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OfoIgbo:
Even without Lagos, you still have to remove another 3 million votes from the SW votes, as that belongs to Igbos residing in those Yoruba states.
Feel free to remove about a hundred thousand votes from the Igbo states as they belong to Yorubas.

the Yoruba population in Lagos is just enough to make up for the three million Igbos elsewhere in the south west

scholes0:
Bros the truth is that Ijaws are significant in ovia SW. That was why I was telling you to forget that ward talk.
There are sizable villages of Ijaw extraction in that local government, and the Ijaws multiply at exceptional rates.

There is:
Ajakurama
Ofunama
Okomu Ijo
Gbelekanga
Inikorogha
Abere
Jamagie
Izide
Kolobo
Safarogbo
Binidogha
Ofineyege
Gbelebu
Asamara

Joint ijaw and Ikale (Yoruba) villages
Madagbayu
Abiala
Gbelemotin Oke
Gbelemotin Odo
Kekere

Ijaws are significant in Edo state, it isn't like they have just one or two communities and naught. Infact, the only difference between Ijaws in Ondo and Edo state is that the Ones in Ondo state managed to get and dominate a local government to themselves when they were separated from Ilaje to be on their own, while the ones in Edo are balkanized in 3, making them minorities in each one. All the ijaw villages in Ovia SW and Ovia NE can actually together be a local government.

these are Orhiowmon and Akoko Edo, two totally rural lgas with large population roughly of the same size, you can see the trajectory

The wards of iguobazuwa east and West respectively has 20 and 21 polling units respectively. Udo has 26 wards, Ugbogui has 34, Usen has 20, Umaza has 16, Ora has 12. These above are the seven Bini wards in Ovia south west. Ovia south west has 195 polling units. There are 149 of them in the 7 Bini wards. While the Ijaws have ofunama ward with 16 polling units, Siluko ward with 17polling units, and Nikorogha with 13

If it’s enough to create a small local government today, it might not have been enough in 1991, when the local government was created

Orhiowmon and Ovia north east are Big enough to partition into three each viable local government that each will still give the small Ijaw local government a run for its population. Even the Binis in Ovia South west is enough already for partitioning into two local government

This is the Iguobazuwa i went to in 2015, it’s a big place

See how full Iguobazuwa is, if you were not told, you would think this is a section of Benin City. Iguobazuwa skin full!!!!! Eeeh God. Mind you for persons who may quickly come to pass comments and do not understand the demography of Edo state. You will pass many isolated villages from Benin city before you get to iguobazuwa. It is over 40 kilometers away from Benin city and it is totally unconnected to it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOO5rXdkWuc?si=SGn4mIAsGfX5FCDM

scholes0:
Bros the truth is that Ijaws are significant in ovia SW. That was why I was telling you to forget that ward talk.
There are sizable villages of Ijaw extraction in that local government, and the Ijaws multiply at exceptional rates.

There is:
Ajakurama
Ofunama
Okomu Ijo
Gbelekanga
Inikorogha
Abere
Jamagie
Izide
Kolobo
Safarogbo
Binidogha
Ofineyege
Gbelebu
Asamara

Joint ijaw and Ikale (Yoruba) villages
Madagbayu
Abiala
Gbelemotin Oke
Gbelemotin Odo
Kekere

Ijaws are significant in Edo state, it isn't like they have just one or two communities and naught. Infact, the only difference between Ijaws in Ondo and Edo state is that the Ones in Ondo state managed to get and dominate a local government to themselves when they were separated from Ilaje to be on their own, while the ones in Edo are balkanized in 3, making them minorities in each one. All the ijaw villages in Ovia SW and Ovia NE can actually together be a local government.

I am aware more population means more polling units. That’s why Ikpoba Okha has slightly more polling units than Oredo with Egor undoubtedly the next. Then Igueben the smallest local government in Edo state has the least polling units with just 95 polling units

scholes0:
Bros the truth is that Ijaws are significant in ovia SW. That was why I was telling you to forget that ward talk.
There are sizable villages of Ijaw extraction in that local government, and the Ijaws multiply at exceptional rates.

