couldn't write yet they built such enormous structures that modern and present day builders marvel on how it was achieved?

Please what documented interaction with a former builder of any of these pyramids? Don't just try to make points without considering them.

4. Abraham's journey as recorded in the Bible perhaps but how come the interaction with Hagar? He left his father's land where and migrated to ? Where did he transverse? Is your Bible an absolute record of all historical travels?

5. You shamelessly make a useless and vulgar claim about Aisha peace be upon her. You really think the Arabs will have supported so young a marriage even at that time?

6 indeed. Your brother Mightysparrow shares stuff he gets from one apologists on YouTube and definitely he's not the only one.
I have seen some and find some reasoning far below expectation. Faulty premise and conclusion. Very poor jokes if anything at all.

Don't you have time to criticize Islam despite shallow knowledge?

Do you know what is said to be cost benefit analysis? Where sometimes you allow something to solve a problem weighing in on a weaker consequence effect.

Why must you open another thread? Is it too much or complicated to mention concisely here?

See who claims no one in Christendom has time yet you are jumping all over opening threads.

AntlisIaam:
You kicked against Wikipedia same way I kicked against your taqqiya sources. America or Americans will never sponsored terrorists or terrorism

The reasons for the flaws in Wikipedia are stated. Different people can input and alter inputs hence questions about its reliability.

Did you just wake up?

GothamCities:
Was he speaking metaphor when he announced Allah's warning that his aorta would be cut off if he was a receiver? Lol. The announcement was a warning but the fulfillment a metaphor according to Mr. critical thinker. Open your mind and think now. If someone is deceiving you, must you deceive yourself?

GothamCities:
Which message exactly? What message has Islam?

Seriously! You are ignorant of the strict monotheism, submission to the will of Allah and acceptance? Worship, moral conduct for self and community, eternity and consequences? The great mercy of Allah.

GothamCities:
Can you produce any documents before mohammed that claim Allah was the only one worshipped in the kabba before it turned polytheistic? For your information, the kabba has always housed many gods including Allah. It had no original state other than the state in which Mohammed met it.

It is sad that the human race has advanced in such a manner to have the wrong views about documentation. There have been non paper type documentation that served remarkably well in the past. Do you not wonder why they haven't found documents on how the Egyptian pyramids were designed and built? There indeed are many other pyramids in Sudan and environs. The lack of a documented design and construction plan does not remove the reality of the existing pyramids which are amongst the wonders of the world.

Will you say because there's no seen plan seen used to build the ancient pyramids they weren't built? Do you also believe Africans had no formal records as they depend on the west and neglect that the first documented libraries are in Africa, Timbuktu Mali?

GothamCities:
All other idols were removed to promote only one idol - the idol of Mohammed's clan.

Stop killing the female baby but marry them at 6, finger them till they clock 9, and marry them on their 9th birthday Hahaha.

Perhaps you can tell the idol a particular tribe worshipped that was spared. How the idol looks and is worshiped then explain how the other tribes were convinced or compelled to abandon their own idols.

You should look into how and why the girl baby was killied in jahiliyah Arabia first. That a concept is told doesn't necessarily confirm it and indeed you know too little about such conduct though may be aware of some in present day. Even worse the forceful copulation of toddlers barely even 2 years.

GothamCities:
How about the many people that murderer killed? Including the woman he tied to beasts to be torn apart alive. Very wicked soul!


Which best morals exactly? Caravan robbery or pedophilia? These are all the hallmarks of Mohammed including bloodletting. Or are we to talk about drinking camel's urine for healing, or to use stinking waters for ablution? Best morals indeed. A man must be demented to see all these as best morals.

I'm telling you that religion does not procure salvation.

Go on your own independent study not what you are guided to believe. You will find the truth not the falsehood you are guided to wrongly believe.

The issue of Camel's urine was a singular case in respect of one tribe and has a full story. Research and read it up.

