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Flag this messagestory of sahabah walking on water. A story of some of our leaders who dont worship any but the One all Worship is due.
Salman al-Farisi, a revered companion (RA). His story to perfect faith.

May Allah Be Well Pleased With Him
"My heart has become able to wear all forms:
A pasture for gazelles, a monastery for monks,
A temple for idols, the Ka`ba of the pilgrims,
The tablets of Torah, the Book of Qur'an.
I profess the religion of Love.
Whatever direction its mount may take,
Love is my Religion and my Belief."
Ibn `Arabi, Tarjuman al-ashwaq.



Salman al-Farisi is known as the Imam, the Flag of Flags, the Inheritor of Islam, the Wise Judge, the Knowledgeable Scholar, and One of the House of the Prophet . These were all titles the Prophet gave him. He stood fast in the face of extreme difficulties and hardships to carry the Light of Lights and to spread the secrets of hearts to lift people from darkness to light. He was a noble companion of the Prophet . He reported sixty of his sayings.

He came from a highly respected Zoroastrian family from a town near Ispahan. One day while passing by a church, he was attracted by the voices of men praying. Drawn by their worship, he ventured in and found it better than the religion of his upbringing. On learning that the religion originated in Syria, he left home, against his father's wishes, went to Syria and associated himself with a succession of Christian anchorites. He came to know from them the coming of the last Prophet and the signs accompanying his advent. He then traveled to Hijaz where he was seized, sold into slavery, and taken to Madina, where he eventually met the Prophet .

When he found in the Prophet the fulfillment of all the signs of which he had been informed by his Christian teachers, he affirmed the testification of faith - Shahada. Servitude prevented Salman from being at the battles of Badr and Uhud. The Apostle helped him gain his release from slavery by planting with his own hand three hundred palm trees and giving him a large piece of gold. Once a free man he took part in every subsequent battle with the Prophet .

@Olabowale, u said my ignorance lingering on. Who is an igramous btw u & i, when u haven't met me and you concluded that u r old enuf to be my papa, isn't that stupidity at its peak?

There is no stupidity in my assumption since you seem to think like a 15 year old. It is not an age of little experience. Part of your ignorance is that you think that a person who may be old enough to have you as a child have to be as old as your father who could have given birth to you when he was old enough to be your grandfather!

Afa onirungbon yeuke e ma jinna sibi tina bawa ooo!

Sign of a real man. Jesus your lord had beard, just like I do. Samson had beard! You a man, shave, keeping face clean like a woman, or a little child! Gender bender or a little child, which one are you in your role playing?

U r a silly slowpoke, and a disgrace to your co-militant (moslem) sect.

I dont have a sect. I truly dont belong to one! You have bad assumptions, terrible imaginations. So faryou are wrong everytime, and you cant help yourself, since you love just to talk!

U even talk of rubishing me, drag me in the gutter(this was what i was talking about maiming).

Let me use yoruba expression so that you can know what dragging in the mud/gutter means; woo e nle, does not mean I will beat you, that is left for your conscience, if you have any!

Why dont u put nuke on me or stab me to death? Since that's wot u know how to do best.

Look for your own killer right there where you are. There are many christians who will be eager to use you as a practicing target, if you are foolish enough to offer yourself. I think you have a depraved mind.

Zayhal, i don't want to b favour by allah(idol) but by the almighty God. Islam is fierce (not peace)

You will not get Allah's Favor, if you dont want it. Hell is waiting, and no doubt it is a place of doom. While you are neither an english man, nor a semitic of any kind, since the Children of Israel call you gentile, what is the name of what you worship in Yoruba, or in the language of Jesus, instead of your sillya alignment to what all the english speakers call their Creator, the christians say God, not Jehovah, or yahweh, the Muslims say the same, the Jews say the same thing, and even the Hindu, since I have heard many say this word to mean what they worship! Kini oruko olorun iwo keferi yi ni ede yoruba, ati ni ede ti jesu omo mari soo?

an insane person will not be cognisant of insanity. if you are asking this question, you could not be suffering from insanity.

there is a difference between old enough to have you as a son and as your father. if you are born by a father who could have you as a grandson, the later may be your condition, while the former is just about a generation differential in age!

InshaAllahu Taala, I will be someday be old to be 85 years old, even then older than that. Give me time man. Your ignorance lingers and it makes you seem to me at least like a child who has just graduated high school, or university. The later is a position of honor, which I am generously bestowing on you. That generousty is from Islam, and not because of my nigeranness. If I were to act as I feel in my heart, I will rubbish you, drag you in the dirt, the place that you belong to, thats me talking, not the Islam in me, which have spoken earlier!

yes! if he/she is found guilty and endures the punishment without recounting.

ara iwo omode yi o ya. eni to le bie lomo lo nso pe o nsunkun! ki lo ma paa emi lekun ni inu oro omo ano too nso?

oju to ti rokun to ti rosa, ki lo ma ba leru nimu awon odo kekeke? lo sun joo!

so marriage is a sin or less, polution of self?

gbogbo wa lo leyin goro. gbogbo eyin keferi ko loyin aja.

eyin aja ti won o ba foo, maa nrun.

eyin goro ti won foo daa daa o ni run. o kon ma ri bee ni, a le fi wee bi o se ri nigba ti o je wipe jesu o ku, ti wo ni o kuu.

ko ton laaraa e. (lol).

Awon keferi oobun, tio o le tura se to ba lo gbonseee. maa je kin seefe ju boo se ye loo o!

all these keferis want islam to copy them. no and no thanks for our refusal. Islam stands, muslims stand firmly with it. we will not copy you because there is no goodness in copying your traditions!

@N101; « #9 on: Today at 09:16:23 PM »

Maybe I'm missing something here. Christmas, yes, is a Christian festival, but New Years?! What's "Christian" about that?

we just had our new year. this past friday, the first day of muharram, which started on thurday sundown and ended friday's sundown. on sunday coming, the 10th day, we shall observe ashura fast, because it is the tradition of prophet moses [as] to fast in thanking his Creator Allah for defeating tyrannical pharaoh by the simplest means; a stick creating the watery grave!

MrCrackles' « #10 on: Today at 09:17:53 PM »

I wonder o. . . . .

dont wonder any longer. islam is firm on resolve. we are not flaky and do not move we the tide[s]. good thing, truth stand unmoveably firm even in the face of unfettered ridicule from those whose spiritual foundation moves with the changing weather.


@mama-gee; « #11 on: Today at 09:19:20 PM »

Is that a muslim celebration or what?

neither. december 31/january 1 is just a period, no biggie. we have our own new year and since we are not a glutton, we allow you to have yours. thats fair. no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9iVERATf_A&feature=related

the jews will go to paradise, said usisky.

the christians will go to paradise, said usisky.

usisky forgets that those who reverted to Islam are muslims!

Allah says in Suratul Fatiah, about those who have incurred His wrath, and those who are astray.

please tell us who are those in wrath and astray?

I hope you will not say the are the muslims, while you innure the Jews and the Christian, and others? By your style, I hope am right, and my guess which I am not saying is just human concern.

@Toba: « #62 on: Today at 06:42:32 PM »

entire John 14, proves that without jesus u cant reach God. read verse 6.

for you is your way, for me is mine.

Also everything on earth were made by God through jesus colossians 1vs 15 -19.

when youread your bible, you know that things were made long time before Jesus, if he was the word. For from the bible we read that biblical God did not speak "Word" until He said "let there be light." Angels, heavens, earth, and even Jinn were at least created before lets there be light. No? please proof me wrong, unless Jesus is no more the "word" according to you?

