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Its not personal with me. None of your suggestions about Allah and the Kaaba is correct. Allah commands and the Muslims obeys, the reason for facing Kaaba as our Qibla. The Earth is not big enough to take Allah. All heavens are noteither, so it will be completely impossible to say that the Kaaba houses Allah, while some of you even say that He is embedded in the stone that is embedded in the Kaaba!

"Shall I seek OTHER THAN GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? , The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (sura  An’am ch- 6, v 114-116)

Is there a way to know the meaning of Quran, except the verse(s) were explained by Muhammad (AS)? If he was not an explaniner of the Quran, how did you know that you have to make Duhr at its time and its for 4 rakah? Allah says Obey Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad AS). Oh my brother who rejects ahadith but only follow Quran, please help me to understand the part that says "and His Messenger." Below is the Tafsir of Verses 114 to 116 of Surah An Am. Where is the disagreement with the Verses and the Tafsir?

                                                                                      Tafsir al-Jalalayn

6:114: Sahih International
[Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom We [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
The following was revealed when they asked the Prophet (s) to appoint an arbiter between him and themselves. Say: Shall I seek, demand, other than God as a judge, an arbiter between you and me, when it is He Who revealed to you the Book, the Qur’ān, clearly explained?, wherein truth is distinguished from falsehood. Those to whom We have given the Scripture, the Torah, the likes of ‘Abd Allāh b. Salām and his companions, know that it is revealed (read munzal or munazzal) from your Lord in truth; so do not be of the waverers, the doubters, regarding it: this is intended to affirm to the disbelievers that it is the truth.

6:115: Sahih International
And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Perfected is the word of your Lord, in the way of rulings and appointed terms, in truthfulness and justice (sidqan wa-‘adlan is for specification); none can change His words, either by contravening [His rulings] or evading [His appointed terms]. He is the Hearing, of what is said, the Knowing, of what is done.

6:116: Sahih International
And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah . They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
If you obey most of those on earth, that is, the disbelievers, they will lead you astray from the way of God, [from] His religion; they follow only supposition, when they dispute with you concerning [the status of] carrion, saying: ‘What God has killed is more worthy of your consumption than what you kill yourselves!’; they are merely guessing, speaking falsehood in this [matter].



[quoteHow  is it  that  those  who  read the Quran can’t  really  understand  the  words  of  GOD, from  the above  you  can  clearly  see  that  Allah  says  that  if  you  follow  the  majority  of  people, they  will  lead  you  astray, because  they  are  not  following  strictly  Allahs  command(Quran),  they  follow  assumptions, conjectures(Hadith), and they  fail  to  think.

[/quote]Are muslims the larger population at anytime from when Quran was revealed: Muslims today number just 1.5 Billion, while the whole mankind at this time is over 6 Billion. GI figure.



[quote]Allah  prohibits  the acceptance  of  any  hadith apart  from the  Quran:

Does Allah say in the Quran, Obey Allah and Obey Muhammad? Does Allah say in the Quran take what Muhammad gives you and reject what he forbids you. Does Allah say in the Quran follow Muhammad and Allah will love you and forgive you and make your affairs easy? When Muhammad says make 2 Rakah for Salatul Subr, why dont you reject it and tell me where you get it in the Quran, while you are explaining or disproving all I said of the Quran about Muhammad, except that you do not truly believe in the Quran. For a person who accept Quran will accept the ahadith that agree with Quran as coming from Muhammad, and reject any weak or non ahadith that are labelled ahadith!

“Such  are the  signs  of  Allah,  which  We  rehearse  to  thee  in  truth:  then in what  other  Hadith(exposition)  will  they  then  believe  after  Allah  and  His signs?  Woe to  each  sinful  imposter.”  (sura   Jathiya   ch -45, v 6-7)

Is Muhammad (AS) not a sign, even before his birth, and specifically in his prophethood? Did Muhammad not preach the signs of Allah, as just One to those pagans of 360  gods? Do you say things out of ignorance?

45:6: Sahih International
These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
These, mentioned signs, are the signs of God, the proofs of His that indicate His Oneness, which We recite, relate, to you with truth (bi’l-haqqi is semantically connected to natlū, ‘We recite’). So in what [kind of] discourse then, after God, that is to say, [after] His discourse, namely, the Qur’ān, and His signs, His definitive arguments, will they, that is, the disbelievers of Mecca, believe? In other words: they will not believe [in anything] (a variant reading [for yu’minūna, ‘they believe’] has tu’minūna, ‘you believe’).

45:7: Sahih International
Woe to every sinful liar

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Woe (waylun is an expression implying chastisement) to every sinful liar,

"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in?"( 7:185)

Are the Muslims who are in doubt of Allah's Magesty? Oh, Usisky, Takillah!

7:185: Sahih International
Do they not look into the realm of the heavens and the earth and everything that Allah has created and [think] that perhaps their appointed time has come near? So in what statement hereafter will they believe?

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And have they not reflected upon the dominion, the kingdom (malakūt is mulk) of the heaven and of the earth, and, upon, what things God has created (min shay’in is an explication of the preceding mā, ‘what’), so that they are able to infer the power of their Creator and His Oneness, and, upon, that, [upon] the fact that, it may be that their term is already near, so that they might hasten to believe, lest they die as disbelievers and move towards the Fire? In what fact then after this, that is, the Qur’ān, will they believe?

"God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them." (39:23 )

Are not the Muslims who preserve the Quran and try hard to follow it? Are you saying Abu Bakr (RA) did not follow this very verse? Or was it Umar? Or Uthman? Or Ali bin AbiTalib?

39:23: Sahih International
Allah has sent down the best statement: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah . That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
God has revealed the best of discourses, a Book (kitāban, substitutes for ahsana, ‘the best’) namely, a Qur’ān, consimilar, in other words, some of its parts are similar to others in terms of [their] arrangement and otherwise, in coupled phrases — [a Book] in which the Promise [of reward] is coupled with the Threat [of punishment], together with other such [couplings] — whereat quiver, at the mention of whose Threat shiver, the skins of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts soften to, they are reassured by, the remembrance of God, that is, at the mention of His Promise. That, Book, is God’s guidance, by which He guides whomever He will, of His servants; and whomever God leads astray, for him there is no guide.

"Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful."( 52:34 )
"Which HADITH other than this do they uphold?" (77:50 )

52:34: Sahih International
Then let them produce a statement like it, if they should be truthful.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Then let them bring a, concocted, discourse like it, if they are truthful, in what they say.

77:50: Sahih International
Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe?

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
In what discourse, then, after this, namely, the Qur’ān, will they believe? In other words, they cannot believe in any other of God’s Scriptures after having denied this [Qur’ān], since it comprises that inimitability (i‘jāz) which none of the others do.

God  forbade the  prophet  from  uttering  anything  outside  of  the  Quran, infact if he ever said anything outside the quran he will face retribbution:

As I have said, hadith that explains the Quran is not outside the Quran. Hadith is the saying of Prophet Muhammad (AS), which are explanation of the Quran.

“That  is verily  the word  of  an  honoured  messenger;  it  is  not the word  of  a poet: little  do  you  believe!  Nor  is  it  the  word  of  soothsayer:  little  do  you  receive  admonition. This  is  a  message  sent  down  from  the  Lord  of  the Worlds. And  if  the  messenger  were to  invent  sayings  in  our  name, We should  certainly  seize  him  by  his  right hand, And  We  should certainly  then  cut-off  the  artery  of  his  heart:  Nor  could  any  of  you  withhold  him  from  our  punishment.” (sura  Al- Haqaat  ch-69, v 40-47)

The bolded explain all that needs to be explained do I will spare you of the Tafsir! If you say what Muhammad said of this religion is in line with what Allah says of the above verse, then you need to go and search for authentic hadith and stop rejecting ahadith that came from Muhammmad. Do you know better or it is Muhammad who knows best, among mankind?