If you understand what is ablution and appropriately know what polluted water is and how health is promoted in various guidance in Islam.

GothamCities:
I'm telling you that religion does not procure salvation.


Face the questions I asked you dear. No k e is asking about the eternal dominion of the Messiah whom you don't know and whose message you have referred in preference for that of an imposter.


Have you been skipping the all the posts I made in response to you so far? There I explained what the term Messaiah means, how it has a different meaning in Islam and how the messaiah is the most superior prophet the Jews are still expecting today. I explained that the Messiah is God's Salvation among men. He is the centre of the whole of man's interactions with God. There's no prophet who can ever get greater than the Messaiah. If Mohammed knows who the Messiah is, he would have made himself the Messaiah instead of acknowledging Jesus. His ignorance is good for your soul if you indeed love the truth.

I will appreciate you restating these questions in a concise and precise manner so they can be attended to unless you have jumped them up in this last post of yours.

Did prophet Muhammad make himself a Messiah or try to? Tell me who the Messiah is and stop shying away unless you cannot do justice to explain?

GothamCities:
My dear go and sit down!

Who's asking you to explain what the aorta cutting phrase means? We're telling you his aorta was cut off as predicted to confirm that he was a false prophet. Are you this empty?

He was the one who wore that his God said if he were a liar, his god would cut off his aorta. Then, before he died, he complained that felt his aorta being cut off. More or less like a confession: "I have been deceptive and now I can feel my aorta being cut off ." You're making a long useless post just to cover up and defend nonsense. You better sit up. Eternity is noti religion.

You will do well to go read my posts about the Messaiah again. No one is here to discuss His eternal dominion with you. These are things higher than you. What I'm telling you is that Mohammed cannot be more important than the Messaiah. If only you know what the Messaiah means.

A closed mind can not see otherwise. There are literal meanings and symbolic when the same words are used metaphorically.

Do you claim these metaphors are not abound in rhe Quran?

The context is what you refuse to see.
Did prophet Muhammad pbuh complete the deliverance of the message?

Did he return the Kaaba to it's original state where Allah alone is worshipped? Yes.
Were all idols in it removed and all idolatry in the Kaaba stopped? Yes.

Did he achieve the social change from ignorant practice in Arabia from killing the female baby? Yes.

Did he stir towards the upholding of best morals amongst mankind in servitude to Allah? Yes.

What do you mean by Eternity is noti religion? Is there a typographic mistake? If there is or Isn't what are you trying to say?

Eternal dominion and messiah or what? Will the Israelites not start having a feel of this fron here? Will there be tribes in paradise?

Tell me what messiah means and how different it is from Mashiah in Hebrew please ?

GothamCities:
Lol. Just tell us that Islam is an Arabian culture that was dispersed into the world. It's not a real deal. What's really rich about the culture of praying useless prayers for the dead? Hey, if you think it holds any good meaning for your life, you would have said it boastfully. But of course, you can't. You only want to abuse me and make blanket statements that make no sensible import. I chalk you to highlight any particular benefit of the so called richness of the culture of praying for dead people. It is only rich in your head. If you want to keep wasting your energy in pbuh, keep up but let me give you a gust - that action has neither profit nor loss.

Hey, Mr critical thinker, I see you ignored the iorta points and focused on what makes you happy. Mohammed was a false prophet. Confirmed. His iorta was cut off to establish this truth.

Ignored the Messaiah talks again? I will tell you the truth for the umpteenth time that the Messaiah is the fulcrum around which everything rotates. All the prophets pointed towards the Messiah. If Mohammed acknowledged Jesus as the Messiah, then, he can never be greater than the Messaiah. The Messaiah is the Salvation of God among men; the coming judge and the head of God's anticipated eternal Kingdom. The Jews are still earnestly looking for Jim today. They missed Jesus as the Scriptures foretold. If Mohammed knew what the Messaiah truly meant, he would never have acknowledged Jesus as the Messaiah because he was only out to deceive and to create a religion around himself. But God has allowed him to be this ignorant so that those who love the truth would eventually see the truth.