Also read philipians 2vs 5 -10.All these will prove to many people that jesus rules the world.

many, the gullible, since jesus did not even dare say that he was a king in front of Pontius Pilate, a mere legion soldier/administrator or emperor, at best!

Matt 28vs18-20. Thats y we celebrate christmas isaiah 9vs6.[/qote]did Jesus even celebrate his own birthday on December 25, or at all? did his disciples celebrate a "birthday" for him? where did you derive yours, then? maybe like how you derived him as ruler of the world, god, etc? No?

Doubters if u need more about jesus the prince of peace&not prince of war, i shall oblige u

please oblige us of truth, not fallacies!

@Usisky: « #412 on: Yesterday at 03:06:05 PM »

@muhsin
All respects to u, 4give me if i ever irritated or angered u in any form. my efforts are not to win an argument, but rather to save a life from eternal damnation.
i will finalise all arguments today, insha Allah(God willing). i will prove to u that the "sunna and hadith" u follow is responsible for the deviation of millions of muslims from the way of God(Qur'an).

If a "sunnah or ahadith" is in complete agreement with the Quran, and such sunnah or ahadith was traced back to Muhammad (AS), the messenger, the prophet, the beloved of Allah, is the said sunnah or ahadith must be rejected because it is not "Quran"? Are you for real? Tell me how you know what Muhammad saw in the Isra and what he saw in the Miraj or maybe you dont believe he was a body and soul in this joutrney just like you dont believe Isa bin Maryam was lifted up, body and soul?

i will start by reminding u two things:
1) all will be judged in accordance with the quran on the day of resurrection and not Ahadith. because quran is the furqaan(criterion)

What, who and how and where and when was the "Furqaan" explained to you, or you just make up your own as you go?

2)God mentions in the quran that on the day of judgment, muhammad will complain to Him that his followers abandoned the quran. it is interesting to note he wouldn't complain about abandoning his hadith but rather the quran?

If you follow the Quran without explanation, are you sure you are following the Quran, or are you accepting the explanation of your "shaikh" while rejecting that of Muhammad (AS) passed down from all his sahabah (RA), men and women of them, their Tabi'in (ra) their tabi tabi'in (ra)?

[25:27] The day will come when the transgressor will bite his hands (in anguish) and say, "Alas, I wish I had followed the path with the messenger.

How do you follow the path with the Messenger (AS), except that you accept what he gives you and reject what he forbids you? Now tell me, how many rakah in Salatul Subh, since it is not in the Quran? How do you know it, except from Sunnah or ahadith of Muhammad (AS)? Do you have any ability to know what Allah says except what His Messenger says it is? Where do you find the voice and action of Muhammad (AS)?

[25:28] "Alas, woe to me, I wish I did not take that person as a friend.

Taking that person as friend, who is that friend; Muhammad or someone who advises that Muhammad's ways be rejected?

[25:29] "He has led me away from the message after it came to me. Indeed, the devil lets down his human victims."

How are you led away from the Message except that you reject what Muhammad says and did; Hadith and Sunnah?

[25:30] The messenger said, "My Lord, my people have deserted this Quran."

How do you desert the Quran except reject the explanation of Muhammad, his ways and speech? Is Muhammad (AS) not the embodiment of Quran? Please explain Surah Kawtar to me, if you ignore Sunnah and Hadith? How about Surah Nasr, or even Ayatul Kursi? Use Quran, alone please, and no other source! You can use your whimsical math situation, if you will.

The proof that You and all those who insist on following hadith and sunna have Desrted the Quran: see questions below:
Point1:
1) The shahadaah(proclamation of faith): how do u recite your shahadaah? do u accept that in the Quran or the ones mentioned in the hadiths? if u don't recite it as written in the Quran, then verse(18:57) applies to u.

Shahadaah Taani is "Ashadu ala illaha ilallah wa Ashadu anna Muhammadanr Rasulullah. Please show this to me in the Quran, if you are honest? Below is verse 18;57 talking about those who are deaf to the remembrance of Quran, as it is brought to them. How are you reminded and who reminds you?

18;57; Sahih International
And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his Lord but turns away from them and forgets what his hands have put forth? Indeed, We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if you invite them to guidance - they will never be guided, then - ever.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And who does greater wrong than he who has been reminded of the signs of his Lord, yet turns away from them and forgets what his hands have sent ahead?, what he has committed in the way of disbelief and acts of disobedience. Indeed on their hearts We have cast veils, coverings, lest they should understand it, that is, lest they should comprehend the Qur’ān, in other words, and so [as a result] they do not comprehend it; and in their ears a deafness, a heaviness, and so they do not hear it; and though you call them to guidance, they will not be guided in that case, that is, given the casting [of veils] mentioned, ever.

The Most Important Commandment(correct shahadaah acording to God, the angels and those who posess knowledge)
[3:18] GOD bears witness that there is no god except He(La Ellaha Ell Allah), and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.

It is God. Thise who have knowledge; who among mankind with the most knowledge of Allah, Quran, Islam, etc; you, your shaikh, or Muhammad (AS)?

[21:25] We did not send any messenger before you(muhammad) except with the inspiration: "There is no god except Me(La Ellaha Ell Allah); you shall worship Me alone."

How do youmake shahadaah? Do you not say that Muhammadanr Rasulullah? If you dont, tell me who is your messenger, the last messenger (AS)?

As u can see from the shahadaah according to God, there is no muhammads name attached to it. no where in the quran do u see God put a name besides His own name. it is those who idolize muhammad against his will that included his name. this is shirk(idolatry) by definition. God lets us knw that it is the hypocrites who do that.see below

Allah Himself in His Book, the Quran has answered you directly, in your allegation. Surah Munafiquun addresses you directly, and below you have it.

Surah Munafiqun; 63;1; Sahih International; When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah ." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
When the hypocrites come to you they say, with their tongues, in contradiction of what is in their hearts: ‘We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of God.’ And God knows that you are indeed His Messenger, and God bears witness, He knows, that the hypocrites truly are liars, in what they conceal, that which is contrary to what they say.

63:2; Sahih International; They have taken their oaths as a cover, so they averted [people] from the way of Allah . Indeed, it was evil that they were doing.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
They have taken their oaths as a shield, as a [means of] protection for their possessions and their lives, and so they have barred, thereby, from the way of God, that is, from using them for the struggle. Evil indeed is that which they are wont to do.

63:3; Sahih International; That is because they believed, and then they disbelieved; so their hearts were sealed over, and they do not understand.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
That, namely, their evil deed, is because they believed, by [affirming faith only with] the tongue, then disbelieved, in [their] hearts, that is to say, they persist in harbouring disbelief in it; therefore their hearts have been stamped, sealed, with disbelief. Hence they do not understand, faith.

63:4; Sahih International; And when you see them, their forms please you, and if they speak, you listen to their speech. [They are] as if they were pieces of wood propped up - they think that every shout is against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
And when you see them, their figures please you, on account of their fairness; and if they speak, you listen to their speech, because of its eloquence. [Yet] they are, by virtue of the enormous size of their figures, [yet] in their lack of comprehension, like blocks of timber (read khushbun or khushubun) [that have been] propped-up, set reclining against a wall. They assume that every cry, made, like a battle-cry or one made to [retrieve] a lost camel, is [directed] against them, because of the [extent of] terror in their hearts, lest something should be revealed deeming their blood licit. They are the enemy, so beware of them, for they communicate your secrets to the disbelievers. May God assail them!, destroy them! How can they deviate?, how can they be turned away from faith after the proofs [for it] have been established?

