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Dear OP, please I need answers to these questions:

1) Where in the Bible did God ask for tithes to be given monetarily? Bear in mind that God gave this tithing law to the Israelites who used gold to create a golden calf...but gold or silver (money) was not part of the things God required as tithe as per Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29

2) Where in the Bible did Jesus or the Apostles collect tithes from the church congregants?

3) Where in the Bible did gentiles (and by this, I meant non-Jews) give tithes?

budaatum:
Seat booked!

Don't no one tell them in the Religious section though please!

I'll tell

Gman12:
Is Cr7 from America?
If the answer is No , whoever posted this news should go for medical check up

Calm down...

Reference was made to the Brazilian Ronaldo and not CR7...

Read the article to confirm that...

vaxx:
Another hogwash from someone who have not taken his time to study Islam himself but depends on antagonist write up. no man who indeed want to seek the truth pass thru this way. quran was not a book that was compiled in a day, it spans the length of 23 years of Muhammad ministry. so it was in sequence and not in a day, And besides quran compilation was within the time when the Arabs excelled in oral poetry. Poetry competitions like today rap competitions, In fact the science of Arabic grammar was developed after the compilation of the Quran, using the Quran as a basis for devising its rules.

Mohammed did not endorse any official complete written versions of Quran when he was alive (since many have memorized it at that time). After he died (and some of the people who memorized Quran were killed in wars) and especially as the Islamic territory was getting much bigger, people felt the need to have full written versions of Quran. Then the first Islamic governor, caliph Abubakr, ordered to gather a full version of Quran. Several methods were used to verify that verses actually belong to Quran, such as: people could bring their written versions or two (well-known) Muslims could swear that. However, after a few years, the third caliph found some (pronunciation) differences and ordered to create a unique version of Quran (mostly similar to the one prepared by the first caliph), prepare lots copies, and destroy all other versions of Quran all over Islamic territories.and hope you know well how Muslim influence western civilization. you may really want to lean or maybe for the sake of others . My main source was History of the Prophets and Kings which was written about 300 years after the death of Mohammad, it is one of the earliest books on history of Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Prophets_and_Kings And this is my own speculation on quran , it is Mohammad who authored Quran, and then caliphs collected it as a book.

Thank you very much. The Quran was compiled in over 20 years of Muhammad's ministry...

I find it funny that musicwriter concluded it was extracted from some hidden scroll in a cave...

Primesky:
Did the bible ask you to pray to Father Abraham? So,
how do you expect him to grant such request? Is he God? Can you pray to an angel and expect him to act? even if you deserve the request, he can't grant it. Let me even tell you in case you don't know that God has granted that request so many times by allowing some people to come back from the dead to warn people about the dangers of hell, some of the points these people talk about is tithing!. But I won't just accept it because someone from the dead said so, I will ask my father in heaven. How difficult is that?. Well, I don't know about you, but I have a sweet relationship with God my Father. I ask Him questions and He tells me. If you will not, that's up to you, but know that if you fail, it's your fault. You can't argue the bible with the devil, he will floor you! He is wiser and smarter than you, that's why God gave us His Spirit to guide us into all truth. So, if any of His children is having an issue understanding a mystery, He is willing to put them through. But how will He, if you don't ask?. It means you can handle it. The devil knows the bible more than you and he can trick you with it, and you won't know, because he will quote very correct verses but with deceptions underneath.

Didn't Jesus ask us to ask the Father in His name and we shall receive. As a matter of fact, He said, whatsoever you ask the Father in my name, He will give it to you. I don't know how you read and interpret the bible. Can't I ask my Father question if I don't understand an instruction?. What is this argument?

You and I cannot pinpoint an exact verse setting aside tithing or encouraging tithing in the new Testament. Now we're confused. Isn't it wise to ask our Father for clarification?. What are you really saying, that we cannot ask God to help us in this?. No!, I strongly disagree!

Was it recorded in the old or new testament that gentiles tithed?

And by gentiles, I meant people of non-Jewish descent... foreigners...

