“According to the classical or objectivist theory of categorical structure, there must be a set of necessary and sufficient conditions the possession of which alone makes a speech act a lie…As a Moral Law theorist and an absolutist, Alan Donagan defines the essential features of a lie as “any free linguistic utterance expressing something contrary to the speaker’s mind”

Lie is a concept that displays a core structure surrounded by a “fuzzy” penumbra (fringe) of less clear-cut cases about which the speaker may be justifiably unsure as to their moral objectionability: such a penumbra might contain such things as mistakes, jokes, exaggerations, white lies, social lies, and over simplifications.

Grand-Moff-Gav
All lies are sinful.

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Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
All lies are sinful.

What if your lie saves people's lives. For example: the lie that the allies told to trick the Germans into believing that the invasion of Normandy in WWII would happen further north.

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Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What if your lie saves people's lives. For example: the lie that the allies told to trick the Germans into believing that the invasion of Normandy in WWII would happen further north.

They didn't lie, they let the Germans draw their own conclusions.

Originally posted by coberst
Is Lying Immoral (Sinful, Illegal)?

Well it's certainly not illegal, except in certain circumstances

And it applies to just born again, ala poster's question. It does matter if the rest of the christian women do it! Among the Christians they have segregated themselves by "born again" not by true and complete belief!

Alhamdulillah I am a muslim and everything applies to muslims, equally, as soon as a person becomes a muslim, all rules apply as soon as she knows it, the one specific to women, as soon as he knoews it, the one specific to men, as as he/she knows it the one general to muslims.

Islam frees women from the age old gender bias that existed before the brand of Islam Muhammad (as) brought. Though we see gender bias among those societies which say they are muslims. However they are their own ethnic culture which is ingrained in their cultural genetic make up, rather than them going for islam, alone.

sunna ya to si sharia. lie comes from the heart, the flesh that is most important in the body.

iro sunna prevents heartache, as in a man saying to his wife when asked by the wife if she is fat or thin. if he says she is fat, the other answer which is the truth, instead of iro sunna would have made even lagos in late august be cold as ice.

it prevents headache in dealing with two friends who are not talking, fast becoming mortal enemies when you do not choose one over the other, except that you tell the other that the one feels bad, misses the friendship and by this end the rift. havent you seen how lovers are brought together by their children who lied their way in to bring the fight to an end?

it prevents bloodshed, lost of lives, collateral damage and war, on both sides, especially in islam, in what is known as propaganda of war, when iro sunna gets the enemy to surrender because of the thoght of overwhelming odd of not winning. america still uses that method in war. every nation engage in iro sunna to prevent loss of lives of their military personnels and usage of resources.

ro nkon ti mo so fun e, daadaa ko to fun mi lesi.

Pastor, that one day is already here. I write arabic, too. Not fluent, but I know enough since I read the Quran everyday, even a single verse, I should know by now.

Billie Jean left with Mickie and fortunately, i am here, so your similitude is not quite correct.

kay17 is probably 17 and he/she thinks along that line. if france did not cooperate in the arrest of polanski, considering that america has a treaty with france, and of course interpol operates in these countries, then you should know france do not see it as a crime.

i do not know what to say about your vulgarity, while you are claiminng moral superiority, 2 opposing conditions. it is either you represent the worse of the two, or even something worse!today we find people marrying older women; demi moore's husband is just that, while donald trump is married to a girl young enough to be his daughter.

if you are a woman, why dont you marry a couple of husband so that you can find out how terrible that idea is, since it is not a common practice in your culture. yet there is no tribe that will say that there is not man marrying more than 1 woman, today. even in america we have christian polygamist.

wetin kay17 they talk? Explain ya sef, please so that i go know wetin i go rite.

@Jcross22: « #384 on: Yesterday at 10:00:28 PM »

@The_seeker, SEE WHAT YOU WROTE BY YOUR SELF:Adam - Safiyu’llah - The chosen of God
Noah - Nabiyu’llah - The preacher of God
Abraham - khililu’llah - The friend of God
Moses - Kalimu’llah - The converser with God
Muhammad - Rususlu’llah - The messenger of God.THOSE ARABIAN WORDS HAVE SUFFIX OF ALLAH , THEN WHY JIBRI(IL) IS THE SAME AS GABRI(EL) WHICH MEANS GOD STRENGTH

Jibril is simple a messenger between God and mankind, including for the most part Messengers and Prophets (AS). Will God of Christians not have strength if there was no Gabreil? I dont know the answer. Allah will be complete with or without Jibril (AS), since before anything God was in existence, in full capability, even without Creations. He was what He is now, and after all things are death before the Judgement day, all things including Jibril will perish and Allah will still remain in full Power.

