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And I have no need to align mysef with deviants. So I will close my eyes and ignore the noise coming from anyone who says he/she has a lord, god, patron other than God Almighty Allah. Will I be surprise to see a person saying he is a muslim, but does not make salah, but reads the bible instead of Qur'an and wears a big cross around the neck!

People label themselves whatever they want. Allah the Almighty has set forth the criterion of knowing what is Right, away from what is Wrong! I am very satisfied with it!

This is a laugh. Where is the answer or where are the answers of what did forefather(s) worshipped?! I am going to bed. This is so boring.

« #328 on: Today at 10:11:04 AM »  
Jesus is Lord.

lies. No evidence!

 

Salvation in Christ.

@Ayinba: Salaamualykum. Great response!

More like 0%!



 

Jesus is Redeemer.

So was Moses!

 

Jesus - Our Intercessor.

Cancel's godly concept!

 

Jesus - the Way.

Your's, Bible's assumption!

Jesus - the Truth.

under Bigger Truth!


 

Jesus - the Life.

Muhammad's message's LIFE!


 

Somebody shout Halleluyah!

No Jehoveh, Yahweh!

 

 
@tonye-t (m):« #336 on: Today at 10:51:58 AM »  

@pilgrim 1,

girl u'r hot

Gullibe man falls!

Help, Creator only!

Creation supplicated Creator1

Creation prayed Creator!

Creation begged Creator!

Creation cried out!

Creation(s) needs/need Allah!

Creation(s) is/are powerless!

Worship no creation!

Worship Creator, alone!

Allah loves more!

Allah owns everyday!

Allah's love's Best!

Allah's Greatest, Altimate!

« #81 on: Today at 02:28:56 PM »
Hahaha. . . so it is only in Islam that people are supposed to learn how to clean after themselves from the toilet?!? Lol. . . alhaji, you're sounding really desperate now! All this repertoire simply because the evidence has been given that Muslims have always referred to Muhammad as "Lord"?! Ha, o gaa o!!

I am an ordinary muslim. And i have never referred to Muhammad (AS), as lord or anything more than a human messenger, prophet, servant and slave of his Lord and my Lord! And without what you got in cleaniness, I know how unclean the people from the west are. Where do you live, again? And you must have taking up their attitude, some!




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Thank God. . . the savour of Jesus Christ is not easy to be forgotten. Enjoy o jare![/quote]And you never have stopped going to the Qur'an! I guess if you were as old as my mother before you left for Kufr, you will still be making Dhikr! You can see how harder is to shake off Islam! At best you are 1/3 the age of my mother! And she knew all along that Jesus was not a god, nor a son of god, but a mere human prophet!




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Dear me. . he/she must have reminisced on Pickthall's 1919 sermon! How come you seem to be the only grown up muslim who is largely unaware of that widely circulated sermon sef?[/quote]A recent revert! Duuh!


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Oh comon, dear sir! Before Muhammad passed away, it is well known that he borrowed so many concepts from the Biblical faiths. What about the second coming of Jesus Christ - where did he get that from? And where did he get the concept of the "trumpet" in that second coming? Haba. . rank-xeroxing has a long history![/quote]And when next you ate, or slept, or do things that are human, please know that you copied everyone of them from me. The fact of the matter is that I have been alive, many decades before you. I have honed it down. You just copied them from me. How well could you have known anything except that you copied your elder, Olabowale, Now you see how silly your Christian assumptions are? Interestingly, he said Jesus did not die now crucified and also he spoke as a child! Please show me where he copied any of the three from your Bible?!





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I also wondered about that; and for the life of me, I still can't figure the contradictions of this very issue in the Quran itself.[/quote]Contradictions? Please point them out or for ever bite your tongue for not telling the truth!




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Lol. . the fact remains: Olabowale, you are the one who made noise that you have never heard any muslim refer to Muhammad as "Lord". After reading the evidence to the contrary, I have not seen you refute them. All that has happened is this interesting piece of drama where you're now calling other muslims "deviants". Why now?[/quote]our case is like the case of the Mormons, who invented Angel Moroni and Prophet John Smith, in a small cottage i n Upstate New York! Is there any sense it it, since Christianity is bad enough, they made Mormon worse than it!

Go to God!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »  

You need Jesus.

We need God!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

Jesus's like me!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

Everyone need God!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

Jesus needs God!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

Messenger to Jews!

@Pataki; « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

I.ve his Creator!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

Muhammad's sufficient (AS)!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

I have Muhammad!

@Pataki: « #293 on: Today at 05:25:22 PM »

You need Jesus.

No. I dont.

@A_K_O: Deleted, I'll Quit!

