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Quote from: olabowale on Today at 01:25:15 PM
@Aloy~Emeka: a disbeliever is anyone who does not believe God Almighty Creator is Singly One (this is your case Emeka, as you believe that God must be three components; Yahweh/Jehovah combo, then Ghost/Spirit combo and Jesus/son combo)! The others are those who have other views, just as long as it is not Islamic. You sir, Mr. Emeka is a Kafir (a disbeliever or coverer or denier of truth, in the light of reality)!

Olabowale,Islam does not believe in a SINGLE God?

My proof below :

If no one is like unto the *Allah* of the Qur'an, then who are those who do exactly the same thing as he does:
Question 1. Are there more than one *Allah* as creator in the Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! Read the following:
Sura 6 vs.94
"And behold! ye come to Us bare and alone as We created you for the first time: ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you. . ."
Sura 7 vs.11
"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate."
Q.23 vs.12
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth"
Q.51 vs.47-49
"And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample. . .And the earth, We have made it a wide extent; how well have We then spread (it) out. . . And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction."
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Question 2. Are there more than one *Allah* that people pray to in Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! See for yourself:
Sura 10 vs.12
"When trouble toucheth a man, he crieth unto Us (in all postures)- lying down on his side, or sitting, or standing. But when We have solved his trouble, he passeth on his way as if he had never cried to Us for a trouble that touched him! thus do the deeds of transgressors seem fair in their eyes!"
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Question 3. Are there more than one *Allah* that is being worshipped in Islam?
Qur'an answers with an emphatic YES!! Check it out for yourself:
Q.21 vs.73
"And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve" (translated by Pickthal, the verse truly reads: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone)." - meaning that more than one *allah* is being worshipped by Muslims and they don't even know it!!).
The Qur'an even states that this polytheistic gods in Islam will be the judges of all Muslims:
Q.21 vs.35
"Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. to Us must ye return."
So, olabowale. . . you see that your monotheism is actually polytheism disguised; and though you can swear by Muhammad, it does not change the fact that there are several "gods" being worshipped by Muslims. The Qur'an declares more than one *allah* who say that "Verily We created man" (analysis: "WE" is not equal to monotheism); it is these many *allahs* that Muslims blindly worship, as they testified: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone).". . . and it is to these many "gods" that they pray to >> he crieth unto Us (in all postures)- !

So when you criticise the TRINITY, know that Islam has something similar.

Your ridiculous argument does not make sense, and fails to put in consideration "the Majestic Pronouns" of we, us, our etc! I beg woman, go sidon because we have explained this issue a thousand times in many ways even as recently as less than 2 months ago. A powerful husband can address himself as "We" to honor himself while talking to his wife. A mothere can say that to excite her husband. In yoruba language, Iyawo can say "awa ju iyawo lason lo (We are more than just a mere wife)!" This issue is different from your Trinity consisting of Father, separate, son separate, and ghost separate. I hope for your own argument, why dont you tell me who are the "We" that Allah is talking about, while I show you who your gods are, Jesus spoke, ghost spoke and father did all the speaking. Please who spoke except Allah?

Yet, you may not know it - but these many deities cannot save, and Muhammad himself had no assurance towards the end of his life after serving, praying to, worshipping and crying to these many *allahs* >>

Good argument is always lost on foolishness. Allah says in many Surah, so I will give you the last verse of Surah Fajr, where it is clear that Muslims will enter Paradise. Who is the leader of mankind in Islamic religion? Muhammad (AS)> Who will be the first to enter Paradise? Muhammad and it is after that that you have other prophets, Jesus the son of Mary (AS) included will enter and never before, which Allah is Enough as my Witness.

Sahih Muslim, [10], Book 4, Number 1212:
Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet entered my house when a Jewess was with me and she was saying: Do you know that you would be put to trial in the grave? The Messenger of Allah trembled (on hearing this) and said: It is the Jews only who would be put to trial. Aisha said: We passed some nights and then the Messenger of Allah said: Do you know that it has been revealed to me: "You would be put to trial in the grave"? Aisha said: I heard the Messenger of Allah seeking refuge from the torment of the grave after this."