AND ISHAM(EL) SAME AS ISMA(IL) WHICH MEANS GOD HEARS THOSE WORDS SIMPLY END WITH (EL) IN HEBREW AND (IL) IN ARABIAN WHICH MEANS GOD , SO PLEASE WHERE IS THOSE NAME THAT IT'S COMMON IN ARABIAN LANGUAGE AND HEBREW LANGUAGE WHICH END WITH GOD AS A SUFFIX .AS IN GABRIEL=JIBRIL, EESMAEL = ISMAIL. SIMPLE MATHS EL=IL OF ARABIC . ASK YOUR IMAM OR SHEIK.

Where? It will not make sense and by this, I will say that you wanted to say why, a more sensible thing. Allah knows everything. Il is not Illa. Illa is god or God (take your pick, if you are an idol worshipper the first is for you, but if you are a true worshipper of the Creator, then the big G is what you are referring to). Is Oluwasegun, Oluwatoyin, Oluwafemi, Oluwaseyi, etc all mean that the bearers are not humans and the names are simply to acknowledge the presence/consciousness in their lives?

« #385 on: Yesterday at 10:43:04 PM »

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Copied this from another thread here on NL Msg#155 on https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-283613.128.html

Please note this is used just to complement the issue of Omniscience/Omnipotence/Omnipresence. As I wrote earlier, our understanding differs and the author of the below has shown (better than I could myself) my understanding of God's power. Omni"gbogbo E" is just another way of limiting God.

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(1) The Koran throughout proclaims that God knows absolutely everything and that he can do whatever he wishes, whenever he pleases.

Comment: it appears that the Koran's authors didn't realise that omniscience and omnipotence are inconsistent characteristics. Thus, if God knows absolutely everything, then nobody could ask a question to which he doesn't know the answer, whereas if God could do whatever he wishes, whenever he pleases, then he could ask a question to which nobody knows the answer.

Verdict: inconsistency.
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(2) It also appears that the Koran's authors did not appreciate that the concept of an omnipotent being is absurd. Thus, ex hypothesi an omnipotent being (OB) can do anything and everything; hence, there would not be any examples of what an OB cannot do; hence, it would be impossible for anyone to give any any examples of what an OB could not do; hence, an OB could not give any examples of what an OB could not do; but if an OB cannot give any examples of what an OB cannot do, that in itself would be an example of what an OB cannot do; hence, there would be at least one example of what an OB cannot do.

Verdict: absurdity.
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Look at (2) again. There are no examples of what an Omnipotent being cannot be (including become a man or baby or piece of wood). The word limits God to human imagination and is MAN SPEAKING not GOD SPEAKING

So Bro, what are the questions you wished to ask?

Allah says in Surah Maryam that (about somethings, eg. God having a son, a partner, etc) they do not befit the "Majesty" of the Him. This simple and direct statement covers all the lies above and others not even mentioned. Allah does not say that He has a limit, but He says there are things He will not do because they do not fit His Supreme Position.

Oba ko ni deru ni ilu ti o ti joba, nigba tio si ote, ti o si ogun ti o ja ilu ti won fi fo ilu leru! Nuclearboy, "gbogbo" is explained.

@Realtol: « #16 on: Today at 07:17:16 AM »

Pls can i know why did you say i follow paul(thank God u didn't say saul) and Jesus?

Pauk, Saul, tats just simantics. As to who is it that you follow, which is for the most part Saul (lol), the whole doctrine of Christianity is formulated by him, aint it? Jesus had just a smigget to do with it. While Jesus said to preserve the Laws and the Prophets, Saul of Tharius, says heck with it! Aint that the truth?

Firstly, i don't want to do this but i have to, since u prompt me. U compared muhamodu to Polanski, obama, woody allen and host of other celebrity who are just like u and i, should i blv that's muhamodu is not a prophet(who spirit of 4giveness and peace ought to be in him)?

Allah says of muhammad (AS) in surah Kahf, the last verse or the one just before it "Say (Muhammad) you are just a man, creation (bashr). Allah says of Adam (AS) that he is a creation too. Allah says of Jesus, the creation of jesus is like the creation of Adam. Jesus, Muhammad, Adam, Moses, etc (AS), you and I are creation, man. Adam was the source, so his creation was very basic. We are all in varied creation of what, from what he was created! You need knowledge, man.

Is killing a way to make peace? Eye for an eye i guess, NO!

Mose law was exactly that. Thats what Jesus said you should follow, unless you are a denier (am sure you are) or Jesus didnt tell the truth (i know he did, and you and Saul created your own details instead)?

If that supose to be da case then u & i wouldn't be alive today

But this was the case in Moses time, and mankind survived. Heck even it was a hard situation in the time of Noah, and yet the remnant of believers about 24 of them populated the earth again. Even before then, Adam was the only man, yet through this miracle of Allah, we have over 6 Billions of man on earth, today while many more have died through the ages.

bcoz we had wrong God/Allah in many ways now if He didn't give us 2nd chance we are damn coz after we have been dead after wrong Him once we r going to hell fire/Janama.