Primesky:
The people selling and bringing their procedes to the Apostles, were they all Jews?.

Do the gentile Christians serve a different God other than the one the jews serve?.

Do the gentile Christians have a different word of God than the Jewish Christians?.

Are there separate commandments and principles for the gentiles?.

We are all one in Christ Jesus. Whatever blessing the jews get, the gentiles get it through Christ Jesus. Whatever responsibility is still applicable to the jews, is applicable to the gentiles. Not laws and ordinances.

Please don't misunderstand the scriptures. That we are no longer under the law does not exempt us from responsibilities. Is stealing and killing not in the law,
so why haven't we done away with it. Will you say, because we are under grace, so we can kill and still make it to heaven?. No! But Jesus has brought grace to enable us get through. Jesus didn't do away with all the laws. He fulfilled them. Such that we don't have to do every single thing to be perfect and saved. But that doesn't mean we should live care free life without any responsibility.

I say it again, many persons will enter heaven without paying a single tithe, just like the thief on the cross, why? because they don't or didn't have the means to do that. Yet, I think some may not enter heaven based on the scriptures now because of tithing because they had the means to support the work of God with it and chose not to.The bible says that, to him that knoweth what is good and refuses to do it, to him it's sin. If so then, can such go to heaven?.

But if you seem confused about this whole matter, I suggest you go to God and ask Him. Will He refuse you?. Isn't He interested in our victory and eternal success?. How hard is it?. Don't take my word for it for I am also a man, and I don't know it all. So better you ask God to teach you his will. At least, I have heard very senior pastors, who declared how shocked they were when God spoke to them about tithing, contrary to what they believed and held on to.

Now, is that God not able to show same to you or are you a bastard?. Go to your Father and say, please teach me this matter. Why do we fight and argue about it. Why should you take what I say as the truth, when you yourself have the Spirit of truth in you?.

It's a simple question, did gentiles give tithes? yes or no

hopefulLandlord:
Being Muslim scholars show where their loyalties lie

Historical sources are almost always silent about spiritual claims so any historical source worth taking serious would, at most, say Muhammed went into a cave and came out with a book or something. Once we start saying historical sources concluded a spiritual incidence did occur then we should question such sources as it means almost anything goes

Being Muslim scholars shows they might be biased...but what of the other sources the OP has quoted to claim Jesus is fake?

Aren't these from people who have an axe to grind against Christianity? It also shows where they are leaning towards...

Take the Greek philosopher Celsus...who came up with the Pantera fatherhood of Jesus theory...it was noted that this man was extremely anti-christian...

hopefulLandlord:
WTF! which "Historical Sources" said Muhammad encountered Gabriel in a cave?

We should be careful the way we use the word "Historical Sources" and not use it for theological claims

No need to go too far... even the Muslim scholars can corroborate this...or prove it false...


I think you should also channel your concerns on "historical sources" to the OP as well...

musicwriter:
I said the books were in caves up till 1956. Between 325 AD till today, there are still books hidden somewhere in a cave now. The book wasn't called Koran, Muhammad named it koran. He could have called it anything.

By the time you're talking about, that region had rejected Christianity as a result of Constantin's deceit, because they knew he was lying about a risen savior, so they abandoned Judaism/Christianity, and as usual they began looking for a new God to deliver them. Once they discovered Allah, they would begin a bitter war with the Roman empire in what is called the crusades. For more information, you can check the video I posted earlier on history of the Roman catholic church or better look for a video of the crusades on youtude. They were 9 crusades, I believe.

According to historical sources, Muhammad encountered Angel (Injeel) Gabriel in a cave...

Does that automatically translate to getting to Quran from a cave?

musicwriter:
The books were hidden in earthenware pots, anywhere from 325 AD after Rome converted to Christianity and started killing people who read other books they didn't recommend. Early Christian and Gnostic books were still being discovered in caves in Egypt, in the town of Nag Hammadi, as recent as 1945.

