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Peacefullove:
Neither is there anymore requirement or Levite priests to collect tithes

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Image123:
Don't be ridiculous. You are asking me to cut out four books and Hebrews out of the Bible because you do not want to hear the word 'tithe'. i ought to obey God rather than you. i will hold on to the Word of God.
There is no twist in the fact that the scripture passages i quoted show that tithes were done before the law and that they were more than just agro-produce. Also, Jesus said that they ought to be done.He also said that Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Or that is also irrelevant since Jesus has not fulfilled the Mosaic law according to you? i also did not fail to tell you;
"1Co 16:2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come.
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile."

My tithe is in proportion to what i earn, or is 10% not proportion again?

By now you should have gotten the simple point I'm passing across here...

Tithing was only compulsory for those under the Mosaic Law! The Jews...


Can you give examples of gentiles who God also asked to tithe?

You mentioned Abram and Jacob as gentiles... Did God make it a duty for them to tithe?

Did the likes of Job or Ruth or Naomi tithe?

Did Cyrus tithe?

Did the Greeks, Romans, Persians tithe in either the old or new testament? Did God give them any instructions to tithe?

Should Christians in Nigeria tithe? Does God require this from them too?

Image123:
If Jesus asked me to sell off my possessions, by the grace of God, i would. But He did not tell me to. He said many other things though, and i do them joyfully. Again, Jesus is not tribalistic, don't be.

BRAVO!

Now if you agree that Jesus was not referring to you in selling off your possession...was Jesus referring to you or was it the Pharisees who were the custodians of the Mosaic Law in Matthew 23 v 23?


Let me ask you these questions...

1) Do you tithe in line with the Mosaic Law? Even dill, mint and cummin?

2) Do you show Mercy and Justice in line with the provisions of the Mosaic Law? (Hint : Jesus mentioned it is a weightier matter of the Law)

Image123:
It doesn't say any such thing, you only assume so. When Hebrews mentioned tithe, it did not classify it as Mosaic law or non-Mosaic law. It is the itks of out time who will not even do the law that made such fancy classifications. Tithe is simply a tenth, 10%. It has nothing to do with Moses. Listen to our brother Paul yet again;
1Co 16:2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come.
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile.

So did Brother Paul admonish Christians to tithe?

Did he collect tithes on behalf of Jesus from the Jewish and Gentile churches?

I gave you a blank sheet to make some research proving whether tithing was practiced in the early church...or the Catholic Church started it with their various synods

Can I take this as proof that monetary tithing was not an early church doctrine?

That none of the Apostles deceitfully coerced the early Christians into consistently parting with 10% of their monetary income as we see in the church today?

Image123:
It doesn't say any such thing, you only assume so. When Hebrews mentioned tithe, it did not classify it as Mosaic law or non-Mosaic law. It is the itks of out time who will not even do the law that made such fancy classifications. Tithe is simply a tenth, 10%. It has nothing to do with Moses. Listen to our brother Paul yet again;
1Co 16:2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come.
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile.

Thankfully in that same 1 Cor 16:2; Paul never mentioned the proportion must be 10%... So how on Earth does that validate monetary tithing?


And of course, the tithing by Abram was not under the Mosaic Law...it was a one-time transaction from the spoils of war.


It was with the Advent of the Mosaic Law that tithing was done at regular intervals (annually)...

I've seen pro-tithers arguing from your point of view by merging parts of Abram's tithe with the Mosaic law...

You all argue that Abram tithed before the Law...but will want to play down on the part of it being a one-off transaction from war spoils...

Then also uphold the part of tithing regularly as the Mosaic Law demands...but play down on the part that money was never required by the Mosaic Law...

Ignoring portions of the scripture to do what suits you.


The funny thing is that...the Jews whom God made tithing mandatory for under the Mosaic Law DO NOT TITHE right now...so I'm wondering why Christians who were never under the Law are deceived into tithing...

Image123:
At last, glory be to God you answered. What took you so long, research? Why do you obey the weighty matters of the law and like an hypocritical pharisee frown so much on the less weighty parts?

Ogbeni... I thought you mentioned you are no longer under the Law (Mosaic Law)...