“And  their  purpose  was  to  tempt  you  away  from  that  which  We  had  revealed(Quran)  unto  you,  to  substitute  in  Our  name  something  quite  different: (in  that  case) behold!  They  would  certainly  have  made  you(their)  friend!  And  had  We  not  given  you  strength, thou  would  have  nearly  inclined  to  them  a little. In  that  case  We  should  have  made  you  taste  double  portion(of  punishment)  in this  life,  and  equal  portion  in  death:  and  moreover  you  would  have  found  none  to  help  you  against  Us!” (sura  Isra  ch-17, v  73-75)

This whole verse goes against your believe that true muslims are going against Allah, and or ahadith and or sunna is incongruent/against Quran. You need to reconcile this yourself!

The other thing is that this verse kills the idea that Islam, Quran, has anything to do with Paganism, Judaism, Christianity! Noting is further from the real truth. And if Muhammad (AS) had said Allah has a son or a daughter or 3 daughters. the above would have been the consequence of it!

@Usisky: Please, tell me outside Sunna and Hadith, how many rakah is salatul Subr, Salatul Duhr, Salatul Asr, Salatul Magrib, and oh Salatul Isha?

Later I will ask you about Salatul Qiyam/Tahajjud, and even Witr, Salatul Id Fitr, Id Adha! Thats only in Salah. The rakah and the manasset (process) are not explained in the Quran, you know.

@Davidylan: « #82 on: December 15, 2009, 10:44 PM »

I dont read where it says a christian woman cannot look beautiful, i dont see were the bible says she shld not wear pants or paint her nails or adorn her hair . . . if you wish to marry a deeperlife wife pls go ahead but dont use the bible to support your personal decision. Me i would love to have a woman i can be proud of anywhere.
My 2 kobo

Please make your 2 kobo not make you proud enough that you will loose the focus of what marriage is; between the man and woman and showing the puppies or the badboys, flunting the family jewels to everyone along the way, out there, and not reserving them for you alone, is like a chancy dey situation, except you are the one who is invited to the party and the only one accepted to pay.

You can lose the the wife just as quickly as you get her, or when another davidylan with some kinda edgy attitude to him comes along.

@Aloy~Emeka: « #41 on: Today at 08:02:21 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 05:47:02 AM
@Aloy~Emeka: « #39 on: Today at 01:18:15 AM » They are religious people, but religion has no impact in their lives! What is the value of the religion that you discard in every crucial condition? Culture/law of the west, isnt that Judeo-Christian? I know, Judaism and Christianity always take backseat to the culture/law. Sucker religions, since it does not impact their lives, like the toutou dress of the old europe, it covers everything but touches nothing!

Emeka you better move to my side where what you say, is exactly what you mean!

Everybody in the west is not religious and that is why they separate religion from their state's affairs unlike we Nigerians who use government money o finance, brood and encourage pilgrimages to Mecca albeit a mixed religious nation.

Emeka, please stop being light headed/"hearted". The truth is that you christians always quick to dismiss anything bad done by Christian as separate from the religion! Does the religion have any impact in the lives of the adherents? If you reject the bad, you must surely reject the good, except that you are saying there is no real value to the religion, and if I use your argument, there is nothing inate to mankind, yet you people claim that Adam and his wife did evil. Dont you know that they did good, too? They didnt kill anybody, and they seeked forgiveness from the Forgiving God, and they shall not, InshaAllah go to Hell!

Again, emeka, does Christianity have any value, quality, impact in the lives of Christians? And others dont have impact in the lives of their adherents? If a Christian is good because of Christianity, the ones who are bad must be that Christianity does not enter their hearts. No? Same is islam; the good muslims are good because of Islam, and the bad ones are because their hearts are hard to Islam, yet. Last night, a friend of mine called me about his computer problems, which he would resolve, today. I asked if he will take it to the Nigerian Christian I know. He shocked me that this nigerian "catholic" secretly in the dead of the night packed out of his store that he rented from the Egyptian Muslim, he owed many many months of store rents! Jude, the Nigerian in Brooklyn's Fulton Street and 2 houses from Bedford towards Franklyn Avenue.

Jude used to make millions, a good church goer, married to a young Nigerian woman. Now, how do you chalk this one for the terrible Nigerian Christian, and the Egyptian Muslim who lost so much? By the way, I just called the lawyer who was handling the issue. He happened to be a nigerian, like a son to me, Mustapha just confirmed it. I guess you have a good explanation, blaming the Egyptian muslim, and giving all possible excuses and leeways to explain away the situation of the Nigerian Christian. It will be better to blame Nigeria for his woes, a confirmed miillionaire, rather than the religion that could not affect his heart, pricking up his conscience!

Let me handle davidylan befor I jump on Emeka. You guys are in for a shock:

@Davidylan: « #33 on: Yesterday at 07:24:33 PM »

[/quote]Quote from: Jarus on Yesterday at 07:15:36 PM
Yes, no shying away from the fact that stoning is part of shariah punishment, but definitely not the jungle justice way these people went about it. Muhammad will never do that.
-No organized hearing
-Burying or part burying totally alien to Shariah teaching

err so HOW would mohammad have stoned this man any differently? Using lighter stones?[quote]

Maybe you have been a bat all this while? Even the bat has natural (instinctive, which you lack, david) sonal system to navigate. Above we left you some ahadith from the prophet (AS) and the action of Ali based on the ahadith, both showing Mercy and Forgiveness, you are worse, playing possum or worst, Ostrich since even bat reacts, instinctively. You are so seditary in your thinking. This is regressive, man!

Again you try to be deceitful with the issue of "burying" . . . as being alien to sharia.

If its not part of Sharia or Sunna, should it not be stated as such for your blind eye to read it? Seriously! I know I love you but tough love should not be hard for you to swallow. No? This is not child abuse man and aint listen to no complaint from you.

That man wasnt buried

Really? You are disappointing me with your lead lenses, which is not allowing you to know between burying and 100% free movement. No one says that it is part of sharia or sunna that the offender is to be put even in a grave, considering that Somalians are "all Muslims" even in their poor knowledge of Islam, would it not have been better that many people see him, rather than just the executioners?

. . . they simply used that technique to immobilize him . . .

Muhammad (AS) the authority of his completed brand of islam, head and shoulders above the uncompleted earlier brands with say Jesus, Moses, etc (AS) did not say people should be immobilized! There is no except.

for something that is allegedly unislamic, an awful lot of muslim countries use the same method for stoning . . . examples include Iran and Saudi Arabia.

I repeat, none of the countries is an authority, whose decision can override that of Muhammad (AS)! Anyone, group, nation, generation that does that, and those who follow such an ignorant act, have left Islam, because they go against Allah in His Commandments in the Quran: Muhammad Rasulullah. Others; Obey Allah and His Messenger. Whatever Muhammad gives you take it, whatever he forbids you do not go to it. Muhammad (AS) says in his ahadith: whoever brings a new thing to this our affair, he is not from us. Did Muhammad leave anything undone, unexplained of the laws governing crimes and punishments? NO. Muhammad asked his companions (RA) in his farewell address: Did I not deliver the Message of your Lord to you? They all answered; You delivered it. Proof; Even when he was escoriated in Surah Abasa, Muhammad (AS) had no choice but to reveal every word of it! There are many other proofs, but the above is sufficient. After the companions said that he had delivered the message, Muhammad raised his head, Oh Allah bear Witness that I have delivered Your Message to Your People. Please note that people on Hajj are "special guests of Allah". And believers are His People!

Let me reiterate again that your charge that the man was not given organized hearing is total nonsense . . . if they were witnesses to the event and the man himself confessed to the offense then what other "organized hearing" is needed?