I mistook the fact your reasoning ia barely even elementary.

What idiom is referred to? You have already lost track?

Ohyoudidnt:
How easy it is for you to show your shallow learning - - assignment pending.

Who says Abraham pbuh is not already blessed? If you understand the supplication for blessings on Muhammad pbuh you will see this but sadly the ignorant slanderin g of your apologetic evangel Christians blinds you. See a debt of misleading.

In Christendom prayer for the dead is useless but I wonder if this is entirely correct. Why the funeral prayers and wake keeps? Tell me these are strictly for the living. How come you just don't bury the dead?

You can not comprehend how praying for the Prophet is a means to praying for yourself.

Let's give you a free lesson if you can learn anything outside your apologetic ignorant mumbo jumbo.

انقطاع أبهرى ; ainqitae 'abhraa, aortic dissection or cutting aorta is an Arabic idiom that translates to mean remarkable interruption.
It is often used to describe an unexpected break in routine or normalcy.it conveys a sense of impressiveness and astonishment, applicable in various contexts like storytelling or social discussions. This idiom showcases the rich tradition of storytelling and eloquence in the Arab world, emphasizing the significant impact that unexpected events can have on our lives.

In the hadith the phrase transcends a simple medical diagnosis. This phrase captures the emotional and spiritual turmoil surrounding the Prophet's approaching death. The deep sorrow he feels reflects the burden of a mission accomplished in the face of societal challenges.

Sadly the jealousy and hatred of many twists the truth in usual fashion to say he was poisoned. Please tell me which poison takes that many years to kill from a slight if any administration? Show some learning John. This is not BATMAN entertainment but reality.

You need elementary tutelage I see.

The phrase"انقطاع أبهرى(aortic rupture) refers to a serious medical condition where the aorta, the body's main artery, tears. However, in a non-literal or metaphorical context, it evokes a striking and dramatic separation—one that is sudden, overwhelming, and deeply impactful.

The word انقطاع"** (discontinuation, rupture, or severance) implies a break, a sudden end, or a forceful detachment.
The word "أبهرى", aortic, related to the aorta metaphorically suggests something vital, life-sustaining, or deeply rooted.

Together, انقطاع أبهرى, ainqitae 'abhraa describes profound emotional rupture—perhaps the loss of something essential, like love, beauty, or passion, in a way that is both breathtaking and tragic. It reflects beauty intertwined with loss, as if something magnificent was abruptly taken away, leaving a visceral absence, much like the sudden and devastating impact of an aortic rupture in a literal sense.

This phrase could be poetic, capturing moments of heartbreak, the conclusion of a life-altering experience, or even an artistic representation of the delicate balance between beauty and suffering.

Please use a dictionary which you should know how to use if certain words are not clear .

In the wisdom of Allah a prophet was sent to the Arabians who spoke with them in the language of Arabic which they understood. This was to effectively communicate the guidance from Allah. This as mentioned is to prevent them from complaining that no one came to them as stated in the Quran. Do the Ethiopians majorly speak Arabic?

No, the most widely spoken languages in Ethiopia are Amharic (the official working language), Oromo, Tigrinya, Somali, among others.

How then can Islam be an Arabian religion when the king of Ethiopia agreed with the truths of the message?


Is messiah same as Moshia in Hebrew language?

The anticipated eternal dominion of the Messiah in relation to Jesus as is commonly interpreted remains unfulfilled because pervasive injustice and human suffering stand in stark opposition to the envisioned reign of peace and righteousness..

GothamCities:
Look, you're just ranting for nothing. Rants don't make lies into truth. We were once Muslims. But today, we give God all the glory. We left that darkness. That pitch darkness.

Pray for yourself dear. Pbuh is useless for the dead, okay? Exercise your spiritual energy in something meaningful if you have any.