All avenues of forgiveness, repentance, mercy are opened to every man, woman until death closed them. From puberty to just before deathbed, why dont you seek God's true Mercy, Forgiveness by repentance and walking away from your evil ways, including the idolatry of 3 gods of Christianity, etc, the disbeliefs of God as practiced by Atheists, other pagans?

But HE(GOD) didn't do, that why can't muhamodu do that and you his followers(osama inclusive) since you blv islam is peace and not war.

Abraham, Moses, Solomon, David, just to name a few of the Christian personalities waged big time ways. 40 years Moses did until his death. Muhammad (AS) did not have any war until Badr which was the second year of Madina, just an eight year period. He fought disbelievers just like Moses. John and his father did not fight anyone.

Xpecting your own view happy sunday to you there.

Happy Sunday to you, too.

« #17 on: Today at 07:34:15 AM »
Moreso, moses(i didn't note b4) didn't fight/destroy egytian by sword, arrow, bow gun, bomb e.t.c

Even with the stick, they died, aint it? And killed nations after that, all the way to his death, almost 40 years after!

it was by obidience that moses did that, go and recheck egytian was destroyed by the Almighty GOD in the ocean moses didn't assault them at all

lol. Aburo, Moses used the assult weapon of its day. More like transformer because the same stick turned snake, 3 time, and other kinds of things and many uses. He killed many in wars after Egypt, you know.

and you can't fight for God

Ye you can when He commands you. If you do not do it, thats disobedience. Moses and others obeyed. Be like Moses, man.

it's only God that can fight 4 you unless u r fighting for idol.

If so Jesus didnt have a God that "can fight for" him. Even he cant fight to defend himself, hence no God can fight for you, because it seems to me that you and God are not on the same page;if He commmands, you will not follow, hence He will not look out for you.

God is greater than u and i, is greater than our enemy whom we labelled God's enemy, so no point in fighting for Him

Even when he commands you?

Pastor, I read arabic, and I know enough not to be taken by fakers, including fakers who will ask me to begin boo ifa or Opele, wich one are you used to man?

@Debosky: « #22 on: Today at 01:46:56 AM »

Address the issue at hand - why do Muslim men do it?

Oh, debo, I already addressed it. Please tell me if a man marries a woman in Yorubaland, the wife willing participated, her wealthy parents participated in the ceremony. The community, say Ado Ekiti participated and it was the talk of the town for a long time. Let just assume that some Ashante people of Ghana are later on criticising it, making it seem as if it is a bad thing, while some of their own people do this, does it deserve any response, except that it is ignored as arguments of Lunatics from Ghana? This is your argument here, Debo.

In America, a predominantly christian country, we see men marrying very young women, each state has its own age of consent, raging as young as 14! With consent of the parent(s) a girl can be married even younger. My dear friend Jabir, formerly Ken's grandmother married at the age of 12. I know her mother a mere 70 year old woman. And you need to see the spanish girls, the black girls, the asian girls, the white girls, all of them in ghettos, in surburbs, in villages, in towns and cities, all of them boy and sex crazy. And what goes in America is what people are aspiring to, the saying that america sneezes, te whole world catches cold. Is there no Christian who marries a young girl in Nigeria? Debo, go to the villages and be dazzled.


@TOPE2000! (f): « #23 on: Today at 01:54:19 AM »

The thing tire me ooo, Even Muhammed is guilty of it so i heard.

Muhammad also married a wife much older, wifes in his general age group. Aburo, ma fe omode to julo o. Ko ni mo nko ti o fe, and the full essence of marriage will be lost on his inexperience. If you marry a man older than you, while you have the greatest experience of marriage, you will fall into the category of what you are complaining about; a young girl married to an older husband, even if it is by a single day.

Let me excite you, if the husband was 13 and the wife was 12, will the issue of young girl as the poster stated come to play?

@Realtol: « #16 on: Yesterday at 03:25:59 PM »

You are big liar and i'm not surprised your father (u anti-christ) which is satan is the father of lie, u said muhamodu didn't advocate many wives does that mean that he marry 1 wife i think u r deluded, muhamodu ask u to marry as many as u can afford, i guess u haven't read that in your quran since it doesn't interesting and spiritual as the Bible which u devoted much of your time for.

My father is dead long time ago. Satan is still alive, so it is obvious that Satan is not my father. I am not anti-christ either since Christ and ant-christ will have to fight, and it is obvious that Jesus is not here now, and I am sure that I dont want to fight Jesus, so again, you are wrong.

Again i ask why did allah created 1 hawwah n not 4 hawwahs for adam

Women are now created for men, according to you. In the Quran, Allah says that Adam and Hawa are mates, one to the other. Both of them are responsible for his or her own actions, instead of blaming it on the lady in the Bible! Though Adam was the first to be created, but there were no four Adams, either. I know my explanation will fly over your head, especially when I start with Ibrahim who at least married 2 or 3 wives, unless you are saying that he performed adultery, in cooperation with Sarah?

when he knows da best thing man is 4 wifes or 89 as da case of the man(alhaji) in kogi nigeria or does He act b4 He thinks?