Surah Fath; 48;29 Sahih International
Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn
Muhammad (the subject) is the Messenger of God (its predicate) and those who are with him, that is, his Companions from among the believers (wa’lladhīna ma‘ahu, [another] subject, the predicate of which [is the following, ashiddā’u]) are hard, tough, against the disbelievers, showing them no mercy [but], merciful among themselves (ruhamā’u is a second predicate [of wa’lladhīna ma‘ahu, ‘and those who are with him’]), that is to say, they show mutual sympathy and affection for one another, much like a father and a son. You see, you observe, them bowing, prostrating [in worship] (both rukka‘an and sujjadan are circumstantial qualifiers). They seek (yabtaghūna is the beginning of a new sentence) bounty from God and beatitude. Their mark (sīmāhum is a subject), their distinguishing feature, is on their faces (fī wujūhihim is its predicate): this is a light and a radiance by which, in the Hereafter, they will be recognised as having been those who used to prostrate in this world, from the effect of prostration (min athari’l-sujūdi is semantically connected to the same thing to which the predicate is semantically connected, that is to say, kā’inatan, ‘[this] being [from the effect of prostration]’; syntactically, it is a circumstantial qualifier referring to the subject [of kā’inatan], which is also the subject of the predicate [sc. wujūhihim, ‘their faces’]). That, mentioned description, is their description (mathaluhum is the subject) in the Torah (fī’l-tawrāti is the predicate thereof); and their description in the Gospel (wa-mathaluhum fī’l-injīli, is a subject, the predicate of which is [what follows]) is as a seed that sends forth its shoot (read shat’ahu or shata’ahu) and strengthens it (read āzarahu or azarahu), nourishing it and assisting it, and it grows stout and rises firmly, becoming strong and upright, upon its stalk, its roots (sūq is the plural of sāq), delighting the sowers, that is to say those who planted it, on account of its fairness. The Companions, may God be pleased with them, are being described in this way, for at the outset they were weak and very few in number; but then their number grew and they acquired strength in the most wholesome way, so that He may enrage the disbelievers by them (li-yaghīza bihimu’l-kuffāra is semantically connected to an omitted clause, which is suggested by what preceded, that is to say, ‘they are likened to this [so that God may enrage the disbelievers]’). God has promised those of them who believe and perform righteous deeds, the Companions (minhum, ‘of them’: min, ‘of’, is an indicator of the genus and not partitive, for they are all possessed of the mentioned attributes) forgiveness and a great reward — Paradise. Both of these [rewards] will also be given to those who will come after them, as is stated in other verses.

[63:1] When the hypocrites come to you they say, "We bear witness that you are the messenger of GOD(muhammad Rasool Ell Allah)." GOD knows that you are His messenger, and GOD bears witness that the hypocrites are liars.

it is important to note that (muhammad rasool ell Allah) means , muhammad is a messenger of God. how is it possible that muhammad would say to himself "muhammad "is" a messenger of God. Also we knw he is dead now, so why do we keep saying he "is" a messenger of God. can a dead man be a messenger of God? Even using common sense, the correct statement shoul've been (muhammad "was" a messenger of God). in arabic it will be(muhammad "kana" rasool ell Allah).

This man, Usisky by his suggestion of "was" Kana, especially when 48 verse 29 simply says Muhammadanr Rasulullah "is" is changing Quran, the very Word of Allah he says he is protecting! Where is your Islam, man? Of course there are Munafiq, hypocrites among those who say they are muslim, the reason Allah gave many ayah for them in Surah baqarah at the beginning part, and then a Chapter named for them. Allah says Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and He did not say was. Allah says to the believers that Allah gives Salaam (confirms Good grace), His Angels give salaam (seeking blessing for him) and Allah commands believers to give salaam on Muhammad if you know what is beneficial for you, in Surah Ahzah. Please tell me if that verse is not valid, anymore?

Point2:
2) Do u or do not call on muhammads name in your sallat(contact prayers) while at the masjid(mosque)? as u knw the traditional muslims idolize his name in(azhaan and sitting position). if u do that, then it means u do not the verse stated below(72:18), therefore u nullify your sallat. and verse(18:57) applies to u.

This man Usisky must not be muslim in the heart, since the tashahuud is part of prayer, a dialogue of greeting between Allah and His Messenger, in the Miraj part of the night journey, in the Quran, surah Isra and surah Najm. Sayyidina Billal bin Rabah never made an ahdan without Ashaadu annaa Muhammandanr Rasulullah. No body calls on Muhammad, but confirms the position of Muhammad (AS) with his Lord!

[72:18] The places of worship(mosque) belong to GOD; do not call on anyone else beside GOD.

Oh man, no one calls on Muhammad, call on Allah Alone. To wish good on the Messenger is commanded by Allah. If you disregard it, you have behaved like those who say "Qul" in the Quran is not applicable anymore. Even Muhammad read the "Qul"!

The verse stated above came out of muhammads mouth, commading w muslims to only mention God in the mosques. do the muslims abide? no. they insist on comemmorating muhammads name Besides God's. this is flagrant idolatry without realizing it.

For the trillionth time, no one worships Muhammad. Proof; Abu Bakr reminded the companions that those who worship Allah should know that Allah is alive, and Muhammad His messenger is dead. Allah says that those who die in the cause of Allah are not dead. Please what cause/path did Muhammad died in?

Point3:
3) Do u or do u not recite all your noon sallat(contact prayers) silently?. if u do, it therefore means u don't agree with verse of God(17:110). this then means that verse(18:57) applies to u.

How did Muhammad (AS) prayed? Are you going to pray differently? Are you a muslim or what are you, really? You need to change your aqeedah, otherwise choose other religion for yourself. Shia is better in belief.

Tone of the Contact Prayers (Salat)
[17:110] Say, "Call Him GOD, or call Him the Most Gracious; whichever name you use, to Him belongs the best names." You shall not utter your Contact Prayers (Salat) too loudly, nor secretly; use a moderate tone.

Muhammad (AS) the carrier of the Message of Allah to his community, prayed silently the Dhur, Asr, then the last rakah of magrib and the last 2 of isha are prayed silently. Even in Masjid Haram, Masjid Al nawawi, Masjid Aqsa. Where do you pray yours and how do you pray it? Ridiculous thoughts and opinions you give, taking anyone who follows them out of Islam, completely!

As u can see from above, u have another god(hadith and sunna, SATAN) Besides God who told u to observe your noon salat(contact prayers) silently.

How many of you are truly obedient to Allah, as you completely ignore Muhammad (AS)?

Point4:
4) Do u or do u not observe your wudu(ablution) as stated in (5:6)? if not, then it means u don't agree with the Verse of God. it therefore means verse(18:57) applies to u.

{He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad), has indeed obeyed Allâh}; [4:80].{And whoso obey Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allâh has bestowed His Grace of the Prophets, the Siddiqûn (followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddîq), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!};
[4:69].{And (remember) the Day (Allâh) will call to them, and say: “What answer gave you to the
Messengers?”}; [28:65].

[5:6] O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual heavenly feeling, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.

this is the correct ablution as prescribed by God. anything outside that is from satan.

Does this guy make any salah but the fard?

Divine Intervention

[18:57] Who are more evil than those who are reminded of their Lord's proofs, then disregard them, without realizing what they are doing. Consequently, we place shields on their hearts to prevent them from understanding it (the Quran), and deafness in their ears. Thus, no matter what you do to guide them, they can never ever be guided.

[17:46] We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone, they run away in aversion.

[39:3] Absolutely, the religion shall be devoted to GOD alone. Those who set up idols beside Him say, "We idolize them only to bring us closer to GOD; for they are in a better position!" GOD will judge them regarding their disputes. GOD does not guide such liars, disbelievers.


