₦airaland Forum

vickerz:
THE OP SHOULD GO AND DIE, MEANWHILE,

CHANGE

kosby001:
I don't believe coded appointment or secret interviews are part of networking in any civilised society. We want there be job scarcity when the people in-charge are unwilling to let go the vacant seat. What do you see of a situation whereby someone was been given appointment and the employer tells the new start that" the position you are occupying is just for the main time, that the real occupant of the seat is still in school". Should we call that networking too?

Truckpusher:
Somebody took a picture while taking a selfie yet one yeye op called a full picture a 'selfie'.

Collynzo9:
This should be Boko haram's first attack on Niger state, If I am not mistaking.
Hmmm

Abuamam:
"I can see you NEGLECTED the part that says MUHAMMAD HIMSELF said "God has
sent me (Muhammad) to all men, so take a message from me, God have mercy on you.
Do not hang back from me as the disciples hung back from Jesus son of Mary. They
asked how they hung back and he said, ‘He called them to a task similar to that which
I have called you. Those who had to go a short journey were pleased and accepted.
Those who had a long journey before them were displeased and refused to go, and
Jesus complained of them to God. (T. From that very night) every one of them was
able to speak the language of the people to whom he was sent.’ (T. Jesus said, ‘This is
a thing that God has determined that you should do, so go.’)
“Those whom Jesus son of Mary sent, both disciples and those who came after them, in
the land were: Peter the disciple AND PAUL WITH HIM, (PAUL BELONGED TO THE
FOLLOWERS AND WAS NOT A DISCIPLE) to Rome. Andrew and Matthew to the land of
the cannibals; Thomas to the land of Babel, which is in the land of the east; Philip to
Carthage and Africa; John to Ephesus the city of the young men of the cave; James
to Jerusalem which is Aelia the city of the sanctuary; Bartholomew to Arabia which is
the land of Hijaz; Simon to the land of Berbers; Judah who was not one of the
disciples was put in place of Judas.” (Ibid. p. 653; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Unless if you want to tell us that THEY DIDN'T hear Muhammad making this claim or
they erroneously apply this statement to Muhammad." quote.

I omitted mentioning it. The reason is that ibn Ishaq did not give a chain of narrators to this paragraph. Neither did atTabari who took the story from ibn Ishaq. So we cannot analyse its authenticity. As muslims know very well, any purported hadeeth that cannot be traced back to the prophet (saw) is a dud. Not acceptable.

"Then The Quran you have now will also wrong because this same companions were the
one who preserve it after Muhammad's death." quote.

No, the Qur'an is traced back to the Prophet (saw) through thousands of the companions. An authenticating process called 'tawattur' whereby a narration has too many independent chains to permit falsification, and all the narrators in all the chains report the same wordings. Furthermore, the Qur'an is not opinion. I said that the companions could err, ie in opinion.

"Really? So because it turns the table towards Islam they are now handful, so what
assurance do you have on their work over Quran if they were only handful?"quote.

Lol. the number of companions who held the view that Paul was a follower of prophet Isa can hardly be compared to the hundreds of thousands that memorised at least part of the Qur'an. pls don't exaggerate to try to win points. I am responding to this as a scholarly debate, don't turn it to childish argument.

"Was the Muhammad statement also Ibn Ishaq opinion?"

Yes until you provide an authentic chain of narrators connecting it to the prophet (saw).

" Typical Muslim denying their true man."quote.

Ibn Ishaq was born 85AH, 75 years after the death of the prophet (saw). A companion by definition, is one who met with the prophet and accepted Islam during the prophet's lifetime. Ibn Ishaq is not a companion.
Imam atTha'labi was born even later. He also does not fit the above description of companion.

" Even if this man is using Christian it's not his fault, it's the fault of the author of
Quran who always left incomplete information after the book claim to be well
detailed. Example is this Sura 36:14-29, here two people were sent, and been
strengthen by third person THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WITH NAME WHO ACTUALLY
LIVE BEFORE THIS STORY WAS NARRATED BY Allah, how can Allah narrate an
historical event and couldn't mention the name of the people, did Allah not know their
name?" quote.

The Qur'an is not meant to be a history Book like the extant Bible. It is a Book of Guidance. The story was one of warning and exhortation. The name of the people would have just been frivolous addition to the message behind the story. Allah is not frivolous.

" Actually what this site was saying it that Paul's name never appeared in the verse
that some commentators believe it talks about Paul but I'm not here for that in fact
no disciple of Jesus' name appear in the Quran BUT my main concern is WHAT THE
EARLY MUSLIMS COMMENTATOR BELIEVES about Paul?"quote

The ONLY muslim commentator you mentioned was atTabari, and he based his opinion on that of a historian- ibn Ishaq who based his opinion on ibn Jurayj and an unproven 'hadith'

" Is it Muslims that suppose to be given their own perspective about Christian's history
something that would have given Allah and Muhammad great prestige if everything
was well detailed in the Quran?"quote.

Yet non muslims like Sam Shamoun and his disciples are allowed to give their perspectives about Islamic history. And it is cool, right?

Allah (God) is Great above all petty squabbles. Do not be abusive. It is a weapon of the ignorant... from whatever faith. Whatever your petty belief, millions of Arab christians call Him 'Allah'.

Abuamam:
Muslims believe that the devil's ultimate aim is to turn us to disobedience and shirk- the association of partners with God; be they demi-gods or whatever. And since the prophets (including Isa; may God's blessings be upon him and who you refer to as Jesus), all preached pure monotheism in a manner that touched the hearts of people, the devil would always send his agents to try to corrupt that message which the prophet had just brought to the people, so as to turn people away from monotheism. Muslims believe that Paul is one of those agents that tried to corrupt the message of prophet Jesus by incorporating pagan philosophies into it.
The devil tried it on Islam too (he's not too bright you see... he will repeatedly use the same strategy if it keeps working). After the prophet Muhammad (saw) died, a jew who claimed conversion to Islam; named Abdullah bin Saba'; travelled far and wide, preaching the infallibility, and subsequently the divinity of Ali bin abi Talib... a cousin of the prophet (saw). Narrations have it that he was executed for blasphemy by the same Ali bin abi Talib who was the Khalifah then. By then, he had disseminated his beliefs over a large part of the rural villages of the muslim world, and some sects today still unknowingly profess some of his ideology.
So you see, to us Paul is just fulfilling the devil's bidding of corrupting pure monotheism, just like Abdullah bin Saba'.
Not trying to argue here. Just answering your question about what muslims think of Paul and explaining the viewpoint.

Sunglow:
I don't understand you fellows who think that the Church should be poor God is not poor so neither should the Churches of Jesus Christ.Prosperity of the Church/Christians is for a purpose: TO FURTHER THE GOSPEL. The Gospel is free but not CHEAP! For e.g do you guys know how much it will cost to sponsor Bibles to prisons? you do the math.That's the reason God will always prosper the Church becos they have a lot to do in ensuring people get to hear the Gospel all over the world.
I prefer to be wealthy,becos POVERTY IS A SIN AND ITS OF THE DEVIL!