Why dont you apply the do before the thinking thingy to Trinity/Triun gods in the NT while there is Only One God Yahweh/Jehovah/Eloi/Elohim in the OT! Maybe you can begin to see the light since Jesus said Eloi, Eloi on the hanging tree!

Answer is simple u muslim including your dead leader are sexmaniac,

If you know anything about sex, boy, an old woman's sexual appetite is not as high as a younger woman who will be "husband crazy". So a young man who marries an old woman, even if she is a billionaire, cant be such a sexmaniac! You are so emotional that you are making no sense. Calm down boy.

muhamodu married an old woman bcoz of money which means he was a Jigolo, agree?

Mama-gee, tell this boy if the husband of Demi Moore's husband is actually married to her because of her money. The Vivica Fox, etc Cougar Older women for younger men club, is every man a Gigolo in such a relationship?

If your woman marry 4 men at a time u will call dat adultery, why?

A natural action in marriage is not adultery. Most cultures expect wife to be married to just 1 husband at a time. While husband except the fake restrictions/imposition of the Christians on themselves can marry more than 1 wife. I am thinking that this boy Realtol does not even know that some cultures allow their wives to sleep with their guests, and a tribe in Niger Republic it is a norm for cousin to sleep with the wife of the other, if they both asked her for marriage but prefer the other. There is a tribe that practices a wife with more than 1 husband.

Does woman different from man in presence of your allah? If a man steal and a woman steal the same object too in the same circumstance, should we blv your allah hv different jugdement for these two people

It is Muhammad (AS). It is Allah. The rule for man is the same for woman. Duuh.

Muhamodu asked u to this just to cover his imperfection and aldultery? agree! And the case would be dismiss. Now if muhamodu didn't advocate that, who r u his follower following on that one? your instinct or your believe or u missing your culture?

I dont understand what he writes. Mama gee, can you help me?


@Kay 17: « #18 on: Yesterday at 05:35:14 PM »

muhammed, hittin that small girl from behind! he really succumbed to earthly pleasures.

America, France, etc allows marriages with different age groups, from young, under 18 based on many variables. Norma Polanski lived in France from 1979 to just before he was arrested in Switerland, just the past month. I think kay17 is naive.


@mama-gee (f):« #19 on: Yesterday at 10:04:44 PM »

Cos, they are all freaking paedophiles.

You live in this United States and you are talking like this? You have not seen in any village, town, city USA where the somewhat young are sex crazy? They are plentiful in every neighborhood. The whites, the Asians, the Blacks and the latinos. Everyone is doing it, and africans in america are not immune. The generation of africans younger than you are doing it now among themselves.

Dr. Fabian of www.Figtreeonline.com is healing people of even HIV/AIDS disease. He is not a believer of the major religion known as Christianity. I guess he is what now? Jcross22, please give me your answer after you read about his effort.

@Chukwudi44, Mazaje, Kay17: « #3 on: Today at 06:52:38 PM »

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Islam is the religion mohammed invented by plaigiarizing the religious books of the jews and christians while promising his deluded followers countless beautiful virgins if they help him spread this myth

well said, inspite of the propaganda that islam existed before prophet mohamed there is no single proof outside the koran to point to the existence of the religion before the 7th century as there was no mention of islam or muslims by any of the ancient secular historians like herodotus,Joephus ,tacitus philo e.t.c.

also reminded them to spread the violence, religious bigotry and hijack six year olds!

Before the bolded, there was Human history, religious History. From definition and analysis of Islam; we see that those who seek the Mercy of Allah, like Adam (AS) were muslims, not Jews not Christians.

We also see that those who obey Allah like Jesus (AS) were muslims, instead of Jew, thugh they may be ethnic Jew/Children of Israil, but not Christians. We see those who fought in the way of Allah like Moses were Muslims, not Christians who dont care to obey God and not Jews in religion.

Mazaje wants virgins, no? At least for a wife or you want old hag, the door mat of the community? Today Norma Polanski is not being sort by the USA for sleeping with a 13 year old girl in 1979, but because he raped her. France a very modern country does not have problem with her age. Switzerland did not have any problem, except that it is looking for a way forward with the US Treasury because of the many accounts of Yanks in secrecy.

And America is not suing or trying anyone because of the age of the girl, except that there were no consents.

I accept the opinion of my Imam. Jazakallahu Khair.

Realtol, you dont follow jesus. you follow Paul. now,that is the truth.

realtol, when a christian journalist woman says about the prophet (AS) that he would have make choices from the pageant contestants, a terrible example of what to say in the public, since she didnt say that Paul the eunich would not have the equipment to deal with the situation and Jesus will easily ignore the beatifuls, then we know that the starter of such a controversy was the muslim.

Though the girl knows that the prophet loves good things, but you do not say everything that runs through your mind. if you do, you will be considered a deseased mouthed person, flippant at best, irresponsible, for such.