The fact that Muhammad seek refuge does not mean that he is not sure, but asserts that he is not arrogance even as a messenger and prophet of his Lord, and only a sign of deserving humility. If I continue to seek protection from illegal sexual crimes, it should not be seem that am a sexual deviant, but simply because I do want protection against even nearing such crime. This is even simple that you should now understand it. The case of the prophet (AS) is very clear, and no punishment or test for him in the grave Alhamdulillah!

Allahu Akbar was not associated with death, in the time of the prophet (AS). Those who say it and kill people have invented something different. Islam is complete before the prophet died. When a person is dying he/she should say Laa ilaha ilallah. Thats Sunnah.

Interestingly, killing is forbidden in Islam. Unjust killing is doubly forbidden. So those who kill unjustly and shout Allahu Akbar, their condition is not of Islam.

And suicide is forbidden, also.

If many in Islam are acting against Islam, it still does not take Islam from what it is. If all are cating contrary to Islam, it means they are hypocrites, saying they ae muslims only by their tongue! Their hearts are evil.

@Toba: « #14 on: Yesterday at 03:35:50 PM »

@remii.U dnt know olabowole evrything about him is insultive&abusive.I dnt understand d kind of person he is.Evry1 posting in islam section knows he doesnt know how to reply.Is it d quran that ask him to be maopic in thinking? With his style he will let pple call islam a war religion.Remii in his post(olabowale) he singled out realtor,emeka,nuclearboy&myself as pig&unbeleivers.Is it reasonable for him as a yoruba man & an adult to do so? He wants war of words&im prepared for him till whenever it lasts

You are an unbeliever by Islam. I am an unbeliever by Christianity. But there is never a place I call you either by religion or by tribe pig. I have heard many christans call muslims of the north Malu or nama! Now tell me who is unjust between you and I? I have read your post enough to know that your opinion of me, of muslims, of Islam will not change, until we all become christians. I have news for you, it will not happen! We have come a long way, and out destination does not depend on you.


@luvola: « #15 on: Yesterday at 05:29:37 PM »

@ remi - i xect sir olabowale as an adult to avoid being insultive , who told him dat all xtians eat pigs ? non of my family including me has ever ate pig b 4. i xpect him as an adult to b our role model irrespective of relig d/f but e behave lik a fanatics, sentimental, hav adult lik him at my cribs dat ar muslims and aren't behaving d way e behave. u can never b my mentor

Stop saying things that are not correct about me. I do not insult anyone, until I realise that they will not stop until I let them know that I am not without ability to respond. There is nothing fanatical about me. My business associate is a Christian, and I have never pushed Islam on her. And your people who are muslim must be proud if they know how much you hate the religion of your forebearers after they stop worshipping Idols of yoruba tribes. If you dont eat pig, it is your choice, but my religion prohibits it for me, so I do not have choice in it! Thats the difference.


@Remi; Thanks. These people will want to shove their ideas down your throat. If you resist, you are a bad person. In my entire life, I have dealt with people as humans, ignoring their religion(s). I have many Jews and countless Christians as close associates. I go to their functions, rejoicing in all their successes, and share in their sorrows. It is among Nigerian Christians that I have encountered so much viles. It started with Havilla in 2006, against Mukina2, the reason I registered on Nairaland. Otherwise, I could just have been guest, an occasional reader of posts! And since them, many have been unabashed at their lies against my prophet (AS) by the many accusations. The list is unending.

@Noetic15: The Origin of the Word Allah is from Allah Himself, the Creator of all things. Afterall, He created the Arabic Language. Even your soiled Sutana is created for your idiotic disbelieving heart! Arent you the chief of idolworshippers since God in your view can never be Single, but multiple persons always; Jehovah?Yahweh who must always have children and one being the only begotten, Ghost/spirit who has no real power except to be a doormat/errant thing and the begotten son/Jesus of the Bible?