If you are talking about weightier or lighter parts of the law to obey ... Then you're talking about obeying over 600 laws of Moses here...

I recall asking you earlier on this thread if you;

1) Do not shave as the Mosaic Law demands
2) Do not wear garments with mixed materials as the Mosaic Law demands.
3) Sew tassels at the corner of your clothes as the Mosaic Law demands

You replied you are no longer under the Law...
Now you're calling another person a hypothetical Pharisee for "frowning on the less weighty matters of the Law"... Can you see you're shooting yourself in the foot?

READ MY RESPONSE CAREFULLY AGAIN!

It's expected of any human being to show mercy, faith and Justice...this is matter of humanity. But can you prove to us that tithing is as essential, compulsory and important for every human being as Justice and Mercy?

Then read your Bible again...there were methods and procedures to administer justice and mercy under the Mosaic Law (yes...the weightier matters of the Law)... Are you bound as a follower of Jesus to follow the stringent requirements of the Mosaic Law to administer justice and mercy?

Image123:
Duh, spoils belong to the victor mr researcher. Please do the research.

Gen 14:18  And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. 
Gen 14:19  And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 
Gen 14:20  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 
Gen 14:21  And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. 
Gen 14:22  And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth, 
Gen 14:23  That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich: 
Gen 14:24  Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion. 

As you can clearly see in verse 24, 90% was not returned. Also, any Bible student will/should know that Abram conquered many kings, not just one so i don't see how you jumped to conclusion that all the spoil belonged to Sodom. Abrm made a personal decision not to take anything from Sodom BTW, so he would not have given tithe of their portion of spoil, just like he didn't take Lot's property/goods to give tithe. Go and figure.

From all you've written here, it clearly shows that Abram never kept any of the spoils of war for HIMSELF!

Didn't you read what he said in Genesis 14 v 23?

If he never kept anything for himself...then how does tithing from the spoils of war translate into giving a "tithe of all"?

You are trying to pass of the spoils of war as Abram's property when the scriptures clearly stated that he never retained any portion of it for himself!

Bottom line... Abram tithed from the spoils of war, and not from his income or assets.

This is just too straightforward and clear to twist around...

Ehen... I'm awaiting those who can use LOGIC and SCIENCE to explain this!

Peacefullove:
Have you forgotten same Jesus also said;

44 “See that you don’t tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them" Mark 1 vs 44

Mr, Do you still practice this too ? Jesus didn't condemn it o , he approve and told them to do it .

Beautiful question!


Please also ask image123 if he has sold off all his possessions to follow Jesus...after all, Jesus told a rich young man to do so to follow Him...

After all, the according to image123 the words of Jesus are not tribalistic...

Image123:
do you show mercy, faith or judgement? Or they are not for you? You dodged that artfully. Please answer.
Have you seen where they had their bath in the early church? Do you see where they cooked or where they clapped or beat drums? Does it mean these things must not be done or were not done, in case you did not see it recorded? That something is not recorded does not automaticlly mean it did not happen. That is why i ask you continuously to show us if/where it is condemned.
Joh 21:25  And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

The origin of tithing is seen in the practice of great men like Abraham and Jacob. Any other thing after is mere story.

I show mercy, faith and judgement... and that is what is expected of any human being be it Christians, Muslims, Buhddists, Judaists e.t.c.


Now please tell us how all human beings ought to tithe because Jesus said so to the Pharisees who were under the burden of the Mosaic law to tithe...

We are waiting patiently...


I'm also awaiting your research results on the origin of tithing in the church

Image123:
By vowing to give. How else do you want it?


What is personal asset and income? Did anyone bring any so called personal asset or income from heaven? Do the spoils of war not belong to Abraham or you do not know history? My point was very clear and several times reiterated that tithes was given of more than agro-produce. If you do not accept this basic fact, you are free to argue endlessly with your keyboard or siblings. I am sure you remember the question i have been asking you for weeks, don't be an hypocrite.

Read your Bible again! The spoils of war was never Abram's property in the first place!

10% was given to Melchizedek and the 90% was returned to the rightful owners. Or did your Bible mention that Abram kept the spoils of war to himself?


Also do your bit by researching on the origin of tithing in the church... and confirm if it was an early church doctrine practiced and preached by the Apostles...OR whether it originated from the Catholic Church...


