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I have never been in support of monetary tithes and firstfruits.

However, this is a different scenario altogether. Why should the man be discouraged from supporting the Pastor's ministry?

Is it a bad thing to give to the church out of your freewill?

If the man eventually reneges on the monthly pledge he made to the Pastor...will the 10k automatically solve all the financial challenges the family is going through?

If Jesus lived for 33 yrs and 6 months...

6 months from today should be Good Friday right?

But good Friday isn't in June/July...

Something isn't adding up...


Can the December 25th apologists help out?

And for those against December 25th...what is the accurate date?

Akin1212:
Wow, so it's been a year long. OkaiCorner, how do you do?

Doing great bro! Thanks for checking.

How time flies...

nelsonoba:
No problem. The law has been abolished. You are now free to commit murder and adultery as well because they are no longer sin from the day the law was abolished by you.

No need to argue with you again. The best I can do for you is to pray for your salvation so you can encounter Christ.

So how did Joseph know that fornicating with Potiphar's wife is a sin against God?

How did Cain know he sinned against God by killing Abel?

How did they know when they were not under the Law too?

Julivas:
Brethren, don't let us dwell on this issue and leave out the most important one. The most important thing is your and my salvation. If we have given our lives to Christ Jesus, then let's leave this issue of tithe to our conviction and don't let us judge.

As learned brethren, I think we can meditate on this scripture
Matthew 23 : 23
“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy, and faith. These ought ye to have done and not to leave the other undone.

Thanks

Are you aware Matthew 23 v 23 was referring to the Mosaic Law?


Does the Mosaic Law apply to Christians?

MuttleyLaff:
Let's no believe the hype that Abram's decision to tithe from the spoils of war was voluntary.
It was not a voluntary decision to tithe.

It is a well known historical and documentated fact that Abram tithed in line with the prevailing Mesopotamia custom to tithe
Artifacts shows and testifies to heathens practice of tithing. It was the status quo.

alBHAGDADI & OkCornel, recognise that Abram was following tradition
but chose to give tithe to God rather than to an ordinary and other deity(ies) as was being practised by the natives.

The custom is to locate a local ruler cum priest worthy of consideration to give tithe of proceeds of war to.
As for Abram, Melchizedek footed the bill, he was suitable and perfect for the purpose.

Duly noted

id911:
BMC will put up one news about Atiku, next they put up another one and called the previous one, fake. Both are handiwork of BMC. I don't know what next they are up to

As in eh...

Sundayomeje posts around 11:09 and the OP "counters" it at 11:29....


These guys ain't smart at all...

budaatum:
Happy birthday, again.

Thanks buda!

I'm full of gratitude. You remembered.

adaeze91:
u said this bcoz ur money is not involve, the open is a fraudster period

You must think you're the only person that has transacted with him isn't it?


Should we now label him a fraudster because of a bad deal?

Should we also disregard the feedback of those on this thread that had a good business with the OP?

Na wa ooo...

tbliss22:
I have done this for people for almost 4years without issues not until last yam season (2017) which flopped due to very little availability of trucks to majorly Lagos State, PH, Akwa-Ibom and Bayelsa which made tubers to stay too long in the market leading to selling at heavy loss.

Every biz has it's risk sir, those affected are in my records and I have plans for them all.

It's an open biz and I have always said it here over and over again that if you don't trust my services then look somewhere else or do the traveling yourself.

Finally, I'm working things out to mitigate against repeat of what happened the last season until the problem is fixed all activities here will be on a halt.

The turn of events is rather unfortunate. Every business venture has its risk of setbacks and misfortune. I trust you'll bounce back...

brocab:
I will give 1mage123 a little credit, he does stand fern with his beliefs, 1mage 123, is from another land in the past-the future today states not of Israel-not a Gentile-and not a Christian!
Everybody knows if a Jew believes in Christ, he/she is no longer a Jew 'but a Christian. But if a Christian does tithe, than he/she is no-longer a Christian, but a Old Testament Jew..
The truth is-we all need to go back to the Word of God-if tithing is never for the Christians, then it is best not to disobey the Word of God. "But if someone wanted to tithe then it's simple, he/she is deafeningly not practicing to be Christian, "but a Jew!