Noetic, tell me, who is an idol worshipper between you and I? You are, obviously, with your miltiple gods, like Onishongos, etc!

@Aloy~Emeka: a disbeliever is anyone who does not believe God Almighty Creator is Singly One (this is your case Emeka, as you believe that God must be three components; Yahweh/Jehovah combo, then Ghost/Spirit combo and Jesus/son combo)! The others are those who have other views, just as long as it is not Islamic. You sir, Mr. Emeka is a Kafir (a disbeliever or coverer or denier of truth, in the light of reality)!

@no2Atheism:

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- Please save me the nonsense . . . I do not reckon with your Allah cus he is just a mere Moon God as far as I am concerned . . . hence I do not have any respect for anyone that continues to bows down to the idol known as Allah. . . despite after knowing the truth about Mohammed (being a liar, peadophile and so on), Allah (being a moon god and so on) and Islam (propagated through either marriage to as many women as possible, bribery, deceit, al taqiyah, forced conversion, violence and intimidation)

evidently the same opinion i have about you and your Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, ghost, etc, etc, a concortion of all that you worship and you and your comrades of idol worshippers!

- The sad thing is that a few educated Yoruba muslims are also starting to behave like there northern counterparts, meaning that at some point in the future: THERE IS BOUND TO BE RELIGIOUS PROBLEM IN YORUBA LAND.

Since you are never a yoruba dont worry about the tribe. We will survive, regardless of our differences in reigions; believers and the idol worshippers; Christians and animists. Remember we live side by side and even within the same family structures. And if you are a yoruba, evidently, you dont know the history of the yorubas. We are survivals, bar-none and it is not a boast and no lies about it. we are not homogenous in our efforts.

- Mohammed is a liar and peadophile . . .

So is Biblical Jesus, different from Isa bin Maryam (AS)!

- Allah is the moon god hence i can careless about muslim feelings . . .I have had enough of muslim Nigerians creating problems for non-muslim Nigerians. . . first it was killing of christians in the north, now it is being exported to Western countries hence thereby creating problems for other Nigerians in those countries . . .

My opinions of your gods from the Bible. And my attitude towards your feelings, butt kissers of the highest order around the world; always the first to deny their origins! Islam does not glorify terror and it does not permit the killing except in rare condition and that is not to say that even in this rare occasion that full scale forgiveness is not allowed, for it is! So enough of your Hausa or northern and Islamic bashing while you are kissing up to the yorubas. We the yorubas dont want your kissing up. And if you are yoruba, we the muslims from this tribe dont want your concern! Now am politically frank! The earth belong completely only to its Creator, and it aint Jesus, or some ghost or tribal god; Yahweh, Jehovah. Take that to the bank, or put it in your pipe and smoke it, or your drinking mug for a complete drink up.

I though you have something in that vessel all along. But then I now know that it is an incorrect assumption!

@No2atheism: Could you try to call yourself no to rational thinking? how many muslims in Nigeria and the world over, whereby a few (lets just say a million for argument sake, lets even say 1 million too in the issue of nigerian 419. is 1 million enough to sinerely broad stroke either group, without consideration to some among them who do not fit the hallmark?) now defines presently over 1.5 billions people?

how about christianity or judaism or other religions and cults; do you have some actions that can be termed terrorism act(s) by a single soul on the planet? if there had been one, could those people who were affected be happy just because the actors are not muslims? I was reading something yeaterday about the people of Israel were the inventors of terrorism; Ishak Shamir, and others including menechem began killed people behind the cloud  of their israeli nation struggle.

a person who intended to kill anybody, especially an innocent person who has done nothing to you, directly to undermine your existence is a terrorist. Islam teaches that no one should start a fight. but if you are to fight however, there is guideline to follow. that includes protecting a party from those whom you are fighting, when they want your protection agianst their own comrade, etc.