We are waiting patiently...

If the Pastor claimed he was shot 31 times...why can't we see 31 bullet holes around the car?


Just asking...

Image123:
Nobody needs to go about levying and collecting tithes, either in Abraham's time, or Malachi's time, pr Peter's time. People simply bring all the tithes to God. Tithes are part of giving, anyone can give them at any time. It does not need special office.
Again, it is not according to me, Jesus said it. These OUGHT TO BE DONE. If you like, tear it out of your own Bible, it remains there. Now, don't bite yourself as you listen to Paul. This is GoodNews.
1Co 16:2  Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come. 
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile.

Matthew 23 v 23 validated tithing in line with the Mosaic Law. Do you tithe according to the Mosaic Law?

Did the Mosaic Law apply to the gentiles too?

Isn't it funny how image123 quotes Matthew 23 v 23 that Jesus says tithing ought to be done, but conveniently ignores that tithing Jesus referred to was done in line with the Mosaic Law.

I wonder why image123 does not tithe in line with the requirements of the Mosaic Law if Matthew 23 v 23 is anything to go by...then he remembers he's no longer under the law... But yet still mentions that Jesus said tithing ought to be done still using Matthew 23 v 23 as his basis...


So much for confusion...

Image123:
This are the kind of baseless and ridiculous research OkaiCorne expects me to follow. For the first time in my life, i am hearing that Abraham's tithe is not 10% but 100%


Yet another round of fallacies, assumptions mixed with some general Bible knowledge.

I have mentioned repeatedly on this thread that you should go and research on the origin of tithing in the church!

Do your research and put it here with the source. By now you would have known that tithing is not an early church doctrine...but I guess you'd rather deflect and accuse me of forcing Brocab's research down your throat!

So Abram's tithe is the origin of tithing in the church abi? Smh

Image123:
Sorry i've not been chanced to reply your posts. i read them almost immediately on phone, but i have to create time to reply on a computer, so pardon my "latecoming".


There is no dribble there, no need for you to take things personal. Simply answer the question you have long avoided. Here it is again. do you show mercy, faith or judgement? Or they are not for you?
i can decide to shave or not shave, it is of no difference or significance to me as pertaining to righteousness BECAUSE i am not under the law.
Same goes for my dress-sense or fashion. Tithes was before the law, hear it until you know it.


i quoted the Bible because you keep dodging and saying this one is for Hebrew, the other one is for Pharisee. All Scripture is God-breathed and for our profit. You can use a knife for your profit or to cut yourself severely. You need to learn to RIGHTLY divide the Word of Truth. The passages i quoted proved very important point; that tithes were given of more than just agro-produce. i never said you should go and do so(you may show me where if i did), or that you will be righteous through it. That is the sense in which the Old covenant is out. Quoting Jesus or quoting the book of Hebrews talking about Abraham has NOTHING o do with Mosaic law, please focus.



You said that it is "interesting that tithes featured in the book of Hebrews... But not in other letters addressed to the gentile churches". i'm not a 6year old. What you imply is that i should not consider what is not written to you but what is written to gentiles like you. Tithing was not raised in Hebrews alone BTW. Jesus mentioned it in the gospels a couple of times. It remains an insignificant issue, in case you are expecting it in every book and chapter before you believe it. Again, you have inferred here that Matthew and Luke are not gospels written to you. It's either you do not understand what you are saying or you need to learn more to communicate in the English language.

It's disgusting when someone sees a straightforward truth but still wants to twist it.

In Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...had Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law when He spoke of tithing?

After His death and ressurection....move on to the other gospels written from Acts to Revelation...

Show us where tithing was mentioned in any of the letters addressed to the gentile churches!

After doing this... Research on the origin of tithing in the church, and you'll see that it is not an early church doctrine... unlike what we see in the church now.

Very simple question I've asked you... you're yet to address it.

Image123:
Nobody needs to go about levying and collecting tithes, either in Abraham's time, or Malachi's time, pr Peter's time. People simply bring all the tithes to God. Tithes are part of giving, anyone can give them at any time. It does not need special office.
Again, it is not according to me, Jesus said it. These OUGHT TO BE DONE. If you like, tear it out of your own Bible, it remains there. Now, don't bite yourself as you listen to Paul. This is GoodNews.
1Co 16:2  Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come. 
If i give my 10percent proportion every Sunday, nobody is taking me to hell for it. Let that sink in, sir gentile.