Between 1946, 1947, 1956, even more ''dead sea scrolls'' were discovered in caves in Qumram, Palestine. If Muhammad wasn't carried away by excitement and he looked carefully, he could have actually discovered those books.

There're still undiscovered books hidden away in caves right now.

You mentioned the Koran given to Muhammad by Allah was one of the numerous books hidden in a cave when Constantine was persecuting religious sects.

But that cannot be possible since Muhammad lived between 570-632AD long after the Roman Empire collapsed...

How does your response validate the Koran existing at a point when Constantine was raiding houses and killing people for reading alternative bibles?

musicwriter:
This thread was going smoothly before people came in and derailed it, thereby, causing me to lose interest. I may or may not make further posts, but Islam has nothing going for it once Christianity is done with. Islam is a Jonny-just-come religion that the followers can easily see the fakery in it. Any so called holy koran given to Muhammad and written by Allah, was actually one of many books hidden in a cave by persecuted religious sects, when Emperor Constantine and others were raiding houses killing people who read alternative bible not recommended by Rome.

Muhammad lived between 570-632 AD long after Constantine died and long after the Roman Empire collapsed...

So how did the Koran exist at a time Constantine was raiding houses and killing people?

musicwriter:
The whole world was once inhabited by black people. See Britain discovers their ancestors were black https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/02/07/first-britons-black-natural-history-museum-dna-study-reveals/amp/

The place known today as Palestine was also part of Africa in ancient time; including Arabia, all those places turned white as the Africans were interbreeding with Asians, and Asians with Europeans.

The people that lived in Palestine at that time, no doubt were blacks. The late president of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser, while on an interview on television, said "you (Israel) will never be able to live here in peace, because you left here black but came back white. We cannot except you! .''

The people in neighboring countries with Israel knows there were all once black and they don't dent it.

Shango conquering up to Benin republic is definitely a myth. No God fought anybody ever in the history of the world. However, there were wars of course, but our wars were child-play when compared to European wars.

Yes, gun powder was invented first between China and Africa, but it wans't called gun powder or used as ammunition. It was used ceremonially, like during certain festivities to give gun salute. Its still used in Igboland today to give salute to the dead during burial ceremony.

The problem is not that there is white man saying we cannot develop, rather, our unfortunate contact with them destroyed our social, political, cultural, educational, religious, language, and our self esteem. When someone give you language, education, religion, the person can go to sleep and watch you enslave yourself, and that's what we're doing in Africa today. To stop enslaving ourselves to extinction, we must restore our language, education, and religion back to the ''follow come'', then modernize it.

You haven't said anything on Muhammad...
How is he fake?

musicwriter:
I don't think I'll be making further post, the one you quoted has derailed the thread. However, I think every info anybody need to free themselves is one the thread. The rest will appear in my upcoming book.

Nothing was said about Mohammed...

sonmvayina:
Try and get hold of this book... It will help.

www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/9781578849161?cm_sp=rec-_-vhr_1-_-plp&reftag=vhr_1

Take a look at who authored the book;

Zindler, a former State University of New York biology professor and current managing editor of American Atheist Press, provides a detailed analysis of Jewish records surviving from antiquity to support his claim that the ancient Jews never heard of Jesus of Nazareth

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Zindler


A biology professor and American Atheist suddenly becomes an expert in Jewish History?

So you want us to take the opinion of a Biology professor and American Atheist who lived over 2,000 years on the issue he's writing AS AGAINST a Jewish Historian and former Zealot (Josephus) who lived between 37-100 AD?


I want to ask - if Jesus was a Roman invention...why did the Roman government kill the followers of a Roman invention?

sonmvayina:
My dear it is just a story the Christian cooked up to give a historical backing to their bull sh.it story about a dying demi God.. Just to mock the God of the jews, who was the almighty God (Eledumare to yoruba, Chukwu to igbos.. Etc). The jews knows that God was responsible for everything both good and evil, light and darkness.. The devil was under the control of God and does what God tells him to do, as they told in the story of job..
The devil was never an independent evil being that the Christians are making him out to be.. His duty is to obey the will of God.
The jews where looking forward to a glorious and peaceful future with no wars and oppression, b
and somebody (Romans) came and turned it into a bloody past... Like seriously what the he'll man..

