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brodalokie

Carefully study Acts 15 v 3,7,12,14,17,19,23...

Why did the Apostles refer to the Christians outside of Israel as gentiles?

1599 Geneva Bible

Acts 15

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?


11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 For it seemed good to the holy Ghost, and to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these necessary things.

29 That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

34 Notwithstanding Silas thought good to abide there still.

35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others the word of the Lord.

36 But after certain days, Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us return and visit our brethren in every city, where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.

37 And Barnabas counseled to take with them John, called Mark.

38 But Paul thought it not meet to take him unto their company, which departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.

39 Then were they so stirred, that they departed asunder one from the other, so that Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus.

40 And Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended of the brethren unto the grace of God.

41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, establishing the Churches.

brodalokie:
Christians are no longer gentiles. They are joint heirs with the Jews. The original Jews was rejected by God to focus on us. We are obliged to pay tithes to God. That's where your pastor live on. It can be money if you're earning your income as money and it can be food or animals, what matters is 10% of your substance is for God.
I hope you stop debating the word of God after this.
You must be baptized in the name of Jesus to become a true Christian otherwise you're just a rebranded pagan virus the devil used to destroy the truth...
JESUS IS LORD

If Christians outside of Israel were not gentiles, then explain what happened in Acts 15...and tell us who were referred to as gentiles there...

I thought people study their Bibles...

brodalokie:
Stop debating the word of God. Especially when you don't know what you are talking about. Christians are not non-jew as you call it. I have realized that you are not entitled to the information you are arguing about. You still have a long way to go. First you must find the true Christian church that worships the one and only true God, and then you are baptized in his name which is The Lord Jesus Christ and you must study and learn about this God and his word. When you have questions ask and you will receive, not debating his commandments because you're bored. God is not mocked...

You that knows what you're talking about...answer these questions I have been asking you since!

1) Where did God instruct tithes to be paid monetarily?

2) Give us examples of gentiles that tithed in the old or new testament!

Answer these questions and stop beating around the bush!!!

Cattle tithe
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem.

Ma'aser kesafim
Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law.




HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM


IF GOD HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED WHAT SHOULD BE TITHED, WHY DISOBEY GOD TO FOLLOW THE DOCTRINES OF GREEDY MEN?

Places that require tithing
The criterion for determining what places require the tithing of produce is any place within the country that was held by the Returnees from the Babylonian exile, as defined in the "Baraita of the Boundaries" of the Land of Israel;although today the land might be held by a different entity, or else worked by non-Jews, produce grown in those places would still require the separation of tithes when they come into the hand of an Israelite or Jew.

Tithes are broken-off during the Sabbatical year (such as when the ground lies fallow), during which year, all fruits, grains and vegetables that are grown of themselves in that year are considered free and ownerless property. For example, whatever lands were held by those returning from the Babylonian exile at the time of Ezra are forbidden to be ploughed and sown by any Jew during the Seventh year, and even if gentiles were to plough such land and sow it, the produce would be forbidden unto Jews to eat. On the other hand, the extension of such lands held by the people of Israel who departed Egypt and who entered the Land of Canaan under their leader, Joshua, are forbidden to be ploughed by any Jew during the Seventh year, but if gentiles had ploughed such land and sown it, the produce is permitted to be eaten by a Jew. If on a regular week-year, fruits and grains and vegetables, if grown by an Israelite in these places, would require tithing.

Terumat maaser

Terumat hamaaser was given by the Levite to the Kohen, and was one-tenth of what the Levite had received of the First-tithe. It is alluded to in the Hebrew Bible under the words, "a tithe (tenth) of the tithe" (Numbers 18:26). It, too, was considered Terumah, and was eaten by priests in a state of ritual cleanness. Today, the Terumat maaser is discarded because of general uncleanness, just as the Terumah is now discarded.

Demai

Demai (Mishnaic Hebrew: דמאי) is a Halakhic term meaning "dubious," referring to agricultural produce, the owner of which was not trusted with regard to the correct separation of the tithes assigned to the Levites, although the terumah (the part designated unto priests) was believed to have been separated from such fruits. In such "dubious" cases, all that was necessary was to separate the one-tenth portion due to the priests from the First Tithe given to the Levites, being the 1/100th part of the whole. The Second Tithe is also removed (redeemed) from the fruit in such cases of doubt.