If he can bring examples of Christians that tithed from the Bible, that will give a headway in this discussion...

Question: Please can any of the pro-tithers give an example of Christians in the Bible that tithed?

Image123:
Mat 23:23  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 

The LORD Jesus said that the weightier matters of the law are judgment, mercy, and faith. But okaicorne is talking about 600 laws of Moses, maybe he is a comedian or drunk to think i would take his words higher than that of my Lord. You obviously lack understanding. i just said and quoted that tithing is NOT a weightier matter of the law and asked you why you obey the weightier matters of the law. But all of a sudden, you want me to "prove to us that tithing is as essential, compulsory and important for every human being as Justice and Mercy?" Tell me you were not typing under the influence.

Are you under the Law? Yes or No.

Do you consult the Mosaic Law before showing Justice and Mercy?

Besides...do you tithe with dill, mint and cummin as Jesus spelt out in Matthew 23 v 23?


Your answer to these questions will show you how silly it is asking me why I'm obeying the "weightier part of the law" ... When I was never under the Law in the first place...

Get the basics right. The Mosaic Law was for the Jews and not all of humanity.

Little wonder you'll find it difficult seeing gentiles like Job or Ruth or Luke and many others giving tithes!

Cc: brocab, Muttleylaff

Originakalokalo:
I have read your post. You can go now.

Thanks.

Bros... I did not mention you. No need to mention me...

I just find the logic hilarious...

Admission is free... you only pay for admission form and tuition fees

Admission to university is free... you only have to pay for admission forms and tuition fee

enilove:
Was Abraham a Levite?

Tithing was not deliberated on in the new testament because there was no objections to tithing among the disciples .
If there was no need for tithing , the apostles would have written concerning that in form of instructions or in one way or the order.
That is why churches for the past 2000 years had been collecting tithes and it is not now, after 2000 years, that someone would start questioning it.

Please give us scriptural and historic reference of the Apostles and leaders of the early church preaching and collecting tithes from Christians.

A simple research on history of tithing in the church will tell you that the Roman Catholic Church smuggled in tithing with one of their synods...over 700 years after the early church...

Pathetic

asuustrike1:
Jesus was never against tithing. O ye gate of hell moving from thread to cause confusion repent before it is too late. You only have the chance to ammend your ways on this planet as after death no mercy

Jesus was never against the Mosaic Law in its entirety...

Can you tell us why you don't obey all the Mosaic Laws?

enilove:
Was Abraham a Levite?

Tithing was not deliberated on in the new testament because there was no objections to tithing among the disciples .
If there was no need for tithing , the apostles would have written concerning that in form of instructions or in one way or the order.
That is why churches for the past 2000 years had been collecting tithes and it is not now, after 2000 years, that someone would start questioning it.

You're asking if Abraham was a Levite...

Did Abraham collect tithe from anyone? Is Abraham a priest?

Can you show us where Jesus or any of the Apostles mentioned CHRISTIANS should tithe?

Was Jesus and the Apostles collectors of any tithe anywhere in the Bible...if they weren't, where are Pastors of today getting their authority from?


Also, I'd like to know where God specifically made tithes monetary as it is done in the church today.

enilove:
Freeze and his agents of darkness at work.

Why would Jesus collect tithes and offerings? Was Jesus the high priest ?

How come this freezer man has not read his bible to where Jesus consented to tithings?
The answer is simple , freezer or fridge is not a christian but an agent of darkness.

I wonder why his target is towards tithes and firstfruits.

Why has he not for once spoken against the Book Haram and the Fulani killings at all ?

Judgement is in the hand of God. He should face his job and stop paying his own tithe.

But the Pastors of today that are collecting tithes, they are Levites and High Priests I guess...

Even one scriptural reference to show tithing was practiced in the early church cannot be seen...

