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OVB123:
Will you agree that since Yoruba and Benin are one, Benin owns Lagos?

They know we are not one, that ignorant above is telling me the history of OSA. OSA as a word has presence in Urhobo, Edo, Igbo, Esan etc it is very unlikely it was borrowed. Seeing the significance of the word that it is used to address God. Most likely it is a cognate word for YEAI group of languages to mean God. It has its variations from Olise to Olisa to OSA and so on.

If there is any word a tribe is going to borrow, it is most likely not the word for God. Not when its presence is spread across several groups that are said to be related.


Zo as a word as i have already stated above in Benin means to bring to bear or to bring to life.


There are several examples where zo was used both with Osa ,Oba Ehi, . Zo as a word-its usage is strongly knitted in Edo. There are several examples. e.g Ehiozuwa, Osazuwa, Obazuwa, Obazuaye, etc Benin was the empire, it is very likely this very title Obazuaye was borrowed by the Yorubas.


Benin language was a well known language in the palace and it is not an uncommon scenario. There are sprinkling evidences of Bini relics with groups she had contact with. Down from Ogiame- the Bini title of itsekiri monarch down to Agbor with several Bini list kings and so on

Dsimmer:
Obazuaye is simply Obaluaye. Bini changed the l to z. Same in Osazuwa

In fact, Osa is an Orisha in Yoruba religion. It represents the lagoon while Orisha Olokun represent the sea.

When I say You know nada.. where next would you claim btw?

stop quoting me you fool, you are not worth engaging

scholes0:
Read this part, I added it after. Can they (Esan and Benin) communicate smoothly apart from Igueben people?

No, they would hear and can use English to reply or at the very least be able to make sense of what the person is saying

scholes0:
But you know Usen's case is unique compared to these examples. These ones learned Ika and Ndokwa respectively because of proximity. Usen people speak a Yoruba dialect because of both ancestry and proximity.
And that is why even though their history points to Ife, their dialect is closer to an eastern Yoruba dialect like Ikale or Idanre, and not a central dialect like Ife. Because the Eastern Yoruba and the Edos became their immediate neighbours over time, so they picked u both dialects.

It is not what about Orogun who is said to be maternally Igbo,


I also gave an example of Alilehan and Alisor who were Edo/Bini group migrated into proper anioma and are now bilingual.


What would have happened to their Ife dialects, would it have died out because they settled in between two tribes, i would rather opined they migrated from Ondo state, because their oral tale is not in consonance with their linguistic reality. This is a video of Alilehan/Alisor who migrated from Oza- a Bini group and are now in the center of Ika speaking both Oza-a Bini dialect and Ika, the language they met on ground, this is a video of the history, the interview that was done in Alisor


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiz3ZnlU1ro?si=957_NbgtMFfngZ6t

scholes0:
While this may be true though, lexical similarity is just one factor that determines mutual comprehensibility. There are also things like language structure, evolved divergent tones and inflections, speed of speech, use or lack thereof originally universal terms that are retained or dropped etc.

What is the real life experience of people (native speakers of these languages) trying to understand the other will be the real determinant of how much they can communicate. Linguistics for example say Igala and central Yoruba are share about 60% lexical similarity. in practical terms however, I doubt a Lagosian can even understand one third (35%) of Igala.

That’s true Esan’s intonation and the word for some technical terms set her aside as a separate language. They speak “Bini” like a Portuguese speaking it, also the word for some technical terms is also different between Bini and Esan.

The word for blood in Bini is Esagien, the word for blood in Esan is Aranlen. I think the word for bone is different too. However the high rate of lexical similarity between the two languages gave these two languages uncommon level of intelligibility that other “lects” deemed as separate languages ordinarily would not have


It is what has been studied o, it is there o, that is why Okojie asserted that even among present Day Esan generation, speaking Bini may be difficult, but it is unnecessary for an Esan to learn it before understanding it. As you already asserted, lexical similarity is not the only determinant of a dialect

scholes0:
Sure, they are al Edoid languages.

at 91 percent, the lexical similarity is so high, such that Okojie asserted that an Esan man does not need to learn the Bini language before he understands it.

Many dialects do not get close to 91, Benin and Oza is 72%

scholes0:
Are we not in this Nigeria? Those who want to use it as agenda will surely use it. I still heard at least 3 Esans call Olumide "That Yoruba guy from Edo south" today alone and what I am saying is that it completely makes sense why they would refer to him as such.
If someones name is Shola Elawure or Abiodun Okpeseyi from Usen, is he a Yoruba or Benin man?

They identify as Benin/Edo, and you know they are bilingual and bicultural. His name is Osaigbovo, and Osaigbovo was born in 1972, even his father’s name was Omorogieva. Which means your child is your most trusted ally. Even Ogbebor is a Bini name.