That means historians like Seutonius and Josephus Flavius or Tacitus are liars ... but you are right abi?

The question still remains... if Jesus and the 12 Apostles were forged as you allege, then;

1) Why do the Jews in Israel and Jewish Historians acknowledge the existence of Jesus?

2) Who did Emperor Nero accuse for the fire that engulfed Rome in AD 64?

3) Why did Emperor Nero order Paul and Peter to be killed? Can you kill what does not exist?

musicwriter:
Are there any written historical evidence to support Jesus Christ's existence? The answer will surprise you.

I have checked the history books, and everything you believed in Jesus is based on the below passing quotes made by ''Roman authors'' or someone who just made a passing comment.

1). "convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Pantera"............ Celsus.

2). ''consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.''............... Cornelius Tacitus.

3). ''he was second only to that one whom they still worship today, the man in Palestine whom they crucified because he brought this new form of initiation into the world. Having convinced themselves that they are immortal and will live forever, the poor wretches despite death and most willingly give themselves to it. Moreover, that first lawgiver of theirs persuaded them that they are all brothers the moment they transgress and deny the Greek Gods and begin worshiping that crucified sophist and living by his laws.'' ............. Lucian of Samasota.

4). ''as the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome.''.......... Suetonius.

5a). ''Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the gentiles. He was Christ and when Pilate at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.'' .............. Flavius Josephus.

5b). ''Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others.''............ Flavius Josephus.

Your whole faith in Jesus as the savior is based on the above quotes. The above is all there is outside of the bible, all men stated above began writing many years after the Jesus myth as the savior of the world has been established by Rome.

Here is the bad news. Some of the above quotes has been discredited as forgery, a joke, or just a passing comment that could have been referring to any other messiahs out of hundreds of messiahs. Let me make it clearer below about what historians said about the above quotes.

1). An author named Origen (184 AD- 253 AD), an accomplished writer, in one of his writings, quoted another Greeco-Roman author named Celsus, who said that Mary was "convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Pantera".

Tiberius Pantera may have been serving as a Roman soldier in the region of Palestine at the time of Jesus's supposed conception. Both the ancient Talmud and medieval Jewish writings and sayings reinforced this notion, referring to Jesus as "Yeshu ben Pantera" (Jesus son of Pantera).

In this quote, you can see clearly that people knew that Mary got pregnant by sleeping with a Roman soldier. The same way Nigerian soldiers posted in Liberia and all the other conflict zones in the past, got people pregnant over there. The early people living in Palestine knew how Mary got pregnant by infidelity.

2). Roman historian, Cornelius Tacitus (117 AD), mentioned ''Christus'' in one of his writings when he said ''consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus.''

As I have said in previous posts, ''Christus'' was the name for anybody who came forward as leader of the Jewish/Israeli movement against Rome. All the people who came forward to free their people were called ''messiah'', ''savior'', redeemer''. Hundreds of such ''Christuses'' were killed by Rome. He could have been talking about any of them.

3). Another author, Lucian of Samasota (120 AD- 192 AD), who was a Greek comedian, while satirizing the situation at that time, wrote, ''he was second only to that one whom they still worship today, the man in Palestine whom they crucified because he brought this new form of initiation into the world. Having convinced themselves that they are immortal and will live forever, the poor wretches despite death and most willingly give themselves to it. Moreover, that first lawgiver of theirs persuaded them that they are all brothers the moment they transgress and deny the Greek Gods and begin worshiping that crucified sophist and living by his laws.''

4). A Roman historian, Suetonius (70 AD- 126 AD), wrote ''as the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome.’’

5). A Jewish playwright, Flavius Josephus (37 AD-100 AD), wrote ''Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works- a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the gentiles. He was Christ and when Pilate at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.''