Second tithe

Unlike other offerings which were restricted to consumption within the tabernacle, the second tithe could be consumed anywhere within the Walls of Jerusalem. On years one, two, four and five of the Shemittah-cycle, God commanded the Children of Israel to take a second tithe that was to be brought to the place of the Temple (Deuteronomy 14:23). The owner of the produce was to separate and bring 1/10 of his finished produce to the Old City of Jerusalem, after separating Terumah and the first tithe, but if the family lived too far from Jerusalem, the tithe could be redeemed upon coins (Deuteronomy 14:24-25). Then, the Bible required the owner of the redeemed coins to spend the tithe "to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish" (Deuteronomy 14:26). Implicit in the commandment was an obligation to spend the coins on items meant for human consumption.

Poor man's tithe
In years three and six of the Shemittah-cycle the Israelites set aside the (second) tithe instead as the poor tithe, and it was given to the strangers, orphans, and widows.

First tithe
The first tithe is giving of one tenth of the remaining agricultural produce (after removing from the produce the standard Terumah) to the Levite (or Aaronic priests). Historically, during the First Temple period, the first tithe was given to the Levites. Approximately at the beginning of the Second Temple construction, Ezra and his Beth din implemented its giving to the kohanim.

The Levites, also known as the Tribe of Levi, were descendants of Levi. They were assistants to the Aaronic priests (who were the children of Aaron and, therefore, a subset of the Tribe of Levi) and did not own or inherit a territorial patrimony (Numbers 18:21-28). Their function in society was that of temple functionaries, teachers and trusted civil servants who supervised the weights and scales and witnessed agreements. The goods donated from the other Israeli tribes were their source of sustenance. They received from "all Israel" a tithe of food or livestock for support, and in turn would set aside a tenth portion of that tithe (known as the Terumat hamaaser) for the Aaronic priests.

Terumah (Heave-offering)
The first obligation that was incumbent upon an Israelite or Jew was to separate from his harvested grain (wheat, barley, spelt, etc.), wine (including unpressed grapes) and oil (including unpressed olives) the one-fiftieth portion of these products (or one-fortieth, if he were a man of generosity; and one-sixtieth if he were stingy) and to give the same to a man of Aaron's lineage (priestly stock), who, in turn, would eat such fruits in a state of ritual cleanness, in accordance with a biblical command, "...and let him not eat of the holy things, until he bathes his flesh in water. And when the sun goes down down, he will be clean, and shall afterward eat of the holy things because it is his food" (Leviticus 22:6). This obligation was contingent upon the fact that such fruits grew in the Land of Israel. Later, the Rabbis made it an obligation to do the same for all fruits and vegetables grown in the Land of Israel, and not only to such fruits as grain, grapes and olives. With the destruction of the Temple and the cessation of ritual purity, the obligation to separate the Terumah continued unabated, although it was no longer given to a priest of Aaron's lineage, since bodily defilement was now pervasive. The general practice after the Temple's destruction was to separate the Terumah from all fruits and vegetables by removing even the slightest portion thereof, and to immediately discard it by burial or some other means of disposal (since it can no longer be eaten in the current state of ritual uncleanness, and those doing so would make themselves liable to extirpation).

djon78:
You gave me no proof.

You quoted Leviticus but I told you from the scriptures that Abraham was the first man that paid tithe.

Levi the father of the priests that collect tithes was already in the loins of Abraham paying tithe to Melchizedek according to the book of Hebrews.

Furthermore the same book of Hebrews made us to understand that the priesthood of Melchizedek which was a type of Christ was superior to priesthood of Aaron which you were quoting Leviticus.

Jesus Christ is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. A higher priesthood than Aaron.


so what proof did you give me?


Please go and ask the Lord to open your eyes if you really want to know. What I am saying is there in the scriptures.

JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY ON THE PROOF I GAVE YOU EARLIER THAT TITHING AS INSTRUCTED BY GOD IS NOT MONETARY IN NATURE


Tithes in Judaism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Tithing in the Temple
The tithe is specifically mentioned in the Books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. The tithe system was organized in a seven-year cycle, the seventh-year corresponding to the Shemittah-cycle in which year tithes were broken-off, and in every third and sixth-year of this cycle the Second tithe replaced with the Poor man's tithe. These tithes were in reality more like taxes for the people of Israel and were mandatory, not optional giving. This tithe was distributed locally "within thy gates" (Deuteronomy 14:28) to support the Levites and assist the poor. Every year, Bikkurim, Terumah, Ma'aser Rishon and Terumat Ma'aser were separated from the grain, wine and oil (Deuteronomy 14:22). Initially, the commandment to separate tithes from one's produce only applied when the entire nation of Israel had settled in the Land of Israel. The Returnees from the Babylonian exile who had resettled the country were a Jewish minority, and who, although they were not obligated to tithe their produce, put themselves under a voluntary bind to do so, and which practice became obligatory upon all.

djon78:
You gave me no proof.