Christians don't pray for the dead during funerals. We only celebrate their lives. We don't pray for them. Wake keep is just for honoring the life they lived.

You're twisting your own Quran because you don't want to face the truth. What's there to envy about Mohammed? Is it his murderous lifestyle or his lying personality? Or his caravan robbery business? Lol.

He himself wrote that Allah said he'll cut off his iorta if he was found to be deceitful. Years later as he was dying, he cried that he could feel like his iorta was being cut off. False prophet confirmed.

You still ignored what I said to you about the Messaiah? You think I hate you by telling you the truth? Any demon that makes you angry when you're being fed with the truth is actually aiming for your destruction.

Put your anger aside and open your eyes. The eternal destination of your soul will depend on it. Mohammed has done his own and passed. Sadly, he was not saved. Now, it's your turn, use it wisely.

Anger? Referring to yourself?

Sadly if you cannot develop beyond your preferences for fairy tales and keep tied to the elementary fantasy of Disney comics, you just won't get it.

You as a non Arab with terrible bias cannot appreciate the very rich language and it's metaphorical statements. The influence of culture and context used in differentiating figurative from literal meaning.

You are incapable of independent thought and critical thinking to appreciate the emotional and contextual use of this Arabic idiom and probably a lot more.

Who or what is the Messiah? Is the Messiah equivalent to the Moshia in Hebrew?

I hope you grow up mentally and psychologically soon.

GothamCities:
I'm giving you a fundamental truth. Abraham is already blessed. There's no amount of blessing you send him that would increase his blessings. Prayers for the dead is useless They're actually the ones who can intercede for you.
Mohammed on the other hand is not blessed. He even had his iorta cut as proof that he was a false prophet. No amount of blessing you send to.him can change his fate. You guys are just ignorant of spiritual realities. None of the prophets who came before Mohammad was ignorant of this reality. Till today, the Jews show their love for their deceased loved ones by saying "May his memory be blessed." That is it. Only the remembrance of the person can be a blessed recall. The dead person himself or his fate is not influenced by prayers, blessings or curses. A lot of ignorance reels in that religion.

Did you ignore what I said about the Messaiah? You better sit up and find eternal peace for your soul.

How easy it is for you to show your shallow learning - - assignment pending.

Who says Abraham pbuh is not already blessed? If you understand the supplication for blessings on Muhammad pbuh you will see this but sadly the ignorant slanderin g of your apologetic evangel Christians blinds you. See a debt of misleading.

In Christendom prayer for the dead is useless but I wonder if this is entirely correct. Why the funeral prayers and wake keeps? Tell me these are strictly for the living. How come you just don't bury the dead?

You can not comprehend how praying for the Prophet is a means to praying for yourself.

Let's give you a free lesson if you can learn anything outside your apologetic ignorant mumbo jumbo.

انقطاع أبهرى ; ainqitae 'abhraa, aortic dissection or cutting aorta is an Arabic idiom that translates to mean remarkable interruption.
It is often used to describe an unexpected break in routine or normalcy. It conveys a sense of impressiveness and astonishment, applicable in various contexts like storytelling or social discussions. This idiom showcases the rich tradition of storytelling and eloquence in the Arab world, emphasizing the significant impact that unexpected events can have on our lives.

In the hadith the phrase transcends a simple medical diagnosis. This phrase captures the emotional and spiritual turmoil surrounding the Prophet's approaching death. The deep sorrow he feels reflects the burden of a mission accomplished in the face of societal challenges.

Sadly the jealousy and hatred of many twists the truth in usual fashion to say he was poisoned. Please tell me which poison takes that many years to kill from a slight if any administration? Show some learning John. This is not BATMAN entertainment but reality.

GothamCities:
Mohammed deceived you, open your eyes. Which peace be upon him. Listen, you cannot send peace on someone who is already dead. That itself is deception.

The Quran is just full of lies, lies and lies.