There is:
Ajakurama
Ofunama
Okomu Ijo
Gbelekanga
Inikorogha
Abere
Jamagie
Izide
Kolobo
Safarogbo
Binidogha
Ofineyege
Gbelebu
Asamara

Joint ijaw and Ikale (Yoruba) villages
Madagbayu
Abiala
Gbelemotin Oke
Gbelemotin Odo
Kekere

Ijaws are significant in Edo state, it isn't like they have just one or two communities and naught. Infact, the only difference between Ijaws in Ondo and Edo state is that the Ones in Ondo state managed to get and dominate a local government to themselves when they were separated from Ilaje to be on their own, while the ones in Edo are balkanized in 3, making them minorities in each one. All the ijaw villages in Ovia SW and Ovia NE can actually together be a local government.

I just really want to know how big or sizable these communities are, if they are tiny numerically as compared to their Bini neighbors even if they are many, it won’t do much. It is not how many communities they have that matters, but in the long run, how sizable these communities are is what will matter more. Iguobazuwa as a single settlement might close in on 75% of the population of their communities. Maybe any write up that seem to estimate the population of some of these communities would do very well for me.

Their settlements are swampy, sparsely populated, in
as much as i agree they have a very high birth rate. Their infant death rate is also astronomically high. Probably the highest in the southern part of Nigeria

Also this is the nature of their communities, as much as i would want to wear the toga of “they are marginalized” every other facts seem to agree to the fact that their wards are commensurate to their population in Ovia south west.

Look at Ajamimogha and Kolokolo, settlements of hundreds of people, some persons might cite this as An example of the fact that Ijaws has communities in Edo State.When these communities would not pass for a quarter in Usen or Udo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sWKmIKBg5c

lawani:
I admitted I misinterpreted you and my misinterpretation was highlighted before I made my point in my comment which you could have corrected but you chose to insult me instead and who throws insult without expecting a response in kind?. Some of your young men who are Benin nationalists always come online to spread lies About the cultural and linguistic identity of the Benin empire, so I always point out to them the errors in their submissions, so if that led to your insult I care less and it does not stop me from repeating the same on another thread because history is an academic discipline. I can't uproot anything from Benin and as at less than ten thousand years ago all the people who now call themselves Igbo, Edo, Yoruba, Nupe etc had largely the same ancestors before separating into different ethnic groups. All human beings are the same while identities from individual up are also sacred and I will never insult anyone anywhere instead of addressing whatever issue they raised in the academic way. If no ready answer, I will go and think and seek God's inspiration rather than initiate the throwing of insults which most of you who are history vandals do

when it comes to Bini history, language and people, you are clearly ignorant my brother

Of all time, of all time on culture section, go and read from these men,

Physicsqed
Ogbuefi11
Redbonesmith
Scholes0- I added scholes0 because of the knowledge of the mappings of Benin kingdom and Edo people, scholes0 seem to know Edo state more than his Ondo state, i don’t necessarily agree with him on his Yoruba affiliation of the Bini monarchy, and he is also very open minded and perhaps the most intelligent Yoruba on Bini and Edo matters
Deadlytruth does not have much work on Bini, but his work on Akoko Edo is very explicit and would educate you

I did not add much Binis so you will not see me as parochial

lawani:
You see?. You remain what you are which is an idiot not properly brought up.

I was still writing ozour, This is what I wrote

For you to have focused on the numbers show you need a crash course on comprehension. That was never the primary idea in my write up.

You quoted me first bringing your lame idea that suggest the stagnancy of Edo towns because you are obviously obsessed with it and i used the population of Ijesha components to buttress my idea that while maybe there are no little or no activity in many parts of Yorubaland, albeit slowly the population grew culminating in the Yoruba population we have today because you can’t farm in Lagos

Your misinterpretation was your fault not mine, my idea was stated explicitly. I even think it was not misread, it was a deliberate act for you to start spilling your Ijesha trash everywhere

My brother i nor send you and your Ijesha, I would like you to come and uproot the Yoruba Bini city and place it in the center of Ilesa make we for get peace

lawani:
You are the one who mentioned Ijesa derisively first and not myself, what I did was point out to you that Lagos originally was not more than an Ijesa small town and then you said Ijesa are three percent of Yoruba (100k out of 3 million) then went further to say Benin was a million people in 1987 which I misinterpreted to you saying Benin was a million when Ijesa was 100k and I corrected you by saying Ijesa is more than Benin and that Benin is the most popular Edoid group only because a Yoruba city was established there as I always point that out since history is an academic discipline and not for other purposes. The fact that you think you can call me a fool and not get a response shows that you are a fool yourself or you are not properly tutored at home in the art of public discourse. Cities sitting on ancient Ijesa land include Osogbo and even Ede before Timi from Oyo ile arrived there to suppress the Ijesa arara taxing Oyo travellers and traders going to the coast and even Akure before it was seized by Benin was Ijesa territory and of course if you want to downgrade Ijesa as somehow below your Benin you expect me as an Ijesa man to point out your error immediately. You are the one that needs to learn manners not myself.