Marmaduke, Shiah, Sufi, and Tripoli? Thats the best you can do? These are deviants! Should they not have their deviances? Islam started in Makka and was completed in Madina! You can't show me a group in these two places that are deviants.

Marmaduke was a Christian before he became a muslim! The residual effect of christianity lingered with him. Is just like you. I am sure the cleaningness that you got from Islam still linger with you! Just imagine for a moment you were never at any time a muslim, could you have been able to clean after yourself the way you do now, after using the toilet? Absolutely, not.

I still hear a taint of Christianity in the way my mother prays for me. Just the other day, i had to correct a former Christian who assumed that he/she is a child of God!

Finally, the deviances go to the truth of the prophet's ahadith about divisons of 73. Then about copying the people of the Books even if they imitate them as they enter something like the hole of a lizard! And Allah talks about the Monafiqun of islam. How does a person justify calling anybody a lord, or god or both apart from Allah the Almighty Lord God the Creator, except he/she is a big time Munafiq! I know already that all of the other religions are Kufar and Mushrik.

@Cayon:

Since Abraham was from the land of your, I want to belief that Abraham practice Judaism seeing he was Hebrew. Judaism came through Isaac whom God clearly identified as the chosen seed. Isaac sired many generations that eventually led to King David and Jesus of Nazareth. (Christ)

Ur, the town/city where Ibrahim (AS) came from is in the present day Iraq. He left the place they practiced idol worshipping! They were not Jews or Hebrews but Babylobians! The religion of judaism was not known by him. It was not known during the time of Moses (AS). Read your Bible, again! When Moses killed an Egyptian in defense of his people which led him to the exile in Median, the people in slavery under the Egyptians were known as Children of Israel with 12 tribes or in general Hebrew because of their language! The worshipped in the way their greatfather saw his own grandfather Ibrahim, his father Isiaq worshipped!

He transferred the worship process to his children, whom one of them was Yusuf, the treasury miniter of Egypt. It was in the reign of Yusuf as Egyptian Treasurer that Israel (Yaqub) and his other 11 sons and unknown numbers of daughters and all their families came to Egypt, as honored people! Again, one of the 11 sons was named Judah. It is from the name, Judah that Jew as a people and Judaism as a religion was invented! I said invention because when it comes to religion, Judaism was made up. Again, Judaism, was not known during the Prophethood of Moses. Please remember that they used to be divided into tribes and the tribe of Judah was one of them, though very prominent becaus it was one of the oldest tribes because of the birth position of Judah among his brothers.

Maybe because of this birth position that in time, they were all absorbed to being called Jews! They were not even called Jews even in te time of Solomon. It was after the death of the immediate successor of Solomon, that Israel was divided into two nations, Judah, and Israel! The nation of Judah contained mainly, the tribe of Judah. It may be that it is after this even that Judaism and Jew were derived from Judah!

Finally, I remember that you said that your father came from Nigeria. Can your great great grandfather who never visited America, but had passed away in Nigeria be called a New Yorker of American, because you are an American? It is not possible! It is therefore the case with even Judah who had passed on before his progenies and the progenies of this sibligs decided to cull out a form of religion and tribal identity from his very name, Judah! You can see how remote that Jacob the father of Judah can be hardly called a Hew or to be assumed to have procticed Judaism. The case of Isaac is even more remote! Finally, I will stop at Abraham. There is no way therefore, that Abraham is a Jew or Jewish by either tribe or religion!



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Islam did not exist until the 7th century AD, therefore he could not have been Muslim.

[/quote]Thats when you are talking about the version of Muhammad!Islam has always been amongst man, from the moment Adam was created. Islam means submission, peacefully (unforced) to the Will of Allah (The God). Submission to His commandment in worship, in obedience, in doing good deeds for His sake, in avoidance of evil for His pleasure, etc. Part of thatis to know that God Almighty is One without any partner, or equal or another lord or god or support!

What we therefore observe is that all prophets before Muhammad (AS) have called their communities to the acknowledgement of this single purpose, without any exception! It is therefore no wonder that when it came to the time of Muhammad, and being the last of the prophets, he was required to start from his very own tribe and to his people and to the rest of the world!

Finally, 1,000 years ago, if we call a person a medical doctor, his knowledge of medicine then may just be as good as high school Health science studies! His method of treating ear infection will be dwarfed by what is available in today's medicine! Whereas 1000 years ago a heart problem before a doctor may mean death, because there was not too much to do, except the rudimentally almost ineffective treatment. But today, the options are vast, from bypass surgery to genetherapy, to artificial heart replacement, to heart transplant, to pace maker, etc! Queenisha, this is for you. I hope you weathered the storm and you and your family are okay?