Christianity has no such guideline, and definitely the jews are worse, and everything spiral even steeper in evil deeds, as you go to other groups. Look Islam calls for no consumption of alcohol, yet you have some indulging in it. this is just an example of some possibility of a few rotten apples in a bushel or many bushels. there is no homogenous community on earth. the 23 years old guy, whatever made him do this evil thing, only he and the All Knower know. As a muslim, i will not worry myself too much about what another man, who is a muslim does, espectially when it is against Islam. its the same way that i off handledly dismiss those who marry more than four wives, or those who engage in businesses that Islam advocates against, or those who keep malice or those who meter out "justice or punishment" that is obviously against the rule of Islamic Sharia!

I am grateful to Allah for allowing my heart to have Islamic Faith, even in the face of its unpopularity. And dont wish me merry christmas, since am not a christian, and all those I know did not wish me well in my own Islamic celebrations, which I did not impose on them. But they havent stopped wishing me from what they celebrate.

luvola, where did i call xtains, pigs or pig? saying we are out of your way so that you may have the whole pig is that you may cook pigs, and darn know we dont eat it, in normal situation. so what are you people talking about concerning my statement of pigs, or do you eat one another, too?

emeka is hypocritical. at least for now he is a christian, a disbeliever. thats his choice. he will make his own final bed, which he must lie in. he can go to the fire if he does die as anything but a muslim. you too, toba.

@Toba; you better stop deceiving yourself. jesus was not a human? did he eat bread and fish? of course he did, and humans, animals, etc eat. We know that angels dont eat!

was Jesus born? Yes! I was born, and even Adam and Eve were not born!

Jesusrose from coma or faint. So many have been declared dead and they rose, too.

Jesus performed miracles. So many prophets did. So where is the special feature that you are talking about?

And Oral Roberts kept the commandments, and today he is dead! All of you will hope to be raptured. And I am certain that you will wait in vain!

@toba; how could anything logical make sense to you? if it makes sense to you, you will not remain a christian for one minute. if One God without multiple personalities is not good enough until that God becomes 3 persons, in essence coming out with gods, why will you not deny the christianity based calendar and tell us it is secular!

We in islam do not deal with any matter if it does not compliment Islam. We have a forever standing road map; the Quran being analysed by the hadith/sunnah. Why should we leave that and jump into anything and everything just because christians are working for shaitan to seduce us?

i will ignore your greeting. this evening they were showing on CNN a christian program; After Jesus, the first Century Christians, a very enlightening program, i must say. the host liam nesson, the shinler's list movie fame. listen, emeka, if you say it, your opinion will change, or at least your conscience, if you have a stable one, will pinch you, if just a little! i grinned without the hahaha that goes along with laughter.

are you wearing the silly paper hat man?

and All Honors belong to Allah the Almighty Creator of all things. Unique in every way and there is nothing of Him is similar to mankind. And nothing of human that is not of His creation. And no other, but He, Alone! Now that is worth the only belive!

@N101: We have our own New Year. We have our two major celebrations. These are enough. We follow Muhammad and what he said are permissable among of the prophets before him (AS). So we just do what those prophets did, as allowed by Muhammad!

Calendar may be secular, but our is Hijra based.

john never married. So not being married is now the thing that elevates? for sure then the homos are the most elevated, by your statement.

and there is no prophet after Muhammad (AS). all the lying ones are even in nigeria, today. count them man.

Muhammad (AS) by Surah Isra and najm and ahadith concering Isra wa Miraj is not honored less than Ruh. So what are you saying, man? Toba is loss for words.

this is my selective abuse; the clique include Toba, Realtol, and Nuclearboy (sometimes)! So what are you mooping for, man?

I am only a human being: May Allah Forgive me, and all Muslims (Amin).

my mother victoria told me to forget it in 2002. Today Maryam Samuel is a devoted Muslim. Sandra Williams said forget it. then her motehr, her father, her sister, her brother, her cousin, all of the household became muslim through this woman. She is on Youth Service in Ondo state. What about my woman Zaynab? She never thought she would ever become a muslim. Alhamdulillah, she is today. Even you Toba, am not writing you off, yet. Only Allah can do that and thats on death bed!

Emeka can be whatever Allah Wills for him.