are you a fool, I said Bini was reckoned to be 1,000,000 in 1987. And i said Ijesha was maybe about 100,000 when Yoruba was 3,000,000 hundred years ago.

Is 1987 hundred years ago? Are you daft? If you lack comprehension please stop mentioning me, stop bringing Ijesha up my face, i don’t care about Ijesha, i don’t want to care,

Binis have the largest landmass in that local government even the population obviously. At the very least,Bini hold 80% of the population of those two local governments in Ovia.

Stop pouring your frustrations on my mentions, go and sue the government for bringing the capital city to Benin city

Shift for road make i see better person chat with

Take your excessive ignorance and senility out of my mention. Please stop quoting me, can you?

For you to have focused on the numbers show you need a crash course on comprehension. That was never the primary idea in my write up.

You quoted me first talking about the stagnancy of Edo because you are obviously obsessed with it and i used the population of Ijesha components to buttress my idea that while maybe there are no little or no activity in many parts of Yorubaland, albeit slowly because you can’t farm in Lagos

Your misinterpretation was your fault not mine, my idea was stated explicitly. I even think it was not misread, it was a deliberate act for you to start spilling your Ijesha trash everywhere

My brother i nor send you and your Ijesha, I would like you to come and uproot the Yoruba Bini city and place it in the center of Ilesa make we for get peace

Lawani i was still writing

Evboesi:
you don frustrate

My brother i tire for the guy, he does not know how to read and comprehend effectively.

Knowledge- He speak or write as one that has never left His Ijesha before.

“those people in Ovia will not be able to understand Benin language” this comment is a great pointer to that.

And he keeps quoting me, trying to use me to blow up his Ijesha. You have to pay me for the consistent Advert of Ijesha

He has his own way of making you leave the subject matter with his lack of understanding,and start discussing Ijesha, sometimes i begin to think it’s deliberate.My write up is there and It is obvious.

He also has his pattern of Projecting his frustration of underdevelopment of his land on the Binis, na me say make your land nor develop.

If you are engaging in a discussion, have knowledge, so people can learn from you, if you don’t, have understanding or comprehension, and the ability to bow to superior arguments, for that is the whole basis of engaging in a conversation. Don’t come and be stressing anybody, Nigeria is already hard enough.

lawani:
You must be crazy. You dim witted bastard talking to his father's age mate anyhow.

My father’s mate always trying to bring Ijesha into every Bini conversation and maybe purposely trying to misread points so we can leave a subject matter and start discussing his Ijesha is certainly not sensible

lawani:
How is Benin one million and Ijesa 100k at the same time?. Benin is not up to Ijesa but Benin city because of government patronage has surpassed Ilesa the Ijesa capital for now. [b]Not all Edoid people are Benin and those people in Ovia will not be able to understand Benin language, then a large number of Benin people are Yorubas who have lost their language and have acquired the language and culture of the new Benin kingdom as a result of the Collapse of the Yoruba speaking Ben[/b]in empire. What made the Benin popular is the [/b]location of a Yoruba city on their land
What applies to Iguobazuwa also applied to other towns in the local government and at the end of the day, it is the land under your control that you have to manage that matters

are you a fool, I said Bini was reckoned to be 1,000,000 in 1987. And i said Ijesha was maybe about 100,000 when Yoruba was 3,000,000 hundred years ago.

Is 1987 hundred years ago? Are you daft? If you lack comprehension please stop mentioning me, stop bringing Ijesha up my face, i don’t care about Ijesha, i don’t want to care,

Binis have the largest landmass in that local government even the population obviously. At the very least,Bini hold 80% of the population of those two local governments in Ovia.