Which supreme commanded Mohammad to kill people for God when Jesus the Messiah who came before him already abolished physical punishment? Or you don't know that the whole scripture points to the Messiah? Everything all the prophets who prophesied before Mohammad preached put all focus on the Messaiah as the Saviour and the only One who can lead us straight to God. Look, if Mohammed had understood what the word 'Messiah" means, he would never have called Jesus the Messaiah because he was only out to deceive and not to speak why truth. If Jesus is the Messaiah, then, Mohammed is useless in the scheme of things even if he were a true prophet. The Jews are still waiting for the Messaiah till today. They missed Him as the scriptures already foretold. The problem with you Muslims is that you're very ignorant. If you know the meaning and import of the Messianic prophecies and personality, the moment Mohammed admitted Jesus to be the Messaiah, you'll quickly leave him and cling to the Messaiah. A Muslim on this forum once said that Islam has a different meaning for the term "Messaiah". I just laughed. Is Islam the originator of the term? If they changed the meaning in Islam, can't you see how obvious the deception is?

I just pray God opens your eyes before it's too late.

Fortunately the part that interests you most is what you respond to and it shows your envy of one who the almighty, angels and mankind send blessings on.

Why do you ignore Abraham on who blessings are also sent?

Well it's typical and within your personal rights.

GothamCities:
How can the Americans deliver Justin? Are they God. They can only support the Truth.




How does that change the fact that Mohammed was a terrorist and all Muslims support terrorism?

It depends on what is seen to be truth. I am aware Trump intends to focus on Nigeria after resolving what is the Russia - Ukraine conflict. He says this is to address injustice over decades however was it just to almagamate diverse tribes to suit an economic goal in the past?

There is nothing new about the Civil/Biafra war issues, the greed of some Nigerians including those who may be Biafra but more importantly is the interest of the west that won't let go of the wealth within the geographical region called Nigeria. Indeed the pretense in human action cannot be overlooked.

We are barely scratching the surface regarding our human and mineral resources yet some foreigners see these well. The wanton theft of mineral resources hidden behind a strategically grown insurgency. The fret at the refining capacity of the Dangote refinery, the never commissioned to function Ajaokuta steel industry, the irony that Nigeria is about the world's largest producer of Yam and Cassava yet no meaningful derived revenue?

If you see the Prophet Muhammad pbuh as a terrorist for encouraging people to obey the supreme and engage in best interaction it is your opinion. Indeed the thieves and armed robbers see effective and honest police as terrorists. Perhaps your pain stems from him not being from Israel. It is as is.

Indeed fasting has been practiced by mankind for various reasons since time immemorial. There has been that prescribed by the supreme and many by man himself.

For Moses, 40 days in total was prescribed and there are narrations as to how this came to be 40. The times for fast varies through different groups and there are variations regarding compulsion to. Indeed fasting in the month of Ramadan is compulsory for all Muslims and is fundamental to practicing Islam. There are exceptions given to some for valid reasons regarding exemption from food and drink however they are to engage in all other aspects of the time. Indeed Ramadan is far beyond just abstaining from food and drink.

A Muslim fast is dawn to sunset and cannot be reviewed by man. Young children are seen to fast for shorter period in building them up physically and spiritually. It is common for some in other faiths to fast till noon, 4pm or other times of their choice however I doubt they have scriptural backing for this.

There are different types of prefast meals but as a mercy to Muslims Allah prescribes the sahur and iftar in which there are great blessings. Beyond the meals the spirituality in prayers and devotion are enormous. We are not fasting to please mankind but in submission to Allah who alone grants reward for fasting far beyond human understanding. Indeed there is a gate into paradise strictly for those who fast.

MightySparrow:
That is one of the misinterpreted prophecies by the expectant Israelites. Isaiah talked about it about 700 years before Christ came. He even talked about how nations would bring them back. Jesus now explained how they were going to be dispersed and how they were going to be gathered from all the ends of the earth. How the nation would be born in a single day. How strangers would join them as we see in Palestine today. Everything happened to details of prophecy.