They will need the total community to agree, inclusive the agreement from the knowledgeable among them. And if they have any knowledge, they would not have allowed partial, full, take your pick, man, burial. Proof: when the son of Kalifah Umar Khattab committed fornication, he himself caned him 100 lashes. At 80, the son asked if he could have a drink of water. His father Umar (RA) said that drink of water was not part of the law. At that point, the son (RA) died. Umar then proceeded to give the dead man 20 more lashes to complete the 100. No one says that the fornicator should be whipped until death, but just 100 lashes. Umar dreamt later about the son who thanked Allah that his father's 20 lashes that he gave him after his death secured his paradise! David, I know you hate Islam, and this is your problem alone, but dont let it eat you alive.

Quote from: Jarus on Yesterday at 07:15:36 PM
Did Muhammad bury and stone anyone in Somalia?

Did mohammad NOT stone anyone to death?[/quote[Did Jesus not kill a tree, drown a group of pigs, while claiming to do good for a human being, curse a person calling him fool, a tribe calling them dogs, a people calling them adulterous generation (And no people take off their undergarment off at a drop of a dime as quickly as the christians), not forgiving the delutional thief on his left just because he did not believe him, similar to "my God, my God (not my father, my father or my partner, my partner in trinity) why has thou forsaken me". If the thief will go to hell, since the one on his right will go to paradise, where shall Biblical Jesus head to since he did not believe "God" by that very statement? I am expecting the proverbial "fists" to start flying in defense of the indefensible!

@Aloy~Emeka: « #39 on: Today at 01:18:15 AM »

Quote from: Jarus on Yesterday at 07:38:36 PM
Is electrocuting to death, as is sanctioned by many human laws, barbaric?
A very clever question. I will say it's inhuman but it has no religious inclination. Western culture/law does not necessarily equate to Christian laws.

They are religious people, but religion has no impact in their lives! What is the value of the religion that you discard in every crucial condition? Culture/law of the west, isnt that Judeo-Christian? I know, Judaism and Christianity always take backseat to the culture/law. Sucker religions, since it does not impact their lives, like the toutou dress of the old europe, it covers everything but touches nothing!

Emeka you better move to my side where what you say, is exactly what you mean!

@Nuclearboy; « #406 on: Yesterday at 10:27:21 PM »

Sorry but you are wrong. 3 images do not form in my mind!

Three names (Father, Son and Holy Ghost, Spirit) on your lips, however. It is hard pressing to take it that you have these names on your lips, hopefully visualising them to be three, but manage to merge them into One, without them appearing in your mind as three! If this is true, you are better than Jesus who said there are 3, and he gave them 3 locations, he being on earth, Ghost being not seen, and Father obviously in Heaven!

You can look at God as merciful, forgiving and loving. that doesn't make him 3. In the same way, it would be nice if you just referred to my "again repeated" allegory. Look at me as [1] this note [2] a voice over the phone [3] a physical presence.

I do hope that you are not deluded to think that those who read your "note" on Nairaland actually know you who you are by this note, just as much as your family members who know who you are, height, persona, weight, gender even though you call yourself a boy, male. Look at Tudor, people are killing themselves over his gender! Most people on Nairaland have not even heard your voice, and those who have will not be able to identify you 100% just by that voice.

Your voice just in case you lost it by some trauma does not take away from you, especially your total person. Voice is nothing, hence Jesus being "Word" is nothing while the Speaker is Something. Voice is just the Vocal thought of the speaker. Those who know you well are those who have the advantage of your #3! And #s 1 and 2 are not enough. They may not be your persona, even as a human. God has to be more complex than that, and if you compare Him in human example in One thing, then, it must be so in every which way till sunday without any exception. So when Jesus was reported to be hung, since you are addressing his death, the three have to die. There is no way you Nuclearboy can be eating and you say the speaker on the phone and or the writer of the phone was not eating, since they are all merged to one and the same!

The Does that make me three. You're trying to find a way to get around this but there's none cos its just the truth.

You may be naive about your three conditions, if the writer of the not went to the "American Football" field to watch a good game, will anyone in his/her right mind unless imbeccile will say that the guy who was on the phone and the one seen physically was or were not spectator(s) (lol) in the stadium?

When you say I read with "western goggles", you forget it comes back to you too reading with "arabian goggles".

The seeker is a student in California, USA, a western country, while you live in Nigeria, a not "western country". The fact that he is forcing you to think, and be rational about things does not make him wrong. Not everything arabic for that matter is wrong and not everything western is right either!

Given the chance between the US which represents the "west" and libya or afghanistan (or anywhere) representing the "arabs", I know which I prefer.

Nuclearboy, those of us who live in the US see things wrong about this country, collective agenda, and individual persons sometimes. The Seeker is in a better position thna you to tell you the pulse of America. He lives in America. I will take his opinion about America over yours any day.

Emmanuel means "GOD WITH US", Jesus was that "God" with us

All Emmanuels are therefore by your argument are "God".

and its sad you expect He would be going around with people saying "this is God with us". Amazing question there!

Amazing question that I asked you above about Emmanuel!

When you say "Eli", could you please google the name and find out what "Eli" means? Is that God? Another amazing question there!

If Eli is what you want it to mean, how many in the history of mankind? And then Jesus; ridiculous!

Did you mean Isaiah 7 or 9? And if you meant 9, yep, thats Jesus there.

And Jesus never said he was there! he had 33 years to say it, 3 of them as preacher of "Gospel" not gospels! But we have gospels in the Bible!

And while you leave me with my clear conscience, I have a poser for you - why? Whats the noise, the anger, the ranting all about?

The seeker did not make noise, nor got angry, and did not rant. The guy is a gentleman and you are disappointed! It would have been better if he just agreed with your tale of three gods.

Tell us one thing He did wrong.

When you tell us things that he did right by the figtree, being driven into the wilderness to shout the time is at hand (over 2000 years ago), calling somebody a fool, and another a dog, and the jews condecending titles as generation of vipers, leaches, etc, and of course killing the pigs by drowning them, etc, etc, I shall tell you that each of those actions, by your Biblical claims are wrong.

You guys go as far as saying He died and didn't sleep for 3 days and nights.

We say he did not die. And by your account, if you say we said that he slept, but it is not for three days, or will you calculate three days of the Jews for us, starting from Friday, before the beginning of Sunset and ending on Sunday before Sunrise, to mean 3 days.

Then you say He didn't die but was exchanged for Judas. So it was Judas crying on the Cross. Then again its Jesus when the argument suits you!

Some ignorant muslims have been very zealot to crack under the yoke of the pressure borne by Christianity, trying to explain beyond what the Quran and Ahadith say about Jesus and the encounter of his situation on the Cross; Allah says in Surah Nisaa, the y did not kill him, and they did not crucify him, except that it was made to appear so. And those who argue about it have no authority, except that they are making conjectures, for certain they did not kill him, and did not crucify him.

The Jewish intention, according to their traditional belief is to make his soul be cursed if he can die and be hung overnight. This did not happen. The lazy Christians in their ignorance but wishful thinking that somebody must be responsible for them, they got crazy about Jesus because they listen to the boast of the Jews who say they killed him. And since Jesus was the last prophet from the Children of Israel, they assumed that he is must be the savior and forgiver, without any other.

I have news for you Moses was exactly the same; the savior of the children of Israel from the peril of Egypt, and many others including spiritual direction from the wrong path, worshipping of Golden Cow, for example. Forgiver because when he directed them to the right path, if they follow, they will have the same mercy and forgiveness from God as Moses and his brother Aaron have.

I have asked before and again do - what else but the truth do you think everyone tries to fault? Why? Because there's no need to fault a lie.

Nuclearboy, I hope that you will think about this same question that you ask, here. Look at how many times you find faults about Allah (many of you say He is an idol, and even embedded in the black stone, some say He is just moon god, others say He is the tribal god of the Quraish, yet others are even asking if He is the Sun itself, and yet the names and opinions are still there).

Islam is another which many of you (ohsisi is my example here) say is a hybrid of Judaism, Christianity and arab paganism. Muhammad (AS) is an easy pot shot, since he is a human being not claiming to be another god, like you know who his fake followers are claiming god, son of god for. I read people calling Muhammad all kind of sexual deviant names, and I like to say without confessing to anyone, for man to man confession is for the Catholic, that if I am not following Muhammad (AS), as a blackman, an african, a Nigerian, a yoruba, etc, a full blooded male, do you know how "busting loose" I could have been like a raging bull in a China shop, ok like a child in a candy store?