You are contradicting yourself.

Jesus said tithing ought to be done...it was mandatory for those who were under the Mosaic Law to do it! Or are you implying tithing was merely optional for those under the Mosaic Law?

Saying tithing ought to be done and then quoting another verse that borders on freewill giving is contradictory...

Thankfully, everyone on this thread can see that clearly...

By the way... I wonder how the proportion in 1 Cor 16v2 translates to a tenth of one's monthly income... unless you are implying Paul validates tithing... which is another lie you're trying to bring up...

Image123:
Stop arguing with your keyboard needlessly. "The point i simply made was that he(Abraham) gave tithes of more than just vegetables and mangoes(agro-produce) that you hitherto assumed that tithes must be." i bet if there was a Scripture that showed Paul gave tithes, you would also resort to this weak plan B that it is a one off. Jacob also benefited from the so called one off. Why was it even recorded again since it is just one time?

How did Jacob benefit from Abram's tithe?

You mentioned Abram gave a tithe of all...and I had to clarify that it was from the spoils of war and not from his personal assets or income!

What's the connection between that and a Christian having to tithe from his or her personal income?

You are yet to answer that...

Image123:
This is a ridiculous fallacy that keeps coming up. That something is not recorded is not a guarantee that it did not happen. You are yet to show us where Jesus or any of the apostles condemned tithes or where tithes were not accepted on your basis/definition of ONLY agro-produce.
Joh 20:30  And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 

Thank God for Matthew 23v23, you would have found it rocket science to believe that Pharisees and scribes gave tithes. Tithing is a form of giving which has several forms. Giving is generally encouraged in the Word of God.

Brocab posted earlier on this thread the origin of tithing in the church. Evidences abound in history that tithing commenced with the Catholic Church...

But I guess you'd want to assume that the Apostles also collected tithes from the early Christians... Just as it how Pastorpreneurs are doing in the church today...

If you're asked to bring historical evidence for it... you'll beat around the bush again.


Do some research and show us where the Apostles preached and collected tithes in the early church.

JMAN05:
OK, but the tithe I hear today is of the law. They madly quote Mal 3:8-10.

If the Law's tithe is not the point you are defending, then no discussion should even be held since the tithe before d law is not a law nor command from God. It is left to an individual to give what he wishes, either 10% or more or even less. No need to even demand such tithe from d altar because it is not a requirement.

Thank you very much jare.

Image123:
Tithing is not subject to the law as it was before the law, that is the point. The tithing which people say is of the law is not the tithe being practicd today, that is what most of the people aginst tithe say here. So there is absolutely no problem with the tithe given today as it is not even the definition of "tithe under the law".

Even the Apostles in the early church knew tithing was before the law. Why wasn't tithing practiced in the early church? Since according to you, Jesus said "it ought to be done"

Why didn't the Apostles go around levying and collecting tithes in the early church? After all, the words of Jesus are not tribalistic na...

Image123:
We've been through this [url=already]https://www.nairaland.com/113108/truth-pastor-not-tell-tithes/33#70298859
[/url]. And i immediately explained that "The point i simply made was that he gave tithes of more than just vegetables and mangoes(agro-produce) that you hitherto assumed that tithes must be." But seeing you still need it for whatever confidence, here it is. Try not to twist it to say something else.
Gen_14:20  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.



Nothing shows that He rejected otherwise. The man in Christ's illustration said he gave tithes of all.
Luk_18:12  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


For the umpteenth time, we do not give tithes as under the law. Also, there should be no problem with you guys if what we give is not(does not qualify) tithe.


How can i ignore that when i say that we are in similar condition? We are not under the law as Abraham was not under the law.
Is there anywhere in the Bible God demanded money as tithe?


Please show me where i said so. i repeated it several times that i made a point that Abraham's tithe was more than agro-produce. Yet you think i said he gave something opposed to spoils. Are spoils the same as agro-produce or is it the same spelling?