You quoted Leviticus but I told you from the scriptures that Abraham was the first man that paid tithe.

Levi the father of the priests that collect tithes was already in the loins of Abraham paying tithe to Melchizedek according to the book of Hebrews.

Furthermore the same book of Hebrews made us to understand that the priesthood of Melchizedek which was a type of Christ was superior to priesthood of Aaron which you were quoting Leviticus.

Jesus Christ is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. A higher priesthood than Aaron.


so what proof did you give me?


Please go and ask the Lord to open your eyes if you really want to know. What I am saying is there in the scriptures.

Don't tell lies to make your point...or have you quickly forgotten all the rabbinical literatures I posted on this thread on how the Jews tithed in line with God's instructions?

Was gold or silver or money part of the items tithed?

Where in the old or new testament did gentiles tithe?


Now if you have the Spirit of discernment as you claim, have you bothered asking yourself why the subject matter of tithing was discussed in the letter of Hebrews which was addressed to the JEWS ALONE?.

Why wasn't this message of tithing included in the letters to the Phillippians, Colossians, Corinthians, Ephesians and other gentile churches?

DID TITHING APPLY TO THE GENTILES AND THE CHRISTIANS?

brodalokie:
Stop debating the word of God. I have told you how to join the body of Christ. Go and correct that before you can even have mouth to talk...

You have tried many times to derail this topic, but it is not working.

This thread was to discuss on tithes and what your fellow Pastorpreneur Ayo Oritsejafor is preaching as a false doctrine... and you're trying to do altar call here...

If you truly fear God and you are after the truth...

Tell us where God instructed tithes to be paid monetarily...
Also tell us where gentiles paid tithes in the old or new testament...

I wonder if the Berean Christians did wrong by questioning the teachings of Paul!

Only manipulators will allow false doctrines to flourish in the church all for their personal gain.

brodalokie:
You have been told the truth but you just enjoying debating and playing politics with sacred things of the most high.
Worship God with fear and trembling...

And what is the truth you have told?

That tithes can be paid monetarily? is that how God required tithes to be paid?

Also show us where gentiles were required to tithe.

Open the Bible and show us...or admit you are twisting God's word for personal gain...

djon78:
Like I said I will never waste my time on you. I have already passed the information I want to pass. And any article I see your type I will never keep quiet. I have passed the information I want to pass. Those with discernment and understanding will know and be saved from deception and distortion of God's holy word. My aim has been accomplished.

No one even understands what your aim is.
People have given you proof that tithing is obsolete and yet you are wallowing in pride and ignorance.

Show us where God instructed tithes to be paid monetarily or where Gentiles gave tithes... You have no scriptural reference to back up your points.

You claim the Jews tithe in their synagogues and you have been countered with sufficient evidence on that...

So what exactly is the point you are making?

djon78:
First of all I don't even think you are a born again. I don't think you have the Spirit of God in you. Because you don't talk like one.


Infact tithes is even irrelevant. If you like pay or not, but the issue here is the Salvation of soul. Yes Pastors may be swindling people but the Lord Jesus told us already that in the last days there will be false prophets. Jesus already warned us.

Also another thing the Lord said was that when he sowed good seeds, that while men slept the enemy came and sowed tares or weeds. But the harvest man wanted to remove the weeds but the Lord told him to leave the weeds alone. During the harvest time which is the judgement day, he will gather the wheat in one side and gather the weeds and burn them with fire.


So my dear the Lord Jesus already warned us, so your coming here to speak won't do anything. Face your life and ensure that you will enter into Gods kingdom. Your own soul.


Then for all these debate the main point of the scriptures is to learn from Israel and their walk with the Lord in the past and nothing more. Let me quote the important scriptures;



1 Corinthians 10 King James Version (KJV)

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

This was the whole essence of Israel's past to the present day church and these were example to us

Also

Hebrews 3 King James Version (KJV)

7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.


Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV)

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


From all these scriptures I quoted, Israel were as examples to us. The same gospel and message they were preached was the same gospel we are being preached now.


