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Wa laihi, I am not vex. I joke with Queenisha. She knows it, too.

It is the soul of Pilgrim. Not mine. I do not have the ability to
control anybody's destination.

My mother became a muslim. My wife became a muslim. Neither
I could impact, if Allah did not open the door of Islam for them.

And when the Hindu prayed to his god, just as the Christian prayed to her god, with the utmost convictions, God Almighty granted their prayeres so that they can continue to remain in their misguided ways. Is this so hard to understand?

@Queenisha: « #103 on: Today at 02:04:34 AM »  

Could you once again as many have asked ,respect yourself and start a thread on these your topics that have talked about a million times , anyone interested will join you.
You are hyperventilating in the wrong spot !
Your jihad of deflection is not working

lol. Now this madame suddenly remember that she needs to remind me to respect myself!
Watin. You scared that I am not allowing you to empty and invain back slap each others?

Wo, oh girl. Sorry thick madame or mommy, let me brst the bubbles. lol. Queenisha. Ewoo.

Good night!

What about me?

pilgrim dear,I cannot wait to read more  tomorrow
If you care can you tell us

1.what you learnt about eternal life and what you now know

2.Assurance of salvation as prior to your salvation and now

3.Your teachings about what Allah was to you and who God is to you now

4.Your former misconceptions about Christianity  especially on

-The trinity doctrine
-Bible translations vs One Koran penned by allah himself
-The doctrine that the Bible is corrupted
number 4 is especially important to me since it'll give more incite to the things I hear my Muslim friends say despite 1001 explanations given.
How did you get past that in your walk with the Lord.

I will take a tinnie winnie time out tomorrow to read about these. How she abandoned One proper God with a name for
many gods with only pronouns at best!

Some day, I will let Ada tell you her experience so far in Islam. And she wraps up.
She is arriving from China next month for a whole month with me in NYC.


@affee:

ola, I have have just one request- don't start any arguements here pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
there are so many other threads to go to if You want to raise up issues and topics that have already been treated answered.

Have you answered who worshipped who; Jesus or god the father? Have you answered if the Jews accept that their God is the same as, please chose one, Father, Jesus or ghost? You must be kidding me! Quennisha, tell your sister that she is kidding. And you know it, too.

@Davidylan: « #92 on: Today at 01:15:08 AM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:44:47 AM
May God Almighty steady your heart on the right path.


Is your own heart steady? Reading through the desperate posts from you and ayinba1, one can conclude your hearts are far from steady. Look at the email from Abdul, is that a response from a heart that is steady and sure he is on the right path?

By Allah, my heart is steady! You ask me a question, I give you a direct answer.
What I enjoy of the mercy of Allah, you would abandone Christendom, if you
have 10% of that type of favor!



@Queenisha:

Jn  14
6  Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8 Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?

There is no "father," so that statement of being the "way," is empty rhetorics!
I asked you before who was the spouse of the father. You never have the "gut,"
lol, to answer!

Is father, Jesus? If your answer is yes, please state it so clearly and further answer
my follow up question; did father also died as you reported that Jesus dies?

Queenisha, is Jesus also father? If he is, then tell me who was talking from heaven,
according to the Bible when Jesus being baptized (Jewish barmitva)?

Then my follow up question is this, did father also was eating for nourishments, when
Jesus was doing the eating? Was father using the toilet, too as Jesus was doing it?

You make me laugh. baby throw more of your arms in the air some more. Shout as
loud as you can. It will not change a thing about the Almighty.

By the way, Jesus did not know the time of the hour, the same way Muhammad,
Angel Gabreil and otherdid not know! ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY KNOWS IT! LOL.

@Pilgrim.1: « #83 on: Today at 12:35:38 AM »  

Thank you again. Jesus changed my life, I am grateful to God for that and continue to pray for others who are going through tough situations to find His love. If He healed my brother, He can do the same for others as well.

Jesus could not heal your brother. If Jesus could have done anything of his own, he would have prevented his own very humiliations and death, according to what is in the Bible, from the hands of the Jews who were bent on accursing his soul.

You know that in Yorubaland, there some medicine men who can do the exact same thing that you said Jesus did for yur brother.

Jesus has never in all these two thousand years prevented any of his believers from death. Look ar what happened the Rt. Rev. Jerry Fahwell in the summer of 07! he died right there in his office. Behind his desk. This is the same great proponent of Rapture!


May God Almighty steady your heart on the right path.

Interesting that the passies are all out in full force. Okare Pilgrim. lol.
And when you finally return to be a muslim, abandoning a god that
uses the bathroom and need to take shower and then worship another God,
these same cheering group; Queenisha, davidylan and co, lol, will be
the same people who will say that that Pilgrim is no good!

He wants you to see what He can do; because He said your dad called Him "LORD!"'

Just as more of a joke than anything else, I obliged to pray as a "Christian". . . the only problem was that I would never call Jesus "Lord", and I yet I did not know how to pray a Christian prayer. My boyfriend said Christian prayer was not a ritual; I could pray just as I would have a frank conversation with Jesus.

So, I closed my eyes and (although being sarcastic in my heart), I blurted out: "Jesus, please heal *Joe." I paused, not knowing what next to say. . . and I was about to stutter the subsequent sentence when Joe rolled off the couch and started slowly jumping up! He ran and hugged me and started shouting praises to

Part of the things that Antichrist (Masiah Dajjal) will do is perform miracles, ranging from healling of the sick and infirmed, to raising dead people back to life.

Are these miracles enough for a true believer to follow him? Only those who do have little or no faith will follow him with any of these fake miracles.

Where could human have resided if Adam and Eve did not take the suggestion of Iblis? Thats what you do Pilgrim.1, when you listened to the suggestion of your "boyfriend or whoever," who was your shayatin. No wonder you are suseptible. When you have boyfriend, how can there be a strong Iman in the heart that indulges in Zina?

But Allah is Oft-forgiven, Most Merciful. And when i wasdivorcing the mother of my children in 1989, I went to a church to see what they do in there. And i knew I hated it, even though part of me at that time wanted to safe my marriage.