Muhammad (AS) is the best of all who ever stepped their feet on this earth we live in. Yet when we say Jesus is not God we give you all reasons he was a human being, reasons that there is no more than 1 God. But you sir, nuclearboy cant give us a single unrefutable evidence that God was ever a human being, putting himself down eating, using toilet, etc like you or I!

I shall leave Toba alone to his/her localised sentimental ignorance, against a tribe in Nigeria which to him/her is the representation of Islam. Rather I will debunk David's ignorance, while I believe he should have known better, but old poison in him cuts so deeply. He forgets that his bloodline in Ijebu Ode are Muslims, probably prior to his grandfather.

But thats another issue. David, as stated by prior posts, Islam permits punishment for a grievious sin, yet it has a ruling for such a punishment and even forgiveness for it! No one single place did the prophet (AS) command that people should be immobilized from running or gagged from yelling. The essence of punishment is that witnesses should see how much the punished did not want to be punished, and just perchance may cryout to his/her Creator overtly seeking forgiveness and may even deny committing the sin!

America in all her glory punishes and when executing people, immobilizes with drugs, or the first lower jolt of electric current before the final drug, higher current, respectively are delivered. I am not even taliking about firing squard or hanging. All of these are practiced. Just as much as I think the Somalian vigillantes are wrong, it is also wrong not to be able to punish as God Commands, especially when the offense is a way of bringing chaos, etc in lives of the people.

If Nigerians face the East, it is because they are on the western side of the globe relaive to the Kaaba that muslim faces as the Qibla. Those who are on the east of it therefore face west. Those in the north face south, and those in south face North! Makkans face the Kaaba whereever they may be. If the Kaaba is the Sun, then you are correct, but if not you are completely incorrect in your assumption.

If you have anything in your head, then all you have to do is to get a picyure of the Kaaba, and you will see that it is the structure everyone faces, all around!

Realtol, go sidon and lemme educate LawBreaker based on his name, because he and the "Allahu Akbar" Screamers are both ignorant of Islamic Jurisprudence.

LawBreaker, Islam does not allow commission of evil. If a Muslim is to speak when he/she punishes a disbeliever, it should be "Laanatullahi alal kafirin). No oneshould shout Allahu Akbar except to stop an action, or telling somebody to stop evil deed, or praising Allah/The God.

A muslim who is certain of death should say "Laa ila ha ilAllah" Nothing except than that, since when you have a headache, you dont use acid reflux liquid, but something that has caffeine. When a muslim sneezes, he/she says Alhamdulillah. He does not say SubhannAllah.

A muslim who is shouting Allahu Akbar when he/she is doing evil, is mistake in two ways, doing evil and calling Allah in Witness, when the Quran and Ahadith warn against evil, of all kind.

@bubugul: « #14 on: Today at 01:12:34 AM »

and sucks too. it was because of the mistake Sarah made my telling Abraham to take her maid. if not we, won't be in this poo

bubugul is in big poo, for real. hah hah, in the fasion of Simpson's cartoon show. Sarah has nothing to do with relationship of Hajar and Ibrahim (AS), unless you say husband Ibrahim and wife Sarah planned adultery and forced sexual act on Hajar?

That is a serious allegation coming from your mouth. I wonder if we do not accrue all the evil deeds of Christians and Christianity on who; Trinity, or Triun, Jesus or is it Paul or saul? Stop being silly, woman. You live in the US, and the capital of evil it is, and it is the place where every sin is harshly punished.

@Toba: « #10 on: Yesterday at 11:15:12 PM »  

@olabowale.your post shows mohammed would have done 2things, 1 order the man to be killed& 2 ask why didnt they let him live.SO IS HE STRAIGHT FORWARD ACCORDING TO your POST? with due respect to d prophet

My post shows that the guilty are given due punishment since Allah reveals their sins, but whoever of them recount his guilt, he/she will be left alone for Allah's Judgement alone, based on His Commandment in the Quran, about sexual guilt when he/she swears 3 times they are not guilty, but the fourth, calling the wrath of Allah if he/she did it!  


@bubugul (f): « #11 on: Today at 12:32:11 AM »  

@olabowale
are you trying to say that you've never committed adultery or sin worst than that? Yeah! you all committ adultery, and then turn around to kill the ones caught in act. JESUS calls them hypocrites. you are still alive today Cos you're careful in committing it

I will not answer your allegations, except that I will say that what Allah covers, He covers. What is pass is pass. I curb myself, by Allah, with friends whom Allah provides to be means of my not going astray.


@noetic15 (m): « #12 on: Today at 12:41:43 AM »  

mohammed did worse and more barbaric things

I am going to leave your silly comment alone, the same way I didnt respond to your Sutana dragging empty statement about what gods did for you this year! I knw you are just a rabble rouser.  


@yeswecan: « #13 on: Today at 12:51:16 AM »  

This annoys me. Islam is disgusting

Muslims may did gust you, but Islam cant disgust a person with sense of the presence of the Creator. God forgives, but also punishes, the reason we have Paradise and hell respectively.

@Firebrand: « #396 on: Today at 02:08:36 PM »

It is unfortunate that these fanatics that claims to know God more than others would go to the extent of looking for loopholes in other peoples religion so as to glorify & justify their own religion & stance on same. One of the evidence of inferiority complex is to be much concern about a perceived opponent & feel threatened most of the time. This comparasm was based on religious ego, but thank God reasons has prevailed!

Truly, viao has proved beyond every reasonable doubt that the earth described in the bible is not flat, and even gone further to make nonsense of quranic verses to the dismay of the self acclaimed arabic scholar.

`AND THOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE`

Show me where Viaro accomplished the bolded. I didnt see either and I ask you and Viaro to show me, for my own edifice! Empty statement must be at least challenged for its emptiness, so there!

@Kola Oloye: « #389 on: December 13, 2009, 04:15 PM »

Quote from: uplawal on December 13, 2009, 02:38 PM
@Olabowale, ALLAH bless you Alhaji,right now am listeninig to Alhaji Sheikh Ganiyu Aboto and Buhari ibn Musa on youtube,Naija ISLAM is sweet like honey,am so greatful to GOD am a muslim,he indeed loves me cos he opened my eyes to see his wonders

As a good Muslim can you tell me 5 advantages of Sharia law?

Advantages over whatever you may have in the Bible: 1). It keeps me grounded, deferring to the Will and Commandments of God, whereby I am not doing things out of my own desire, unlike you who can move the goal post as it pleases you.

2). My order is to not commit adultery as a man, with the punishment of death by stoning looms, since I do have sexual outlet with my wife. And if am single, a 100 lashes and banishment for a year is an adequate punishment, since I can marry a woman instead of sexual impropriety.

3). Caution me from stealing especially when I can afford food to eat. If I cant the community has the obligation to help me.

4). Fair destributions of the estate of the deceased taking care of everyone, including settling of debt, and legacy. This is unlike allowing the government to decide, whereby the family members maybe unhappy.

5). Parents are the responsibilities of the children and never to severe ties from them, unlike you disbelievers who can just divorce your parents and dont care to look back, forgetting that you were nothing without them by the Mercy and Kindness of Allah making them your custodians!

Book 38, Number 4388:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

AbuZubyan said: A woman who had committed adultery was brought to Umar. He gave orders that she should be stoned.

Ali passed by just then. He seized her and let her go. Umar was informed of it. He said: Ask Ali to come to me. Ali came to him and said: Commander of the Faithful, you know that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: There are three (people) whose actions are not recorded: A boy till he reaches puberty, a sleeper till he awakes, a lunatic till he is restored to reason. This is an idiot (mad) woman belonging to the family of so and so. Someone might have done this action with her when she suffered the fit of lunacy.