So we should beware of people that don't talk the whole counsel of God. They leave the weightier lessons that has eternal consequences and be pursuing less weightier matters. Be very ware of them. I am posting all these things so that those that immature believers will recognize these antics and be wiser. God bless you all.

And you that claims to be born again... it is very clear you do not have a spirit of discernment nor understanding.


Please show us where God instructed tithes to be paid monetarily. Do this without adding to God's word.

Also show us where in the old or new testament gentiles tithed.

I wonder how a law meant for the Jews is now necessary for Christians to follow

Now you admit tithes are irrelevant abi? So should we keep mute and allow false doctrines emanate from the pulpit?

If you see evil and keep quiet, also know you are an accomplice...

djon78:
First of all I don't even think you are a born again. I don't think you have the Spirit of God in you. Because you don't talk like one.


Infact tithes is even irrelevant. If you like pay or not, but the issue here is the Salvation of soul. Yes Pastors may be swindling people but the Lord Jesus told us already that in the last days there will be false prophets. Jesus already warned us.

Also another thing the Lord said was that when he sowed good seeds, that while men slept the enemy came and sowed tares or weeds. But the harvest man wanted to remove the weeds but the Lord told him to leave the weeds alone. During the harvest time which is the judgement day, he will gather the wheat in one side and gather the weeds and burn them with fire.


So my dear the Lord Jesus already warned us, so your coming here to speak won't do anything. Face your life and ensure that you will enter into Gods kingdom. Your own soul.


Then for all these debate the main point of the scriptures is to learn from Israel and their walk with the Lord in the past and nothing more. Let me quote the important scriptures;



1 Corinthians 10 King James Version (KJV)

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

This was the whole essence of Israel's past to the present day church and these were example to us

Also

Hebrews 3 King James Version (KJV)

7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.

11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.


Hebrews 4 King James Version (KJV)

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


From all these scriptures I quoted, Israel were as examples to us. The same gospel and message they were preached was the same gospel we are being preached now.


So we should beware of people that don't talk the whole counsel of God. They leave the weightier lessons that has eternal consequences and be pursuing less weightier matters. Be very ware of them. I am posting all these things so that those that immature believers will recognize these antics and be wiser. God bless you all.

And you that claims to be born again... it is very clear you do not have a spirit of discernment nor understanding.


Please show us where God instructed tithes to be paid monetarily.

Also show us where in the old or new testament gentiles tithed.

I wonder how a law meant for the Jews is now necessary for Christians to follow

dorox:
Don't mind pastor brodalokie, he is only trying to defend the source of his livelihood.

The annoying part is that he knows the truth, but won't admit it

brodalokie:
I am not playing politics with the word of God through debate. I am trying to save you guys from the corruption you're playing with.

Read Matthew 24:14

Save yourself from the corrupted messages you have heard from Charlatans on the pulpit first!

You cannot remove the speck from another person's eye when you have logs of wood in yours.

Kindly tell us where God demanded tithes to be paid monetarily.
Also show us in the old and new testament where Gentiles gave tithes.

djon78:
The more I see all the comments I have come to conclusion that majority of people don't care for their soul.



People are debating about money, tithe but they are never saved. The only topic they will discuss is tithe but when you talk of salvation of their souls, it doesn't mean anything to them.


But let me say it; Jesus said that the road to life is very narrow and only very few people have found it.

People will claim they are Christians but their lifestyle does not show in any way that they are Christians.


The road is narrow, find the Lord today. Seek genuine repentance and salvation for your souls, now that you still have time. Today is the day of salvation, night time is coming. I will conclude with this passage;

1 John 2 King James Version (KJV)


15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

We must ensure that our lives are in line with the Word of God.

I think you are missing the point here. No one is against giving to the needy, less privileged or to promote God's work...

People are angry at the deceit and lies emanating from the pulpit...from men of God who were once trusted, only to find out they have been preaching false doctrines which many of them refuse to admit.

These Pastorpreneurs deceivers have preached God's blessings is for sale to the highest tither/seed sower...

IS THIS WHAT JESUS PREACHED?

People have been serving Mammon thinking that they've been serving God all this while...


I am still looking for where God said tithes can be paid with silver or gold or cash... Yes, the same God who said all the silver and gold is His...


Bunch of truth twisting rouges!

brodalokie:
You need Jesus

I am asking you questions and you are telling me I need Jesus?