@Pilgrim.1: « #39 on: Today at 10:14:25 PM »  

@Olabowale,

Let me explain something to you: this is not a debate on theological issues between Christianity and Islam. I never passed myself off as an expert on Islam at anytime on nairaland. Your point is noted; but you missed the fact that I stated clearly that I was driven by naivety at the time - but became the wiser to stop swallowing what the mullah have always told and started searching for answers myself. Thank you again, but please don't waste your time desperately seeking loopholes - it may do you more harm than good.

I did not say you claimed to be an expert. But to actually pass your story as the truth from God the Almighty Creator, about the true issue of true religion with God, will be less than honest.

An Onishongo person could just be as convinced as your "boyfriend," who told you that your dad will call Jesus god. I guess he did call Jesus god. Either case, it still does not change the fact that the Creator of Adam is One and it was not Jesus that created Adam!

I could tell Zainab, an Owerri princess, a UN Lawyer to tell you her own revertion to Islam. He mother, who is in Lagos is just about to revert to Islam. Oh, my mother Victoria, who is now Mariam used to be a Christian.

Babs 787 and his late father (ra), used to be Christians. All I know is that as a muslim then, you had a bad Iman. But who guarantees that you will not revert to islam before you die at old age?

@Rampagain: « #157 on: Today at 11:04:52 PM »

is this thread still on?

olabowale and his arguments that don't can't hold water

And you have not been able to present a Bible that will satisfy
Catholics, the Greek orthodox, Russian orthodox, Jehovah Witness,
others and oh, the Protestants.

Can you? Please try to disprove me. Lol.

@Queenisha: « #154 on: Today at 08:13:00 PM »  

Quote from: davidylan on Today at 07:55:27 PM
Queenisha you're wasting your time with olabowale, if you notice most people just gloss over the nonsense he has to say these days. He's not worth responding to. He just repeats the same thing like a broken record.


My dear the thing is pathetic.
He's the same guy that told us there is just one Koran.
One Koran only and that the million English and other language translations don't count.
Then when we pushed him to a wall and gave him evidence of other Korans he said this

Styles of writing are what we have in Qur'an; warsh, hafs, uthmani, etc. That is not like versions, which you have in the Bible; Douwy, KJV, etc, and then each has editions, revisons.


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Not surprising that the author of the article that you quoted from, to illustrate the 'slight variations,' as he said in the Qur'an will say what he said. I am a Yoruba man, and you will know that from my name. I learnt how read the Qur'an in Arabic in America. Thank God. This is the greatest achievement of my life. It has opened my heart to the religion that you are trying so hard to put down and drag it in the same damp filth that you have your own religion and its book.

Now I read Warsh, which is more associated to the Moroccans, and also read Hafs. All my Qur'ans are in Hafs, which is an easier reading for me, because I am very used to the character. But I learnt how to read Qur'an from what the Indian/Pakistani subcontinent is more associated with. Yet it is a different character from the other two, the Warsh and Hafs! But when you pick up warsi Qur'an, you know immediately the different letters, eg fa, qaf are differently written, and unlike the Hafs, fa and qaf. But they are pronounced the same way, in both and all the Qur'ans, with slight local or dialectic pronounciation or voice inflections.

How pathetic that he knew this all along and yet would ridicule the Bible for different translations which merely  for the most part means different English style and nothing more when the Koran has many versions too.[/quote]Queenisha! You are now being very deceitful. It is not beneath you, I remember now. You will employ all types of tactics to achieve an end. While, an imam may lead a prayer by reciting in Washi, or hafs, or Uthmani style of recitation, each letter and pronounciation will be exactly the same. You definitely can not say the same about the Bible!

It is not possible that the Pope will conduct a mass at St Peter Square, or at the Basilica by using King James Version of the Bible! Or will he ever? Or you, Queenisha, does your church even read from the Douwy Catholic Bible?

You see your Christian weakness, at play! lol.

@Davidylan: « #155 on: Today at 08:28:41 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 07:40:04 PM
@Davidylan: « #146 on: Today at 05:11:36 PM »
David, please stop. You know that the Bible is corrupt.

where is allah's copy? all this is hot air.

Do you have a Bible that the Christian has a consensus upon?

When you bring it forward, I will prove you wrong. InshaAllah,
then ! may show you some of the Suhuffs that you are not aware of.

Suhuffi Ibrahima wa Musa, for example! You should be shamed, hard!

Your empror has no robe on. lol. Am sure the catholics are going to be
when you present KJV (Version) as the "Bible!" Comot omo! lol.

@Pilgrim.1: It is true you did not know anything about Islam by your statement I am quoting below:

"Since you started praying for me, has you Jesus answered you? Don't you see that you're so **$(%** to be a Christian? Christianity does not work - as prophet Muhammad said!"

Quote this exact statement from Prophet Muhammad (AS).  You will notice that most
people act as experts, but they just inadequate knowledge, if at all they have any!

Surah Rum in the Qur'an was reveal in support of Rome Christian, the people who are
closer to the Makkan muslims, to indicate that victory will come when they will defeat
the Persia Idolators, he people who were closer to the pagan of Makka.

You will agree with me, if you don't know just say so, that Abu Bakr wagered with a leader
of the pagan Makkans about the inpending/future victory of the Romans.

What Islam says is that the People of the Books (Christians among them) if sincere, would
have recognized and followed Muhammad (AS), whom they have traces about him in their
book, regardless of its impurity.

The Jews also ignored Jesus when he came. The same exact way that Jews and christians ignored Muhammad!

His answer? It shocked me - and it happened in just that manner. This is what he said:

           "I know Jesus has answered me. He only asked me to be patient
            and to keep praying for you. He said the sign you will see is that
            your dad will call Me "Lord" with his lips. You will hear him say this,
            and you cannot stop him!"

And so it happened, after 911 of United States of America! Those people whose Iman were
so weak abandoned Islam. Is that so surprising? Is this the first time it will ever happen?

