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greypencils:
You didn't say this in 2010 did you? Messi didn't win world cup, didn't win UCL yet he won BallondOr. No be juju be that?

so who should have won 2010?

Kingosytex:
Thanks for the clarification bro..
Thanks OJEEMAH, I'm now cleared.

welcome bro

Numerouno94:
Meself dey confused at the moment.

Ojeemah, Almiron abeg help us clarify this.

under normal circumstance, Messi should not have participated in 2022 FIFA Awards but then winning the World Cup in December which was still within FIFA calendar for the award changed everything.

That was why he didnt contest for Balon D’or cos it was done shortly before the World Cup in November

Kingosytex:
Sorry please, how many FIFA the best awards are they organizing this year?
I thought Leo already won this award sometime this year.

he won last year’s award

orohbiro:
Halaand deserve both the balloon do or and this award. How can
You win Golden booth at EpL
Win Golden booth at Uefa champions league
Win EPL,corabo and Fa cup, win Super cup, about to win world club cup and not win Balloon do or?
How can u decide balloon do or with a 3 weeks tournament? Crazy this clear rubbery

Best player not top scorer award.

However, both Messi and Haaland deserve to win

20, Messi battled Kaka & Ronaldo
21, Messi battled Ronaldo & Torres
22, Messi wrestled it from Ronaldo

22-32, Messi vs Ronaldo

33, Messi battled VVD
34, Messi battled Lewandoski
36, Messi Still de give Mbappe, Haaland & Vini run

After Ronaldo battled Messi for about 12-15years, Ronaldo retired from FIFA Best & Balon D’or contest at 33…..Messi carried on.

This obviously means, Messi is the definition of consistency

Almunjid:
6 years ago. Stale news.

stale or not, its his money not yours. He can decide to use it for whatsoever he wants.

Messi supported UNICEF and victims of earthquake in turkey. You didn’t applaud him but you are quick to compare, criticize and slander him over a news that was debunked as fake.

You should know where to draw the line. This is not football or something you should joke around with.

Almunjid:
U wey sabi use Google. After all ur arguments u can't give me example of one thing Messi he's doing with the money he's earning. Rest abeg!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/02/10/messi-ronaldo-mbappe-demiral-earthquake-turkey/

Always looking for fault. This news is not what anyone should use for banter.

However, the news was debunked. what will you say?

mayor1814:
Let me ask u dis. Apart from being an expert in scoring goals, I give that to him, what other aspect do u fancy Haaland?

but I just told you I don’t like his style of play cos his game is just about goal scoring. I prefer Harry Kane to him.

mayor1814:
Yeah I got ur point. All I'm just trying to emphasize is that MESSI IS THE ONLY PLAYER THAT DESERVES THE BALLON D'OR THIS YEAR. Haaland case is very weak. Poor performances in major finals and semi finals. And beside goals, I don't see any other special thing Haaland does well.


Should we start talking of Messi work rate, killer passes, dribbles, assists, motivating his teams etc? The list is endless. Clearly Messi deserves it.

Actually, I don’t fancy his style of play. Even Ronaldo that most people consider to be a tapin merchant uses the ball better in his early years.

Messi is a worthy winner but don’t write Haaland off

mayor1814:
Lionel Messi. The only deserving of it.


Haaland's case is weak for winning the
@ballondor
5 finals, 0 goals, 0 assist, 0 motm, his highest rating 6.8, Haaland in semi finals 0 goals, 0 assist, 0 motm. Modric won it for his performance at the World Cup. Messi deserves it.

Modric did not win Balon D’or because of his World Cup performance.

Don’t forget he did great in UCL with Madrid which earned him UEFA Player of the Year.

If you say Messi deserve it because of World Cup alone, many people will remind you of 2010.

Individually, no one comes close to Messi in 2010 but he had a weak performance in South Africa.

World Cup should have been used to judge the winner but there was no outstanding player at the World Cup.

Many people would argue that Sneijder deserves 2010 cos inter won treble and Netherlands did good at the World Cup but they individually Sneijder was not really fantastic.

If his individual performances were really good, Milito would not have beaten him to UEFA, Seria A & Inter Milan Player of the Year in 2010.

Just like Jorginho, Sneijder was just part a winning team though he was slightly better than Jorginho.

Iniesta should have won 2010. He won the world cup and every other thing with Messi.

Messi being a world champion and golden ball winner plus his outstanding performances in ligue one and Inter Miami.

Even though he won European Golden Boot and UCL Top scorer, missing the World Cup will likely reduce his chances of winning

Numerouno94:
Bro I dey fine oo. No vex say I no dey too halla u. Na tyt schedule. Omo, Messi jux they give us joy and bragging rights. Messi jux they press penaldogs neck.