Umar said: I do not know. Ali said: I do not know.

Book 38, Number 4406:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:

Muhammad ibn Ishaq said: I mentioned the story of Ma'iz ibn Malik to Asim ibn Umar ibn Qatadah. He said to me: Hasan ibn Muhammad ibn Ali ibn AbuTalib said to me: Some men of the tribe of Aslam whom I do not blame and whom you like have transmitted to me the saying of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him): Why did you not leave him alone?

He said: But I did not understand this tradition. So I went to Jabir ibn Abdullah and said (to him): Some men of the tribe of Aslam narrate that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said when they mentioned to him the anxiety of Ma'iz when the stones hurt him: "Why did you not leave him alone?' But I do not know this tradition.

He said: My cousin, I know this tradition more than the people. I was one of those who had stoned the man. When we came out with him, stoned him and he felt the effect of the stones, he cried: O people! return me to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). My people killed me and deceived me; they told me that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) would not kill me. We did not keep away from him till we killed him. When we returned to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) we informed him of it.

He said: Why did you not leave him alone and bring him to me? and he said this so that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) might ascertain it from him. But he did not say this to abandon the prescribed punishment. He said: I then understood the intent of the tradition.

@Aloy~Emeka and co: Book 38, Number 4405:
Narrated Nu'aym ibn Huzzal: I want you to pay attention to the bolded that though the people adultery should be punished according to Allah's Order in the Sunnah of the Prophet (AS), there should not be partial burying of him/her so that he cant run or move. If he yells as to denounce his own confession, he should be left alone from there for Allah for the Decision in the Day of Judgement.

Yazid ibn Nu'aym ibn Huzzal, on his father's authority said: Ma'iz ibn Malik was an orphan under the protection of my father. He had illegal sexual intercourse with a slave-girl belonging to a clan. My father said to him: Go to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and inform him of what you have done, for he may perhaps ask Allah for your forgiveness. His purpose in that was simply a hope that it might be a way of escape for him.

So he went to him and said: Apostle of Allah! I have committed fornication, so inflict on me the punishment ordained by Allah. He (the Prophet) turned away from him, so he came back and said: Apostle of Allah! I have committed fornication, so inflict on me the punishment ordained by Allah. He (again) turned away from him, so he came back and said: Apostle of Allah! I have committed fornication, so inflict on me the punishment ordained by Allah.

When he uttered it four times, the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: You have said it four times. With whom did you commit it?

He replied: With so and so. He asked: Did you lie down with her? He replied: Yes. He asked: Had your skin been in contact with hers? He replied. Yes. He asked: Did you have intercourse with her? He said: Yes. So he (the Prophet) gave orders that he should be stoned to death. He was then taken out to the Harrah, and while he was being stoned he felt the effect of the stones and could not bear it and fled. But Abdullah ibn Unays encountered him when those who had been stoning him could not catch up with him. He threw the bone of a camel's foreleg at him, which hit him and killed him. They then went to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and reported it to him.

He said: Why did you not leave him alone. Perhaps he might have repented and been forgiven by Allah.

@Usisky:

When the Prophet married Aisha, she was 6 years old, and the marriage was consummated when she was 9 (and he was 54) (Bukhari, Book of Nikah 3:75).

Bukhari was a compiler of Ahadith. Ahadith is the saying of the prophet or what was said in his presence and he did not object to. Anything outside this, it can not be ahadith.

Now Usisky; did the 6 and 9 years came from Muhammad (AS) or said in his presence and he did not correct it?

If that is not the case, then it is not an ahadith, so there is something wrong.

@Usisky:

you do not realise that the reason the muslims have deserted the quran and are holding on to man-made conjectures is because of the arabs. they are the ones who are responsible for the falsly attributed traditions to the prophet. infact, listen to the Qur'an and hear what it has got to say on your case.

While all arabs are not muslims, majority of them are. i wonder where you come up with your man-made conjecture? Tradition which is ahadith and or Sunna, neither is arabic base, different in every way from what the arab tradition is. Sunna was practiced by the community as the prophet (AS) acted it, they imitated him. Hadith was written down, by many during the lifetime of the prophet. Hadith is explanation of Quran, and Abu Huraira (RA), shadowed Muhammad (AS) writing every thing down. If you hate arbs, and even Islam, you should not lie.

firstly, God says on the day of judgment the messenger will say the muslims have abandoned the quran. which is exactly what has happened.

Liar. Did Abu Bakr (RA) abandone Quran? The statement of abandoning Quran is made to reference those who say they are muslims, but do just the opposite. Example, the Nigerian Sheikh who started ChrIslam. Not those who are trying to be companions of the Quran. These are many, a significant portion of the muslims.

[25:30] The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."

Not all Muslims. Allah says that all bowed, except Iblis, he was one of the disbelievers. But as we read, we realise that Iblis was not an angel but a Jinn who was in the group of Angels. This therefore should explain that the "my people" in that above verse does not mean all the people, because none of the sahabah, the Tabibin and the tabi tabihin abandoned Quran!

God then goes on to tell us that if there are those who are likely to ignore the law of God(Qur'an), it will be no other than the arabs.

Not all Arabs, duuh. The whole of Quran was revealed on the community of Muslim first in Makka, and then later Madina! Most of them were Arabs. Men and women of the community were the first to bankroll Islam; Khadijah, Abu Bakr (RA) wer classical examples.

[9:97] The Arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy, and the most likely to ignore the laws that GOD has revealed to His messenger. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

And immediately say from among them you have those who are great in belief! Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, just to name a few. When you hate, do it in moderation. When you lie, make it wit reason, not overt lie that will come to bite you in the behind!

the arabs have succeeded in deluding the majority of the muslims into accepting things which has no basis in the Qur'an or islam.

Islam is beyond arabs, even in the lifetime of the prophet (AS), so your statement is completely wrong!

@Realtol: « #9 on: Today at 06:06:13 AM »

Olabowole i don't want to blv u r sick but u made me to, u said islam is reality and u still said it afford you telling lie, I'm now at peace since u said your islam make u to shut your eyes to reality(like all the example u gave).

I am sure that if you knw a woman who is over weight and hates how she looks, you ask her husband if he will dare to say to her "youre a big fat cow" even if she asked if she is too big. The fact that the man was smart enough to lie to her keeps the family happy, because an unhappy mother makes the whole family sad.

I know b4 i asked u to tell us the stand of islam on lie, you jackass, that islam is all BIG LIE and aljana is just fantasy for u and allah a mirage but hell is waiting for you.

Olorun yo e pee mi o si ni 9ja. Koboko ni nba ko ba e lori, loju awon agba ile e. Not because of you calling me Jackass, but because you deserve to be treated like abeti aja, a simple explanation flies over your head! Have you seen a man who says his wife is an ugly woman, before when everyone knows that she is a handsome woman? The saying "alagbara lomo oloke ile loju iya e" comes to mind/ Jesus your god did not tell the truth when he was asked "are you the king of the Jews?" His response is not better than that of the man who lied to his wife about her being overweight! Jesus said those who rule by sword will die by sword, when he just told them to buy sword? You know why he did tell them what purposed the swords wre for? It is because he had to hide the truth, which would have brought in a certain peril on him and this unprepared disciple/army who were low in faith!

Muhamodu sit down in the flock of sheep

Jesus was a shephard, too. Dumb way for you to argue since you are the one dragging Jesus into these weak positions.

and propaganda islam isn't that enough evidence that quran/islam is just MO brain?

Same applies to Jesus and Christianity, even if he was the founder. He was not the founder, I know!

All unrighteousness(deciet which is known as lie inclusive) is a sin. U hv been telling us lie here since but thank God your secret is no more a secret! Muslim went to mecca recently to stone satan, for telling lies thousands of years ago but they lie everyday and still fail to stone themselves. Hmn bunch hypocrite!