I remember that it is stated that some Makka muslims left Islam in the early days after Muhammad (AS)
declared that he had a Night Journey from Makka to Jerusalem, and continued to Heavens.


I live in America, too. I live in New York. And from my home, I used to see the would Trade Center complex.
And after the incidence, there are still people, white, black and others who are still reverting to Islam. And
not all of the blacks in America became muslim in jail. Right there, in Atlanta was Imam Jamil Alamin, who is
now in Jail. You see the difference in belief level.

Pilgrim, I lost a lot of businesses after 911. I also lost many nonmuslim friends. But in both cases, I believe
and trust Allah and i am not disappointed yet. I am invited to some of the biggest circle of people and
have been asked to participate in some of the most important business ventures on the planet.

And I am still standing. I have a full beard. Unfortunately, not as much as it used to be. But still a fist full.

@Davidylan: « #15 on: Today at 07:37:10 PM »  

May the Lord bless those who started this thread and you pilgrim.1.
I'm reading this with immense anticipation.
Our God is more than awesome . . . in Him only can a man face death with so much candour, hope and courage.

And the muslims say the same with MUCH GREATER CANDOUR, you get bent out of shape. You call them names. Hypocrite, you David. A big one at that.

Go sidon. Let me enjoy Pilgrim.1 story in pleasantries. Then afterward, I will nail it to the cross. It will be finished!

@Jesoul: lol. Pilgrim.1 is still young. I will give her another 20 years. Tops or sooner.

Babs787 used to be a die hard Christian. Today he is a good musim.


My dear Pilgrim.1, continue with your story. Remember that Allah says in the
Qur'an that those who left islam, and then the came back, and then the left
it again, and then the came back, again,

It is not unusual to be anything before you are 40 years old. Even when you are over
40, the accepted age of wisdom, you can abandone islam and yet, if you have any
good in your heart, as even as small as a grain of mustard, Allah has the power to
direct your life back to Light upon light (Surah Nur), away from the temporary
darkness you plunge yourself in, right this minute.

All repentances are acceptable, until the repentance at death. The type that Fir'awn
was making at the time he was drowning.

I am confident that you will find your way back out of darkness. Just become the big
engineer first.

@Davidylan: « #146 on: Today at 05:11:36 PM »
[Quote]
which is it? the bible is corrupt or not?

You can't say the bible is corrupt and then proceed to use the corrupt bible to prove Jesus said . . .

By the way where is allah's own copy?[/quote]David, please stop. You know that the Bible is corrupt. The first instance is that the Christians
not have a single Bible that stands or acceptable to every sect. Secondly you always have revisions,
editions, versions (what i used in High School is different from what was given to people 2 years
after me). Interestingly, a careful inspection of the Bible text will reveal that not every one is from
the Inspiration of God!

But when something is corrupt, it does not mean that it has no single truth in it. It simply means it
is not 100% pure.

Take for instance, a person who went through a removal of part of his intestine is still a human being.
But this same person is not as complete as his former self, before a part of him was removed in the operation.

Another example, is a person who used to have ten fingers. If two of them were removed, he will still be
a human being. But he surely knows that he is not as normal as he used to be when he had 10 fingers.

Your Bibles that you have now is like the persons who have parts of him removed. We know it because Allah
tell us. Then when we investigate we see many verses disagreeing and then the writing of other peoples.


Yet the Bible claims that God is not the Author of confusion!

@Queenisha: « #143 on: Today at 03:53:23 PM »

bia don't twist the topic.
I know taquiyah when I see it.
where were you when nimshi was being pummeled last night.
monday morning quarterback

I have to fall asleep. Remember?
But you have'nt sent my thick Egusi stew with a lot Ewu, yet.

But Nimshi asked many questions that you guys couldn't answer.
He was leading you to a point where you have to admit God and Jesus
are two entities. That was my reason for asking the question I asked above.

Nimshi is a smart person. He knows how to lead people to where he wants them.
What you guys were doing was that you were taking advantage of him, based
on your share number against him alone. But you refused to answer his questions.

How is that Jesus never claimed he is God directly? Jesus could haveeasily said
look people am the father. That will be direct. It is not direct when he said I and
the father are one. This could mean that I am the mouth piece for God here, since
He sent me. Or I am the one who knows Him closest among you, since I am His
Messenger. You see the differences?

@lite-n-cee: #39 on: Yesterday at 01:01:05 PM »

It's unfortunate that even christians have been decieved into using the name of Allah to sing in churches, thinking it is hausa or arabic name of God. Know that Mohamed's father was named Abdallah, meaning servant of Allah, b/4 Mohamed was born. so Mohamed did not bring any new truth about God, or recieve any thing from the same God that sent Jesus to make the one for all sacrifice for our sins. And He (Jesus) declared that "IT IS FINISHED" on the cross. GOD IS NOT A CONFUSIONIST , and The Holy Spirit does not live on any mountian, or on the Sun (one of the many billion stars in the universe). For those who care to know, there were 360 different demon gods occupying the Kabba shrine,b/4 Mohamed removed them, exalting only one of them which his father served, and whose priesthood he has inherited- Allah. get it ?

Whatever tribe you belong to, please tell me if they recognised that there is God before Christianity came to it? While they practicing African religion, long time before Christianity, did they change the name of God Almighty, from what they used to call Him, now that you are a Christian?

In Yorubaland, they used to call God Almighty Oluwa, Olorun, Eledumare, Adaye, Adorun, etc. If a Yoruba person, Christian or Muslim is talkinng to another Yoruba person about Almighty God, it is very likely that you will hear the name of God from the list above.

Just because Arabs before the Islam of Muhammad (AS) knew God Almighty as Allah, it does not mean it is a name from any of the 360 idols in Kaaba at that time. Just like Onishongo of Yorubaland believes that Almighty God exists, yet they go to Him through Shongo, which makes him an idolator. The Arabs were the same before Islam of Muhammad (AS).

They used to go to Allah the Almighty, whom they acknowledge as the Almighty, but they do this through the 360 idols! Make your research. There is ino dol in Kaaba named Allah!