Stop pouring your frustrations on my mentions, go and sue the government for bringing the capital city to Benin city

Shift for road make i see better person chat with

Take your excessive ignorance and senility out of my mention. Please stop quoting me, can you?

scholes0:
It is not by number of wards. That is just politics.

what do you think the population of the Ijaws are in Edo state and why, given the fact that they obviously have the most sparsely populated communities in Edo State. How do you juxtapose it with the fact that the first three largest communities in the lga are Bini speaking in that order of Iguobazuwa , Udo, Usen. The combination of these three towns at the very least would not be less than 110 thousand. There are still other three Bini wards which contains multiple tens of Benin communities which includes iguoriakhi etc when you juxtapose these side by side, it certainly is not in Ijaws favor

lawani:
Such places have been decreasing in population due to emigration and not increasing. Everybody is moving to the cities. Two hundred years ago some second tier Ijesa towns were three times the population of Lagos.

Iguobazuwa is a semi urban town in Edo state, in that year that it was 21,000, it was made the local government headquarters, so rather than decrease, it should increase because activities would start happening on a small scale as a result of it being an headquarter of a local government.

Also it can be described as the agricultural seat of Edo State, as they probably have the largest rural market in Edo state, during their market days and any other day people from Benin and other parts of Edo state go to Iguobazuwa to buy goods, it is holding its own forte in its own way.

Even Udo, Presco is in Udo, also a rubber research institute is also there, sustaining some business activities here and there, i have been to Iguobazuwa before, I can tell the Iguobazuwa i went to cannot be less than 60,000. I have not been to Udo, someone told me that Udo is more beautiful and even holding a life of its own

People will always move to the city , that does not mean the population of those Ijesha towns reduced, they must have grown Albeit not growing dry fast, adding to the general population of the Yoruba race, about hundred years ago when Yoruba was about 3 million, Ijesha would not have been more than a hundred thousand. But today, it obviously has surpassed the one million mark, meaning all the components grew to make Ijesha what it is today. So with Benin, Bini was reckoned or estimated to be one million people in 1987. Today, it has definitely tripled that.


The population of Lagos grew astronomically for obvious reasons, you can’t farm in the city

scholes0:
Hahaha, Ijaw claims in Ovia SW is only the begining of Bini peoples’ problems.
lol

Ijaw have just three wards out of the ten wards in Ovia south west and cannot even have up to thirty percent of the population of this lga because they have sparsely populated communities.

Iguobazuwa alone with two wards was 21 thousand in 1991, today it is well over 55 thousand, Udo is a single ward but it is the largest single ward there, as at the beginning of this millennium, it was estimated to be 15,000. Today it should be around the 40,000 mark. Then you have Usen, Iguoriakhi, and three other wards in Ovia south west

So the Ijaws does not really come close as it pertains to population ratio in Ovia south west

Abudu, Iguobazuwa and Okada are Bini towns on that list. Though Okada has grown significantly larger than the others because of the university at Okada, estimated to have 78 thousand as at 2011

macof:
If you don't know the difference between Kingdom and Empire that's not my problem really

And I purposely stated 6 because parts of Orhiomwon belongs to Ika - Igbos

Rather than charge out on "ethnic defence mission" you should have stated what you think Bini kingdom comprises and prove how I'm wrong.

Because Orhiowmon is at most15- 17 ika then the local government is not Edo, how can you wish away 83-85% of Edos in Orhiowmon because of at most 17 ika.

What you should know is that orhiowmon is a very large lga, larger than most lgas you know of out there, it is a totally rural local government sustaining huge population. It is mate with Akoko Edo in terms of number of Inhabitants, both in numbers of polling units, voters registration etc, how crude can you be

Simbrixton:
how many times bini wan rule ?

face your state, leave Bini alone

livebullet:
See you...dey play.

play nor dae there, you nor know anything.

Yameater:
Exactly what i said. Just tell them that you are a comedian.

it will kill the fun obviously

lawani:
I have estimated you and you are empty headed. Calling Edo a tribe. Can you call Norwegians a tribe?. It shows your level of intelligence. I have never stepped out of Nigeria but I know the world 1000 times than you. The few places you have been to, you know nothing about. You are just an empty headed idiot. Yoruba in the world, travelling since the 15th century with the Spanish and Portuguese would be close to two hundred million in total who see themselves as Yoruba descent including white and black. The friends I have from all over the world you will never come close to having in 1000 lifetimes. Is it Edo of two million you want to be comparing with Yoruba of 200 million?. Why not say you are equal to China?.