I think you need Jesus more than ever...
How can you see a simple and straightforward truth but still stubbornly cling unto a false doctrine like a Pharisee?


Open your Bible and check from Genesis to Revelation and tell us where you saw any gentile that gave tithes... Or where God demanded tithes to be paid monetarily...

I'm waiting for you to add to God's word to make your points!

brodalokie:
Well, I thought a Christian brother like yourself should understand what Israel represents, where they stand now and how we come in. Inside this program, there is tithing and that's 10% of your income or what you make.

One more question brother. Where you baptized in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost in water?

Read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and tell us where God mentioned tithe to be 10% of income instead of crops and livestock.

Also show us where the Gentile church gave tithes in the new testament..or where any gentile gave tithes in the old testament!

sleekymag:
You're wrong. They do not tithe in Jewish synagogues today. You can Google it up. Tithes would only resume in Jerusalem (Israel) when the temple has been rebuilt, and it will involve only agricultural and livestock produce from the land of Israel. Jews all over the world give, yes they do, but they do not tithe because they know better.

I just kept quiet when he said Jews tithe in their synagogues...

I was wondering which Levite without inheritance they were giving tithes to...

djon78:
Read my reply again, if you can't get the answer there, then I can't help you. Tithing is not just alone, it walks with faith, with diligence, hardwork infact the whole counsel of God.


If you tithe in unbelief or lack of knowledge or you are lazy etc how will you have success.

Also you can work hard, be diligent and not tithe you might be successful but when the devourer remembers you. Nothing will save you. I have seen those who with all their wealth lose almost everything.

So it all leads back to Gods blessing. God's blessings never fade. Blessing of man never lasts but the blessing of God is trans generation

And what of those that paid tithes, believed in it and died of terminal diseases?

What of those who pay tithes, believe in it...and still go around begging money for house rent or school fees?

djon78:
Read my reply again, if you can't get the answer there, then I can't help you. Tithing is not just alone, it walks with faith, with diligence, hardwork infact the whole counsel of God.


If you tithe in unbelief or lack of knowledge or you are lazy etc how will you have success.

Also you can work hard, be diligent and not tithe you might be successful but when the devourer remembers you. Nothing will save you. I have seen those who with all their wealth lose almost everything.

So it all leads back to Gods blessing. God's blessings never fade. Blessing of man never lasts but the blessing of God is trans generation

You earlier mentioned I was quoting parts of the Bible to support my argument on tithing...so I'll make this very simple for you.

1) Open your Bible and check from Genesis to Revelation and show us where any gentile gave tithes.

2) Also show us where God demanded tithes to be paid monetarily i.e. gold, silver or cash. Without adding to God's word...

Note: Money was very much in use by the Israelites when God gave them the laws of tithing...

djon78:
Who control majority wealth in our present world? Which people control a substantial part of global finance?

The jews are very small population in the US but they are the most successful group. During the era of Nazi Germany, they were controlling significant wealth in Europe that's one reason Hitler went after them and confiscated their wealth.

Why are they very successful; the blessing God pronounced on the man Abraham. And that blessing is still following them till today. They have the highest number of winners of noble prize in sciences, physics, chemistry, medicine which is the bedrock of science and development in today's world.

The wisdom in the book of proverbs can turn any adherent follower of it into major success.

The jews in their synagogues today still pay tithe. They are grade one givers.

I asked a simple question on Africans that tithe diligently.... Why aren't they controlling the wealth like the Jews do? Or they are no longer spiritual Jews?

djon78:
What was the entire book of Acts was talking about. The coming of the Holy Spirit, working of signs and wonders, salvation of souls of men, healing and spreading of the gospel of Christ. The book of Hebrews still talked about tithe, but the main focus of that epistle was the sonship of Jesus, the high priesthood of Jesus, faith and many other things.


If you want let's do a discussion on the book of Acts or the book of Hebrews not just extracting a verse. Let's talk about the whole counsel of God

So there are no lessons to be learnt from Acts 15? Does it state that tithing is necessary to access God's blessings as a follower of Jesus?

djon78:
You quote scriptures but forget to tell us what is God saying in the now. In the present.

I give God one tenth of my income out of a cheerful heart and devotion to my God. I get bless from doing that. And you come to tell me to stop what God on the inside of me convinced me to do.

What can I call this. And the funny thing is that you won't discuss the important, weightier matters in God's word like salvation from sin, living for God, repentance, saving the lost, healing but only tithes.