Another quote credited to Flavius Josephus, reads ''Festius was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others.''

You can see clearly that this quote is an over ambitious quote to make a point about Jesus being God. Flavius Josephus was a Jew and a sell-out to Rome, who joined foreigners to enslave his people. His name was formerly Josephus, but a Roman emperor adopted him into the Roman elite and added ''Flavius'' to his name. Flavius is a name of a Roman dynasty. Historians have long discredited above quote as a forgery and he is suspected to be the writer of the new testament part of the bible.

To be continued..........................

Interesting...so Jesus was the only person that bore that name in Israel when he lived abi?

Jesus the son of Pantera automatically becomes Jesus of the new testament...

sonmvayina:
If I tell you, will you tell me which ikemefuna Okonkwo killed or which Harry Potter Dambuldore ordered prof Snape to bring to voldermont?

Answer the question and stop dribbling around.

Emperor Nero killed two major Christian leaders in Peter and Paul...

There are sufficient historical evidence backing that up from different sources...

Unless you want to play the ostrich and ignore these facts...

Meanwhile musicwriter, continue with your posts while answering questions on this thread so you don't get distracted,

musicwriter:
Note that the people in Israel today claiming to be the Jews are not the same as biblical Jews. They are converts who converted to Judaism when Africans brought the religion to the middle East. They are imposters and have no idea what the history of Judaism or even Christianity. If you want to know about Judaism or Christianity, better ask Palestinians or Ethiopians or Sudanese people, because they are the remnants of the biblical Jews, though they now identify as Muslims. Ethiopians still identify as Christians and Muslims, though.
However, the only reason they believe is also based on Roman records, which cites a Flavian Josephus as mentioning the word "Messiah" in one of his writing. That piece of information he wrote was also discredited by historians, since they were hundreds of Messiahs seeking to liberate Israel from Roman colonialism.

1) If the people currently occupying the land of Israel claiming to be Jews but impostors as you earlier mentioned, please give historical evidence on who these people really are.

2) Going back to Josephus Flavius a reputable historian of Jewish origin (and a former zealot)...I hope you know he is fully aware of the existence of Jesus (Yeshua) in Jewish History.

sonmvayina:
Yes, jesus is the sun(light) the 12 disciples are the 12 major constellation.. It is all allegory

I would like to know which Peter ... Emperor Nero ordered to be crucified...

I would also like to know which Paul... Emperor Nero ordered to be beheaded...

double post

musicwriter:
There's no longer anything to believe. What I need is proof.

Mark, John, Matthew, Luke, These are not Middle Eastern names! They are European names. Mark, John, Matthew, Luke, etc, could NEVER have been a Jewish name!. Go to Palestine where Jesus was said to have lived, and find out how their names look like.

These names were assigned by Rome as characters in the book they were writing, now called the Bible. They could have called them anything, like, Rat, Goat, Dog, Chicken.

The first question to ask is if the Bible was originally written in English...or whether it was translated from other languages into English...

Jesus is not a Jewish name...likewise Matthew,Mark, Luke or John

Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus....likewise, all those other Apostles would have their Hebrew names which is their original names...and not the translated names we now know them by...

In summary...these apostles existed...just as Yeshua did...

musicwriter:
@Hati13

You're talking about what bible theologians are saying, not historians. There were accomplished historians living in same town when Jesus supposedly lived, but none of them wrote anything about him.

Well, keep reading, I'll let you know why you think he existed. The Jesus you know is an Italian- a swap of the REAL person who Rome never believed to be the messiah or a messiah. Jesus is not just an invention but a fraud.

Yes, he existed, but only in literature!. I will get to that later today or tomorrow.

If Jesus or Yeshua (as the Jews call Him) existed only in literatures...how come the Jews/Judaists who never accepted Him as the Messiah still acknowledge His existence in their history?