The Arabs before Islam did the same thing as the Onishongos are still doing today, going to God through Shongo. Or they call Shongo god itself. Unfortunately, the Christians are still doing the same thing, as the onishogo are doing, even now! You go to the "father," through the "son," don't you? And you even believe that Jesus is god, just like Onishongo belives that Shongo is god!


And when Jesus said that it is finished on the cross, maybe he was talking about himself. You are insinuating unnecessarily. You don't have a proof what Jesus meant by it is finished. Finally God is not the Author of confusion. It is clear then that when we have so much confusion in the bible, it will be foolish to state that God is the Author of it!



[affee] :« #40 on: Yesterday at 08:40:30 PM »
I have always known the true origin of the name of name ''allah''
and I don't use allah when I sing christian hausa songs
[quote][/quote]Affee is a proof that Islam does not belong to any tribe in Nigeria. Infact not any tribe in the world. Islam is an invidual thing.

@Nimshi: « #32 on: Yesterday at 10:12:51 PM »

First off; would you then agree that you went foul of historical facts when you said at the beginning that there is no Mut'a in Islam? Think about this carefully. Then the same question follows from the above: Did the holy Prophet (PBUH) allow Zina? Think carefully about this question. If you're able to articulate your thoughts, allowing knowledge and the practices of the faith by faithfuls all over the face of the earth guide you, then you may have done everyone - and principally yourself - some good. It's a worthy exercise, even if you come to the same conclusion as before.

Before Islam, the Arabs were practicing Mutah relationships. When the prophet (AS), declared that he allowed it to them before, while he was pronouncing it to be forbidden henceforth, he was simply stating that he did not stop the practice up to that point, even from the time Islam began. And the reason was there was no revelation against the practice of it, until then. When I say there is no Mutah in Islam, it simply means from the point when it became forbidden, what is past is past. It therefore onward ceases to exist. Please note that Allah says in the Qur'an that Muhammad (AS) never says anything out of his own desire. Everything he says was by Inspiration. He was ordered to say them. This is why he had to wait until revelation came down about it before he announced the abolition of it.


The same way that we can conveniently say there is not consumption of Alcohol in Islam. Yet it was not forbidden at an earlier time. The same way that some meats are forbidden, but used to be consumed before they were forbidden. Knowing that Zina is sexual intercourse with somebody the participants is not married to, it was forbidden by the revelation coming down to do so. You will have to agree that before Zina was forbidden, the act of such sexual intercourse was not a sin or forbidden. Mutah is a marriage which has an already determined termination time, and it is contracted for a simple purpose of sexual relationship, deemed forbidden and therefore became a form of illegal sex. when the revelation that forbids was revealed.


In Islam all act of worship; rukuh, sujjud, acknowledgement of lordship and prophetship, etc, are forbidden, except what God Almighty Allah permits. So when Allah commanded the Angels, in whose company Iblis the Jinn was keeping, to prostrate to Adam, it was permissable and a worship and obedience to Allah for the Angels who did just that. It is the refusal or obedience that Iblis took as his position that made him a great sinner and lost favor with Allah.

Also Joseph (AS) a prophet dreamt about his family prostrating to him. Which they finally did. It is the permission of Allah that allows the prophet Joseph to have that dream. You will know that all the dreams of prophets were true. If Allah did not want the prostrations of his family before him, He would not have allowed that dream for Joseph.

Finally all actions are acceptable, except what Allah forbids. This is why you saw that all things that are sinful and or disallowed are forbidden with jurispudence of revelation. When Zina was going to be forbidden as being disallowed, revelations about sexual relationships came down, in stages. It is not also surprising that Qur'an and Sunnah/ahadith will abrogate Mutah at its proper time of Islamic maturity. It was not done in the days of makka, but in madina where islam had grown to a noteworthy city state.


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Did you think about the above? Breathe deeply, and think about the statement. I could helo with a simple question: One what day did the Messenger of Almighty Allah prohibit Mut'a marriage and the eating of domesticated donkeys? Now, think about at least two interpretations of that question. Do it; think.
Now, do you see another possibility or not?[/quote]I thought your main concern was to prove that Mutah is still a permissive relationship in Islam? If you are now in agreement that Mutah is no longeran issue, and you just wanna know the date(s), then I understand. It was reported that there who ocassions, that the prophet pronounced that Mutah and the eating of donkey are both forbidden. The two days are in the ocassions of victories for the Muslims. Khybar and the victory of Makka.


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What's your source for this? Your post says: "In his Sahih, Muslim recorded that Ar-Rabi` bin Sabrah bin Ma`bad Al-Juhani said that his father said that, " Can you recognise how many links in that chain?[/quote]Unless you are saying that the ahadith is weak and unsound, then it is from Sahih Muslim. But you will have to prove to me that Mutah is still in practice and that Verse 25 of Surah Nisaa did not abrogate verse 24 which is diretly above it. Please know that verses 24 and 25 are obviously not revealed at the same time, since they deal with two opposite end of the same issue. Verse 24 which allowed must have obviously been revealed before verse 25 which abrogated it.

Could you supply a verse from the Holy Quran explicitly prohibiting Mut'a? Is there a verse negating what we read at Sura 4 Ayat 24? There is none, to my knowledge (see my discussion of your "self-restaint" comment below. I want to note again that I am here talking of Mut'a of marriage; there is another Mut'a; we may or may not get to that. Yet, it is confirmed that Mut'a marriage was legal, and without opposition from the Holy Prophet (PBUH) during the time of the Holy Prophet. Do you want references from respectable scholars? I can give plenty.

The biggest book is the Al Qur'an. Hadith explains the verses of the Qur'an. The Biggest Scholar and the Professor is Muhammad (AS), himself. And the biggest students were his companions. Then next was the following generation. Then even less was the next generation. After these three generations, the prophet did not comment about later generations.

Now in the matters of Islamic knowledge, should I abandone what Qur'an says and what Muhammad explained and make his companions practice for what a much much later generation scholar(s) put forward? The answer will be completely NO.