About the mysteries, all the types of the old testament are revealed in the new. I deliberately don't want to qoute scriptures.

In understanding the prophecies of the Bible, knowledge of world history is essential. You will just discover that the Bible is a reasonable writ.

I am unable to agree wiith you that this was explicitly mentioned. On Palestine joining Israel it seems to be the reverse.

We however shouldn't derail the subject of this thread

MightySparrow:
Okay, I want to clarify that. My last response has answered your question. If you are playing with words you will never understand the Bible concepts.
When Jesus was going away, contrary to the expectation of the Jews, Jesus didn't liberate them from Roman government rather, He gave a different assignment that was to change the cause of history. Earlier, from the synoptic Gospels, Jesus had prophesied an explanation in more details than earlier prophets like Isaiah, Daniel, Micah and the rest. Israel became a nation 1870 years later in 1945.

My conclusion:
Christianity runs on decoding mysteries not semantics. Since you are a Bible enthusiast, search for the word 'mystery', and read the texts contextually. You will learn so much and have your answer.

Maybe you can share one decoded mystery in Christendom to help me understand more.

Israel becaume a nation around 1948 following a British mandate on a region historically known as Palestine.

MightySparrow:
Are you a Muslim?

I believe there’s a higher power out there that controls everything, no matter what I think about it.

MightySparrow:
Acts.1.6 - When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Acts.1.7 - And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Acts.1.8 - But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Prophecies about Jesus and entime are coded and sometimes are understood after they have been fulfilled. You can see from this scripture that Jesus did not deny their expectation about the prophecy but the misunderstanding about the timing was the problem.

Even now, so much is going on that Jews and Christians , even Muslims are still expecting. For instance, the coming if Al Dajjal ( the Antichrist).

I can't still see any issues with that.
Have a beautiful day.

The scripture doesn't show the apostles denying Jesus however is this report confirmed by other books of the gospel?

We may question when this was documented though it is of no particular value to me however can it be said to exist in order to push a particular narrative? Do you mean the jews were misled in their expectations of a measiah to deliver them from oppressive rule and rebuilding the temple?

A lot indeed is happening but is it new? Are the questions asked different from the ones asked before? Indeed there are many anti Christ with various types of understanding.

MightySparrow:
What issues?

Jesus did not meet the traditional Jewish expectations of Mashiach because he did not establish political sovereignty over Israel or achieve the universal peace that was prophesied.

Particularly in submitting to the Roman authority to be crucified as believed in Christianity you see there was no political liberation of Israel from at least the likes of Rome.

MightySparrow:
Yes you are right. That is why the types are called shadows and antitypes (Christ) is the reality. The types had their own glory but not as the glory of the Lord.

Cheers brother.

I may have issues accepting your position as you haven't yet supported your stand with your scripture or otherwise.

Jesus is not unequivocally represented as both Mashiach and Moshia.

MightySparrow:
Yes, you are right but it depends on the context. An Ambassador is the same as a president in a foreign land, representing his country. The president, however, is the overall leader and the person who appointed the Ambassador

If you see the Bible in the line of semantics and words along without the content and the concept from the Genesis to Revelations, you might be mistaken the tributaries of the river as the main river

There is what we call types and antitypes in the Bible interpretations. These are persons, institutions, occurrences that pointed to the coming and the essence of the coming of Christ.

Good analogy however an ambassador isn't accorded the same honor as the president ; home and abroad.

In essence Jesus was anointed but not categorically identified as a saviour?

MightySparrow:
Anointing in the Bible means a commissioning for an assignment. It is used severally for priests, kings and even beyond Israel. Cyrus was called, ' his anointed, God gave him specific assignment.

So, Jesus as human was pictured as anointed as a Messiah. The Bible sense for Messianic position was to take away sin.