What do they stand to gain by acknowledging the existence of someone they never accepted as their messiah?

musicwriter:
As societies got more civilized, more people learned from the preist-kings and were able to mediate with the Gods and man as well. Soon anybody could possess this piece of knowledge, which I'll like to call spirituality at this moment.

By 5,000 BC (before Jesus was born), Africans have developed very deep spirituality, not religion. Spirituality was and is still the best way to associate with God. As a matter of fact, in the 1800's, a British scholar, Wallis Budge, after translating ancient Egyptian documents, concluded that ''sufficient is now known of the Egyptian religion to prove, with certainty, that the Egyptians possessed, some six thousand years ago, a religion and a system of morality which, when stripped of all corrupt accretions, stand second to none among those which have been developed by the greatest nations of the world.''

In his book, the book of the dead, Wallace Budge, began by saying ''this book is intended to place before the reader in a handy form an account of the principal ideas and beliefs held by the ancient Egyptians concerning the resurrection and the future life, which is derived wholly from native religious works. The literature of Egypt which deals with these subjects is large and, as was to be expected, the product of different periods which, taken together, cover several thousands of years; and it is exceedingly difficult at times to reconcile the statements and beliefs of a writer of one period with those of a writer of another.''

Written on a wall in the the bas-relief at Philae, in Egypt, below are pieces of inscriptions showing how the ancient Egyptians saw God:

"God is a spirit, a hidden spirit, the spirit of spirits, the great spirit of the Egyptians, the divine spirit.

"God is from the beginning and He hath been from the beginning; He hath existed from of old and was when nothing else had being. He existed when nothing else existed, and what existeth He created after He had come into being. He is the father of beginnings.

"God is the eternal One, He is eternal and infinite; and endureth for ever and aye; He hath endured for countless ages, and He shall endure to all eternity.

"God is the hidden Being, and no man hath known His form. No man hath been able to seek out His likeness; He is hidden from gods and men, and He is a mystery unto His creatures.

"No man knoweth how to know Him. His name remaineth hidden; His name is a mystery unto His children. His names are innumerable, they are manifold and none knoweth their number.

"God is truth, and He liveth by truth, and He feedeth thereon. He is the King of truth, He resteth upon truth, He fashioneth truth, and He executeth truth throughout all the world.

"God is life, and through Him only man liveth. He giveth life to man, and He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils.

"God is father and mother, the father of fathers, and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced, He begat Himself and produced Himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of His own form, and the fashioner of His own body.

"God Himself is existence, He liveth in all things, and liveth upon all things. He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He possesseth multitudes of forms and multitudes of members.

"God hath made the universe, and He hath created all that therein is: He is the Creator of what is in this world, of what was, of what is, and of what shall be. He is the Creator of the world, and it was He Who fashioned it with His hands before there was any beginning; and He stablished it with that which went forth from Him. He is the Creator of the heavens and the earth; the Creator of the heavens, and the earth, and the deep; the Creator of the heavens, and the earth, and the deep, and the waters, and the mountains. God hath stretched out the heavens and founded the earth. What His heart conceived came to pass straightway, and when He had spoken His word came to pass, and it shall endure for ever.

"God is the father of the gods, and the father of the father of all deities; He made His voice to sound, and the deities came into being, and the gods sprang into existence after He had spoken with His mouth. He formed mankind and fashioned the gods. He is the great Master, the primeval Potter Who turned men and gods out of His bands, and He formed men and gods upon a potter's table.

"The heavens rest upon His head, and the earth supporteth His feet; heaven hideth His spirit, the earth hideth His form, and the underworld shutteth up the mystery of Him within it. His body is like the air, heaven resteth upon His head, and the new inundation [of the Nile] containeth His form.

"God is merciful unto those who reverence Him, and He heareth him that calleth upon Him. He protecteth the weak against the strong, and He heareth the cry of him that is bound in fetters; He judgeth between the mighty and the weak. God knoweth him that knoweth Him, He rewardeth him that serveth Him, and He protecteth him that followeth Him."

Remember, this is 5,000 years before any religion called christianity or Islam. Judaism would later begin copying from this African spirituality.