How is my oga doing?

no wahala bro. I understand. Man must hustle na.

I de alright ooh….hope you are good?

Numerouno94:
Abi ooo.Na them go explain tire.

😂😂

How far na

AImiron:
Penadogs screamed his MLS free kick goals were scripted, I guess the one against Ecuador was scripted too. Una never see anything

Oju mi ma Bo 😂😂😂

You can’t please them

No just worry yourself…..going forward, we go join them de scream “scripted.”

Sizwezi:
Feeling guilty ? Because I don’t remember calling your name before you responded. You are one of the few people I respond to on here because you are civil, not like you don’t cap in your arguments but maintaining courtesy is something you try do, which is cool. If na to go dirty with anybody I game, but of what use is it ?

Guilty? Why should I when I know full well I don’t belong to that category. I responded because it was written under your reply to my post.

Not sharing same views does not mean I cap. I could also say the same about you.

Most people do not intend to go dirty. They were pushed by some uncouth and unguarded people who can’t control their emotions. It’s necessary sometimes cos some think say na only them get craze. Matching their energy is the only language they understand.

Sizwezi:
Go to his page and see the insults he is receiving because of his choice. Obviously I don’t mean drinking sniper literally, I am saying go Bleep yourself. Y’all most times have a problem when people pick CR7 as their choice, why ? I don’t know ! I come on here and read what majority of you type on here when the comparison starts and just laugh. It’s one thing to Troll and one thing to have a bitter heart towards someone. Honestly, for majority of you, it’s beyond trolling, it’s pure hate ! Y’all can continue, peoples choices would remain theirs.

Those that insulted him no get sense.

Direct your post to those that insults and attack him.

Sizwezi:
OBO ! If you are angry about his choice, drink sniper.

If you didn’t drink sniper when Rooney, a former teammate of Ronaldo labeled Messi the best ever, why should anyone be concerned about Davido’s choice?

Beverlyjean:
Argentina might still have won it cos , their title was based on penalties which any other player would have scored ...its not like Messi was the one winning the penalties... he was scoring them...again with what van gaal said , if FIFA decided to find to a way to make Argentina win the world cup because of Messi, then it's because of Messi they won it, but not in a genuine way ... barca won one champions league without the help of Messi in 06 cos he missed 90 percent of the games, but they still won it... he was influential to their wins in 2009 and 2011 but in 2015 neymar powered that team as well cos he also won joint top scorer... but in all of Ronaldos 5 Champions league titles, he was outrightly the teams undisputed best players ,the tournaments best player as well ...if not for halaand , City would not have won the CL last season . ..if not for lewandowski, Bayern would not have won their last Champions league... if not for Ronaldo, Portugal would not have won the Euros or nations league

how did Neymar power Barcelona in 2015?

Messi qualified them from the group stage with about 8goals

Suarez knocked Man City out in Round of 16

Suarez brace defeated PSG in the first leg of QF

Messi’s brace destroyed Bayern in the Semis

All Neymar’s goals came when they were already winning except the return leg against PSG…..even that one sef, Suarez brace already won them the first leg.

They had already won before Neymar scored against Juventus

fergie001:
Almiron 2
Obembet 0

We shall be back

You wan create another rivalry😂😂

Iqtest:
Leave him alone, he is just ignorant
He probably had no idea on revenues messi generated for barca and laliga too.
The clown has no idea on the number jerseys barca sold, Messi accounted for over 80% of barca jersey sales world wide, the cheapest jersey was about €155.99 from the barca store.
To get a jersey wore/signed by messi goes for nothing less than €2000.
Messi generated alot of revenue for Barcelona,
What about ticket sale?
We hardly fill the camp nou now despite having the cheapest ticket in spain, during Messi stay in barca 50-80% tourists in Spain try as much as possible to watch at least a match in camp nou.
But clowns still believed messi ruined barca, but they turn a blind eye to the outrageous spending of Bartomeu on flops like dest, Coutinho, dembele, lenglent and co.
I never believed a Barca fan would say this

Apt!

You are 💯✅

I deliberately did not want to mention how Messi generated revenue through Jersey sales, Tv rights, ticket sales and endorsement deals for the club.

Looking at the recklessness of Bartomeu is enough to know why the club is in serious financial turmoil.

Messi is no longer on Barca’s payroll but their wage bill is still above La liga benchmark yet Messi is to be blamed for their financial woes.

If Messi was guilty of all these allegations, why was Laporta trying to bring him back to the club?

Thanks for the schooling the guy jare

Eleyi gidi gan

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Dollywood:
I never said he was solely responsible, did I?

Also, Coutinho, Dembele and Greizmann could have been successful if we played like a real team.

if Iniesta, Xavi, Neymar, Suarez, Pedro, Busquet all played as a team, what stopped Coutinho, Dembele & Greizmann from doing same?