Critical information given by God:

those who do not believe , are those that take God's servants(jesus, muhammad, moses, mary e.t.c) as protectors besides God. their portion is hell. they think that they have been righteous, but all their works(salaat,zakat, hajj, saywm) will be in vain. All cos they never believe God is sufficient for them, and they also deny His verses.(sura kahf ch-18, v 102-106).

[18:102] Do those who disbelieve think that they can get away with setting up My servants as gods beside Me? We have prepared for the disbelievers Hell as an eternal abode.
[18:103] Say, "Shall I tell you who the worst losers are?
[18:104] "They are the ones whose works in this life are totally astray, but they think that they are doing good."
[18:105] Such are the ones who disbelieved in the revelations of their Lord and in meeting Him. Therefore, their works are in vain; on the Day of Resurrection, they have no weight.
[18:106] Their just requital is Hell, in return for their disbelief, and for mocking My revelations and My messengers.

There are only two verses in the Qur'an that describes the prophet muhammad as "no more than a human being like all of us". is it a coincidence that both verses forbid idolatry at the end to them.
(sura kahf ch-18, v 110)
(sura fussilat ch-41, v 6).

i have said over and over again that the "sunna and hadith" were never from the prophet. it is from satan. Satan is aware that the only unforgivable sin, if mentained till death is shirk(idolatry). And he knows that going contrary to the quran is infact shirk, because u have another god telling u to do other than the Quran. Do muslims really think theey will not be put to the test? We all have a common test to pass, that is denouncing idolatry. be u muslim or christian or whatever. that test is the most difficult to pass. God asked similar Question in the quran, that do the believer think that they won't be tested. if u think by just been a muslim u are saved, then am sorry , read the Qur'an sequentially from chapter1 to chapter114, the message will reveal itself to u , only if u don't deny any of Gods verses.


However u try, u can never anwer my questuions above. u know why? because, see below

"when truth is hurled over falsehood, falsehood perishes. For falsehood by its nature is bound to perish"

Subhana Allah(Glory be to God)!

[PDF] If You Love Allah, Then Follow MuhammadFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Muhammad's Quran, yet, reject his role as the receiver of the interpretation of , We, the Muslims, take from Allah's Messenger whatsoever he gives us. ,
www.islamlife.com/down/if-you-love-allah.pdf This website responds to Usisky, a clear denier of the prophetic responsibilities of Muhammad (AS)!

@Olaadegbu: I am okay, and thank Allah for preserving my life. I appreciate your asking about me. I hope you are okay, too. My God Almighty Who creates open your heart to true belief. Amin.

If you think the Jewish rabbi is correct, I have news for you; he is not. First, no muslim worships Jesus like you christians do. The whole argument of this nincompoop rabbi are based on two things, in addition: There is no place in the Quran or Hadith that the word/(commandment) love by Allah and muslims for each other and love of man for neighbor does not occur is the most deceitful tactics, and am surprise that even as you live in England you fell for that stupidity.

Should you not be smart enough to at least research it out, even as this rabbi is tryiing to make a fool of you? There is something called google, man!
Say (O, Muhammad): “If you love Allâh, then follow me, Allâh will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”; [3:31].

Anas relates that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “None of you truly believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]

Kind speech and forgiveness is better than charity followed by injury; and Allah is Selfsufficient, Forbearing. [al-Baqara: 263]

The Prophet (SAW) reminded us: “If one gives charity it does not diminish his wealth; if one forgives others, Allah bestows more honour on him; and if one humbles himself for Allah's sake, He exalts him higher.” (Muslim.)

And compete with one another for your Lord's forgiveness and a Paradise as vast as the heavens and earth prepared for the God-fearing, who give generously whether in times of plenty or in times of hardship, and hold in check their anger, and pardon their fellow human beings; Allah loves such doers of good. [Aal-e-Imran: 133-134]

The Prophet (SAW) said: `Two of the qualities which Allah loves are gentleness and endurance.' (Bukhari.)

And whoever is patient and forgiving, these most surely are actions due to courage. [ash-Shura: 43

Should I criticise Judaism, Jews, Christianity, Christians and their disagreeing books against each other respectively? Not tonight. But did you hear the taint of "hatred of black skin" in his exegeses, as he said about about his blacy grsnd child? I think this guy forgot that Children of Israel prophets from Moses at least all the way to Solomon killed people, nations, societies, animals of their enemies and victims and cut down their trees.

Further, what kind of god (remember I used g instead of G because it could not be a true God) will send an angel to a woman (Hajar) the wife of his friend (Abraham was supposed to be a friend of God, no?Who knows the God of and the family of Ibrahim better between Ibrahim and Jew/Christian? Of course, it is Ibrahim (AS). So your gimmick works for you and only your type!) to tell her that such a child would be a killer before he was even born? Is that really a God? By the way, did Ischmael kill anyone or was he killed by anybody? If the answer to eiter is no, then the god of the jews and that of the Christians got it wrong, and I submit to you that thats not God you worship, people. You and your god/gods are but pagans and fakes. There is nothing Allah says that is not true, in the past, now and in the future.

Jesus commanded the purchases of SWORDS for those who do not have a "Bag!" Whats in the Bag but a thing potent as the sword. Did Jesus change his mind like a god who cant do nothing of his own? Why would you ask somebody to buy a sword and when used by the people whom he told to purchase them, he resorted to being "those who live by the sword will die by it?" I ask you did the guy, Peter died by the sword, and has anyone of you wise up enough to know that Jesus gave the go ahead to fight except that when they wanted to fight, the conventional advantage over the handful disciples (people he had called "you cant handle the all I have to tell you, so the another Comforter will have to do it. I always asked; what did the "holy ghost teached?) by share number, made Jesus doubt any possible victory!

I am convinced conveniently, that the Jewish Toral and the Christian Injil after the prophets were corrupted. Is either deserving a second look? No!

@Aloy.Emeka: « #60 on: Today at 06:48:42 PM »

It's only Jesus who can keep you away from hell fire. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Jesus said in the Bible, "of my own power I can do NOTHING". If you thereafter, emeka believe that he can save you, no wonder you took him for a lord, god, savior, even though it is clear that you are in manifest error, even as you throw a birthday party for him in the wrong season, wrong day. I know you will give me the lamest excuse, for each of the obvious. I am eager to read and ignore after that.


[Quote] Christianity does not support war; it's Islam that declares war on innocent lives because of apostasy.[/quote]Though Jesus said he brought no peace but war? Though he asked that they purchased swords? This reminds me of Fela's "watin lawyer go take spanner do!" So Emeka what use is the sword from a man who said I brough war not peace? Continue to deceive your own conscience. About apostasy, Moses killed them, Jesus advocated for their death. Muhammad said they could be killed if they wage war against you, an obvious condition that even the meekest will react! Have you ever heard the adage "if you push goat to the corner, it will turn around to bite or even butt you?" Islam is like that in the matter of apostasy.


[Quote]Life, liberty, happiness, joy, salvation given unto us through the new covenant. That is why we break bread and drink wine in remembrance of Him.[/quote]Listen to this drunk, or is it drunkard and glutton (lol. am messing with you now). You did not remember his forebearers, because of the new covenants, yet you guys never stop using them falsely to proof him!

When Christ died, the veil in the temple got torn and mankind's hope was hanging in balance the whole 3 days He was yonder but Glory be to God He rose on the third day.