You can as well say Yorubas are 1 billion, any researchable materials online does not pit the Yoruba population above 35 million. You cannot be 3 million in the last century, as early as 1931 and be 200 million today, it is not comprehendable. I am not talking about those yoruboic sect that were taken as slaves. I am talking about actual yorubas traveling out of the country in search of greener pastures

Most yorubas would rather travel to Ghana, Ivory Coast, Togo and other west African countries. The Yorubas are not so Europe oriented, they are only more in Europe than the Binis because of their sheer population advantage than the Binis and their total population in Europe would not be more than 3x max than the Bini population in Europe

Die if you want to, cry if you want to.

The population of Binis home and abroad are well over 3 million in total population if you add the diasporan population abroad.

You are not a refined person and you are empty. It is so obvious. Not one material did you quote in this argument since I started arguing with you,not even tissue paper, but you carry fact about in your head like I can never be your mate in this life and next

lawani:
What is Bajulaye which you call Bazulaye but which is correctly pronounced in Lagos?. Give that one too an Edo meaning like the one you gave Ibinu. I can see why Oranmiyan named the place Ibinu. You can really make people vex!. However keep your story as my own analysis is for the rest of the world and for academic purposes

I am not answering this topic, I am not going back to it, I only found out you are a coward, you go and include comments when no one is watching, so I had to call you out

We call it Obazuaye to correct you and it is a Bini or Edo word which means The Oba brings life. It was borrowed by the Yorubas

Not Bazulaye as you would want the world to know.
Lawani

lawani:
You people betray shallowness when you talk about travelling as if it is everything. I have never been to Europe but know more about Europe country by country than you can know in ten life times. Self education is everything. Not travelling out of the country and I have known more about Europe than people like you maybe for 25 years. Benin people can only be outside the country in proportion to their population and their population has not grown more than their neighbors in recent times and their population in Europe will be like one twentieth of the Yoruba population there. What Benin have that other Edoid groups don't have is control over a large metropolis like Benin and Benin is very cosmopolitan coming after Lagos, Ibadan, PH and Ogbomosho in Southern Nigeria. I am not sure which is rated higher between Benin and Ogbomosho. All ethnic groups should have control over their territory and work together to attract investors there as all the competition over political posts in Nigeria is somehow unhealthy. I personally do not like it.

This stats says otherwise, by ratio, the Binis are the most travelled group in Nigeria by a mile. Maybe one-6 at most when compared to the Yoruba tribe. It is not up to twenty. It is not close . Stop showing ignorance everywhere. When compared to the Yoruba population in Europe, it would be at best 1 third in the entire European continent.

Benin is bigger than Ogbomosho, Even bigger than port harcourt according to the 2006 census

And we have become more larger over the years, it is obvious and noticeable, I am just being mild with figures, it is definitely up to 60%. Bini’s control of the political terrain in Edo state suggest so. You have not been to Edo state seemingly to understand the population dynamics and political advantage in Edo state.

You clearly ignored the political advantage due to population difference, you clearly deluded yourself just the way the Esans know the truth and would like to delude themselves, then later come to Kneel and beg for vote. We don’t force people not to vote in Edo state like they do in Lagos, when we come out to vote, there is a difference

You are ignorant, clearly as it pertains to European travels when compared to me. You are not close and can never be. A people can be conscious of a place and migrate there often and it is only normal. As this stats. If you have travelled outside the country or you be been to Benin , you would know this. If it is proportionate to our population, the revenue - international remittances coming into Nigeria should have been proportionate to our population. But a whooping 25 % came to Edo state, two times more than the one that came to Lagos state and that should tell you something.



https://www.nairaland.com/7484480/international-remittances-nigeria-state-household/12#119433439

lawani:
I am not saying the language spoken in the suburbs will have no effect on the capital but Benin itself is a Yoruba word meaning anger or vexation and it was Oranmiyan that gave the city that name because the indigenes vexed him. Or is Ibinu an Edo word? The real title of the Warri monarch includes Atuwatse and Olu which are Yoruba words. The Ifa you people say is non existent in Benin is the national theology of the Itsekiri with the 256 signs. Ogiame itself is a combination of Yoruba and Edo which means King of the waters Ogi is king in Edo while Omi is water in Yoruba, I wouldn't know if it is water in Edo as well. Itsekiri in all ramifications are not different from Ilaje or Owo people or even Ijebu and their monarch that came from the Benin capital was a Yoruba man in all ramifications

Dont go back and start typing like a coward. He was Edo true and true. Ame is water in Benin and all Edoid. Ogiame simply translates to mean king of riverine area. There is no combination there, it is pure Edo through and through

The son of the king that went to Itsekiri was a Bini man and he called himself Ogiame or he would have been bestowed with the title by his father.