So both words you gave are two sides of the same coin. On one side, be was anointed and on the other, he is a rescuer

A person can be a Moshia without being a Mashiach (for example, Ehud and Gideon). A Mashiach is anointed for leadership, but they may not always be a Moshia (as seen with some kings of Israel).

MightySparrow:
Before I respond, please bring out the scriptures you brought out the words.

Is your response conditional?

Oh well:

Hebrew (Judges 3:15)
וַיִּזְעֲקוּ בְּנֵי־יִשְׂרָאֵל אֶל־יְהוָה וַיָּקֶם יְהוָה לָהֶם מוֹשִׁיעַ אֶת־אֵהוּד בֶּן־גֵּרָא בֶן־הַיְמִינִי אִישׁ אִטֵּר יַד־יְמִינוֹ וַיִּשְׁלְחוּ בְנֵי־יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּיָדוֹ מִנְחָה לְעֵגְלוֹן מֶלֶךְ־מוֹאָב׃

Vayiz'aku b'nei-Yisra'el el-YHWH, vayakem YHWH lahem moshia et-Ehud ben-Gera ben-Haymini, ish iter yad yemino; vayishl'chu b'nei-Yisra'el b'yado mincha l'Eglon melech Moav.

But when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised them up a saviour (moshiaʿ), Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man left-handed; and the children of Israel sent a present by him unto Eglon king of Moab

MightySparrow:
Both

Can you reference this by scripture?

MightySparrow:
(מָשִׁיחַ) - anointed
(מוֹשִׁיעַ) - rescuer, saviour

What is your point?

No point. Just seeking clarification as to which applies to Jesus

MightySparrow:
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxR-kuCHagi8xe2aOV4WqSLtfX5Sn4XxtI?si=KEGyXrxh61mM_NSE

I have heard the Islam believes that Jesus is مسيح, masīḥ. In this very short video, the poster asked very important questions that I will like Muslim in the house to answer.
The video is about a minute.

1. What is salvation in Islam?
2a. What are you saved from?
2b .What are saved into?
3. Can you Muslims know if you are saved?
4. Did Mohammed need salvation?
5. Was Mohammed saved?
6a.What was Mohammed saved from if received salvation?
6b.whatdid Mohammed saved into?
7. Did Mohammed have the assurance of salvation?

Fundamentally can you address if Mashiach (מָשִׁיחַ) is the same as Moshia (מוֹשִׁיעַ) in Hebrew?

TV01:
True!

How is the descriptor "the truthful spirit" to be understood? I know that some Islamic scholars equate Jibril with the Holy Spirit, who is also known as "The Spirit of Truth" in Christianity. Just an aside though, as this is not the main thrust here.

In some ways this poses more questions around the claimed prophethood. Firstly, as confirming the torah and gospel, serves only to falsify the koran, and secondly, why if this prophet was the last and the seal, did God not speak to him directly a lá Moses, Joshua, David etc. all the way to The Lord Jesus Christ (who the bible notes as the summary and end of patriarchal prophethood)? Again, not central to this question on the "identity of the entity", but building up the wider case.

Sure, once this identity of this entity is confirmed.


The name Gabriel, as with all angelic names (and those of the patriarchal prophets), specifically reference (in an anthropomorphic sense so to speak) The God of the said torah and gospel. The name Jibril does not follow this pattern.

Pertinent, but only in part. The recognition was supposedly based on Waraqah' "learning and great understanding" - there is no reading of the bible that would suggest an unidentified being, who manhandled the one it appeared too and whom himself considered it dark and demonic, could be angel Gabriel of the Christian scriptures. A more reasonable, if speculative position may be that Wraqah was primarily concerned about Mohammed' wellbeing, given the traumatic nature of the encounter.

Recognition by "the then Arabs", does not provide us with a relative or absolute measure of learning and understanding, nor divine writ to speak on the matter.