In 1973 when my grandmother (ra) died, there was tremedous amount of wind, and it rained to soften the soil so that her grave was easy to dig! Whats the significance of that? That made her more than a creation? obviously not! What happened when Adam died, or when Enoch died, or when Noah died, or when Ibrahim died, or Ismail, or isiaq, or Yaqub, or Yusuf who was carried back to palestine when the migration took place, a body that seemed freshly dead, even though it had been many centurues, or when Moses died, or Arun, etc etc etc, Sulaiman that he was dead for so long that no one, including the Jinn did not know that he was dead long time? Please the simple fainting of Jesus or him being in the state of coma which you ignorantly labelled as death means nothing! So the whole temple ruined, a greater sign of calamity than the tearing of the curtain, would that have meant his death, if God says he did not die, nor crucified, since you know the children of Israil wanted his soul to be condemned? Is this what you wanted for Jesus? That alone is enough for your now following him. You want your leader to be a condemned man! shame on you Emeka for thinking evil of this man. And my man, how do you arrive at three days from Friday evening to sunday morning when 24 hours a day is used or sundown to sundown is used! Please calculate and I wanna read how you calculate, man.

You can preach religion and all but that will never save you.

And Christianity is religion. Christ is a leader of religious sect. No? Please enough of your semantics!

why is the post retard, luvola? do you celebrate the end of the fast of the muslims, or the slaughter?

if you dont, why would you expect muslim to celebrate what you celebrate? if you do, thats your choice, since the muslim does not force you to do it. further, the muslim has the right to not celebrate what you celebrate, if you do not force him.

Is there a real christianity, if the Antioch people so named the movement of Biblical Jesus? I doubt it. Am almost certain there is nothing truly christianity.

At 8.00 to 9.00 pm CNN's Faith and Money program this evening, Christine Romans anchor, interviewed Joel Olsteen the pastor of Texas Megachurch about his book "Its your Time" about money, prosperity etc. In all of the defenses that Joel put up defending his gimmick, which is good enough for those who love to consume what he throws up, he surprised me by saying that Christianity started way before Jesus, by the wealthiest man in the east whose name is Abraham! Wow, I said. This dude Joel must have no shame, not abashed about his blatant lie about Abraham.

Just imagine if Christianity was started by Abraham, then his children and nephew, Ischmael, Isaac and Lot respectively, and Jacob his grandchild, and his children, all the way to Moses and beyond, all the way in time to John the son of Zachariah must have been Christians. No? If Joel was right, then Jew never was a true religion but only as a tribal name amongs the overall Children of Israel tribal people! If Joel was wrong, then the whole of Christianity was a shamble, or both Christianity and Judaism in one way or another are partially or wholely false. They cant be both 100% pure, either way you look at Joel Olsteen.

And my girl Ohsisi follows this guy. Ohsisi, where are you, woman?

The reality is that Abraham could not have been a christian, since Jesus was not even a Christian! The reality is that Abraham was not a Jew, in religion or ethnically. I remember a light weight not even heavy enough to be a paper weight asking me to proof that Islam existed before Muhammad (AS). The above is your answer, since Ibrahim (AS) worshipped God his Creator, totally willingly submitting to Him, without the usual resistance, even as to ask "Why", a statement the Bible said that Biblical Jesus questioned God by in his "why has thou forsaken me", when he was on the stake. If it is true that Jesus said "why" to his God, then we have to conclude at least having an opinion that the Biblical Jesus was not a believer. How then can the father of belief, faith, Ibrahim be a christian? Was that like the doubting Thomas, or the denial Peter or betrayal Judas, etc or like the ones who were easily torpidoed by Saul, Paul? Funny idea from Joel.

would you know more than Abu Huraira or Aisha, etc (RA)?

the guy who knows that authentic Ahadth is itself a revelation, a means of exegesising the Quran, is going to teach us, only by Mathematics what Islam is?

You think Quran is only based on mathematics? How many prophetsdid the world see, since Allah says that no people is without a prophet (AS) for it, and Muhammad says 124,000. Please explain apart from the 25 mentioned in the Quran, if you take away the last of them, who is sent to all mankind, how do you mathematically validate the verse that truly every people got a warner?

Ridiculously docking the many questions, clamoring to math, as if Quran is not more than that!

I have heard the nonmuslims rave about the "perfect" if not but excellent Constitution of the USA while there has not been anything like it before, in Human history, my reason for searching for the essence of Madina Constitution under the Prophet (AS) for Comparison.

Chapter 7
Source: http://www.islamandusconstitution.com/chap7.htm

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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ……….

The preamble of the US Constitution lists the following six objectives that also form its foundation:

Form a more perfect Union

Establish Justice

Insure domestic Tranquility

Provide for the common defense

Promote the general Welfare

Secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity

These objectives and their underlying principles are cross-referenced to the Koran. It must be remembered that while Islam lays down broad principles, values and standards, which clearly endorse the spirit and purpose of the Constitution, it does not pronounce verbatim on all its specific provisions because they relate to administrative detail. Some of this discussion in this chapter may be a repetition from earlier chapters when the same principles are discussed.

Islam acknowledged the importance of each of the above principles in the seventh century,


Articles of the Constitution

Subsequent Articles contain Administrative details to implement the above principles. These details specify the election and empowerment of the Congress, the President, and the Judiciary. Some of the Articles of the Constitution restate and emphasize fundamental rights and principles, while others only declare and draw attention to objectives and ideals, which should be progressively pursued as the aims of State policy. Still others spell out methods of giving effect to what is considered imperative or eminently desirable in today's conditions as a practical expression of the enjoyment of freedom, justice and equality. The Constitution does not purport to be exhaustive, as, in the nature of things, no human formulation could claim finality. The Constitution has already been amended twenty six times as the result of experience gained or of charges in the social, economic or political patterns of society and the State.

@Chukwudi44:« #18 on: Today at 02:36:59 PM »

@olabowale
please show me just one evidence outside the koran to prove to the existence of islam before the 7th century.

If I do it again, what will you do; change religion and become Muslim?

christians were mentioned in ancient writings like that of Josephus and Tacitus,

this was before the antioch people call the disciples after jesus left 'christians"? were the companions of jesus even called christians during the earthly lifetime of Jesus? where did you come up with your ancient or what is ancient to you, start with christianity before we go to islam, please/

but no where in any ancient writings were islam mentioned.

I could easily proof that there were muslims, before Christians, and even before Jews! But answer my above questions, first!

Also the alleged corruption of the scriptures is supposed to have occured after the ascension of Jesus to heaven,but the scriptures of the dead sea scrolls found in egypt actually predated Jesus and they agree with the current scriptures in the hands of christians and Jews.

my Quran says never mentioned the Bible, your Scripture as a revealed Book, from God. That alone is a proof of its undivined quality. Now, Allah says He revealed "Torah to Musa", a man you said God wants to kill, even though He sent him on a mission yet completed, "Sabur to David" a man you obviouly call an adulterer but ashamede to say he was the father of Jesus, even though you have so many generations and centuries between them, and "Injil to Jesus son of Mary" whom you errounously labelled as god, or son of the Almighty, yet he has limited knowledge, yet you say he was killed, yet you say his soul was accursed, yet he cried as a means of disbelieving in God's ordainment on him, etc.

Now that I have laid my foundation, when the verse that says that mankind (Jews and Gentiles like Paul/Saul) have corrupted rendered impure the three Books, they were already not 100% pure as when they were in the authority of the custodianship of the prophets they were revealed to. Jesus, the latest of them was no more on earth them. It was over 500 years since Jesus was lifted up. It was close to 600 years even, and by mere human observations, considering that the Books were not being ptotected by God, it was no surprise that mankind had their ways and desires with them. Afterall, Paul entered his "epistles", so did the disciples mere day to day lives became part of the canonized, as in "acts of the apostles." In so doing, starting from just before the verse was revealed in the Quran, the books, now comprising the Bible were in part corrupted, hence the Bible that house d the corrupted products must be corupt!