That Benin was derived from Ibinu, is peddled by Yoruba aggressively. The Benin history think of Benin as an extract of Ubini meaning Beautiful people.

Nobody cares about the religion of the Itsekiris, the Itsekiris are not Bini people. The Royals are Binis descent

It was the language spoken in the city and in the palace! Not the suburb alone. Several migrations from Benin city to Itsekiri, to Agbor and the names of the listings of kings in Agbor, Issele Uku and several other Anioma towns shows undeniably that Benin was spoken in Benin city and in the palace.

The Oranmiyan history is not what most Binis has come to terms with, we feel it is somewhat an imposition

lawani:
From personal observation, as in everywhere I have been to, I seem to meet more Esan than Benin but actually it can go both ways. The population will be similar. I have one Benin in my class at the University but no Esan but I met Esans at the University. There was a Benin room mate during 100 level too but I guess I should have said they will have a similar population and Benin might be higher. I was just trying to point out that there are large Edoid groups comparable in population size to the Benin. The only group that maybe said to be decidedly larger should be Urhobo. For others there will be need for a census

That is not a fair take, the Binis ordinarily do not migrate out of our land, because we have a large city that is averagely compared to Any other city economically in Nigeria besides Lagos. If the Binis are leaving Bini, it certainly would be Europe, you definitely have not been to Europe.

Even in terms of study, 90 percent of Binis would not leave Uniben, AAu ekpoma, Auchi polytechnic, Benson Idahosa university and Igbinedion university all in Edo state to go study elsewhere, at a stretch it would be delta state university abraka.

Binis has grown considerably larger more than the Esan in the last seventy years, and it is obvious, there is a concentration of Bini population in Europe. We have around half a million Binis in Europe if not more

Also the power dynamics in the states suggest so, they believe we (the Binis) have the numbers to install anyone as governor and it seem so.

In politicking in the state, and because we have the majority, other regions come to the Binis to beg for vote, when it is the turn of the Binis to become governor, nothing stops it. Because of our numbers since 1999 the Binis have had two governors in twenty four. The two on a eight year term. Obaseki a Bini man would complete his second term next year.

But because of our population, some Binis are still jostling to become governor next year, which no other ethnic group can try in the state.

Out of the twenty four years, Esans had only clinched power once, and it was a rule of A year and half. A stolen mandate by Osubor. And they are serially begging for all the parties to field Esan candidates, because they know if a Bini candidates happens to emerge from any party, the Binis might aggressively vote for him.

The atmosphere in the state know Binis to be the majority, my brother we are presently above 45 %of Edo state, it might even be more notwithstanding the population of Binis outside

The population all over the world does not move at a constant, The Binis are 50-60 more numerous than Esans today.

lawani:
The maximum population of Edo will be around seven million and Benin can't be 3 million out of it as Esan will be more than Benin and there are still other groups

I would want to see the stats that says Esans are more than Bini, do you have any?

lawani:
If you add all Edo together, it will surpass Ijesa by far because they are more than three times Ijesa population and they can only be compared to Oyo as a state but Benin alone is what I am comparing with Ijesa. Then a people with complex organisation and industries on their land inhabiting hundreds of cities are a nation and not a tribe. A tribe is low population and simple organisation. 100,000 people are not a tribe

Those stats I gave you are Bini alone, everybody mentioned there is Bini.