Apply the same to Biblical Jesus vis a vis what the Jews of the world in their Jewish religion say. You will be forced to say the same thing about stoning. I can give you the many lies of Jesus in the Bible and I wonder if you ever think? Well, you are young, still a chance to begin to think.

@No2Atheism: « #206 on: Yesterday at 03:46:38 PM »

Allah the fake god served by mohammed's father. Pagan served Him, the same way Christians serve the Creator, along and through gods; Jesus, Ghost (lol).

Allah the fake god served by mohammed himself. Muhammad (AS) did not serve Allah like his father. I dont serve Allah like his father, but like him. You serve Creator not like Jesus or his disciples, but like Saul, and the other fakers even on Nairaland.

Allah the fake god with 3 daughters mentioned by mohammed, who was then forced to re-brand and cover up about the issue. All the Kufars are stuck in the gear of "daughters" for Allah. I am still asking people to tell me from the Quran, where can I find this idea, which they say "was then forced to re-brand and cover up"! Can anyone help me, and I wanna know how you figure this out since I am a muslim from at least many generations, and no earlier generations knew this. But we are learning it from you darn Kufar of today, a people who cant even come out of the bathroom sweaky clean, after doing the water thing or the solid thing. darn dirty filthy pigs since you are what you eat. You eat pig dont you?

Allah the fake god that keeps changing his mind. Show me a single change of mind. I will show you many mind changes in the Bible, between OT and NT, and even within NT! YOu are in for a shock, InshaAllah.

Allah the fake god that cannot fight for himself and hence makes muslims fight and die for him. This is better than your god who will not fight for you and you will not fight for him. Show me where he fought for you and I will show you many verses of the Quran where Allah Alone defeated the enemies of Islam. I will show you only by His Mercy that you are still here. None of your three gods can do anything to me, since I am in the protection of Allah.

Allah the fake god that makes "Blacks" bad and "Arabs" good. . . even though Arabs were illiterates that steal other people's land, knowledge and culture. This is the post that takes the cake of your dejected mind, showing your greatness in ignorance. You are almost as terrible as Shaitan himself (laana), except that you are a human being, am assuming. Bad or Good in Islam is not based on skin color, except by degree of God connsciousness. Every group of christians who have used the Bible to discriminate, they have done so against blacks (KKK in America, The Arian Nation, Nazi, Skin Heads, etc. how me a verse in the Quran that a person of good conscience can use to oppress black people. Sayiddina Bilah Ibn Rabah (RA) is beloved to all muslims, and it was islam that secured his freedom and elevated him to a high position, whose footprint, heel was seen in Paradise in Isra wa Miraj, while he was still alive.

Allah the fake god that cannot give muslims salvation. No muslim seek mercy, forgiveness, oh salvation except from Allah.

Allah the fake god that gives muslims sex and wine as part of paradise. This guy crawls from Night club and house party, again, getting into any skirt or tail who of female is going to open the fawcett. He doesnt stop when he gets married and he cant get enough of black woman, and am sure for good measure, white english girls with their bad teeth. They need miswak. By the way we do not drink wine, and it is not compulsory in Paradise, except that it will not be a forbidden thing. But you even drink like a bumble bee and get drunk like a skunk. No, mr. Nigeria with your pint of guiness and Shayo in Nigeria? Sun Ade said "Ma muti Laye nbi", and he said "Bintu dimale o, oti lo wun o muti mo o!"

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vanity you are a fool. my reason is that where did you leave common sense?If not that u are an slowpoke you will know that, that sort of thing can cause a religious riot.

That's because you fools are highly volatile, violent and intolerant demons. If muslims did a convention on christmas day no one would be afraid of a "religious riot". In my opinion i think you are being highly deceptive by refering to it as a "religious riot" when in reality it is a muslim riot.

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Quote from: wahabian on November 28, 2009, 02:07 PM
On the day of eid el kabir (ileya) ,some christian came to our open field in my area at night for some kind of crusade on a day surposed to be an islamic holiday. Even if u dont like muslims there can still be some use of common sense to avoid riot or something worse.

If you had any common sense . . . you'd realise that ileya is an islamic holiday to MUSLIMS ONLY! It is of no significance to the rest of us and we are thus entitled to hold a crusade wherever is allowed by law. We refuse to be held hostage to those who want to impose islam on the rest of us. If you wish to NOT have christians hold crusades on open fields then i suggest you relocate to Saudi Arabia. They have oil there too.

As you go about generalising in the first bold, you forgot that the worst kind of people are the people who say that there is turning the other cheek, yet ready for pre emptive strikes, always. By the way Jesus was born in Spring time, while you falsely celebrate what he himself did not celebrate in the wrong season. I guess you are truly a follower? Not!

the second bold shows how intolerant you are. Do you not avoid a confrontation if you must in order to have peace, and harmony even with your enemy who is your neighbor? Just because the law is not against it, do you eat rotten meat that smells, ugly and can make you sick, even kill you? This is very similar to what you think is unimportant in respecting other people's emotional space! Was that street the only street or that day the only day to crusade? Darn christians, while I tolerate my christian associates, not calling them on Sundays, unless they call me, including the sabbath observers among them, they do encrouch me with their Christmas greetings, while I did not extend the Id greetings because I do not want to offend them. I think you need to not let your hatred eat you up so much!

@Igbo boy: « #139 on: December 11, 2009, 12:49 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on December 10, 2009, 01:47 PM
@Igbo boy: « #137 on: Today at 01:07:47 PM » Why do you curse a person who has not offended you? Or Muhammad (as) offended you and please tell us when, where, how and why? If a person were to curse those whom you love (say parents) you will be a bad son not to be even angry about it. No? If anyone curse Jesus, will you not be angry about it, at least? This is your God and you have the right to protect his integrity. No? Especially, when there is open lie against him, maigning his character.

No one worships Muhammad (AS). I know I will never worship him. I am worshipping the same Lord that he worshipped, in the same way he worshipped that Creator! Now, as to your hypothesis of troubles being formented all over the world, I say that the same White you are claiming that I can deceive brought Christianity to Nigeria, in deceit; On one hand a Bible, and the other a strive, gun, death, slavery, oppression, etc! The KKK of America use the Bible to oppress blacks. There was a white guy that appeared on NL this past week; he called himself NiggarHtr. He is obviously a Christian since he says "you muslim terrorists". He is obviously a Nigerian hater since he says "Nigerian scums." He is a black skin hater "since he said making the world a better place, one niggar at a time (and we see a picture of this buffoon with the biggest assult weapon/gun)". Even your Christian people do not restrict themselves when they do evil, they break all rules.

Man, go sidon.


Typical muslim, when I tell them about what mohammed did or what is actually in the quaran, they start telling me white man KKK, white man did slavery and bla bla bla,

If you want to debate then base your arguments on what the bible said and not what man did, now tell me if the quran didnt say and eye for an eye? if the quran did not promote apostacy? If mohammed was not infact rejected initially in mecca and then came back and slaughtered the people?

My guy SHARAP there, stop arguing blindly

If I argue with what are in the Quran and also what are in the Bible, will you then agree, and stop acting as if you have been stung? Now agree and give me your Questions, sorry Argument one at a time and I will only deal with whats in the pages of te Books.

By the way, you sir already kill Trinity by your statement. Remember we cant find Trinity in the pages of the Bible, and when it appears in the Quran, Allah rebuke such a blasphamously erronous statement of the Christian! Let the truth me told.

lol. am not always on the line.

@Realtol: « #6 on: Today at 07:52:18 AM »

Copy and paste! Now break it down.

sunna ya to si sharia. lie comes from the heart, the flesh that is most important in the body.

iro sunna prevents heartache, as in a man saying to his wife when asked by the wife if she is fat or thin. if he says she is fat, the other answer which is the truth, instead of iro sunna would have made even lagos in late august be cold as ice.

it prevents headache in dealing with two friends who are not talking, fast becoming mortal enemies when you do not choose one over the other, except that you tell the other that the one feels bad, misses the friendship and by this end the rift. havent you seen how lovers are brought together by their children who lied their way in to bring the fight to an end?

it prevents bloodshed, lost of lives, collateral damage and war, on both sides, especially in islam, in what is known as propaganda of war, when iro sunna gets the enemy to surrender because of the thoght of overwhelming odd of not winning. america still uses that method in war. every nation engage in iro sunna to prevent loss of lives of their military personnels and usage of resources.

ro nkon ti mo so fun e, daadaa ko to fun mi lesi.