I see many of your folks talking aboutthe action of the prophet with his young wife, Aisha, a situation that happened 1400 plus years ago; Aisha was a willing bride. Her father and mother participated in the marriage, and no one in the society used it to accuse Muhammad (AS), among all the many accusations. Today, we see the first class French Movie director Norma Polanski who slept with 13 years old girl in 1979, and the only thing the American government is after him for, is the rape, while France has no problem with it, and her age has no role in it since many of todays yanks even younger are doing it.

We see that you people criticise my beloved Muhammad as a man who married his adopted son's exwife, even to demostrate that no adoption is equal to blood relationship and no more adoption, while in America,  the jewish Movie Director Woody Allen married the adopted daughter Sue Yii, whom his wife Mia Farrow. America, in her rigorous sexual laws did not charge any of these participants for incest.

While Obama the President of the free world was a peaceful man as a candidate, today he won the Noble Peace Price Award, yet as a President, he is now a war president. Please consider that America is the moral heartbeat of the world, and if this man can wage war because his community (The USA) sees the enemy who are against the moral fiber of what America stands for, then the Muhammad (AS) who is the noble Prophet and his companion (RA), have the right to go against their enemy when they attained Power in Madina.

Moses did the same thing, he started meek until he ruined Egypt and then after crossing the Red Sea, war all the way. If Jesus did not fight, it s because he had no means because he started meek and he escalated up the point he asked for bags and Swords!

I wonder how you people then have the audacity without being contrived to insult the best of all mankind, Jesus in cluded, Muhammad (AS)?

look at this man; he cant comprehend. just name one!

@Realtol:Laugh like a hyena, in the face of the stalking lion. The end is doom if only the hyena knew.

First, Muhammad (AS) did not advocate multi-wives, a condition that was already with the Kufar as you said, definitely the Makkans, the Quraishi, the Arabs.

I hope you can count, while Jesus never married, I hope you will grow up to be a spouse of your partner from an opposite gender, in the same way that muslims marry, Muhammad (AS) married, Ismail (AS) married, Ibrahim (AS) married, Isiaqa (AS) married, Yaqub (AS) married, Yusuf (AS) married. None of these men married a single wife. Go figure, Realtol!

Maybe, therefore, Jacob falls in the kufar classification, as per your generalisation. No, since he married more than 1 wife? Some people think with the sole of their feet.

So my shia brother, should I accept the Kaumu Lut act and Muta marriage which you claim that is valid, but clearly rejected in the Quran? Further Al Bayt are who to you? Are they those of the Quraishi bloodline who were under the blanket with the Messenger (AS), excluding his wives (RA) from whom we were able to learn the hadith of Junub, etc, acts between husband and wife, etc and other like Bilal, Salman Al Farsi, and Shuaib Al Rum (RA)?

Please lets discuss sensibly without any emotion, while the Uncles of the Prophet (AS) like Abbass, and Hamzah (RA) where not under the Blanket, it was clear that The Noble Prophet said of Hamzah, "he is my brother", the reason he said he cant marry his daughter, as per what is allowed him in Surah Ahzab.

Abbass (RA) who survived him never complained againstany of the surviving Sahaba and successive Khalifa (RA) starting from Abu Bakr (RA), a man who became poor for the sake of Allah, in spending on Islam under the Messengership of Muhammad (AS). Well lets leave that alone for the moment; if we concentrate on the Lion Ali bin AbiTalib (RA), who was never shy to speak his mind, even when the giant Umar bin Khattab (RA) was Emir, we did not hear Ali going against the leaderships of those who led before him. Yet the shia now kinda find a way to make a mountain out of a mole on his behalf?

I was just going to respond to Dr. reindeer, really asking him how a man can dispoiled his wife. Then I ran to the Other Dr. name Ohsisi; with her breaking news.

Who turned the young men in; Muslims or its ms. "know it all" (lol) ohsisi? Pakistan is still a muslim country, I may disagree with the way they practice Islam, mixing in if only in the slightest the Indo-pakistan "preislamic" cultural ambiance. I am thinking that there were many muslim community leaders who spoke out in varied aspects including the prevention or desuading the youth from falling into the falsehood of what they think Jihad is. Jihad simply means struggle. Harb is war. I hope Ohsisi can read, without that certain blinder, especially of the heart?

Ohsisi, I asked you to pt on Kimar. Have you taken me up on it? See how it hangs on you, with long Hijab, unlike the tiny little dress than may hang everything else out!

Awa lagba ediye funfun lagba ediye, awa lagba. "Awa" here is "WE" referindg to a single person, attaching importance to himself/herself.

If you have heard a king speak in his court to his subject, he uses "that type of tone; we, us, etc" Even in the early 1970's when the young girl regent became ruler of Akure after her father died. She used "we, us".

Alafin of Oyo does speak like that. Awujale of Ijebu Ode speaks like that. Ojo of Owo speaks like that. Olowo of Owo speaks like that. Some of these people I have listened to.