We had no real tactics than to pass to Messi. Too much power was given to Messi and it costed us.

No real tactics how? This tactics won them 3 UCL(2009, 2011 & 2015) and as many La liga title as possible.

Just go back in time and watch Sevilla V Barcelona in 2019, where Messi scored a hat trick, I presume. It was horrendous. Arsenal of today would have smacked us into shreds.

We were literally playing around Messi. The other players were clueless. In the opposition's final third, they wouldn't know if to cross or shoot. They'll look around and once they found Messi, they pass.

Clueless?

And what do you mean, they don’t know what to do in opposition final third when Neymar shared UCL Top Scorer playing with Messi in 2015.

Suarez won European Golden Boot playing with Messi in 2015.

Honestly, Barcelona gave Messi fame and power at the cost of the club's financial and intercontinental success.

Do you think Messi coming to this current Barcelona would help?

You and I do not know better than Xavi & Laporta that wanted him back.

From what I read, Xavi wanted him to be his chief playmaker. He was going to operate full time as a midfielder.

During Messi's tenure in Barcelona. Tell me, how many youngsters succeeded? When Pedri back then in 2021 looked generic. We couldn't concentrate on him because all eyes were on Messi.

football did not start in Pedri’s era.

Pedro, Busquet, Ansu Fati succeeded.

How old was Pedri when Messi left?

Someone that just graduated from La masia shortly before Messi’s exit.

Did Messi stop Barcelona academy from producing players?

Bartomeu prefer to buy instead of giving youngsters opportunity to develop.

Without Messi, we have Gavi, Pedri, Balde, Yamine, Araujo and co.

Messi had nothing to do with this.

Pedro played his best football with Messi
Busquet played his best football with Messi
Ansu Fati played his best with Messi

If the club abandon La masia graduates. The then president should be blamed cos if wanted to develop and promote them, he wouldn’t have spent crazy amounts on Coutinho, Dembele, Griezmann, Pjanic and others

The coach would also promote them to join the first team training sessions.

Pedri played well under Koeman and Messi was there too.

Before Messi left, we were hanging around with his old friends. We didn't want them to leave. Messi can be destructive, man.

With a lineup of deteriorated players like Pique, Alba, Busquet, Suarez, and Sergi, even Mbappe smashed a hattrick.

Messi never wanted change for Barcelona. Failure after failure, it took a massive uproar from the fans to kick out Suarez from the club. But we still had Alba, Busquet and Pique and Messi never wanted them to leave, whilst the youngsters were rotting.

same Suarez that played a pivotal role when ATM won the la liga or which Suarez are you taking about?

Even till date, Busquet and Alba are still balling.

Mention the youngster that would have benched Busquet or Alba at the time?

Look at it. Even in MLS, he brought his old friends. OMG.

You really don’t have anything to say than to criticize Messi. Even a harmless move to MLS is still a problem for you. Omo😮

Messi turned Barcelona into a family and friends house. When we damn know that football is a cold business.

Did he sign his family member or friends?

DON'T YOU THINK THAT WAS WHY LAPORTA SECRETLY KICKED MESSI OUT OF THE CLUB!?

So why was he trying to bring him back?

Think about it.

Laporta knew. Xavi Knew. But Messi was too big to be orchestrated. The fans will eat anyone who publicly criticise Messi, if even it's the true.

The fans will easily push Laporta out of the club just for Messi to play even if it means getting destroyed in the UCL every year.

It shows that many fans believe Messi is bigger than Barcelona, which is wrong.

False

Honestly, at club level, Messi can't perform exceedingly well without Barcelona. He can't play in somewhere built around hungry youngsters that want to play as a team.

The famous line of Ronaldo fans

But he just won the World Cup with youngsters like Enzo and Alvarez

Messi wants domination. That's why youngster hardly grow under Messi.

mention 3 youngsters that played with Messi and didn’t grow.

He wants the ball at his feet every 2secs. I hate that. A single player being the center of attention comes with great danger.

Messi is bad yet many players at club and national team level are ready to give anything to make sure he wins

Fearyourcreator:
With those top players with him so he shouldn't have scored... Oga go sleep ... PSG is the best team in their league and a top team compare to those teams you mentioned earlier in their group in UCL... PSG has quality players than the Barca he left sef... Which yeye truth are you saying ... So he shouldn't have scored bah... Nawa ooo

The bolded, PSG played those teams I mentioned in knock out games not UCL group. You were bragging that they got to the final before Messi joined. What I did was to show you how they were lucky to escape European heavyweights and sneaked to the finals that year.

Top teams have been knocking them out for many years. The only year they avoided Madrid, Barca, Bayern, City, Juventus, Liverpool & Chelsea in R16, Quarter & semis, was the year they made it to the finals. That’s too show you, with or without Messi, they no be threat for UCL.