Inshort, what am saying is that if a person who does not know that the medicine of 1000 years ago is related to the very advanced medicine of today, such a person may deny that the doctors of the yeasteryears were actually doctors and that their medicine was no medicine at all! Islam is the good food that nourishes the Soul and keep the spiritual heart healthy, as well gladden the whole body, including the physical heart!



[quote]O'll be visiting the mosque on Friday. Out of respect I bought a long dress (not too fitting) and I ordered a stylish hat to wear . I'll let you knw what the experience is like.

I am sure you will like it. One in the city or outside? I think you said you are going in a tour. I am gonna assume that its outside the city! Taqwa on Fulton and Bedford streets, a block away toward downtown off Nostrand and Atlantic Avenues is a good community to visit. You can also go to Kalifah still on Bedford, just 3 block after Taqwa.

Peace

And you, too.

« #72 on: Today at 07:30:34 PM »
@Olabowale,

No need for the vexations. I asked 3 simple questions - if you couldn't answer them, I can forebear with you because it has always been the default attitude to assume when you have always evaded issues.

Nonetheless, in love and simplicity let me make a few remarks to your reposte above:


Quote from: olabowale on Today at 02:56:27 PM
Do you have it in the Qur'an where muslims are permitted to call Muhammad, lord? Do you have it in the Ahadith where Muhammad told his companion that it is okay to call him, lord? If you can't find any place to support your silly prepositions, then the incoherence is all yours.

The incoheence is not mine in as much as I'm not the one who wrote the ahadiths where Muhammad is referred to as "Lord". If you don't know, simply say you don't know and nothing will happen to you.

However, there are several ahadiths where Muhammad is referred to as "Lord", and that is why I asked you those simple 3 questions. There's no need to be super-reactive because someone is pointing out to you what you have often asserted contrary to clear evidence. If you want the ahadiths to be produced, I'll gladly post them to remind you (and readers), and then you can decide to eat your own words.

And you have not found the wisdom to list a single one! At least I on the other hand, did not have to wait for you to press my hand to quote Mark 12 verse 29! Do the same! A muslim lawyer was telling me that your article, where Muhammad is being called some form of lord, is a lie. A fraudulently concorted material to try to denegrate and relegate Islam to the same level as Christianity by your claim that some muslims have the same general mindset of lordship as the Christians. But then i would not be surprise if we have some demented people saying Muhammad is their lord, anyhow! (A good example of those who call themselves muslims are the nation of Islam, headquartered in Chicago. They used to have an arab man in Detroit who said or they believed that he was the reincarnation of God. Sound familiar?). And all the while, they do not make Salah! They use the Bible to preach. Can anyone call these people, muslims? Maybe persons like you. Yet salah is even less important that declaring that God is One and no one else is lord! If therefore a person says there is a lord apart from what is permissible, Allah the Almighty, can we take him to be a muslim, even if he make salah, Zakah, sawm and hajj? The answer is no! A person who takes another lord and or patron with Allah is not a muslim. If he dies without repentance, and denial of this belief, he will be regarded, by Allah who knows all things, as a disbeliever, even if every human being never knew that he held this belief!

Aburo, you are just a time waster. When you are serious, I will reconsider engaging you indialogue! In the maintime, produce verifiable evidences of all your accusations. Use Islamic sources. What the christians say will be definitely dubious, since they are only trying to malign Islam, without any boundary to their effort. They will go as low as they can possibly get, since the end, intheir own bylaws always justifies the mean(s)!

Here in America, we have a group known as the 5 or 10 percenters. They believe that they are part god. Sound familiar when you look at the residual effect of christianity or indian subcontinent cultural paganic religions. Afterall, the christians and indeed the Bible have a tribe of gods still running around (the Jews, and from them the human god of the christians)! Will it be too far fetched, if some crazy indians who believe that some children is reincarnate of god, to call any person in the level of Muhammad, some lord? Come on, Pilgrim. You should let me know your Yoruba name. All this pilgrim, or pilgrim.1 ko mo mi laraa, rara rara! Mo kon tie shi raye tie ni o. And a time is coming when I will not even bother to read your piece, even if light yourself up or wrap yourself up in Nigerian Flag!

You asked the question, you answered it so well. Thank you.

And I thought you were a smart girl! Sorry. I wo lo faa ti mo fi nfun e lesi bayi o.




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This is why I asked earlier: "(c) can you tell us why Muslims refer to Muhammad as "Lord" and yet they are restless when they hear Christians refer to Jesus Christ as "Lord"?"

Lol. . . okay, if you're alleging the hypocrisy to the Islamic Supreme Council of America, I forebear.[/quote]In all my years as a muslim, especially on the shore of america, probably longer than you have been alive, I have never heard of Muslims, calling Muhammad (as) lord! Now it is in your dubious mind that you bring it up! Did you get it from a Muslim website or that of your comrade Keferis? Please give us the website so that we can see it for ourselves. And while you are at it, give us the ahadith details, too.