The Binis are situated on a landmass of about 8653 kilometers square and has a population of over 3 million.

lawani:
Mention the Benin equivalents of
Odeleye Fadahunsi
Lawrence Omole
Bola Ige
W F Kumuyi
Da Rocha
Sapara Williams
Kayode Esho
To mention only a few people. Ijesa for now are six local governments but other Ijesa lie outside those local governments. In Osogbo today, the only lands left are being sold by Ijesa indigenous land owners. Ijesa state if created will border Ede with Osogbo inside. Can a Benin state beat such a state?. Maybe. There are no data but if you are not more exposed or educated, or with more population, how then can you be more travelled?. Ijesa have been scattered over decades and a town like Ipetu Ijesa might have as many indigenes as Akure but now Akure is much bigger.

local government has never been a yardstick for population, the Binis are situated on a landmass of about 8600 kilometers square, and they have seven local government however with some of their population in Ondo and Delta state.

Local government as a means to determine population is a dicey one, many a times, you have some local government that are 39 thousand, 67 thousand and then you have a Bini local government with 129 thousand voters not residents, voters and it is not even urban

How do you calculate exposure, Edo is always leading the stats in terms of jamb and Waec, what else do you need in terms of education and exposure, when you talk of education, exposure, and enlightenment, after Lagos and Abuja, the Binis are definitely the next

Benin is by far bigger than Ijesha and by far more travelled. There is no contest

lawani:
Mention the Benin equivalents of
Odeleye Fadahunsi
Lawrence Omole
Bola Ige
W F Kumuyi
Da Rocha
Sapara Williams
Kayode Esho
To mention only a few people. Ijesa for now are six local governments but other Ijesa lie outside those local governments. In Osogbo today, the only lands left are being sold by Ijesa indigenous land owners. Ijesa state if created will border Ede with Osogbo inside. Can a Benin state beat such a state?. Maybe. There are no data but if you are not more exposed or educated, or with more population, how then can you be more travelled?. Ijesa have been scattered over decades and a town like Ipetu Ijesa might have as many indigenes as Akure but now Akure is much bigger.

you should not use the stats of some Bigman in Nigeria, sometimes having big people in a tribe is luck, we should not use big people in one area to judge, we should use all facet be it the music industry, movies, football, politics, finance, on every level that is how to calculate presence actually and I would lead by listing some of them

Football
Austin Eguavoen- past footballer and past coach of the Nigeria team
Osaze Odewingie- retired footballer
Victor Moses
Aghahowa

Ministry
Apostle Charles Osazuwa -Rock of Ages international
Benson Idahosa- who is bigger than him in Nigeria when over 70 percent of big pastors in Nigeria see him as a mentor, is it Ayo Oritsejafor, Oyedepo, Chris Oyakhilome, Johnson Suleiman, Duncan Williams in Ghana, and so on and so forth

Finance
Razaq bello Osagie- former Chairman of Uba, former chairman of etisalat and he has a net worth of 600 million dollars
Igbinedion-he has the first private university in Nigeria,Igbinedion university Okada,he opened the
First private Airline in Nigeria in 1983, the now defunct Okada Airlines. He owns a tv station, a hospital and several other ventures
Captain Hosa Okunbor- He owns the wells carton hotel in Abuja, and several other chains of businesses, he is said to be very rich even at Esama and Razaq’s level. He is into Oil and gas too. However his exact net worth is not known, his daughter got married to the Olu of Warri. The present one. He is also the one that Kayanmata girl talked about that he loaned Ned Nwoko billions of naira, and he fraudulently did not pay even after his death
Bob Izua Adun- He owns bob Izua motors and chains of other companies

There are many others that are not so known outside Nigeria, they are very wealthy and I would not mention them.

The entertainment industry
Rema- divine Ikubor
Johnny drille - John Ighodaro
OSAs Ighodaro- actress
Ik Osakioduwa- one of the biggest if not the biggest presenter at the moment
Linda Osifo- actress
Nosa Rex Okunzuwa -actor
Sir victor Uwaifo- musician
Jemima Osunde- Actress
Sandra Okunzuwa-Actress
Sam loco Efe(wmonkiyeke)-late comedy actor
Enado Odigie -Actress
Etinosa Idemudia - actress
Djinee - Osayawmen Donald
Cynthia Morgan - Musician
Lancelot Oduwa Imasuen- one of the biggest producers in Nigeria
Goya Amenor- musician.
Matilda Obaseki- the tinsel actress
Babatunde Okungbowa- Ojb jezreel
My casino- comedian
Owengee - comedian
Youngest landlord - comedian
Sarz on the beat- Osabuohien Osaretin- the big producer that produces for wizkid and other top musicians