TV

I experienced some trouble giving back feedback as you seem to post questions then answer them yourself.

By confirming the previous scriptures it is pertinent to understand that this is a testimony to the truth that these were actually revealed to these prophets by God.

It also follows in saying he too got revelation about what had happened centuries or thousands of years before him. There is mention that God doesn't change a thing if and when he does except with better.

I will appreciate if you can elucidate on how exactly God spoke with Moses, Joshua and David? Was this from across the table while having tea as a clergy is reported to have said in Nigeria?

You have a problem with recognition by the then Arabs and should kindly explain this?

Baldwretch:
Poking fun? How? I am simply telling you to explain the thorny situation that Muhammad put his adherents.

If you go to the Middle East or any Muslim-dominated region today, there is real disobedience to the words of God with people eating the camel, lobsters, the prawn, all sorts of detestable meat that God has clearly identified as unclean and with people re-marrying their wives who had re-married because Muhammad said it's okay. Do it.

Making fun? How?

I fail to understand your interplay of seriousness and unseriousness.

With or without prophet Muhammad pbuh those who will disobey God or any other constituted authority in institutions like industries or government will. This is the individuality and free will of humans.

What is a delicacy to some is detested by others. The Chinese eat all sorts from bats, reptiles, roaches and all which was looked upon by a western writer as a window through which wild animal pathogens would cross the divide and afflict human beings. At least as far back as 2007 before the Covid epidemic however true or false it has been.

Baldwretch:
The root of food choices is left for God to tinker with, not with me and you. What is at the root of the food choice is not for me and you to debate. God has identified them as unclean for food. That is more than enough. If there has been a rule for what is clean and what is not before even Moses was born, during the time of Noah when the patriarch hadn't been born, more than a thousand years apart, how can you be asking this question. Are you going to ask us to explain why God instructs us in the way he does?

Save for blood and the pig, Muhammad essentially put away the food laws that God had given to us to obey for no apparent reason because they do not create a ripple effect in the society. In his depraved mind, these meat do not make us inherently bad and should not have been forbidden. How does eating the snake make you a bad person? Or the lizard? He is also asking the same question you are asking me and thus concludes by putting off the yoke that God had placed on us.



Taking sides on the matter. Can it be said that God made several leaves for what he had forbidden earlier? Why would he?

For someone who accuses the other of taking sides can you explain why you ignore the sayings of Jesus in the Bible which is a book written and compiled at least 300 years before the Mushaf of or the revelation of the Qur'an?

In all cases what has human advancement in scientific studies come to find about these?

Baldwretch:
Would he make leaves for what he had clearly forbidden before there was any law giver? Should it be said that the great God who inspired Moses, the great law giver, and spoke to him repeatedly over a span of 40 years also inspired Muhammad to set aside what he took pains to make known to us? Could Muhammad have been inspired by the same God to contradict and make a leave for what has been forbidden earlier? Can the Kingdom of God be likened to a kingdom, the kingdom of Nigeria, where different regions operate on different laws? Wouldn't these contradictions cast aspersion on and weaken the divine government when there are laws and counter laws during the reign of the same monarch? Can any good thing be said about his character? Who then is to be blamed for this, God or Muhammad? If you say God, that is unthinkable, for God can do no wrong and does not contradict himself. If you say Muhammad, that would also be problematic for the great prophet is inspired to say what the Lord his God says

The Muslim who sincerely wants to do God's will would find this counters very problematic and not try to defend Muhammad's stupidity. You asked me to prove how Muhammad contradicted the law and I just did that; using not one or two situations but three. Even if I could only dig up one where he contradicts laid down law, then we have enough to prove that he was not inspired by the same God that inspired Moses.

Well, well, you persistently make force about prophet Muhammad contradicting the laws and it seems to centre around just one;food. I wonder what the other two are.

In any case before Muhammad pbuh Jesus had essentially disqualified the law so why focus on Prophet Muhammad pbuh if one before him did same?