Ara iwo omode yi o ya. The same thing that I gave you that you were blind to as a bat, in my first pot explained it before you you you (lol) forced me to give examples from disbelievers like you, even the whole of the Allied forces against Germany! Ko ton ndi e?


@mazaje: « #7 on: Today at 04:06:48 PM »

Islam says it is ok to tell a lie as long as it will further the interest of Islam. . . lying to each other in relationships(sweet lies) is also allowed. . .The fact is Islam as a whole is a big LIE. . .

You Mazaje has been taken for a ride by the cold and frigid weather of Finnland. You may just as well forget 9ja for real (lol). All your ideas are ideas of people who are foreign culture happy, ignoring the reality of life! Let me ask you, if your finnish woman happens to have a bad hair day, and some girls already made her feel terrible and she was in a rotten mood, when you saw her. Will you say "yes" Mr. Honesty, when she asked if her hair is matted as if she is an unkept dog, or some filthy woman? They say hell has no fury like a woman scorned, you may have to sleep on a couch if you say yes!

Islam, is a reality, time and condition appropriate when it comes to the condition of life, as long as it is a natural inclination of man. I give an example; a friend of mine who had grayed was marrying a 30 year old woman. But to meet her family, the woman asked him to color his beard black. As he asked me, I encouraged him to do so, since the future wife is the one who suggested it, knowing fully what he was and realised that she will only be able to get the intended cooperations from her family if the hair is dark! I said go for it. There is something called wisdom, and a wise decision may look like a lie to you, but the heart of everyone involved is at peace!

@JeSoul: « #69 on: Today at 09:48:08 PM »  

Tensor, you speak well brotha. If all you're advocating is modesty, then you have a fan in me.

Surely you're not saying all make-up and finger-painting is wrong are you?

Could you show proof(s) from your Bible?

Modesty, in this case could be advanced to the moderation drinking but not getting drunk, or stealing but not big things, sexual indulgences (this reminds me of the sales of indulgence and before it, there was nothing called Protestants) as long its not every day?

I wanna pull your leg alittle. Amusing myself at the same time that I hope you will see the weakness in the Mosesty.

The Question is: Born Again Christian Women Wearing Make-up, Is It Biblical? Responding to me with a thsis amounting to grandstanding will toe tapping around the issue is nonsensical. Hommie dont like that.

^^^ I think the people who segregate and say "born-again", "not born again" among Christians are deceiving themselves. A so-called "Christian" is someone that is, so to speak, "born-again", born from above into God's family.

The only thing that make sense here is that among the Christians, there are at least two camps; the born again and the obvious super deviants, the yet to be born again!

Please note that CHRISTIAN is a slang. It's the name that people in the early centuries A.D. called Believers of Salvation through Christ, it was a derogative slang, an insult, it was used to describe them as "little Christs". BORN AGAIN is also a kind of slang, by way of speaking, because Jesus was trying to physically explain a complex spiritual truth about salvation of the human spirit, to Nicodemus. So he was telling him that he had to be "born again" like after his body had been birthed, his spirit had to be born from above as well. As I always say, whenever you attribute an analogy to explain a spiritual truth, some of the meaning is sacrificed.

The bolded title "Christian" if its a slang, it has found its way into the Bible. However is this word the truth, or not, though it is a slang? Now we see that if a person denies it to be true because it is a slang, we may ask how many things are true that are in the Bible? Then we may therefore say that what is not in the Christian Bible is not true, or are they, knocking whats in the Bible as untrue? I present an abbatross; Trinity, and we should note that it is not in the Bible!

So, what does the Bible call us, and how does God refer to us? Only two things: "Believer" and "Sons of God". Not Christians. Not Born-again Christians. The same way Barack Obama will not refer to Black Americans as niggers. It's just a slang, and people are crushing their heads over it?

If in the Bible, it is true the Christian proves to us, or lies?! But what about the things not in the Bible; Trinity and the claims that the prophet of God, Mose believed in Trinity, otherwise there were two sets of Gods; One God for the Jews of Moses  and 3 gods of the Jesus era or post Jesus era?

1Jn 3:1  SEE WHAT [an incredible] quality of love the Father has given (shown, bestowed on) us, that we should [be permitted to] be named and called and counted the children of God! And so we are! The reason that the world does not know (recognize, acknowledge) us is that it does not know (recognize, acknowledge) Him.

World in this case was just middle east. Obviously the whole world extend beyond that. And being permitted does not mean you were in the true sense of it, the only reason you received PERMISSION!

and other references:
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Joh 1:12  But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name--[Isa. 56:5.]

It Isaac had said this, are the Jews who are not Christians and never believed in Jesus also children of God, where by if the Children of God is limited to the Christians, are these Jews Christians, too? The other thing is that John saying the same thing if it was said by Jesus, then God Himself is not important as Jesus is? I submit that Jesus was not the speaker of the John Verse, and Isaac was not talking about Jesus, because he would nullify his own religion, and people, even the one who saved them, Moses!

Rom 8:14  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:19  For [even the whole] creation (all nature) waits expectantly and longs earnestly for God's sons to be made known [waits for the revealing, the disclosing of their sonship].
Php 2:15  That you may show yourselves to be blameless and guileless, innocent and uncontaminated, children of God without blemish (faultless, unrebukable) in the midst of a crooked and wicked generation [spiritually perverted and perverse], among whom you are seen as bright lights (stars or beacons shining out clearly) in the [dark] world,
1Jn 3:2  Beloved, we are [even here and] now God's children; it is not yet disclosed (made clear) what we shall be [hereafter], but we know that when He comes and is manifested, we shall [as God's children] resemble and be like Him, for we shall see Him just as He [really] is.

Apart from the fact that the whole set of verses amount to personal selfish desires by the writers, the bolded proves my point that the statement was not coming from Jesus, and in addition, it does not make any sense, except that it is a fool's gold syndrome.

So, it is unfortunate that in the world's social system, e.g. school registration, when you fill out a form, "Christian", that insultive slang coined by Jews and Romans in the early 1st century, is what is on the form but when I have to, I fill it out.
As always, I buttress that with an analogy: It's like a primary school student who is a child prodigy and knows advanced calculus and mechanics. When the teacher condescendingly gives him graph-paper and he's meant to solve a math problem, he will be forced to solve it at the level at which he physically is: nursery school. He cannot employ derivatives to find the tangents and solve the mathematical problem because that is the system he is in. Because I answer to "Christian" does not mean that Christian is my real name. It is out of respect for world social systems.

Such a prodigy will not be kept in Primary School, but sent to University classrooms.

As Jesus said,
Mat 22:21  They said, Caesar's. Then He said to them, Pay therefore to Caesar the things that are due to Caesar, and pay to God the things that are due to God.

I wonder what the relevance of this verse is, in this argument and or the topic?

I will ignore the dirty dragging sutana wearer and his antics.

@Chukwudi44: « #8 on: Yesterday at 02:36:42 PM »  

@olabowale
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Before the bolded, there was Human history, religious History. From definition and analysis of Islam; we see that those who seek the Mercy of Allah, like Adam (AS) were muslims, not Jews not Christians.
We also see that those who obey Allah like Jesus (AS) were muslims, instead of Jew, thugh they may be ethnic Jew/Children of Israil, but not Christians. We see those who fought in the way of Allah like Moses were Muslims

could you please adduce any other evidence other than your 7th century CE plagiarised koran to prove that Islam existed before Mohamed.