Aloy.Emeka, I swear by Allah, many who were born and raised outside Islam, and later became Muslims are great students of Islamic knowledge, today. Some of them are nigerians. Others that I know are americans, and others; all the colors of rainbow. The compilers of ahadith; eg. Bukhari, Muslim, etc none was arab.

I now read arabic. All my life until into my 40th year and more, I did not know anything about arabic, etc. I could not read in those years. Allah may just open your heart to acquire knowledge; afterall, Muhammad (AS) could not read, since Allah calls him "unlettered." Are you an unlettered, Emeka? If not, you have a chance to acquire knowledge enough to guide you to Paradise from what Allah gave the Unlettered Messenger (AS).

Prostrate yourself in humility to your Creator, The One God, Indivisible, etc!

imagine if its Tunnytox wife that is like Tiger Woods, Tunnytox would have put her and her lovers 6ft under by now. OMG!

No one put him/herself in the shoes of the victim, but always clouded with immorality and running away from reality, until they have to turn the other cheek. Then you see them pre empting, and how then do they justify putting in turning other cheek; decoration?

@Usisky; I hope your usage of demise in this case simply means "Failure" and it is not "Death?"

Why dont you leave Lagosboy and ifyalways alone in their dialogue?

If Yaaumu Ashura is the 10th of Muharam, then it is not important to the day of Ashura any fast done on the 8th. The 9th is to be combined with the 10th based on the ahadith of the messenger (AS).

And the death of Hussaine being on the day of Ashura is merely a coincidence. If you attach this with Ashura, you have fallen away from the Sunnah.
Afterall, the death of his son Ibrahim (ra) happened same day before the eclipse of the Sun, and the messenger (AS) did not allow the Madina community of believers (RA) to associate them together! Why would we allow the grandson's death to be associated falsely with a condition that started with Prophet Musa (AS) millennia before?

i didnt say anything to say am not an adult. I am not being sentimental. I am factual. Every day somebody is sending me a Yuletide greeting, when they know that am a muslim, and their yuletide means nothing to me. They didnt send me a single greeting in any of mine. They even complained that I simply went to pray for just few hours, yet they have the gut to be pushing theirs on me! Luvola, is that how to have good inter-personal relationship?

I would like to know the position of Islam on his state of health because I have been reliably informed that in Islam you cannot become a Chief Imam if you are physically deformed in anyway,not married,impotent,childless and terminally ill so that you cannot lead prayers.Will these strict conditions apply to our leaders like the President,Governors and the Chief Justice of the Federation?

Allah's Messenger (AS) says "whoever seek a position, do not give it to him." This statement is enough, to disqualify those politicians, they must have ulterior motive for wanting a position no one nominate them for! No one forces them to attain the position, and whats the benefit for them as they spend millions to reach a position that pays only thousands. If this was a business decision, the captain of the company should be long gone. If the Captain cant discharge his duty, for the benefit and solvency of the company, should it not be a wise thing that said captain allows those in positions to carry on do so, so that the company have a fighting chance?

By the way, all the qualifications that you list, if at all any is relevant for imamship/leadership in Islam take(s) a far second place to the most important; piety in Allah and respect in the community, for you need people who are community builders, and good examples of consciousness of God to lead.

@Aloy.Emeka: « #2 on: Today at 12:47:48 AM »

Jacob's bloodline are who?. I've never heard of people who doesn't eat the hind legs of a cow

Children of Israel are jacob bloodline. You call them Jews. When I call them Jews, I am making fun of them. They dont eat hindquarter/ leg of cattle because of the struggle with angel! You dont even know the Bible, you better become Muslim.

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A silly man comment up there. @Olabowale y don't u cool your temper man? If the truth sting u in the face, is better u shut the trap up than 4 u to expose your cockroach-equal brain 2 d whole world. I asked a straight question which call 4 a Yes/No answer and u started spilling rubrish here. Well since u hv been brainwashed y won't u defend a powerless, defenceless, stinking allah. Now answer me does it pay allah 4 a man to repent or 2 be stone gbam gbam gbo gbo. Yes/No, don'tgv me comic relief but something but if u disapoint me i won't vex coz i know da type of brain u had. Scew u man.