Politics
Samuel Osaigbovo Ogbemudia- Brigadier General rtd
Odigie Oyegun- former chairman of Apc at the national level.
Past minister of health- Osagie Ehanire
Gaius Obaseki- the vice president of the then action group led by Awolowo

Tell me which minority tribe that has these stats

lawani:
Everything is population and Benin alone are not more than Ijesa in population nor are they more travelled. The only thing they may have more are more people living on their land for now.

we are more than Ijesa in population and we are definitely more traveled, the Ijeshas are not more than Ekiti. The Ekitis would just be roughly the same size as the Binis

We are not talking about travel to Cotonou or Cameroon. We are taking about actual travel to Europe

lawani:
People inside Benin are more important than anybody abroad. Also for over a year I have had no income and my sisters support me. I send Whatsapp message to one in the US, then the money will appear in my account. I am the beneficiary but where the dollar goes to I don't know but I am in Ilesa Osun state. Domiciliary accounts receiving dollars from abroad are more in Edo and they may be and are probably racketeers with government connection or they can be expatriates, Mallams and etc. The only way the data can be correct is if people are allowed to operate domiciliary accounts without restrictions. Otherwise it can never be correct though Edo will have more than Osun only because of higher population. Once again the people on your land are the people you have. If you check properly it may be a few big men with connections collecting most of the forex into a few accounts. The GDP of Edo of maybe 7 million people is not more than
18 billion dollars max.

You talked about those masons spending money on Bini land, working and spending money on Bini land.

There are hundreds of thousands of Binis outside the shores, and they have attendant families at home, you definitely do not know how the Binis are closely knitted with travel outside of the shores.

Almost every family in Benin has atleast one person outside the shores. By family, I mean family of five, family of four, in some cases where it is extended, an extended family of 25 might have as much as ten persons outside the shores.

Those money you see are sent to siblings who do not have jobs, are underemployed in other to continually carry themselves through and through all year round, and they in turn spend it on the Economy in Benin. They use it to buy food stuff, pay children school fees and so on.

That is why you can see a jobless man in Benin who intends to get married because he has backings of his siblings abroad.

There are many scenarios whereby a family of seven would have just one of their siblings in Nigeria. And the other six would be outside would be outside the shores. And they use these monies for thier everyday survival just as those masons and labourers use it, it is the same thing.


They don’t send to domiciliary account,they send to those Abokis at Erie at sakponba road, then their people go to Erie to collect it.

That is why you can see a Bini oldman in the suburb of Beninthat has not been paid pension for years, would have millions in his account courtesy of the children he has abroad

Majority of the houses built in Benin before 2014, the advent of yahoo, were built with proceeds from abroad

lawani:
Remittance is a tiny amount of any economy. A man living in Benin and working there is spending millions every year in the Benin economy for food, rent, transport and etc, you can't compare that to somebody sending money from abroad periodically or in tiny bits

not somebody we are talking of hundreds of thousands of Binis

This is not small money, my brother, did you even check it, 25 % of 11 billion dollars. You know how much that is

lawani:
Sanmo can as well be Isanma as well. Ife that we normally say is actually Fe and not Ife but Ife can be used as well but the right way to say it is actually Ile Fe and not Ile Ife. Fe means expand which you can ask anyone nearby you. Ifa too is actually Fa which means to scrape

my brother even Isanma and Iso do not look similar at all

lawani:
If they don't belong then they are revenue sources for Benin and are making money there. They are more important to Benin than Benin abroad. Would you want all strangers to leave Benin and then you go back to square one?

these are different povs, they contribute money to the city, quite alright, they are residents in the city, it is not their city, indigeneship and residency are two different things

How can you say they contribute money to Benin more than Binis abroad. When25%of the Total international remittance that came to Nigeria last year came to Edo state and Benin city, two times bigger than the remittance that came to Lagos state, most Yorubas in Benin city are labourers and masons,bricklayers, how then do they contribute more to Benin than Bini’s abroad

https://www.nairaland.com/7484480/international-remittances-nigeria-state-household/12#119433439

lawani:
The first syllables are similar. You must be foolish to say I am mocking myself for saying So is similar to Sanma.

so is not the first syllables, the Benin word for Sky is ISO not so. ISO and Sanmo or Sanma does not relate by any stretch of the word . Except you stay in mars or pluto