Again as you have requested and I had said before Verse 25 abrogated verse 24 of surah Nisaa. Please I post it below and a better explanation following it;

25. And whoever of you have not the means wherewith[b] to wed [/b] free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess, and Allah has full knowledge about your faith, you are one from another. Wed them with the permission of their own folk (guardians) and give them their due in a good manner; they should be chaste, not fornicators, nor promiscuous. And after they have been taken in wedlock, if they commit Fahishah, their punishment is half that for free (unmarried) women. This is for him among you who is afraid of being harmed in his religion or in his body; but it is better for you that you practice self-restraint, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Please note that verse 25 speaks about people should wed, even when they are not so wealthy that they can marry free believing women, whose expenses will be very high. They should instead wed even believing girls from among the unprevileged. This girls are not the high mentainance type like the free believing women. However the wedding of these unprevileged girls should be of proper wedding, as ordained in the Qur'an and practiced under the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (AS).

The qualification of even the unprevileged girl is so high that they should be chasted and not fornicators, and not promiscuous either. They should mentain this great quality even when they became wives and if they perform any evil in sex (Fahishah; the same word that was used to describe Zina in the verse where Allah says that man should not even come near Zina. Please make your own research), their punishment is even half of that of unmarried free believing women.

Almighty Allah then specified that this directive is made for the benefit of believing man who is concern about keeping his religion unharmed (not being dimished in purity or not going astray), and, also not harming his body by doing what is outside what is prescribed (of sexuality in this verse). Then God warned that in addition to this, if you have appetite even for more, you should practice self restraint. (People are even adviced to fast, lower their gaze, etc; this is part of restraints).


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Do you always conclude so prematurely? Do you know what Mut'a involves? How could you jump to the death of the conclusion that Mut'a implies little or no restraint? Your bias has run so far ahead of your reasoning that you're lost; sorry to come hard on you. This is arrogance; it is worse than ignorance. No, not because you don't agree, but because you're not engaging your mind to recognise nuances where there are shades of gray. Mut's marriage requires restraint. We know what promiscuity is, we know what fornication is. If you say that Mut'a of marriage is fornication, are you then saying that the holy Prophet allowed fornication and promiscuity? This the question you need to answer. Answer this question, and you'D have done some good.

Sorry Nimshi, you could not come hard on me, even if you throw yourself at me! And I did not say that Mutah involves little or no restarint. Thats your own statement. I said that you should practice self restraint. Thats right there in Verse 25. You are the one making things up.

I have answered your question about Fornication and promiscuity (Zina), above. I will try to sum it up here:

Before an action is forbidden it was permissable. Before the verses on Zina and Mutah came, they were practiced and not looked upon as things forbidden by the Arabs.The muslims were in that community. The Muslims used to practice them along with other thing that the Arabs practiced. When revelation came to forbid each of them, it became forbidden for the muslims. The Arabs who were not muslims could still be doing them. But muslims could not participate,

Prophet Muhammad (AS) simple waited for revelation and or commandment to come before he can pass a law on a matter. He simply as the Messenger delivered the message and carried out the judgement against it. If there is one. I now believe I have addressed your simple and basic concern.

@Davidylan: « #128 on: Today at 01:15:12 AM »

Here is it bro . . . the book of revelations is replete with the use of the term Almighty God (infact for the KJV) that is the only new testament book where the term is ever used at all . . whether for Christ or for God Himself (both are the same but that again is another lesson for another day).

Good job, David. Now tell did God Himself (from Christian perspective. I know the Jews have a different point of reference), ever worship Jesus? Yes or no.


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I don't have to. the KJV is the same anywhere . . . get a bible or look for a KJV online.[/quote]Are you saying it has remained exactly the same, from the time it was copied with less books fro the catholic's Douwy Bible?


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Neither will you find a reference to God as Almighty God either except in the book of Revelations (for the new testament).[/quote]Why was that refence to Jesus not made in the Gospels? I think Jesus will know him own position better that the best among his followers. We must take the words of Jesus about himself over any disciples or later apostles. Why is that Jesus had to leave first, before the qualifiers on earth began to call him all kinds of great names, when he did not call himself while on earth?

It is interesting to know that the ability of any human to come back to life from death, (as in resurrection), and or giving life to a dead, is the unique concept that makes a person being deitified. God like. The people who think that any human being is God fail to consider that God is unique in many special ways.

It is only God who can truly create a thing that never was in existence before. No example of it would have existed before it was brought into existence. Take the case of man. Adam was the first of that specific kind of specie, man. There could have been many almost man, but never a man as this same God had created them in the exact form that they are found; almost man.

God is the only One that can wipe out whatever He wills of His creations to extinction. Take the case of dinosaurs. At a time in creation, they used to dominate creations. But they are now things of legends. God says in the Qur'an that He is the Creator and also the Creator of all things created by any who thinks he/she created something.

So in discussing man claiming that another is god or godlike, a few personalities must be discussed, here for illustration.


A case in point, Ezra (AS), died and rose up. Jesus even did one better, according to the Christians. He raised a dead and he raised himself up.

In both cases; the Jews called Ezra son of God, and, the Christian called Jesus son of God and also God.

But this concept of death and coming back to life, do help increase the faith of some people: Ibrahim's faith became stronger by it, as God demostrated that He, God is the only One who could truly give life and death and from death to life! (Surah Baqarah)

In the case of Jesus, it has made many folks lose their faith, as they wrongful label Jesus as god and son of god at the same time, while all the time he is truly a prophet of God to his people alone.

Is there anything that Jesus did that is so unique that no other one person that had walked the face of the earth ever did something comparable to it? If there is, please somebody should let us know. And finally are these few things, if there is more than one on the list of his accomplishments, enough to qualify him as God, amongst men, considering the vastness of all that is created, known and unknown, if one believes in creation?


Is it not possible that God raised these people up, without them being able to raise themselves up, since He was their Creator in the first place? Is it not even possible that He God only made it seemingly as if death occurred in at least in the case of one of them, Jesus?