Sad...

gensteejay:
Who knows the whereabouts of OtemAtum?

He could be on a spiritual retreat...

I expect him to be back with a bang...

brocab:
petra1: Is Catholic, they don't call their giving a tithe, because there main focus is on purgatory and indulgence, they believe paying into there treasury, saves them abundantly, it's a get out of Hell card, it saves them from burning.
But I suppose tithers, believe tithing blesses them, the more they tithe, God's building their mansions in heaven..

It's nauseating how people tell lies and twist the scriptures just for money...

1) They'll say Abraham is their role model on tithing ...but they downplay the part where Abram tithed only once in his lifetime, which was from the spoils of war.

2) Then they try to refer to Matthew 23 v 23 as their shield of defense ... but will never agree that Jesus was referring to tithing done in line with the Mosaic Laws... When you ask if they as Christians are under the Mosaic Law...then they say they're no longer under the Law, but yet still insist tithing ought to be done

up till now... they have not shown any evidence from the Bible or church history where the Apostles and early church leaders asked the Christians to tithe...

plainbibletruth:
Topic: Is Tithing Relevant to Christian Age?
By Tim Iwe (Evang) 07038669369

Introduction
It is quite a blessing to have the privilege of writing an article like this at a time that this subject is in the airwave. There may not have been a best time to discuss this than now. My appreciation goes to Lusada congregation for creating the platform to share this special information so that many will not be ignorant of the will of God (1Thess.4:13). It is said that if you are not informed, you will be deformed. Christianity is an area that many are deformed from time to time due to acceptability of different personality as authority instead of looking for that which is right from the Holy book. The Pharisees asked Jesus “…by what authority do you do these things and who gave you that authority” (Matt.21:32) There is need to find out the source of authority of your action especially on matters of faith for false teachers are in the field deceiving many.
The subject of tithe paying have been a heated argument in the Christian faith from time to time. I call your attention to some reasons in the written word of God concerning this subject. I plead with you to examine the reasons stated below so that you can know that you are obeying God when you pay tithe or not. An action comes from faith in God when it is according the will of God (Heb.11:6) and the will of God is written in the book of life.

Origin of tithe in Ancient Palestine
In the first place, where did Abram who first gave tithe to Melchizedek (Gen.14) got the idea from? There was no law given to our Patriarchal fathers like Adam, Noah, Abram, Isaac and even Jacob to pay tithe. According to the work of Let Us Reason Together, (2009) “Giving a tithe (a portion) was not just a practice by Israel, in ancient history it was practiced throughout the Middle East. It was income for the king and his kingdom, like a tax. It may be regular, voluntary or prescribed by law of a certain country. The Egyptians were required to give a fifth part of their crops to Pharaoh (Gen. 47:24). Abraham, Jacob and others were familiar with this principle being in foreign lands; however, it was not yet given as a command for their nation.

How and Why did Abraham and Jacob paid tithe?
Let us now call attention to one misconception about Abram and tithe paying. There are many who make reference to Abraham today when they want to pay tithe. Paul made it clear that we are children of Abraham by faith (Rom.4:1) Let me shock you first by opening your eye to this truth that reading well about the first tithe recoded in the Bible, you will understand that Abraham did not even give tithe from his possession. Read the statement again. I mean it and that is the truth. He paid tithe only once in his life time. It was not commanded but incidental. He gave tithe from the spoils that he brought back with him from a war (Gen.14:1-18). He gave away ten percent of other people’s captured commodities (Heb.7:4) Note that verse 4 of Hebrews chapter 11 calls it “spoils” Let me also make you to understand that Abraham did not even take any part of what he used in paying that tithe home (Gen.14:21-24) You can now see that Abraham did not became rich because he paid tithe. He was rich before paying tithe once for life which was not from his possession. The tithe Abraham paid is NOT by command but a free will offering. Abraham was never taught or instructed by God to give a tenth, nor did he discover the law of tithing.
As recorded in Genesis 28: 20: ”And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father’s house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God’s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.” This second case recorded before the law of Moses was done once too. Why take a command from what these men decided to do on their own not commanded by God?