The book of Genesis for instance found at these caves actually has isaac and not ishmeal as the sacrificial sacrifice by Abraham

The dead sea scroll is to mean what now, since it is the work of the Jews, anyway, long after Moses left, long after jesus left. Much much long after Ibrahim, and his sons left! We see even today that the Muslims make it their obligations to secrifice annually in honor of Ibrahim and his son! Lets just argue for and against isaac as the sacrificing son for a moment; If it was Isaac, why are the Jews and by extentiosn the Christians not observing this rite, since they counted Isaac as honored son, and the symbol of his honor is not more than that act of sacrificing, or is there anything about him that is greater?

Why would the Muslims deny him of this honor, since they are the only group observing this rite, considering that they already honor him as a prophet (AS), honor his son as a prophet (AS), honor his grand son as a prophet (AS), and honor his progeny as prophets (AS; Moses, Harun, Yunus, Elyasa, Yahya, Zakariyyah, Sulayman, Dawud, and Isa bin Maryam to name many), if truly he was the son of slaughter? Muslims are in the total control of the stone (almost an idolatry thing) that the Jews and Christians say that he was almost slaughtered on. If the muslim has honored him this much, in control of the stone and observes the rite of father Ibrahim on his son, then it is expected that the muslims will mention Isaac as the son of slaughter, and not deny him, unless if he was not that son.

Proof of the honesty of the muslim as it concerns the progeny includes "the day of Ashura" coming in on Sunday, next week! The muslim will fast because Moses adopted fasting to thank his Creator on the occasion of the drowning of Pharaoh and his army. Some people (the shia) say it was for the slaining of Hussaine, but the other muslims say no, since this occasion of fast with the muslim was from the time of the prophet (AS) and Hussaine's death which came much later happened to just be on that day.

Now, I argue against Isaac being the son of slaughter: Though being the only son of his mother, he was neithet the first son nor the only son of his father. Ismail was. We do know as a parent that the first son by birth and other matters is very important if not more than any of his earlier siblings, it will never be less. I am talking from experience. Finally, we read the horrible descriptions of how old and in what method that old man Abraham of the Bible used to transport his son to the wildernes. Can that man who is advanced in age carry a 13 year old that far into the wilderness, far far away on his shoulder.

Could Sarah a mere wife and not the one in relationship with God, neither as Friend nor as Father of Faith. No Jew or Christian says that sarah is even the mother of faith, by Abraham has always been slated as father of faith and Friend of God. By the above, it is rather unwise, actually a disbelief in God's Unyielding Authority that a woman would blankettedly force The Creator Who Solely Hold Sway over all thing to be unjust as to send an innocent boy from the protection of his loving father only in the careof his young mother who was foreign to the land! No Merciful God would do that. No merciful huan will even do that and God the Almighty's Mercy is Absolute while that of man is superiorly inferior.

With my opinion above, a factual Position of God Who says He is the Most Merciful, we see that when Ismail and his mother were moved out of the main house, Sarah did not play any role, Ibrahim did not abandone them, and they were visited repeated again and again. The Quran expresses that Kaaba was built in Makka by Ibrahim with the assistance of his son, Ismail. Then later the Quran says they prayed for Mercy, and guidance and religious leadership for those who believe, from among the bloodline of Ibrahim. No then, the Quran says that after time, Ibrahim dreamt that he was slaughtering his son, and asked that son what was his opinion about it! Lets stop and analyse this; It will be unreal that Ibrahim asked a little infant or toddler Isaac anything about slaughtering him.

He just cant seize him and run away for the slaughter without Sarah knowing about it. Sarah will not allow such a thing to happen. She would just have just told Abraham that he cant do it, and definitely force the jewish/Christian God to take Ismail, instead! Afterall she forced him and his mother out already and why would she now allow the apple of her eyes to be slaughtered or play a merciful woman on Ismail while endangering the life of Isaac to all but certain peril? I do not want to beat down to much Ms. Sarah, since I know that to the Jews and the Christians women are always in the dog house taking all the blames. Thats only your own accusation of her.

We see that the stoning of the devil rite of the Hajj is divided into two; when satan was trying to discourage Ibrahim (AS) from going on for the slaughter and when satan was trying to encourage Hajar the mother of Ismail to intercede and prevent her hsband from carrying out the slaughter of Ismail. The slaughering of ram is the remembrance of this very act, since Allah ransomed the life of Ismail with a ram.

@Davidylan: « #12 on: December 15, 2009, 10:36 PM »

Am i the only one disgusted by the fraudulent and deliberate misquoting of the bible? Was Christ REALLY advocating the stoning to death of disobedient children? Why then did he stop the stoning of the woman caught in adultery? Was He practicing double standards?

David you know how to read? You know the meaning of what you read? If you are deficient in either of the two, no wonder you did not see know that witches are different from adulterer! Both are evil things, but they are different evils from each other. Its like apples and oranges, both fruits, but they are of different fruits, having no more similarities! Does the God of Christians punishes for any offense, sin at all, or its just alot of rules and if you dont obey them, there is no repercussion, no biggie? Did Jesus punish, or will he punish, even those who obliterated the "laws and the prophets?" I know he said they will be the least in the Kingdom, and if being the least is not some kind of everlasting punishment, then there is no way Jesus can do anything to anyone; Muslims and the rest of non-christians are safe from any justice, punishment, hence the lake of fire will contain no one, even the defiant Christians! Bible verses are going against another, rendering the Bible self-destruct!

Careful and HONEST reading of Matthew 15 tells us what was happening . . . the pharisees were trying to trap Christ and His disciples with a LITERAL interpretation of the laws of Moses namely - it is wrong to eat with unwashed hands.

Trapping God and his followers, by common hoodlums? Does this make any sense to you?

[/quote]Well Christ simply countered them by saying . . . if you accuse my disciples of not following the letter of the law then you are also hypocrites for NOT stoning your disobedient children which is also a part of the law.[quote]

You this man called Daviylan is a darn Lance Burton, the Las Vegas magician! You are pulling tricks, and its only trick! The accusation included Jesus and not just his disciples, alone, whereby Jesus, being their leader then the spokeman retorted, if you call us a group of hypocrites, then you the Pharisees are too, for another law different from what you accused us, but a law which you break, anyway! Thats the meaning. Jesus in the worst case scenario saying that if you Pharisee were to prevail and label us "hypocrites" for a minor sin based on the law, you are at least of same quality because you commit a bigger in based on the same law! Both were hypocrites, David and stop sugarcoaring!

Which is why He calls them hypocrites in verse 7.

In this respect, he was simply saying that you see our minor disobedience of the law, while you do not see your own major disobedience! David let me ask, this event was after Jesus declared no one must abrogate the laws and the prophets or was it after? If before, then it shows that he had limited knowledge, aproof that he was just an ordinary man, because he was being forced to correct himself. If it was after, then he was hypocritical because he did not even follow his own rules, no wonder you people do what you like, following no laws, rules, commandments and fear no consequence!

@A. K. O.: Who is greater in the eyes of Christian God, Abraham the father of faith, or the nameless faceless author of Cor you quoted, who said, if he had his way, except that he knew sexual immorality abounded, he would have not advocated marriage, so to quell immorality, every man with his own woman. He did not say marry, and we see that many men introduce their women friends as "my woman, our women"! There are many things wrong with your Cor author;

1). He did not advocate marriage but that every man must have a woman. Proof me wrong.
2). He ignored the fact that every woman needs her own man, too, or even some men. I need correction.
3). Evidently, if he married he was immoral and not fit to give any injuction, since his desire was no marriage at all, if there wasnt immorality.
4). Do you realise that if the author prevailed that Christianity would have died off in a mere 3 to 4 generations of 20 years each? Okay maybe 5?
5). Was the author not an eunich who cant husband a wife, so he covered his track by going against what is natural in mankind; woman/man?
6). If Abrahim married more than 1 wife, Isaac married more than 1 wife, Jacob married more than 1 wife, and Jesus married no wife, why 1 wife?