Jcross22, the yoruba royal bloods and not necessarily the kings do speak like that. I simple typed "Is WE a majestic pronoun?", in the google search engine, and what I said above is what came up. Maybe you Christians in your quests to find fault in Islam, should at least do good researching effort!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural - Cached - Similar


Majestic plural
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The majestic plural (pluralis maiestatis in Latin) is the use of a plural pronoun to refer to a single person holding a high office, such as a monarch, bishop, pope, or university rector. It is also called the Royal pronoun, the Royal 'we' or the Victorian 'we'. The more general word for the use of "we" to refer to oneself is nosism, from the Latin nos.[1] Its most common use denotes excellence, power and dignity of the person that speaks or writes.

In pluralis maiestatis a speaker refers to himself using a grammatical number other than the singular (i.e., in plural or, where attested, dual form). When used formally within the context of a government or other authority structure, the plural form may implicitly refer to the principle that multiple legal persons or legal capacities may be embodied in a single physical person (as are the United Kingdom's Crown and its King or Queen). For example, the Basic Law of the Sultanate of Oman opens thus:

On the Issue of the Basic Law of the State We, Qaboos bin Said, Sultan of Oman…[2] Other instances of use:

We are not amused. — Queen Victoria (in at least one account of this quotation, though, she was not speaking for herself alone, but for the ladies of the court.)[3]
In his abdication statement, Nicholas II of Russia uses the pluralis maiestatis liberally, as in "In agreement with the Imperial Duma, We have thought it well to renounce the Throne of the Russian Empire and to lay down the supreme power."[4]
United States Navy Admiral Hyman G. Rickover told a subordinate who used the royal we: "Three groups are permitted that usage: pregnant women, royalty, and schizophrenics. Which one are you?"[5][unreliable source?]
Mark Twain once made a similar remark: "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we.'" [1]

Do you people in England, especially from Africa for the most part have any brain? How about the third option? The two options you listed are wrong and therefore the Bible is wrong while Quran from Allah and the authentic hadith/sunnah of Muhammad (as) are correct?

I will have to talk to "lord" David Binyon and his wife Barbara of Millhouse about what their people the English whites feed you "darn" (I could say bloody. I will not say it) africans. Poison? No2Atheism, use your marbel, man!

[1] why didn't He breathe into sand to make me or you, reader? At least He had time to do Jesus so why not me? Yaa bani Adama (Oh children of Adam), meaning mankind. You, Eve, there direct children the first to be created throught sex, considering that Eve was created just by cloning, no sexual condition, and jesus was created through a woman, no sexual condition. It is because there is no sex that you attach more important to jesus creation that you even deny that he was not created? What then will you say of Eve, a woman coming out of man; where is her mother at least jesus have a mother which makes him closer to me, except that I have a father which makes me just as special like the majority of creations?

[2] What was the point (or do you believe God had nothing to do and so out of boredom breathed Jesus) for starting anew with Jesus? Which one is more complex, command something by telling an angel to breath sand into a womb, or the command something where copulation is the act of bringing about through the ejection of semen? Copulation takes a lot from the participants, people get tired, and the angel simply just flow sand, the same angel who participated in destructions of the people of Lut (AS) by brine stones even a harder situation than just blowing sand, without water. Adam is sand and water! jesus can never be Adam.

[3] You believe all He had to do was say I forgive and that was that! Why then did He bother to send so many messengers across times/ages? Why not just forgive and cancel and even just send the 72 virgins straight to each of our houses? Plus the booze, of course! No wonder this guy falls for the okey dokey of Jesus taking his sin on him. Didnt your Bible say that there will be a day of Judgement and there is Hell for those who are wrong, Paradise for those who are right receiving Mercy of God? I ask you why all of that and why Jesus, two processes going against each other? Why using your messengership across times/ages will God suddenly change His process which He had indicated to be a fair equal opportunity process, unless you are saying that He changes His mind that the second hand of the clock, tic tac, tic, tac?

[4] Could the same kind of human as what we are (including EVERY other prophet including those in Buddhism/ifa [shango olukoso himself would be a nice thot as a prophet since olabowale says Alexander the great [one mean atheist mo'fo] was a prophet)) do the work of this "STARTED AFRESH" person? Where did Olabowale (me, lol am messing with this dude) say that Alexander was a prophet? I know there are 124,000 Messengers and or prophets to mankind, but Quran mentioned only 25. I never have gone outside these 25. Are you okay man? If you wanna take shango as a prophet, you are free since jesus is god to you anyway. So whats the big deal?

Is there a Christian who believes that jesus is just a prophet of God? He needs to become a muslim and get away from Kufr. This is how my mother left Christianity. My dear mother Victoria Maryam Deyo Samuel.

@Nuclearboy: #368 on: Yesterday at 06:48:23 AM »

No human fathered Adam and Jesus according to the Koran. They came direct as a result of the Word of the Almighty God, not ""the same entity that the Bible says mothered Lady Eve. No?"