To be continued....................

I totally agree with the part of your quote I bolded.

God and Truth is one and the same.

brodalokie:
You're a stranger to Christianity and I find this as an attack on the faith.
Stop mentioning me... Or don't expect any reply from me again.
I will allow the spirit to defend His word.

Apparently...now we know you have no answers to my questions...
Neither is there any scriptural backing for your false doctrine of monetary tithing...
Now it becomes an attack on Christianity...

Between you and Pastor Oritsejafor...I wonder who is worse

brodalokie:
Are you showing off your cramming or search skills here?
You can't be learning this way. Ask your pastor to explain that to you.

Christians are the extension of Israel for your information. The original Jew (Israelites) are referred to as the Fathers and the Spiritual Jews (Christians) are the Children. Clearly you're a spiritual bastard lol

If Christians are Spiritual Jews... then that means Paul was confused when he was writing Galatians 3 v 28?
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

On a side note...a Spiritual Bastard is someone who;

1) Knows the truth, but will twist it around for personal gain.
2) Add to God's word for personal gain.
3) Keep on preaching false doctrines with no reference whatsoever to the scriptures

Answer the questions I have been asking you on tithes all this while so we know who the Spiritual Bastard truly is...

brodalokie:
Are you showing off your cramming or search skills here?
You can't be learning this way. Ask your pastor to explain that to you.

Christians are the extension of Israel for your information. The original Jew (Israelites) are referred to as the Fathers and the Spiritual Jews (Christians) are the Children. Clearly you're a spiritual bastard lol

I thought you wanted to discuss scriptures...

We just started and you are talking of cramming and search skills? Do you even understand what you have been saying all the while?

By the way, just to ensure this topic is not derailed...

1) Search through from Genesis to Revelation and tell us where God instructed tithes to be paid monetarily (gold, silver, precious stones, bronze, minted coins e.t.c).

2) Also tell us where gentiles and Christians gave tithes...

brodalokie:
Romans 2 vs 25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

So how do you reconcile the part of the scripture you posted to Galatians 3 v 28?

Galatians 3:28 New International Version (NIV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Bros...this thing is very straightforward. Outside of Israel, no one gave tithes.

Also, in the early church, no where was it mentioned that the followers of Christ gave tithes...

In the Old testament...no where did God instruct tithes to be paid monetarily. When God gave the instructions on tithing, He was fully aware that gold and silver exists. God knows the past, present and future...yet He never asked for gold or silver or money as part of the things to be tithed...

So I am wondering if you know better than God that you should add to His words that 10% of monthly salary or profit is tithe.

I am also wondering if you know better than God as to why He gave only the children of Israel the tithing commandment to follow!

brodalokie:
Romans 2 vs 25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

So how do you reconcile the part of the scripture you posted to Galatians 3 v 28?

Galatians 3:28 New International Version (NIV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

brodalokie:
I am not getting any kick from this but I'll be happy to teach you the scripture. Please read Romans and tell me what you make of it...

And where exactly in Romans does my answer to tithing lie in?

Where in Romans did God mention tithes could be paid monetarily?

Where in Romans was it mentioned that gentiles or Christians gave tithes?

brodalokie:
Christians are no longer gentiles. They are joint heirs with the Jews. The original Jews was rejected by God to focus on us. We are obliged to pay tithes to God. That's where your pastor live on. It can be money if you're earning your income as money and it can be food or animals, what matters is 10% of your substance is for God.
I hope you stop debating the word of God after this.
You must be baptized in the name of Jesus to become a true Christian otherwise you're just a rebranded pagan virus the devil used to destroy the truth...
JESUS IS LORD

The part of your quote I bolded is totally inconsistent with the scriptures;

1) Mention where God included money as part of the items to be tithed. Or do you want me to quote Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 again?

2) Mention where the gentiles and congregants of the early church gave tithes...


Anything without scriptural backing means that you are adding to the word of God...and I hope you know the curses attached to someone who adds to the word of God!