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A silly man comment up there. @Olabowale y don't u cool your temper man? If the truth sting u in the face, is better u shut the trap up than 4 u to expose your cockroach-equal brain 2 d whole world. I asked a straight question which call 4 a Yes/No answer and u started spilling rubrish here. Well since u hv been brainwashed y won't u defend a powerless, defenceless, stinking allah. Now answer me does it pay allah 4 a man to repent or 2 be stone gbam gbam gbo gbo. Yes/No, don'tgv me comic relief but something but if u disapoint me i won't vex coz i know da type of brain u had. Scew u man.

Imagine a man who cant "click Once", but always have to be 2 or more entries saying my brain is equal to cockroach's? If I didnt know many blondes who have brain, I could have likened you to "dumb blonde!"

Will it not pay God if a man were to repent, instead of remaining a sinner? I am going to assume that if you are not a father, then you are a son of some parents, and must have somebody younger than you in your immediate family or surrounding homes. If you cant be discipline any longer because you are now a "fake adult", you will see that young people are disciplined by parents who expect "a set of expections" from them. Do the parents not get profitable because their children get disciplined by them? Yes they do, because the child knows who is the authority and will not make light of their commands in the future, and glearing examples for other children in the family and or the other families that bad behaviors do merit consequences! If parent who depends on God can discipline disobedients under his authority why would you think God has no Right to do so? And you christians coyly say in your prayers " as it is done in heaven, so it is done on earth". You punish the ingrately obtrused on earth, to keep the community uncorrupted, and you overlook those whose faults are light (a slap in the wrist), or in secret!

Did Jehovah or Yahweh ever forgive anyone? Please pay attention to Pharaoh and others including people of Jericho, etc! I leave Jesus out of this because I dont want to remind you of all the gbam gbam gbo gbo of Jesus, from turning over the table to commanding the purchases of swords, to condemning the thief on the left! Can you give me a yes or no about Jehovah/Yahweh, please, oniroo. Iro foo e nfun, even in christmas time, you will not stop Paro ing! I hope you have your Christmas hat on?

aloy.emeka; only one child survived the prophet[as]. her name was fatima binta muhammad, zaujati ali bin abitalib [ra]. and she died 6 months after her father, as her father had prophetically said when he was dying.

now where did fatima took up arm for anything? show it to me.if you know a child other than fatima surviving him, let me know.


and the day of ashura is coming this sunday, which we take up fasting because of musa's tradition of fasting on that day, to humble himself before Allah for victory over pharaoh. muhammad [as] told us to fast day and additional day before it or after it.

what the people who flagellate themselves on this day is not truly because of anything islamic, [no part of the Quran or Hadith/Sunnah that says you can hurt yourself], but their own desire, just like the imposition of jacob on himself of not eating the hind legs of cattle. a tradition that his bloodline foolishly practice to this day.

ode to to iwo realtol yi o si ni ile nigeria. iwo ma fi enu e horaa ni?

the sinners who died according to your christian belief, where do they go, you basic minded man? You are so funny I cant stand your jokes! ewwww.


as much as the door of repentance is opened until death, so when a person dies, should there not be a consequence for the deeds; good or evil?

Emeka shall you let your anger toward and hatred of somebody waylay you from entering paradise? Dont be unjust to your own soul.

dont behave like the two disbelieving uncles of the prophet (AS), as they died as disbelievers!

AbiLahab (lanatullahi alal kafirin) died without entering Islam for one moment just to disproof Quran Which had said of him in Surah Lahab that he will never believe.

AbiTalib who allowed Abu Jahal (Lanatullahi alal kafirin) to stop him from simply repeating the shahadah, even in jest, since Muhammad (AS) said to him "Oh my Uncle, just say there is no deity worthy of worship along with GOD". the disbeliever allowed another disbeliever to stop him from acquiesce his beloved nephew he so much showed love for.