Finally is it not within the power of God to do all of these and more, including empowering each of these persons with the ability to perform the miracles of raising persons up from death, only to act as signs of their prophethood/messengership?

Do we know or or it is not God that knows everything, seen and unseen? Is everything not underHis control?

But Emeka is half Egyptian. She is in the waiting.

@Kermamod: « #75 on: Today at 05:04:15 PM »

olabowale, is she full Igbo or the "half Igbo, half Egyptian" that tpia mentioned

Ada is full is Igbo woman.

@Rampagain: « #62 on: Yesterday at 10:33:27 PM »

d God I'm talking about is d same one known as :


the I AM THAT I AM in d bible

Which one, I ask you again; is it god the father, or god the son or god the holy ghost? Please tell me.

the BEGINNING AND THE END

Which one?

the ROSE OF SHARON

Thank God Almighty Allah you did not say Ariel Sharon. Which one of the gods you are talking about here; father, jesus or ghost?

the FIRST AND THE LAST

Still whats the name of this god of yours?

the OMNIPOTENT;OMNISCIENCE AND OMNIPRESENT GOD

You haven't told us which one of the three. Please tell us, now.

the ONE THAT SITTETH IN THE HEAVENLIES AND MAKES THE EARTH HIS FOOTSTOOL

Definitely, this will not be Jesus.

the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDEA

Lion of a lonely tribe? Man, you have a weak god. Mine is the Creator of all things. Everything is created by Him.

the LILY OF THE VALLEY

My sustains the valley, the lillies on it and more. He susstains all things, known and unknown.

the MERCIFUL AND SAME TIME CONSUMING FIRE GOD

My God is so merciful that He forgives without any merits, as He wills. He needs no medium between Him and us the ones to be forgiven. Yet His punishment is just with Justice.

the one THAT KNOWS THE END AND AFTER THE END

Interestingly, Jesus did not know this very thing; end. You will see that he can't be god, yet you worship him!

the MIGHTY GOD IS HIS NAME

Thats still not a name. My God has a real name; Allah.

now thats the God I'm talking about,

You did not give a name in all your writing. You did not tell me which one is your god?

God name: Yes or No?

Is Jesus your God?

Is Father your God?

Is Ghost your God?

@Queenisha: « #64 on: Today at 12:31:33 AM » THIS WOMAN DEY TALK FROM REQULAR EXPERIENCE! CHEI! lol.

how about when you people have constipation.
You know,that type of cannon that can only be released by a loud and sustained ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
followed by mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In everything in Islam, there are exceptions when the STP is not normal. Dig it woman. lol.

don't open your mouth na
it's either you scream out and be free or you scream out in pain
choose one
How about explosive diarrhea?
The one that looks like watery egusi soup
we've all been there
You run and get to the toilet just in time
and while you sit,all you want to say is yepaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and eheeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as your bowel contents are released into the white bowl

You must be having a blast the way you are writing! Woman, everything has its place. Islam is easy. Try it. You will even be able to scream in the case of constipation! And you would not committed any sin. Don't make it sound too hard, because it is not.



and people are here talking anout keeping quiet,facing away from mecca and entering with the correct leg.
Your bowels should be donated to forsyth institute for study
they are the sarki of all bowels
they go jejely in an orderly manner
give me a break!
[quote][/quote]You got. Break that is. If you find this hard to swallow, then how do you swallow a man god? You see that your priority is not stark up right. You can accept something this easy and you see that it is orderly, yet you are taking a simple man, who ate, slept and did all humans do, like you for god! Baby, am disappointed. You have to give me a bigger break on this one. And you will not be able to satisfy my disagreement, either! You are worship Omo Meri! lol. Oga o. Na wa o.

@Pilgrim.1: Aburo mo bere oro, oo dasi, pe oloun baba kiristieni, she o sin Jesus ri; rara tabi beni. O da mi lowun. Ibi bayi lo wa wa. Oga o. Mo de ro wipe iwo lo ma ko ko da si oro no nio. Odaa. Odabo. lol. Agidi iwo obinrin yoruba yi leju.

@Nimshi: This is the Tafsir of the prohibition of Mu'ta, right there in Surah Nisaa. I bet you may not have seen it while you were concentrating on Verse 24! Allah Himself defends His Book, His prescribed religion for mankind. His worshippers


Prohibiting the Mut`ah of Marriage


Mujahid stated that, [فَمَا اسْتَمْتَعْتُمْ بِهِ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةً]

(So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due,) was revealed about the Mut`ah marriage. A Mut`ah marriage is a marriage that ends upon a predeterminied date. In the Two Sahihs, it is recorded that the Leader of the Faithful `Ali bin Abi Talib said, "The Messenger of Allah prohibited Mut`ah marriage and eating the meat of domesticated donkeys on the day of Khaybar (battle).''


In addition, in his Sahih, Muslim recorded that Ar-Rabi` bin Sabrah bin Ma`bad Al-Juhani said that his father said that he accompanied the Messenger of Allah during the conquest of Makkah, and that the Prophet said, «يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنِّي كُنْتُ أَذِنْتُ لَكُمْ فِي الاسْتِمْتَاعِ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ، وَإنَّ اللهَ قَدْ حَرَّمَ ذَلِكَ إِلى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ، فَمَنْ كَانَ عِنَدَهُ مِنْهُنَّ شَيْءٌ فَلْيُخَلِّ سَبِيلَهُ، وَلَا تَأْخُذُوا مِمَّا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ شيئًا»


(O people! I allowed you the Mut`ah marriage with women before. Now, Allah has prohibited it until the Day of Resurrection. Therefore, anyone who has any women in Mut`ah, let him let them go, and do not take anything from what you have given them.) Allah's statement, [وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَاضَيْتُمْ بِهِ مِن بَعْدِ الْفَرِيضَةِ]


(but if you agree mutually (to give more) after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you.) is similar to His other statement, [وَءَاتُواْ النِّسَآءَ صَدُقَـتِهِنَّ نِحْلَةً]


(And give to the women their dowry with a good heart). The meaning of these Ayat is: If you have stipulated a dowry for her, and she later forfeits it, either totally or partially, then this bears no harm on you or her in this case. Ibn Jarir said, "Al-Hadrami said that some men would designate a certain dowry, but then fall into financial difficulties.