Is it not interesting that the Bible warns not to cut out any scripture. What you are telling me here is that the book of Hebrews is not scriptures for you.
Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

@brocab...you can see how image123 is interpreting the scriptures deceitfully...

What did Abram give a tithe of? Or did the whole story end at Genesis 14 v 20?

For goodness sake from verse 21 onwards...it was very clear what was tithed were from the spoils of war...and NOT ALL THAT ABRAM POSSESSED!

Now should a one-time transaction from war spoils become a basis for giving a tenth of one's monthly income to the church purse? What's the connection here?

The only part of the Bible where tithing became regular (annually) was with the introduction of the Mosaic Law to the Jews...if the Mosaic Law is obsolete...then what's the point tithing regularly?

Image123:
The words of Jesus are not tribalistic. You are seriously dodging here. Address the issues.

Can you show us where the early church gave tithes?

Can you show us where Jesus or the Apostles gave or collected tithes?

Image123:
We've been through this [url=already]https://www.nairaland.com/113108/truth-pastor-not-tell-tithes/33#70298859
[/url]. And i immediately explained that "The point i simply made was that he gave tithes of more than just vegetables and mangoes(agro-produce) that you hitherto assumed that tithes must be." But seeing you still need it for whatever confidence, here it is. Try not to twist it to say something else.
Gen_14:20  And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.



Nothing shows that He rejected otherwise. The man in Christ's illustration said he gave tithes of all.
Luk_18:12  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


For the umpteenth time, we do not give tithes as under the law. Also, there should be no problem with you guys if what we give is not(does not qualify) tithe.


How can i ignore that when i say that we are in similar condition? We are not under the law as Abraham was not under the law.
Is there anywhere in the Bible God demanded money as tithe?


Please show me where i said so. i repeated it several times that i made a point that Abraham's tithe was more than agro-produce. Yet you think i said he gave something opposed to spoils. Are spoils the same as agro-produce or is it the same spelling?



Is it not interesting that the Bible warns not to cut out any scripture. What you are telling me here is that the book of Hebrews is not scriptures for you.
Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And I've asked you why you shave or why you don't see tassels at the corners of your clothes...or why you don't also obey the Mosaic Laws on not planting two different seeds in a garden or not wearing clothes of mixed materials...


What were your answers again? Keep on dribbling yourself.

When it comes to those requirements I mentioned earlier... you now remember you are not under the Mosaic Law. But when it comes to monetary tithing (which was never in the scriptures)... You are quoting Rev 22 v 19.


And don't tell lies to make your point. Where exactly did I mention Hebrews is not part of the scriptures?

In case you're having a tough time interpreting a simple question I asked you...let me repeat it again.


Why do you think the issue of tithing was raised in Hebrews alone? Why didn't it feature in other gospels written to gentile churches e.g. Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Corinthians? etc...

I'm waiting for you to dodge this question or feign ignorance..

Image123:
do you show mercy, faith or judgement? Or they are not for you? You dodged that artfully. Please answer.
Have you seen where they had their bath in the early church? Do you see where they cooked or where they clapped or beat drums? Does it mean these things must not be done or were not done, in case you did not see it recorded? That something is not recorded does not automaticlly mean it did not happen. That is why i ask you continuously to show us if/where it is condemned.
Joh 21:25  And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

The origin of tithing is seen in the practice of great men like Abraham and Jacob. Any other thing after is mere story.

You are the one dodging an obvious fact here...


What exactly made the Jews to tithe in the first place? Was it not the Mosaic Law that made it compulsory for the Jews to tithe?

Or are you insinuating tithing was not compulsory for the Jews vis-a-vis the discussion between Jesus and the Pharisees in Matthew 23 v 23?

Or did you see anywhere in the Bible Jesus admonished the gentiles to tithe too?

sparkle6:
Atheist here have all being arguing blindly. They thread read ' what personal experience u had that made u believe in God' simple comprehension they dont have. If u have no experiences that made u believe, do ur self a favour and read what others have to say. or better still stay away or open ur own thread. Dont counter foolishly that wasnt the topic.

I'm surprised they didn't interprete the topic logically...

calculator123:
she obviously wasn't dead. Only a medical personnel can pronounce her dead.