If I show you from the remnant of truth still in the Bible that Islam was the religion of all prophets, including mine truly Jesus bin Mary, what will you do to satisfy by quench, as in your becoming a Muslim? Give me your commitment, man and stand by it.

The fact remains that there was never a thing like Islam ,it was a fake and hybrid religion created by prophet Mohamed in the 7th century by plagiarising christian and jewish scripture and adding some arabic fairly tales to them.

What was the religion of the companion of Jesus when Jesus was leading them? Were they Christian or not before the same people were called Christians by the people of Antioch, who according to you knew who Jesus was, otherwise it would have been fool hearty to believe that they came up with the name, because the people were Christ like.

If their religion of the disciples was not Christianity during the time of Jesus, did they change religion now that Jesus was no more their leader, and what was the religion before them or they have no religion and you follow them according to you, will be assumed to have no religion then, even though you copied Judaism, clearly a religion, to come up with Christianity?

Were the disciples Christians or not, and did they change religion before they died? When you analyse this above you will know that if Christ like was existing during the time of Jesus, then Islam like was existing long time before Muhammad (AS), even before Ibrahim. There is a reason that the people of Noah were perished in the flood, and it is not because they were not Jews or Christians, but because they disobey Allah by not follwoing prophet Noah (AS). They made jest of his telling them of their future peril in the flood when he was building the boat.

In Surah Kahf, Allah says in verse 106 that the disbelievers will be punished in Hell for making Jest of His signs (Instructions and the Prophet who conveyed the Message).

Nezan probably is a yeller or screamer! He makes no sense, very emotional guy. Thats my analysis of you.

Now then, tell me where Allah (i dont know your allah, that you have insatiable obsession with) says in the Quran that He has any children. Surah Iklas (Chapter 112) addresses your eceit! If you can get that into your system, then tough. I cant help you, man!

Your case is even worse than a woman who addressed me as a homosexual, or a person who says that I am father of daughters. Neither is try, and though not ever plausible but is even easy in the eyes to the Impossible lies you tell on your Lord! Darn you, nezan.

@Realtol: « #28 on: Yesterday at 05:04:41 PM »

Olabowale why are comparing spiritual leader who claimed to recieve koran to celebrity are those people anobi too? But if your answer is becos anobi is creation as u & i then u must not following him again this boy muhamodu is a rogue marry 6 year old girl primary three student who haven't know her right from left. And latter marry an old wealthy lady(muhamodu is a jigolo) is that a style or to con us to blv that is supernatural? Answer my question why did GOD CREATED 1 HAWWAH FOR ADAM AND NOT 4 HAWWAHS? Answer i'm waiting,

If I were your parents, you probably will hear me severing all ties with you. I will withdraw being your father, for many reasons; a man older than your great grandfather to the 30th generation, you call boy! Dont you have any home training?

Now that I have let off steam I will charge your stupidity to your head, not your heart, hence I am determined to address your confusion;
Everyone is a human being. Any one with any sense of morality even at the time that Jesus killed the figtree and or drowned the pigs will wonder if any of them is morally sound? How about asking somebody not to call anyone a fool because such a statement will lead to hell fire, but then immediately after that turn around and use the very word against someone!

At anytime in human history, people who are matured enough to marry are urged to do so. Jesus in his entire life never married. So was John, his cousin. Was it a fad?

With the above, I remember a time that to begin primary school, your arm passing over your head must be able to touch your ear on the other side. Is this a measure of age? In a generic sense yes, but it is not always correct because of many factors; people from family who are stringy with long limbs will probably fair alot better than those whose arms are short and generally from short bloodlines? Aisha was not 6 years old. Far older than that. But that is beside the issue here.

This afternoon in New York City, I was watching a cable TV Channnel known as Lifetime Movie Network, in its Chrismas Trilogy movie, this Sunday, Tom Selleck of Magnum P. I old time TV series starred in the movie in the 3.00pm slut. What he said in response to his daughters defense of a 17 year old girl pregnant, was that in the past people used to be married quite young say 10 years old, because the average life expectancy then was 18! Please put on your thinking cap since you can research about Tom SellecK and his work and you can also research how young was the marriage age say 1400 years ago? Prophet are supposed to live a life of people, humans, in their time and for the future: Today in America we see people getting married quite young.

« #29 on: Yesterday at 05:32:28 PM »
U said some ppl in niger republic allow their wife to sleep with their brother (which is part of their culture) pls u make no sense too me coz we r not talking about culture but islam in general, or shud w blv culture supersede your islam. u said muhamodu didn't advocate many wives i'm now asking you olabowale who are u following on that wise(multiwives issue) maybe your instinct.

If a cultural inuance is good, should we throw it out because it is specific to a people, so everything a religion brings about should always be new? Ridiculous because no one brough anything new! God has always been One before He created anything. Long time before "in the beginning." There are some cultures that eat more seafoods than say beef, because fish/seafood is common to them. I dont eat Hippo for example because my culture dont eat it. But some people in eat africa eat it! Do I say it is a bad thing, since am noyt from that culture or that it should be forbidden? That will be silly since what is abundant to them is that.

Finally, again, and you need to know that Abraham married more than Sarah. Jacob married more than the mother of Joeph. Are the noble men wrong since Adam had only Hawa? Now, as to my sexuality belief, my marriage belief is in accordance to Adam with one wife, Ibrahim with more than 1 wife. Jacob with more than 1 wife, too! So where are you confused?



@Kay 17: « #30 on: Yesterday at 07:06:21 PM »

@olabowale, you are a terrible person, how could permit you such nonsense? mohammed is a fcukin paedophile, could have given your 6 yr old daughter to such a monster?its that simple, life- sentence.

You need shoes thrown at you for being so ignorant! Furst thing I do with women in my life, my sisters, nieces, cousins, etc, I personally told them that they should not restrict themselves by narrowing their vista of possible husbands; I have a doctor cousin who never got married because of her almost no man is good enough. I encourage them to marry already man, if he is a kind possible suitor, not just testing the goods, but want the ownership, before fixing a plate. I encourage them to marry younger husband, not so wealthy. Not so wealthy since it is the wealth that is important here.

How is a man a pedophile with his wife? Do you have any sense, man/woman?

Trump had sense and decency Mohammed lacks, to marry someone at least mature. its not impossible for a woman to marry more a husband, at least some societies practice, why can't Islam permit it? Islam has made you all paedophiles!

I have never called anyone a village idiot before. I am forced here an now. Trump is a better moral person while Muhammad (AS) is not because he married wives, older, about his age and them younger, by the last you call him a pedophile? Then what do we say of Jesus who was a bachelor?

If you are not a christian, and you seem to me an Atheist, then how about your an atheist who says you are a chance of occurence? I think such a mind set that no Creator exist or knocks Him to nothing importance is the poorest mindset of all! It is worse than those who worship animals!

Grand-Moff-Gav
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What if your lie saves people's lives. For example: the lie that the allies told to trick the Germans into believing that the invasion of Normandy in WWII would happen further north.

Still sinful.

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inimalist
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Still sinful.

"they'll always tell you how much good you can do with dirty money"

- Daniel Berrigan

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Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Still sinful.

Would you like to be speaking German and not being allowed to be a Christian? That sin made your life possible.

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Grand-Moff-Gav
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Would you like to be speaking German and not being allowed to be a Christian? That sin made your life possible.

Still sinful.

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Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Still sinful.

WOW! you are calling good sinful. I'm glad I'm a Buddhist.

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Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
WOW! you are calling good sinful. I'm glad I'm a Buddhist.

I assume he also believes it's a considerably lesser sin than letting the Nazis win.

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Grand-Moff-Gav
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I assume he also believes it's a considerably lesser sin than letting the Nazis win.

Indeed, a lie is a sinful no matter what, however it is sometimes the lesser of two evils.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
WOW! you are calling good sinful. I'm glad I'm a Buddhist.
Why? Because being a Buddhist allows you to change your moral understanding of everything based on the drop of a hat, thus you have no real moral credibility,

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