Therefore, Allah said that there is no harm on you, O people, concerning your mutual agreement after the requirement (has been determined).'' meaning, if she gives up part of the dowry, then you men are allowed to accept that. Allah's statement, [إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً]


(Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.) is suitable here, after Allah mentioned these prohibitions.


[وَمَن لَّمْ يَسْتَطِعْ مِنكُمْ طَوْلاً أَن يَنكِحَ الْمُحْصَنَـتِ الْمُؤْمِنَـتِ فَمِنْ مَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـنُكُم مِّن فَتَيَـتِكُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَـتِ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِإِيمَـنِكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ مِّن بَعْضٍ فَانكِحُوهُنَّ بِإِذْنِ أَهْلِهِنَّ وَءَاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ بِالْمَعْرُوفِ مُحْصَنَـت غَيْرَ مُسَـفِحَـتٍ وَلاَ مُتَّخِذَاتِ أَخْدَانٍ فَإِذَآ أُحْصِنَّ فَإِنْ أَتَيْنَ بِفَـحِشَةٍ فَعَلَيْهِنَّ نِصْفُ مَا عَلَى الْمُحْصَنَـتِ مِنَ الْعَذَابِ ذَلِكَ لِمَنْ خَشِىَ الْعَنَتَ مِنْكُمْ وَأَن تَصْبِرُواْ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ]


(25. And whoever of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess, and Allah has full knowledge about your faith, you are one from another. Wed them with the permission of their own folk (guardians) and give them their due in a good manner; they should be chaste, not fornicators, nor promiscuous.

And after they have been taken in wedlock, if they commit Fahishah, their punishment is half that for free (unmarried) women. This is for him among you who is afraid of being harmed in his religion or in his body; but it is better for you that you practice self-restraint, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

Nimshi: And verse 25 abrogated or prohibited Mu'tah. Allah says "Practice self-restraint!"

@Nimshi: « #22 on: Yesterday at 08:39:00 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 06:08:39 PM
There is no Mut'a in Islam! What you are now doing is committing Zina under a different name. Thats evil.

What a reaction! It is evil to mention Mut'a in Islam?! It is Zina!

Shut it down if you don't disagree with it, right?

Too bad, knowledge, and wisdom is out there; so, my friends, examine it.

First off: if it was/is Zina, are you suggesting that the Prophet (PBUH) allowed Zina? Are you?

Anyway, the definitive text is found in the Holy Quran 4:24, the so-called verse of Mut'a.

And you will also find in the Qur'an at a time before it was forbidden to consume alcohol, verse that when one is impaired by its consumption, he/she should not approach Salah. You will also read that at one time, people can talk in Salah, until it was prohibitted. You will also know that it was permissable to marry more than 4 wives, before it was prohibited and limited to just 4 and not more!

The Holy Quran 4:24 - . . . and wedded women, save what your right hands own. So God prescribes for you. Lawful for you, beyond all that, is that you may seek, using your wealth, in wedlock and not in licence. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, give them their wages apportionate; it is no fault in you in your agreeing together, after the due apportionate. God is All-knowing, All-wise. (Source: http://quran-online.net/)

And you will find in the Qur'an verse saying that some verses were abrogated, and replaced with an equal verse or something different. You also see in the Qur'an where Allah says that whatever Muhammad (AS) gives one should take it, and whatever he disallows, one should abandone it. You will also read where Alla says Muhammad (AS) does speak of his own, except that he has been commanded to do so. You will aslo read here Allah says that answe the Messenger when he calls you to what gives you life/benefit.

So, there you have it. And before proceeding, let's be specific: this is the "Mut'a of women". I write that for be benefit of anyone denying that there is no Mut'a in Islam; perhaps, the Mut'a of pilgrimage may be helpful in not substituting the practical meaning with the linguistic one. If knowledge is being filtered through translations, then let's begin looking at the Arabic. There can be references: both to clear reasoning and scholars and to history, to the extent of the confirmation that this was legal during the time of the Prophet (PBUH)

Nimshi, would therefore conclude by your reasoning that Alcohol consumption, talking in Salah and marry more than 4 wives, were permissable in the time of the prophet?

When you say that, please note that each was a practice before Islam began. Each practice continued up to a point in Islam. Each stopped by it been forbidden durig the lifetime of the Prophet (AS).

Sura 4 Ayat 24 refers to Mut'a, or Temporary Marriage; the holy book sets out what it is. Let anyone willing to discuss approach with knowledge and not empty words.

Nimshi, the empty words is from a person who truly lacks the understanding of Al Islam. The Explanator of Al Qur'an was Muhammad himself. For example, Allah speaks about Salah. But in the Qur'an you will not find how many rakah is each; Subh 2, Zuhr, Asr and Isha, each being for while magrib is 3. The exact rakah you will find in the Sunnah or ahadith of the Prophet!

Allah says of the Fornicator to be flogged 100 lashes. It is in ahadith and sunnah that you will see that the Adulter and adulteress are to be stoned to death, because their case is worse that those who do not have legal sexual partner!

In the time of the Victory of Makka, Allah's messenger (AS), forbade two things; the eating of horse meat and Mu'ta relationship.

Regardless of your arguments, we know what is morally acceptable. By the time Islam was completely organized, Iman had already fully established in the hearts of the muslims. It was therefore viable that things that were bad and immoral, which they used to practice in their culture, the arabic culture were abrogated, forbidden, cancelled.

We all know that drunkenness leads to all kind of terrible things and it is bad for the liver.
We also know that temporary marriage leads to a woman being label as being very loose. But no one wants his woman folk to be that woman who is mu'ta! I am sure about myself. I will not any man to mu'ta my women folks.