And i havent been shy to quote your Bible's part that says there is lordship of a tribe and from it sons and begotten and first son of god. While other part says God is not like any human and He God has never been seen by any eyes! Now what do you say about that?!

Also, it's quite unfortunate that many Muslim scholars who have referred to Muhammad as "Lord" come under your allegation of hypocrisy and regret, not so? If the moderators would permit, I could give you a very long list of other Muslim scholars, Muslim translators of the Quran, Muslim councils and associations in several countries, Islamic literature and sahih ahadiths. [b]These all refer to Muhammad as "Lord" in unmistable terms both in Arabic and English, and the evidence is not a secre[/b]t. Are you still going to maintain that those who would be mentioned are regretfully "hypocritical"? Are you upset with me for simply showing you the evidence that removes and wastes your assertions that Muslims never refer to Muhammad as 'Lord'?

It is not unfortunate that I said what you called "quite unfortunate!" All you have to do is to present the ahadith, because I can't wait to read it and share it with many muslims, around the world! YOu need not ask any moderator for speaking the truth! At least present it and see it any will escoriate you for speaking out! You should have learnt that in your living in England. Remember the house of common that grills the PM, which regularly?

And when you fail in your effort, then I will be waiting for you to have the strenth to admit that you have been less than stellar by your farce! The muslims are accused of almost everything, but calling Muhammad lord, is now from you, for the very first time! And you wonder why you are i the wrong camp? No wonder you feel comfortable to go to a begotten son, when the father and mother are not husband and wife, or common law family, etc.

If you are a man, and you did not have a liason or some legal or illegal sexual relationship with somebody. Yet you were told that you have a son, not by the mother of a boy, but those who think the boy is special. Will you not forcefull deny their charge?

This is why you read from the Qur'an that our Lord Allah the Almighty is direct in denying that He fathered any person, except that He is the Creator of all. This is why He used the humanness of Jesus and his mother to squash the idea that Jesus is a god. This is why He speaks about His uniqueness by not resembling or have anything remote that may make Him look like a human being. This is why, in clear term, that Allah advises against the stubborn continuation of what the Christians are saying. And His warning of the terrible punishment that will be the reward of such evil statements! Read again. I know that you are smart. But your dubious mind is not allowing you to be honest! O ma see o!

You were convinced that Muslims never refer to Muhammad as "Lord"; but now you don't kow what to do with the shocking revelation that they actually do so. The truth is that reknowned and established names among Muslims are the ones who actually refer to Muhammad as "Lord" - and the evidence could be provided if you care and can stand the shock of the simple truth in that regard.

You have proven nothing, but wayo. If some muslim organization in America calls Muhammad, I would have known it. I know many people. If the muslims do what you said they do concerning Muhammad, there would have been many newsletter denouncing it. There would have been sermons about it, too. It would have been hot topics within our community! None of these have happened. And your source is very dubious, since your intention is to undermine Islam. See how Allah reveal your evil heart?! Where are you gonna hide when you are the only one in the grave, without the support of your brethrens? Say 1000 years from now. You have to die by then, right?

The problem with many people (especially unlearned muslims) is that they have never taken the time to carefully investigate these matters. It has been taken for granted that nobody would notice these issues; but as soon as they are pointed out, it is quite a funny episode to watch the reactions of muslims around the world who are in shock that they never realize these matters. Even the Western world and politicians are easily fooled when Muslims deny these matters - a lot of resources are being spent to cover up the clear evidence; but relax, dear Olabowale. . . truth does injury only to the person who loves falsehood.

I am one of those unlearned muslims! However, I know that for 13 years straight, Muhammad preached singly about One Lord God Allah the Almighty! And later on he spoke about no even honoring him so highly that it may lead to any form of deitification, the same way that the Christians have done! And when he died, Abu Bakr had to remind the Muslims a verse in the Al Imran that Muhammad will die just the past prophets, then will you turn back from what he had told you about One God?


Interestingly, you left this same religion for a one that says there is (Please count it with me); god the father (thats the biggest of the 3 gods), god the holy spirit (thats the invisible god, but most of the christians or all of them believe he is the least of the 3 gods) and finally the son god (the one that walked the streets of Galille, jerusalem, etc, who also ate and was all the time 100% god and 100% human!). You are an engineering student. Please tell me how a single particle could be 100% of one thing and at the same time 100% of something else, especially the two things never to remotely resemble each others, like isotopes or polymers? I know you are very smart academically. Now tell me what happened to you religiously? Why take off the cap of smartness when it came to religion?