Of course ...she was obviously having a nap

darlenese:
explain the image

He, Dalamama, hardmirror, hopefullandlord and kevoh did that already...

To Shelumiel it's a miracle, to the atheists, agnostics, deists etc... it's not a miracle...

Please can we hear word? You have all made your points already...

The next thing I'm expecting to hear is how all the testimonies and miracles on this thread are made up stories with no iota of truth in them...

Image123:
Jesus said tithes "ought to be done". He NEVER classified His statement as for only some selected ones. His Words do not pass away. Just the next chapter.
Mat 24:35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 

Tithing was BEFORE the Mosaic law as we have seen from Abraham, it is not subject to Mosaic law. Abraham did not need the Mosaic law to tithe, neither do i. Paul's writings do not supersede the words of Jesus. By the way Paul himself gave under necessity and told people to.
Rom_12:13  Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
He also counted preaching the gospel as a necessity.
1Co_9:16  For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
And to crown it, tithing does not have to be by compulsion as you imply. Ought as used in Matthew 23 is an indication of what SHOULD be done, not the force you are mistaking it to be. it is right for you to do these, is the simple meaning of what is said.

Again, Acts 15 has nothing to do with tithes. There are a host of other things that christians do asides Acts 15. We should not take only Acts 15 as scriptures and appear blind to other scriptures. Prayer, fellowship, giving are not in Acts 15, yet we do them. Why is it only tithes that you think we should not do after Acts 15? Because you think tithe is under the law, yet it has been clearly shown that it was before the law. Anise and Cummin are not mentioned in the Mosaic law, but the pharisees and scribes tithed of it. Jesus didn't condemn it, instead He mentioned that they ought to do it and not leave the weightier matters. Again, do you show mercy, faith or judgement? Or they are not for you?

Very good... Let's look at the Bible in its entirety.

Can you show us where tithing was practiced in the early church?

Have you done any research on the origin of tithing in the church?

Please also show us where in the Bible Abram gave a tithe of all...

I'm baffled as to how a voluntary one-off transaction from the spoils of war now becomes a basis for giving a tenth of one's monthly income into a church's treasury...

Also looking at Matthew 23 v 23, where you mentioned Jesus said tithing "ought to be done" shows that it was mandatory for the Jews (farmers) who were under the Mosaic Law. Tithing never applied to the gentiles...

Image123:
The point clearly made was simply that Abraham gave tithes of more than just vegetables and mangoes(agro-produce) that you hitherto assumed that tithes must be." Whether it is recorded once or hundred times is besides the point. Your point was that tithe has to be agro-produce, and i show you someone who gave tithe of non-agroproduce and the Bible calls it TITHE. The Holy Spirit calls it TITHES both in Genesis and in the Hebrews. But you say it cannot be tithe.

Where is the Bible verse that states Abraham gave a tithe of all?

And my point on tithing was that God demanded tithes in form of agro-produce from the Jews... when He made it mandatory for them to tithe.

You mentioned Jesus said "we ought to tithe"...but you ignored the fact that tithes were done on agro-produce by the Jews back then even when money existed!

You're also ignoring the fact that when Abram tithed, there were no stipulated rules on tithing, neither was Abram under any form compulsion to tithe... Now that there is a stipulated rule on tithing outlined by God in the Mosaic Laws...why do you want to ignore that?

Is there anywhere in the Bible God demanded money as tithe?

Please show us where in the Bible Abram gave a tithe of all as opposed to war spoils...

Isn't it interesting that tithes featured in the book of Hebrews... But not in other letters addressed to the gentile churches? e.g. Corinthians, Galatians, Romans, Ephesians...etc

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Jesus said tithes "ought to be done" and that's for those who were under the Mosaic Law which made tithing OBLIGATORY. Moreover, tithing was never monetary per the requirement of the Mosaic Law.

Using Matthew 23 v 23 as a basis to validate tithing which was at a point in time when the Mosaic Law was still in force clearly contradicts what Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 9 v 7 (written after the Mosaic Law was fulfilled through the death and ressurection of Jesus)
"Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver"

You cannot say tithing ought to be done when giving must not be done under compulsion under the new covenant.

This in addition to Acts 15 explains why tithing was not practiced in the early church.