@Aloy.Emeka: « #54 on: Today at 03:15:57 PMt »

America was built on Christianity. The founding fathers used the bible to rule America and so is majority of Western and Northern Europe until after the renaissance.

America was not built on Christianity. You need to stop. Nobody used the Bible to rule any place, and if they did, killing the natives must be from the Bible. No? The religion only on the tongue and not on the earth does not count, so Christianity does not count. And by the way the founding fathers were rebelling against Kingdom of England! And Europe ruled with Iron Fist and they put their lead feet all over Africa, colonising them. Good religion indeed! You better come here and become a muslim and dont play Ostrich head with your God. You will be sorry at the end in Hell fire, not the fake lake of fire you can tell me where it is, and there are 7 heavens, which one are you going, man?


[Quote]Were they stoned to death for armed robbery? Even if they were, it's not a Christian practice and religion is expected to know better. You cannot draw analogy from what a nation did to others citing their religion rather, use what another religion did to others. Islam should be a place of refuge and not an abattoir for believers.[/quote]Religion is an ordered process including commandments, rules and laws in measure to guide people's lives. If Chistianity doe s not have any, tough, then you guys are just acting on impulses and mere emotions. Things like that are not from God the Creator!
About nation or religion to another not like them, King Emperor (President) Bush started his "resolve" of 911 by saying it is "CRUSADE"! I am sure you can navigate the maze from there! Roman legions, etc fight with the cross on their symbol. Jews fight with Star of David on them, though they call Prophet David an adulterous man (astaghafirullah). You Christians say the same thing, too.


[Quote]I really don't understand what you are portraying but calling Tiger Wood's wife a common nanny is just too cold. Is that how you treat people in Islam?. Christianity views everybody irrespective of your social status as the same because God mad us equal.[/quote]Emeka, if your are ashamed of truth as i continue to ask you of your opinion of your own lover and a man, just say so. Playing semantic is not going to work with me. I am not emotional, so since Christianity is perfect, Jesus called people Fools, Dogs, leaches, Vipers, etc, while you abuse Allah my Creator and your Creator, Prophet Muhammad (AS) the last of the link in the chain of Prophethood consisting of Adam, Anoch, Noah, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub, Yusuf, Musa, Haruun, etc, etc and indeed Isa bin Maryam (AS Jami'a)! Emeka when you abuse or insult Muhammad (AS) you insult all those people and the Creator Who sent them! Now you understand me, since I know that you are as sharp as a tack, and not dumb as a dumbbell!

@Aloy.Emeka: « #52 on: Today at 06:33:03 AM »
[Quote]That is what I keep hearing from muslims but the reverse is always the case in practice. The difference is that they impose sharia on the land and not on muslims alone but in America, the government will not allow religious laws on the land to ensure that non Christians like you can live freely. Imposing sharia on the law makes it impossible for a native to choose another religion and still exist in his or her hometown without running the risk of losing his limbs.[/quote]Emeka, you seem to be so forgetful that I told you that America is not a christian country, to mean her organising or charter was not based on Christianity! America says "in God we strust", the rest (people, etc) is cash (you must pay). America worships "almighty Dollar!", so stop talking about the favor that non christians get in America! Look, Israel is a state on papers organised on the people and religion known as "Jews/Jew". Saudi Arabia is not even organised on Islam but on a tribe of people; the Quraishi, and some other bedouin under the house of Saud. You could say Pakistan is close to this because it severed herself from the majority Hindu, Sihk, etc. But those who know Pakistan well, you will find Christians and Hindu among them and they were not oppressed enough, because India's hindu is just across the border. I cant say that am oppressed in America, though majority Christians, but I do know there are things I cant do because I am a muslim. Most of the time, I have to get white people in sensitive and high stake situations. Thats just my islamic reality!

Sharia was not in play in Nigeria that Joseph Eyasimo, Nwobodo, Babatunde Folorunsho were killed in Lagos for armed robbery (in Islam it would not have cost them their lives) in 1970 or71. Oyenusi a year later! Muslim was not the head of the government, the darn disbeliever Gowon was. One of the big plunderer of Nigerian wealth, spending millions on wedding in the middle of the Civil War! that shameless hog!



[Quote]So you think the best way to handle Tiger Woods is by stoning him to death so his wife can have some closure?[/quote]I asked you about a man bellowing a woman you love you are talking about Tiger Woods and his wife! Okay maybe you can answer the supposition if the woman was cooperating with the bellowing bandit. But if she was saying help, Emeka, am not cooperating but he is forcing me? What will you do with the man, or what will you allow the community to do with him? I said my girl Ohsisi, the "most liberal woman on earth (lol I hope she does not believe that qualification) said that she will get the blood sister thrown out and keep her man, no wonder you did not answer but hounding on Tiger! Tiger Woods's wife, a common nanny (am not a classist, but the truth be told) was elevated to a millionaire woman, and a billionaire's wife, yet she is hopping mad of her husband's indiscreetions. I dont blame her, mind you but can you imagine if there is no law restricting her, rather her restricting herself from hurting him, not only his lips would have been bloodied, but even his brain, reaping his heart out without any mercy? What sharia at least put in place if you did not get it, is to stop the terrible actions of people like Tiger Woods who are married, yet all over the place, diminishing the value of institution of marriage, making his wife a laughing stock, etc and who knows what kinda disease that he might have spread, putting many lifes in danger! I hope you get it.

I asked a very simple question on Google: Why did the Jews flock to Madina before Muhammad (AS) arrived in thaat city? Below is a web reult, etc.

www.islamanswers.net/Prophet/jews.htm - Cached


Did the Jews and Christians of that time recognize prophet Muhammad and expect his coming?

All the Jews and Christians of that time recognized God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings. As stated in the Qur’an, They recognize him as they recognize their sons (al-Baqara, 2.146). After his conversion, ‘Umar asked ‘Adbullah ibn Salam if he had recognized God’s Messen-ger. ‘I recognized him’, Ibn Salam answered and added, ‘I may doubt my children – my wife might have deceived me; but I have no doubt about God’s Messenger being the Last Prophet.’1

Especially the Jews in Madina were awaiting the coming of a Prophet and expected that he would appear in Madina. Whenever a conflict appeared between them and the Arab people of Madina – the Aws and Hajrac tribes – they threatened them that they would destroy them when the Prophet appeared. However, although they recognized the Prophet Muhammad as they recognized their sons, they rejected him only because he did not belong to their tribe:

When there comes to them a Book from the presence of God, confirming that with them – though before that they were expecting a triumph over those who unbelieve – and when there came to them what they recognized, they unbelieved in him. The curse of God is on unbelievers. (2:89)

Most of the Jews and Christians recognized him, most were envious of him and, because of their prejudice and envy, were left deprived of belief.

When there came to them a Book from God confirming what was with them – and they aforetime prayed for victory over the unbelievers – when there came to them what they recognized, they unbelieved in it; and the curse of God is on the unbelievers. (al-Baqara, 2.89)

After his conversion, ‘Adbullah ibn Salam said to God’s Messenger, upon him be peace and blessings: ‘O Messenger of God, hide me in a corner and then summon all the Jewish scholars in Madina to ask about me and my father. Their assessment will certainly be positive. Then let me come out to declare my conversion.’, (read more on your own).