Are you a blonde and live in Napa valley of california? You almost remind me of the typical females with the preceeding identity/qualification. They are like the exercise bars; I cant say it. But often always dont make any sense.

Hadith Mishkat said Jesus will come back to rule the Kingdom of God. Is the Hadith lying? Okay so we now know one lie-filled Hadith. No?

Unlike Quran, ahadith collection is graded from stronh to extremely weak as it shoould be impossible to have been an ahadith. The elements that qualify something to be ahadith are that it will agree with Quran and must be directly from the mouth of Muhammad or spoken in his presence, without his rejecting such a statement! Is Mishkat equal to Quran which is perfect? The answer is obviously no. Is the collector God the Speaker of Quran or the Messenger (AS) who explains it? No for both. Hence, foe me to even respond to your ignorant statement, research the Quran and show me Jesus son of Mary, Kingdom of God on Earth on the same verse, phrase, showing that they are somehow related. Then I will pick up Arabic Quran, read it and call many arab speakers, all of them Muslims and some are good student of Quran, islam. Until then, your pant should be on fire my now!

Surah 3:55b. Quote it for us and tell us the Arabic meaning so we "kufirs (no?)" see how the Koran and every other Muslim has been lying till you now correct them.

You this boy, do you know what you are saying or you are just saying things, correct or not just to tell us that you have something to say? Maybe that bodes well with the "ignorant" christians, the deniers of One God. It falls flat with me and all sincere muslims. Below is Surah Imran verse 55. By the way there is no verse 55b, duuh! Your lies stink too much! Eww!

3:55: Sahih International
[Mention] when Allah said, "O Jesus, indeed I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you from those who disbelieve and make those who follow you [in submission to Allah alone] superior to those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, and I will judge between you concerning that in which you used to differ.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn: And mention, when God said, ‘O Jesus, I am gathering you, seizing you, and raising you to Me, away from the world without death, and I am cleansing you of, removing you far away from, those who disbelieved, and I am setting those who follow you, those Christians and Muslims who believed in your prophethood, above those who disbelieved, in you, namely, the Jews, becoming above them through [definitive] argument and the sword, until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me shall be your return, and I will decide between you, as to what you were at variance about, as regards religion. Please show me Kingdom of God in there, you, you, you, you, (am ashamed to say what I really mean, so I swallow it, keeping my cool).

Messiah means nothing to Muslims!!!!!!! Why is it then in the Koran??

It is Quran oh Nuclearboy. Messiah to the Children of Israel not to anyone else. Not your darn yoruba hide (hyde).

Are you saying Allah had nothing to write there so He put it there to pass time? Why are you insulting your religion?

Am insulting you in a quite good manner. Allah described Jesus as to his functions to the people he was sent; Children of Israel. Are the functions of Isa bin Maryam functional with the Muslim, as to the Torah and the Injil, and others? Unless what was made relevant in the Ahadith. And what we are supposed to do with jesus in the Quran are to accept him as a Prophet of God, specifically the last to the Children of Israel (AS), then that he was to keep the relevance of Torah, correct even more the Children of Israel by his Injil. And finally, he was the proclaimer of the coming of the future messenger of Allah, the messenger's name is Ahmad (AS); Read Surah Saffat verse 6!

Yes, Allah differs from allah. The difference is you capitalized the "A". And yes, the pagans did every single thing you're making noise about.

Pagans made salah? No! Salah was not observed and made compulsory until Madina era, though the process was given during Isra wa Miraj, an even in Makka era! The pagans do not drink alcohol? Of course they do. Islam does prohibit Muslims, and you sir, nuclearboy is a keferi, equal to makkan pagans because you can sayo sayo! Pagans marry as many as they want of wives, and the women are worse, doing all kind of sexual orgies, tagging the man they want as the father of the baby from such orgy (the jamaicans say it is giving a man a jacket), muslims are commanded not to exceed 4, and the special condition to exceed 4 was for Muhammad, alone, just like the night prayers from the moment he became a prophet, and I can or not observe night prayer! You are even worse than the nappa valley women.

Oh ok, so just as Adam, you too, Baba-70, was commanded into being by Allah and Alhaji (No?) Olabowale had no congress with your mother before you were born. All hail the "3rd Adam", "baba-70". If your dad did sleep with your mother, tell me who slept with Mary that resulted in Jesus.

You fail to observe Eve. Before a time my late father (ra) was nothing. So was my Grandfather (ra), and on and aon, until Adam (AS), who was nothing at one time, before his creation. Allah decreed the existence of my father, then of my mother, who were once young people. Then they ate of the provisions of Allah on earth, by His command (Be). These young people grew up to become people who can produce sperm and egg, the result of the two fusing together by Allah's permission is what became me. Interestingly that now people dont have to sleep with each other, women becoming mother's from sperm bank. Some person in US, earlier this year, a born woman who changed her gender to become man got pregnant. Please none of the silly opinion you give please. Maybe your groupie(s) will yuk it up.