Since you are able to bring out this verse about Mu'ta from surah Nisaa, you should also read the ahadith about it. That it was abrogated and forbidden aforetime.

@Tpia: I try to keep what I do not want in memory. That remembrance does help me to try to avoid these things; Hell and Shaitan.

I do not want to be complacent. That is my guard should not be let down so much so that I forget that I must avoid them. When you don't remember them, they creep on to you and snatch you.

Thats is a system you must adopt. That will help you to drop fornications, lewdness, and other bad behaviors that may be sinful or that will lead to the big sins.

Tpia, you are the same guy who wants to be half Fulani. Funny dude. Go to sleep. Its late in Auckland. Thats where you are, aren't you?

@Queenisha: At least we are not without orderliness in our lives. We are not like cattle. Even though some of us are cattle rearers. lol.

Now, woman, I want you to experiment on the slight pressure on the left foot. You lean on your left side when you sit and raise the heel of the left foot, with the toes on the floor still.

You will see how easy everything comes out! You are beginning to learn. Sisi, thats good. Am impressed. Whatever you think Muhammad (AS) says and can be experimentally verified, please try it. You will see that Muhammad (AS) will be correct all the time.

And I asked you to come and cook Thick Egusi with bitter leaves stew for me. You just ignore me. Woman, thats cold. Afterall, Ike is long gone from Texas!

@Tpia and Deepzone: « #64 on: September 22, 2008, 02:16 AM »  
Guys, you are having this much at my expense, and you did not invite me? Thats terrible! lol.
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Lmao he's a afanatic for not wanting to marry someone who isnt a fellow Muslim but you're not for ignoring a naming because of no show policy. Irony anyone?[/quote]I am not a fanatic. I am a realist. I was married to a Christian woman, once. I know how much hatred she held against Islam. I do not want to see another cross in my bed, again! I will sell islam to a woman I want. I will give her the opportunity to sell her religion to me, first. When she fails, for certain she will, then i will offer her Islam and I am the dessert for her acceptance. Of course, she can grill me on Islam before she accepts. The same way i grilled her about her religion.

and in the case of olabowale, one of his WIVES is actually Igbo(don't know how he was able to do that) and she converted.

Ada saw Islam and she accepted, willingly. She took Zainab as a name. I am grateful to Almighty Allah who opened her heart to Islam.

same way a Christian man or woman should marry a fellow Christian, I don't see what's wrong in olabowale wanting a fellow muslim as a wife.

I will marry a nonmuslim, as long as she converts. I don't want to be sleeping with a body that will be burnt in hellfire.

Actually you are right but knowing whom Olabowale is, he said it with utmost arrogance and such impunity that will send a wrong  message to the outside world that non muslim women should be abhorred. You don't know him well, I do.

Deepzone, I am not arrogant. Arrogance and pride are not permissible in Islam. But am sure of what I want.
I never will advocate any woman be abhorred. Am certain that i will not say that about Christian woman. Even when she is unattractive to me. She will to somebody. The say way i may not be attractive to some woman, but I am not many.

And how well do you know me? Pele pele o. lol. Lo loko.

That's the same man that is asking me/us whether God worshipped jesus or Jesus worshipped God.

Omode yi, o de ma paro mo mi. I simply ask if Christian god the father worshipped Jesus. Thats a fair question. I simply needed yes or no answers. But your incredulous moderator, A_K_O will not let it stay. The doggon man yanked it off, twice already! What a piece of work he is. Seun Osewa gave him a minor authority he already became a tyrant by it. Just imagine if he is the administrator, a day!

If you ask similar questions about Islam now, they'll report you to the moderator.

You should ask the same question about Islam. Did Muhammad even say to anyone to worship him? The answer is no. Did anyone advocate that Muhammad should be worshipped? The answer is no, if the person is a true muslim. Is it permissable for anyone to worship Muhammad? The answer is no.

Is Muhammad considered more than a human messenger/prophet? The answer is no. If all of these above and many more have no for answer, then you will see that it is rather disingenous for any person to even ask if Allah Almighty the undisputed God the Creator of all and Muhammad, worshipped Muhammad!

@reindeer: « #21 on: September 22, 2008, 10:31 PM »

its obvious this religious henpecking will continue till the end of humanity,

I agree with you. It is exactly written in the Qur'an that there will be people who will dispute about the essence of God, till the end of time. These people will be nonmuslims.

christianity and kufr, islam and kufr, etc etc
na wah o!!

But when the christians are using Qur'anic wording that describe them to describe the muslims, don't you see the irony of that foolishness? Should the muslims not at least correct them tht they are now plagiarising the Qur'an to diecredit the Qur'an. The Christians are Kafr, without any doubt. They want to discredit the muslims, they should get their own greek, or latin, or hebrew word. But not arabic word. lol.

I still have a problem with some sets of people claiming superiority over another, it smacks of arrogance and disrepect for human individualism and that is still the prob i have with religion as it is today.

But you have to agree that if there is a true religion, it must just be a single one. We can't have more one religion that is 100% correct. You know it is easier for subordinate who has one superior that he reports to, that the subordinate who reports to different superiors at the same time.

What if all the suprior in the case of the one who has many, are all equal in power and demand at the same time their own different from the others individual tasks to be carried out by this unfortunate subordinate. What an unbearable pressure on the shoulders of this man! Thats what you have in Christianity's multiple equal gods in trinity.
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@Davidylan: « #22 on: September 22, 2008, 11:45 PM

Christianity is about submitting your will to the FATHER not human individualism . . . it is rebellion against God.

Finally, the truth came out of davidylan. I bet that was an involuntary action. It it wasn't, you would have known that such a statement will throw the trinity concept over its head.

It clearly, as you write it above, even though you used the wrong label for God, the essence and importance of son god and ghost god are completely dimished and in truth wiped off! We see very clearly that Jesus was not the one whose will should be submitted to. We already know that the case of ghost god is simply a matter of propping up the trinity concept as it needed to have three entities.

I remember a guy on nairaland who argued that Jesus is higher the ghost god, who was actually doing Jesus work for jesus, anyhow.