Any top team that played Dortmund, Atalanta and Leipzig in knockout games is likely to play final so nothing special in PSG playing UCL final that year.

Is it about having quality players?

Were you expecting Messi to outscore the main striker Mbappe. Same person he’s expected to feed with passes?

When Madrid assembled galacticos, what did they achieve?

Man city that’s currently tormenting every club, how many world class players them get?

I have not disrespected and insulted you with my comments. If you can’t do same. Let’s end this discussion.

What’s the meaning of “which yeye truth or oga go sleep?”

Messi no de pay me neither is Ronaldo or anybody paying you.

Fearyourcreator:
He for no score and assist at na... Which one is winger or supporting striker... He is a forward player and stop this excuse abeg .. it's annoying...

it can only be annoying to you cos you no like truth

35 years old man play wing still manage to score 32goals and assisted 34 in 75games you still think it’s not enough.

If Ronaldo play wing for juventus and his return to Man U, e no go see half of the goals he scored then e go worse for club like PSG with Mbappe and Neymar cos those guys no go allow am take all the free kicks and penalties

Make una de try consider certain factor

Fearyourcreator:
Oga PSG got to finals before Messi... Agree Messi really didn't do well with PSG abeg... Am not saying is not a baller.... You just dey shout ... He didn't do well at PSG just like he did not do much at 2010 WC

How did they get to the finals?

Because they manage to defeat average Dortmund, Leipzig and Atalanta, does that mean they were good?

Why have they been struggling against big teams over the years?

As a winger, he contributed 32goals + 34 assists in 75 appearances. This is average cos it’s Messi

His first season was slow. His final season he contributed 20goals and 21 assists

Dollywood:
Well, I am. What makes you think I'm not?

my take on this is simple

Messi is not solely responsible for their financial woes.

Did you consider the recklessness of the former president Bartomeu?

That man wasted about 450-500m to sign Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele. If you add the huge salaries and allowances those guys were paid, that figure could go as high as 800m

How about selling Arthur for around 60m+ only to waste the money on Pjanic?

President Bartomeu made poor financial decisions.

After Messi’s exit, Barcelona have not been able to cut down their wage bill to meet la liga benchmark.

Laporta released Greizmann, Coutinho and many others but their wages was still more than a 100% that’s why they couldn’t register their new signings at the time cos in la liga you can’t spend more than 70% on salaries and wages.

They tried selling Coutinho but no one was willing to buy cos the transfer fee was too high and his salary was another stumbling block.

Have you also forgotten how Bartomeu abandoned La masia?

Bro, you can’t pin this on Messi alone.

Please read this article by Marc’s
https://amp.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2021/03/01/603d1f8622601da3538b4626.html

Jokerman:
Even, I as a Pessi hater, finds this funny...🤣🤣🤣

I never knew there are uefalona fans that hate Pessi...🙏🤣🤣🤣

Where's Almiron,TheirryJay, Ojeemah😂

Don’t be deceived. He’s not a Barca fan.

cjudy:
You Messi fans criticized Ronaldo for moving to Saudi league that the whole world have rejected him. Now una demigod have moved to Basketball league I wonder what you people will say. A league that’s ranked below Kano Pillars .

Well you don’t know me sha but if I’m playing in the league, I will score nothing less than 150goals in a season

The bolded, Kano pillars is ranked above Inter Miami not NPFL above MLS

Know the difference

Fearyourcreator:
You just talking rubbish cus they didn't do well with addition of Messi...

It’s rubbish cos you don’t have anything to say.

Sincerely answer the questions I asked let’s see if it will not expose your hatred and bitterness on Messi.

Is Dortmund a threat in UCL?
Is Atalanta not a UCL newcomer?
Does Leipzig have UCL pedigree?

In 2020, Bayern was the only UCL favourite they played in UCL and they lost like they have always done.

PSG have been playing UCL for many years. Have they really been good against big teams?

Let me not mention Madrid, Barcelona, Man City, Bayern, Liverpool & Chelsea. An average man United team defeated PSG in their turf.

Another fight go soon start😂

Fearyourcreator:
Nothing do PSG abeg ... They were in the ucl finals before Messi

Mention their opponents of shame no go catch you.

Atalanta, Dortmund & Leipzig

Knocking out 3 average clubs in a one legged tie doesn’t mean they were good.

Atalanta na champions league new comer
Dortmund na perennial bottlers in UCL
Leipzig no get UCL pedigree

If they had met, Madrid, Bayern, Man City, Liverpool or Chelsea in the knockout stage, na round of 16 they for boot them out.

The following year Man city knock boot them out of UCL home and away

Madrid knocked them out thereafter

This year Bayern still knack them