So please follow your own way let me follow my own. In the end we will know. Remain blessed.

What God is saying in the present?

Let's start from Acts 15 where some rabble-rousers and confusionists in the church were preaching that gentiles have to be circumcised and obey the Mosaic Laws (tithing inclusive) to be saved...

What was the resolution of the meeting of the Apostles in Jerusalem? did they ask Christians to tithe as one of the requirements of being a Christian?
I am talking of the new covenant era now, please read Acts 15 and tell us how far?

Also be kind to tell us where Jesus told His followers to pay tithes as access to God's blessings...since He is the way, truth and life....

Also tell us where Jesus or the Apostles levied tithes on Christians...

I am keen on learning...

djon78:
That's why I said you people argue without logic. The Bible was written by inspiration of God.

To interpret the scriptures you don't just quote things. What is God saying about it by His spirit indwelling in a believer.

Even during Jesus times, money was already been used. Taxes were paid to Roman Empire, that was why when they came asking him to pay his and his disciples tax, he instructed one of his disciples to go and catch a fish. To open it's mouth and see money to pay their tax.

In today's Jewish synagogues do they tithe? yes
And what do they tithe with? Is it not money? Does anyone of them tithe with agricultural products in today's world.

Why is it that Jess today control a huge part of global money? Why are they good in finance, handling of money?

And the Africans that have been tithing diligently...why are they still ranked amongst the poorest in the world?

Wait, your argument now is that the Jews are wealthy because they tithe? What of the Africans that tithe? why aren't they controlling money like the Jews on a global scale?

djon78:
That's why I said you people argue without logic. The Bible was written by inspiration of God.

To interpret the scriptures you don't just quote things. What is God saying about it by His spirit indwelling in a believer.

Even during Jesus times, money was already been used. Taxes were paid to Roman Empire, that was why when they came asking him to pay his and his disciples tax, he instructed one of his disciples to go and catch a fish. To open it's mouth and see money to pay their tax.

In today's Jewish synagogues do they tithe? yes
And what do they tithe with? Is it not money? Does anyone of them tithe with agricultural products in today's world.

Why is it that Jess today control a huge part of global money? Why are they good in finance, handling of money?

I am still asking where God instructed tithes to be paid with money. If your argument is because money was not in use back in the days, then tell us what the Israelites used to create the GOLDEN calf...and why God didn't ask for gold or silver or money as part of the things to be tithed.

Unless you know more than God who gave the instruction on tithing...the feel free to add to His words...

Cattle tithe
An additional tithe mentioned in the Book of Leviticus (27:32-33) is the cattle tithe, which is to be sacrificed as a korban at the Temple in Jerusalem.

Ma'aser kesafim
Ma'aser kesafim is a tithe that Jews give to charity (tzedakah), something that is done on a voluntary basis, as this practice has not been regulated in Jewish codes of law.




HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THESE...I'M STILL AT A LOSS AS TO WHERE THE CHURCH GOT IT'S DOCTRINE OF OBLIGATORY MONETARY TITHING FROM


IF GOD HAS CLEARLY INSTRUCTED WHAT SHOULD BE TITHED, WHY DISOBEY GOD TO FOLLOW THE DOCTRINES OF GREEDY MEN?

Places that require tithing
The criterion for determining what places require the tithing of produce is any place within the country that was held by the Returnees from the Babylonian exile, as defined in the "Baraita of the Boundaries" of the Land of Israel;although today the land might be held by a different entity, or else worked by non-Jews, produce grown in those places would still require the separation of tithes when they come into the hand of an Israelite or Jew.

Tithes are broken-off during the Sabbatical year (such as when the ground lies fallow), during which year, all fruits, grains and vegetables that are grown of themselves in that year are considered free and ownerless property. For example, whatever lands were held by those returning from the Babylonian exile at the time of Ezra are forbidden to be ploughed and sown by any Jew during the Seventh year, and even if gentiles were to plough such land and sow it, the produce would be forbidden unto Jews to eat. On the other hand, the extension of such lands held by the people of Israel who departed Egypt and who entered the Land of Canaan under their leader, Joshua, are forbidden to be ploughed by any Jew during the Seventh year, but if gentiles had ploughed such land and sown it, the produce is permitted to be eaten by a Jew. If on a regular week-year, fruits and grains and vegetables, if grown by an Israelite in these places, would require tithing.