I just hope you agree your Prophet had an earthly father. Tell us openly then, the difference between the progeny of these two "messengers" as you call them. And stop lying like a 3 year old.

Usually 3 years old are truth speakers, unless your Biblical verses are lying, as it says "from the mouth of babes". No?

You use Mary's ancestors to mean Jesus ancestors openly as though Mary not only mothered him but also fathered Him.

Oh nuclearboy, maybe you should consider the situations of male Adam, and female Eve, separately and consider with that of Jesus and tell us if you can which is the greatest of miracle, then the next and finally the least, who is almost like you and I process of being? Allah commanded my being "Kun", maybe yours is not commanded!?

Come to think of it, even that makes Him more special than ANYBODY else in history

History of man started with Adam. History of male started with Adam. History of female started with Eve. Come to think of it, therefore, the one who is most unique of mankind will not be jesus, if you put on a good thinking cap. No?

You go about seeing the speck in other religions and peoples eyes forgetting you too are not above scrutiny. Respect my belief and I will leave you alone to yours. Continue the insults and I tell you now, Voltron, you will wish you weren't literate to read what will be posted here.

My skin is thick, already. You named me Voltron, and I did not flinch. You called me jester voltron, I encouraged you to settle on a title already. If I were going to leave this site, it will not be because of you. I can be stubborn too and call you all kinda names. None of it will do me any good, if we are friend, thank God we are not, then I could just peel you out like an Onion, layer by layer. It is your lies against islam that I attach. You are at best just making noise, calling me a loose man, with many babies and a 70 something man. Dont rush me and am not a freak like those you know. I father my own children and not sleep with a woman and then wonder about her getting pregnant. Homey don play that. You are boring and I thought you will be engaging.

My Sheikh, I understand and I agree with you, 100%. You are better u=in this religion than me. You statement is right on point, going deeper than what I provided. May Allah reward you abundantly. And others. Amin.

lol. tabi wa femi? Sugbon, oni lati kuro ninu igbo aginju NZ to wa yen o. Irin ono ti jin ju.


Am telling you all these, in the sense that you follow the leader. The things Muhammad (AS) forbids, I strive to forbid myself. Therefore, the things he permits, if I like it, I do it.

For example he enjoys soup (maka). I enjoy good soup, thick stew for me.

He loves perfume, I enjoy exotic fragrances too; Some for Caron of paris, or customed for me in the Fragrances company of Paris and or Geneva. I also wear good oil.

While I follow Muhammad (AS), who do you follow Realtol, Jesus or Yahweh/Jehovah?

I marry because Muhammad married. Allah says He does not have a family; wife, son, parents like Muhammad (AS).

Go do some thinking because I am not in the mood to respond to irresponsible post. Its Friday evening.

Lol. I laugh hard, first because am gonna be funny.

@No2Atheism: Nezan sounds like a dumb broad, except that he is a man.

Sorry Ohsisi and eaglebabe. Now that was the jokes punch line. You are permitted to laugh people. Oya Ohsisi laugh, biko.

I hope you this woman dont have house maid, oppressing any human being. Allah will be angry. I dont know about Yahweh, since He has so many babies, even so one is begotten!

Allah is Al Rahman, Al Rahim, Al Ayul Al Qayum. Thats Whom I worship, dumb male broads; Nezan, No2Atheism.

@nkb: « #19 on: Today at 02:40:47 PM »

Sure very rampant in nigeria, there is one currently happening around where i stay, a young girl of about 17 years, this woman brought her to lagos and promised to pay her slary, she stoped her from going to school, refused to pay her the agreed salary, make her work almost round the clock, as she is into mama put kind of business, the girl tried running away when the suffering became too much, but luck ran out on her after three days and they caught up with her and brought her back to continue in her suffering, though they promised to let her go this xmas , this young girl kept coming to me at every slightest opportunity she have complaining about her ordeal, i dont know what she expect me to do. am afraid to intrude in issues that concern me not, I hope they let her go this xmas as they have promised her

She approached you thinking that you have a heart, that you feel pain, too, she is in extreme pain. If you can affor to pay for her to go back to her people please do so. Nigerians, Christians and Muslims, those who oppress others among them are truly not believers in the religion that they say they follow a leader prophet that they claim.

Any Muslim wo oppresses is not from Muhammad (AS), if he cant find in his heart to be merciful. Those muslims who do not go against his oppression of others are themselves just as deviants.

@Reindeer and Kola Oloye: Imagine the evil that lurks in the heart of the master of the houses where Maids, Servants and second class citizenry are held? What will these people say to God the Almighty Creator when they die? Their wealth and all their arrogance will amount to nothing.

I will never keep anyone down. If I have a chauffer, he will wear from the clothe I wear. he will eat from the food that I eat, using the same table. That is nobility and should be the norm, for we are only custodian of what we own for a short period of time, as God permits.

Shame on the evil doers.