@toba: his name is muhsin, a doer of good! mushin is an area of lagos, so get your mind out of mushin to muhsini for a moment. but then jesus in his peace making overturn tables of old people trading, exactly what the bankers of today do, most of them being chrsitians. jesus said he brought war and not peace, setting members of the same family against one another. asking people to buy sword, if they dont ave a bag which must contain just as lethal as sword.

oh, yes, Jesus was not a warlord and a jihadist, but only in theory and in the many parables; bring the people who will not let theking rule infront of the king and slain them!

great peace maker, same before hitler actually acted upon his own theory, before he initiated what finally became second world war!

luvola is funny. we are trying to let you have the whole pig, and wine and palm wine, etc and the silly hats, etc! so you are complaining that we are now out of your way and you should have the whole hog to yourselves?

i am wondering if these christians will not self destruct, since luvola cant even take care of self without haveing the muslims to pounce upon? i have had so any wishing me compliment of the season, or something like that, with their silly emails, etc, and phones. And in my celebrations, i do avoid their sense of sensibilities, not bringing mine to them.

luvola go eat a side of pig, and keep your partying and celebration to yourself! I heard a smart person saying "mother of god" this afternoon, and I cant believe she will say god has a mother. such is your condition; as you smear God with whatever comes to your mind.

Salman was a very strict and just man. Among some spoils which were distributed one day was cloth out of which each companion had one piece of clothing cut. One day `Umar got up to speak and said: "Lower your voices so that I may hear you." He was wearing two pieces of that cloth. Salman said, "By God, we will not hear you, because you prefer yourself to your people." "How is that?" asked Umar. He said: "You are wearing two pieces of cloth and everyone else is wearing only one." Umar called out: "O Abdullah!" No one answered him. He said again, "O Abdullah ibn Umar!" Abdullah, his son called out: "At your service!" Umar said, "I ask you by God, don't you say that the second piece is yours?" Abdullah said "Yes." Salman said: "Now we shall hear you."

At night Salman would begin to pray. If he got tired, he would start making dhikr by tongue. When his tongue would get tired, he would contemplate and meditate on Allah's power and greatness in creation. He would then say to himself, "O my ego, you took your rest, now get up and pray." Then he would make dhikr again, then meditate, and so forth all night long.

Bukhai relates two hadiths which show the Prophet's consideration for Salman:

Abu Huraira relates: While we were sitting with the Holy Prophet , surat al-Jumu`a was revealed to him. When the Prophet recited the verse, "And He (Allah) has sent him (Muhammad) also to others (than the Arabs), " [62:3] I said, "Who are they, O Allah's Apostle?" The Prophet did not reply till I repeated my question thrice. At that time Salman al-Farisi was with us. Allah's Apostle put his hand on Salman, saying: "If faith were at ath-Thurayya (the Pleiades, very distant stars), even then some men from these people (i.e. Salman's folk) would attain it."

Abu Juhayfa relates: The Prophet made a bond of brotherhood between Salman and Abu ad-Darda al-Ansari . Salman paid a visit to Abu ad-Darda' and found Um ad-Darda' (his wife) dressed in shabby clothes. He asked her why she was in that state. She said, "Your brother Abu ad-Darda' is not interested in the luxuries of this world." In the meantime Abu ad-Darda' came and prepared a meal for Salman. Salman requested Abu ad-Darda' to eat with him, but Abu ad-Darda' said, "I am fasting." Salman said, "I am not going to eat unless you eat." So Abu ad-Darda' ate with Salman. When it was night and a part of the night has passed, Abu ad-Darda' got up (to offer the night prayer), but Salman told him to sleep and Abu ad-Darda slept. After some time Abu ad-Darda' again got up but Salman told him to sleep. When it was the last hours of the night, Salman told him to get up then, and both of them offered the prayer. Salman told Abu ad-Darda', "Your Lord has a right on you, your soul has a right on you, and your family has a right on you. Abu ad-Darda' came to the Prophet and narrated the whole story. The Prophet said, "Salman has spoken the truth."