Law of tithe among the Jews
Let us now look briefly into the law of tithe given to the children of Israel and see if it is the same with what is going on in so called godly assembly today. Because of space, it will be in an outline format here but it will be understandable too. Akpobọmẹ (2018) in his work on tithe classified the OT tithe into 4.
1. The Main Tithe: all Israelites were commanded to pay this to the Levitical priests (Num.18:19-32; Mal. 3:7-10). See also Deut.18:3-8; Neh. 13:10-12).
2. Yearly Tithe: every Jewish family is expected to celebrate once every year with their families in Jerusalem or a selected location by God (Deut.14:22-27; 2Ch.6:6).
3. The Third Year Tithe: This was a communal fellowship for the poor, the widows, and the strangers, which was celebrated before God once every three years. It was equally important under the Law of Moses just like the other tithes (Deut. 14:28, 29).
4. The Tithe of Tithes: This was the tithe to be given by the Levitical priests to God from the tithe they collected from the Israelites (Num.18:25-28).

It is Disobedience to Pay tithe with Money
There is another important eye opener we want to show you now. Are you ready for the shocker? It is act of disobedience to God for a Priest to collect tithe from a fellow Priest (Num.18:21,24,26) for the Levites were not allowed to have inheritance. It is also showing a high level of disrespect to the grace of God today to pay tithe with money. Yes, the reason is that such kills the purpose of the tithe (Deut.14:24-26) God did not ask Israel to give their money but to give food items. It seems to me that you are saying in your mind that is what I have today. If God is omniscient, then He knows that you have money today but did not ask you to pay money as tithe. The Jews had money then too but God asked for products from them not money (Deut 26:13)

The Change of Priesthood and its Implication
It is painful that the most confusion that exist in Christian faith today is as a result of many not accepting that God has done away with the laws of Moses. It is not a challenge that stated today, even the Jews find it very difficult to accept that simple truth. That was the war between them and Paul in his earthly ministry. The author of the Book of Hebrews in Chapter 7 gave a analysis that concluded in verse 12 with this statement “For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law” Why are many people fighting God today who made it clear that He had done away with the first covenant upon which the law was set. He has done away with the Levitical priesthood upon which tithe was set. Please, can take a break and read the bible passages below and your eye of understanding will open to these simple truth. (2Cor.3:6-12;Heb.10:9,10;Rom. 7:1-7; Col. 2:14,16; Gal. 3:24,25)

Divine law of Giving in Christianity
You then may be wondering how will the church care for her workers and meet her daily needs and mission projects. Like most other organizations, the church needs financial income to accomplish her work. Knowing this, God has authorized churches to raise funds by taking up collections from the members (1 Cor. 16:1,2; 2 Cor. 8 & 9; Acts 4:32-5:11; 11:27-30; 2:44,45). However, the principle guiding collection by Christians is different from the one guiding the payment of tithe.
Let Us First Give Our Lives to God’s work freely today
Our lives presented as holy offering on the water of baptism for the remission of sins is what is most important to God (Acts.2:36-42) The kingdom of God on earth in a composition of those who have given their lives to be guided by the doctrine of the Apostles (Acts 2:42) They are saints whose minds are going through transformation daily till it gets to perfection (Rom. 12:1-2) These are disciples who have been taught and determined to give according to their ability.. (See also 2 Cor. 8:12; Mark 12:41-44; Matt. 25:14-30.)

Conclusion
The law of old was interested in the physical or the man while the law of liberty in Christ is interested in the heart of man and why you do what you are doing. Giving is one way you show your service to God and it must be done as you propose in your heart, cheerfully and not by compulsion. Tithe is of compulsion and therefore is a cause in this dispensation to any to pay it and fail in other laws (Gal.3:10) God loves a cheerful giver.

Work Cited

1. Diffrẹ-Odiete Akpobọmẹ New Testament Christianity
and Payment of Tithe (2018)

2. http://www.letusreason.org/doct54.htm

3. Wiersbe , Warren W. The Bible Exposition Commentary: Old Testament © 2001-2004 by All rights reserved

Cc: image123. I hope you can see the obvious facts on tithing here.