The conversion of Salman al-Farisi

The Prophet Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, was one who had been sought for centuries. Salman al-Farisi was one of those seekers. Originally he was a Magian, a fire worshipper. However, he was inwardly burning to find the eternal truth, and left home. Before embracing Islam, he had worked for several Christian monks, the last of whom advised Salman on his deathbed:, *read more on your own).




Once, after one of his Companions passed away, I attended the funeral, and I came close to God’s Messenger in the cemetery. After greeting him, I stood behind him in the hope of seeing the seal of Prophethood. His shoulders were bare. The seal was just as the monk had de-scribed it. I couldn’t help kissing it in tears and I told him my story. He was very pleased and wanted also his Companions to hear my story.3

1. Mukhtasar Tafsir Ibn al-Kathir, 1.140.

2. Bukhari, al-Anbiya’, Bab Khalq Adam, 2.

3. Ibn Hisham, Sira, 1.228–34

@Nuclearboy: « #418 on: Yesterday at 12:14:53 PM »

The Jewish Torah pointed to a day when a Messiah would come and deliver the Jews. The preferred interpretation given to this by the religious leaders was that this messiah would come as a military force that would conquer the world (particularly the cruel Romans) and place Israel in a position of supremacy on the world stage. Till today, some Jews are still expecting that messiah. And that messiah was to be called "the Mighty God, the Prince of Peace, etc", not a prophet of God.

Apatrt from the fact that you of your own simple understanding cant understand the history or story of the Jews as to what they expect of their savior as much or even more than they understand. Or is that possible, since there is nothing from Jesus to say that jesus was this expected person, and if there is please show me, if there is not, then how do you arrive at jesus, being "The Mighty God" when he has an Everliving God, Who is his God One Lord, or the Prince of peace when they were expecting a warrior, since Moses was a warrior and was able to save them from Pharaoh, while the gentle big brother Aaron could not have been able to do it, etc and not a prophet when he Jesus said that he was a prophet and nothing more?

It was in light of Jesus not being a soldier messiah, that the Jews preferred to reject Him. Have you ever noticed that the NT quote about them wanting His life because "He maketh Himself God yet being man"? Also that they feared his growing followership as it negated their own power?

Is there no limit to your lies? If they rejected him because he was not a soldier massiah, since it was the soldier Massiah that they were expecting, how is it that just making himself God yet being man playing in the rejection equation of not being soldier massiah? How is a powerless man who is not a soldier massiah threatening their own "power" just by mere increase in followership, but yet not a soldier Massiah for a people lie the children of Israel know that mere population without fighting spirit can do nothing to a smaller population with tremendous military might!? Your argument are fighting against itself.

So when you say Jesus didn't say He was God, you are not being truthful else why the above quote? Please do not start with "corrupted Bible" since it was this same Bible you quoted earlier to, (you thought) support yourself.

Could you quote direct verses where Jesus said he is God Almighty Creator of all things, Uncreated by the Only Creator? I hope you can be sincere, a thing of high feat? Maybe impossible, I dont know.

By the way, the "religious guys" of those days interpreted things "THEIR PREFERRED WAY", rather than God's way. But they were wrong. Seems familiar and distinctly resembling what obtains today.

Plese nuclearboy show us, side by side the interpretations of the religious guys of those days, then the religious guys of your day/the one you subscribe to, and where is the "God's way", so that we know where there is truth and what is the truth. I wanna know where the God's way was cropped from; today's Bible or the Bible of those olden days; which Bible production, version, edition, etc contains "God's way" and which one are you using to shoot down the Old time "religious guys"?

@Toba; « #50 on: Today at 10:56:56 PM »

Must their always be a capital punishment for all big offences? As tiger committing adultery,now capital purnishment shd now be stoning,flogging/cutting his manhood as a deterent to others? No.All offences deserves purnishment,yet cutting d head is not d solution to headache.If God were to purnish all our daily gravious sins with gravious purnishment,then d entire world would have been wiped out.Therefore lets soften d hand of religious capital purnishment

can you tell me that jewish and christian "God" never kill anyone, or ask that somebody be killed, punished or not for religious reason?

@Mazaje: « #9 on: Today at 07:07:50 PM »

Quote from: muhsin on Today at 05:10:00 PM
Hi, Realtol

What IbrahimB said is true. I, for example, saw this OP since yesterday but I ignored it. Why? The way you pose questions to Muslims about their faith carries neither seriousness nor respect. Unless you rafrain from doing so you'll not be getting answers.

Remember this popular saying: respect begets respect.


Your guys give yourselves too much credit you don't deserve at all. . .what "answers" do you really have beside special pleading and crying that your irrational beliefs should not be questioned and respected at all times. . .

From the bloded, Mazaje, do you have any belief or you are just alive, and care for nothing at all, because even the birlds of the sky care. Every beast cares for something, and you are a human, I expect at least that much as a beast from you. No?

@Aloy.Emeka: « #47 on: Today at 07:12:31 PM »  

Once again, you are making the erroneous assumption that every westerner is a Christian and their government is an extension of the Christendom. You live in NY and are probably an American citizen yet you are not a Christian. Is the government not making life easier for you by making sure Christians don't impose their belief on you?. You may rise tomorrow to be a lawmaker for the state of NY yet you are a muslim.

It is you guys who make a big deal of the west being Christian country, forgetting that you have jews, and others and indeed muslim indegents, from the bloodlines of those who lost their religions because of slavery, and those who are transplants, like me. The governance of America is not christianity, and if you read the agreement/treaty/constiyution of people of Madina, you will see similarity, including government should not make any laws that infringes on individual rights. Muhammad (AS) did not make any law on any personal rights. Christians and jews and others who are not muslims can consume alcohol in their own homes, just like it is not permissable in any street USA! America is not a christian state, so you guys should stop using it to justify your christian weak arguments, even though majority say they are christians. Making life easy for me is the rule of law of the United States, not the law of Christianity, for if Davidylan or Ohsisi have their ways, they will string me up and haul me into one of the mega churches for a forced confession< Olseen may just be the stadium like church!



[Quote]Yes as long as you limit Christianity to only Christians and not Westerners. I believe Jude's case is still different from what we were discussing which is the barbaric acts seen in the Islamic sharia law and whether Mohammed endorsed them.[/quote]Emeka, let me ask you, if a man walked in with a fist of dollars and spend and spend and spend until he rides a woman you love, if you arrive at one of this ride, what will you do? You will not want his head on a platter, or you will just say, hey my frined you are a good rider carry on and come back anytime, even in the middle of the night when you are already in bed, even if you want to ride but his ride will be a first priority? My man, stop being unrealistic. I remember Ohsisi saying that if she ever were to see her blood sister making a hint of move on her man, the sister is gone. Which is closer; relationship by marriage or that by blood? Yet my girl was willing to throw the innocent girl who probably is very impressionable out, just for the man!

Well in my case, I know what to do; if a man rides my wife, I will be mad as can be, will wish then no good as I learn about it, but my wife will be not my wife from that second, and just only in her head. The point that am making is evil is evil and people reach to it differently. Allah allows the harshest punishment, under the protocol of Sharia. Yet some may even forgive. The most extreme through the ranges of wholesale forgiveness are permissable; as in murder.

Whats barbaric about Sharia that was valid then and its not valid now? Are humans not humans anymore? Do people dont use the bathrooms, anymore? The humans now have 2 heads? Is this time not the right time that the law of Sharia is very applicable, since you have bed hoppers of men and women? Look at Tiger Woods, with almost 11 or more women, whereby it is being reported that his wife is leaving him. Is that not enough humiliation in the heart of the woman that if there is no law against hurting Tiger more than she has done, by now we may be saying something else?