He passed away in 33 A.H. during the reign of `Uthman . He passed his Secret on to Abu Bakr's grandson, Imam Abu `Abdur Rahman Qassim ibn Muhammad ibn Abi Bakr as-Siddiq .

At-Tabari recounts that in the year 16 A.H. the Muslim army turned to the Persian front. In order to confront the Persian king at one point the Muslim army found itself on the opposite bank of the great Tigris River. The commander of the army, Sa`d Ibn Abi Waqqas, following a dream, ordered the entire army to plunge into the rushing river. Many people were afraid and hung back. Sa`d, with Salman by his side, prayed first: "May Allah grant us victory and defeat His enemy." Then Salman prayed: "Islam generates good fortune. By Allah, crossing rivers has become as easy for the Muslims as crossing deserts. By Him in whose hand lies Salman's soul, may the soldiers emerge from the water in the same numbers in which they entered it." Sa`d and Salman then plunged into the Tigris. It is reported that the river was covered with horses and men. The horses swam and when they tired the river floor seemed to rise up and support them until they regained their breath. To some it seemed that the horses rode effortlessly on the waves. They emerged on the other bank, as Salman had prayed, having lost nothing from their equipment but one tin cup, and no one having drowned.

They went on to take the Persian capital. Salman acted as spokesman and said to the conquered Persians: "I have the same origin as you. I shall be compassionate toward you. You have three options. You may embrace Islam, then you will be our brethren and you will have the same privileges and obligations as we. Or you may pay the Jizyah tax and we will govern you fairly. Or we will declare war on you." The Persians, having witnessed the miraculous crossing of the Muslim army, accepted the second alternative.

Salman Al-Farsi was eventually appointed governor of that region. He was the commander of 30,000 Muslim troops. Yet, he was very humble. He lived from his own manual labor. He did not own a house, but instead rested under the shade of trees. He used to say that he was surprised to observe so many people spending all their life for the lower world, without a thought for the inevitable death which will take them from the world one day

In Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, we find the following in Salman's account to the Prophet of his journey in search of the true religion:

"`Asim ibn `Umar ibn Qatada said that he was told that Salman the Persian told the Prophet that his master in 'Ammuriya told him to go to a certain place in Syria where there was a man who lived between two thickets. Every year as he used to go from one to the other, the sick used to stand in his way and everyone he prayed for was healed. He said, 'Ask him about this religion which you seek, for he can tell you of it.' So I went on until I came to the place I had been told of, and I found that people had gathered there with their sick until he came out to them that night passing from one thicket to the other. The people came to him with their sick and everyone he prayed for was healed.

They prevented me from getting to him so that I could not approach him until he entered the thicket he was making for, but I took hold of his shoulder. He asked me who I was as he turned to me and I said, 'God have mercy on you, tell me about the Hanifiya, the religion of Abraham.' He replied, 'You are asking about something men do not inquire of today; the time has come near when a prophet will be sent with this religion from the people of the haram. Go to him, for he will bring you to it.' Then he went into the thicket. The Prophet said to Salman, 'If you have told me the truth, you met Jesus the son of Mary.'"

In one of the Prophet's battles called al-Ahzab or al-Khandaq Salman advised the Prophet to dig trenches around Madinah in defense of the city, a suggestion which the Prophet happily accepted. He then went ahead and helped the digging with his own hands. During this excavation, Salman struck upon a rock which he was unable to break. The Prophet took an axe and hit it. The first strike brought forth a spark. He then hit it a second time and brought forth a second spark. He then struck for the third time and brought forth a third spark. He then asked Salman , " O Salman, did you see those sparks?" Salman replied, "Yes, O Prophet, indeed I did." The Prophet said, "The first spark gave me a vision in which Allah has opened Yemen for me. With the second spark, Allah opened Sham and al-Maghreb (the West). And with the third one, Allah opened for me the East."

Salman reported that the Prophet said: "Nothing but supplication averts the decree, and nothing but righteousness increases life," and "Your Lord is munificent and generous, and is ashamed to turn away empty the hands of a servant when he raises them to him." Tirmidhi transmitted them.