I'll be waiting for you to use Matthew 23 v 23 to defend yourself... and then later on claim that you are no longer under the Mosaic Law...

Tithing was not practiced in the early church...the Roman Catholic church smuggled it in with one of their synods.

Also...God never asked for tithe to be given monetarily. If you want to tithe, do it as God instructed it...

Waiting for the monetary tithe loving, seed sowing bounty hunters to counter this with the scriptures...

mobiyina537:
your tithes.There's no need to beat around the bush.Hebrews compares
Christ to Melchizedek and says he is greater than the Levites.So today we pay
our tithes to Christ and don't have to send it to Shiloh temple or to some
Isreali rabbi[color=#F5F5F5].[/color]

A few questions... did the Apostles collect tithes on behalf of Christ in the early church?

Did they mention Christians (both Jewish and Gentiles) have to tithe?

Any evidence from the Bible or from Church History?

I am wondering why this was addressed to the Hebrews alone...and not also to the gentile Christians in Corinth, Galatia, Rome, Thessalonica, Ephesus, Colossia e.t.c.

petra1:
i consented to the inteligent question he asked you. i am not an advocate of the law. my position has always been that tithes ,offerings,worship,fasting,intercession etc are principles in the kingdom of God just like any other kingdom principles. They transcend dispensations except issues where higher laws were given . eg animal blood vs blood of christ

You're not an advocate of the law....but you missed the part of the question where image123 mentioned WEIGHTIER MATTER OF THE LAW & LESS WEIGHTIER MATTER OF THE LAW... and you still see that as an intelligent question? And yet you are not an advocate of the Law?

How is tithing a principle in the kingdom of God?

Was this what Paul and the Apostles taught the early church? I know of freewill giving... But tithing?

If tithing was an eternal principle... can you point out any of the early Christians (both Jewish and Gentile) that gave tithes either in the Bible or church history?

Image123 is yet to give evidence of any of the Apostles or early church leaders preaching about tithing or collecting tithes from the early Christians... Do you have proof that tithing was practiced in the early church?

It is very clear that the Roman Catholic church smuggled in tithing... Sufficient historical evidence abounds to support this...

petra1:
great is thy wisdom. ko ni tan mbe.

That means one has to obey all of the Laws either the weightier parts or less weightier parts isn't it?

Later you all say you are no longer under the Law...

Self contradiction...

petra1:
Does God need to his them special instruction ? There was a structure of how to worship God. Even for proselytes

Exodus 12:49
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Did the gentiles tithe? Yes or no

Look at the key word in the verse you posted there "SOUJOURNETH AMONG YOU"

Doesn't it tell you that gentiles were never any under obligation to tithe as well? ... Unless of course you (as a gentile) were resident in Israel as a farmer or cattle rearer


This law you're talking of...does it apply to Christians too?

sexybaby22:
Don't wait, why not seek him out and test him yourself. The whites don't wait for knowledge, they seek it out so you too do likewise.

It seems you do not understand why I stated what I mentioned earlier...

There are certain people on nairaland who hide behind science and logic to claim that this is fake or fictional...

I'd like them to use the same science and logic to either prove this is false or explain how this happened

Image123:
i did my research. Guess what? i found out that Abraham gave tithes before the law. He gave a tenth before any early church doctrine. He is referred to by Paul as the father of them that believe. There is no sin in emulating his beautiful example. The faith walk is a personal walk based on God and His Word, and not based on academic research so called.

Of course.. there's no sin in emulating his example... it's just that one needs to tithe from the spoils of war to follow his example isn't it?

So after your research... you cannot show us any Apostle that preached and collected tithes from the early Christians abi?

JimmyCrow:
there's a cause to every effect......method to every madness.

That's why I'm waiting for a scientific and logical explanation for this...

Peacefullove:
Neither is there anymore requirement or Levite priests to collect tithes

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