Should we now say Ekpon people are Igbo-Ika or should we say Orogun people are Igbos because they are bilinguals.

What about several ika elites with Bini names .
Leo irabor-the former chief of defense staff, what about Jim ovia, how many times did Bini people sing about it? What is very pertinent is at the periphery of every group, there is cross culturation . You call people what they want you to call them


Even in Esan, there are the Ilushi people, many of them identify as Esans today. Oseosachie seem like an Esan and Igala mixture. One of their elites bears it, how many times have Benin people tormented them about it

scholes0:
Well, in truth the Owan dialects are actually more like a continuum. Some parts are closer to Esan, some parts like Warrake and Ivbiaro are closer to Yekhee and they understand Auchi more than they do their fellow 'Owans'.
Some like Otuo and Okpuje are their own thing entirely with plenty Yoruba loan words. Luleha is more central. But don't comletely discount that linguistic appraisal that the Edoid languages actually originated in the North and streamed downwards. Even Yoruboid is the same. The dialects closer to the Niger-Benue confluence are older than the ones in the interior south west.

Maybe that is the reality, it was never my central idea. I just wanted to reply to that man that said we are forcing ourselves on Esan when lexical similarity between Bini and Esan stands at 91%

scholes0:
Do you know there is a very popular linguistic theory that the Northern Edoid languages are actually the ones closer to proto Edo than Benin (Edo language) and not the other way round? They are actually the more conservative Edoid languages compared to Benin. Some Ora dialects like that of Ozalla are closer to Esan than Esan is to Benin.

Ozalla is closer to Esan because she has irrevocably mixed with Esan over the years, what about the other owan dialects, Ozalla is a minute part of Owan and very close to Esan land.

scholes0:
How can his Obazuaye, Ize and Obasohan side which is maternal be more important than his Erha (Ogbebor)º side though?
If some Edo people call him a Yoruba person , they wouldn't be completely wrong.

On the meaning of certain Benin chieftaincies i.e (Obazuaye, Ologbosere, Osodi, Esogban etc) being originally Yoruba etymologically, trust me, I know what I am talking about, but even if we argue til tomorrow, u no go gree, lol, but its okay. Let's just keep it at that.

They don’t have right to call him that, there are bilingual clans in Every tribe, in ika, clans like Alilehan and Alisor are Bini groups originally that also picked up languages and culture of their host as a result are bilinguals.


Is it Esan, in Ekpon you have bilingual attributes, in Urhobo you have Orogun that speak both Kwale and Urhobo. Anyone that will do so is doing so out of ignorance.

Usens are bilinguals too, and he has clearly shown that with his Edo language prowess. What i am perturbed about Usen is how they manage to end up with an eastern Yoruba dialects rather than that of Ife.
There is a place in Otuo, a quarter or section of the town, there was one time the Oba of Benin was in search of their soul, they ran to Okpe in Akoko Edo, came back and they are now Idesa speaking. Even till date, how did Usen ended up with an eastern Yoruba dialects even when it is said she came from ife

Pristine664:
The fact that you keep insulting these guys and they don't even bother to insult you back may point to the fact that they have a superior argument.

you are an alternate moniker, if they have a superior argument it will be obvious, it is because many of these their interpretations are insanely stupid. You just need to google Etsako, Esan, Obaseki and so on the Edo meanings will come out for you, they probably must have seen it and still chose to go on with thier own interpretations. That is why that one is saying we Binis are imposing our selfs on other Edo groups like Esan etc


Bini and Esan for example share 91 percent lexical similarity. Many dialects do not share that high.

scholes0:
Yes it has come a long way in Edo historically no one is disputing that, but as you can also see, their Ife links are very obvious for everyone to see. Ogbebor left Usen for Benin with the sanction of Olu Awure in 1819. He prospered and became a big family there and got chieftaincy from Oba. Anyways, their family is an example of one of those family clans in Benin that bridge both sides. I won't be surprised if they greet Lauhe.

they greet Delauhe, it has never been in contention they came from yorubaland, but what beats me is how they end up with one of these eastern Yoruba dialects rather than that of Ife.


Besides we are not about Ogbebor, we are about Obazuaye

Dsimmer:
Says who?

You mean how some Bini in their way to attach Esan, Owan, Etsako to themselves ended up writing conjecture to rewrite the history, even though they're also mixed Yoruba like the Esan, Owan, Etsako etc?

Owanbe in full means merry for example. Owan still celebrate Oranmiyan festival today.

Etsako just the same way Itsekiri who are Yoruba add ts to just s. Heck, agbede who founded Etsako is a Yoruba word which means blacksmith. Esan means it's good.

You sounding like a fat fool, Benin is attaching itself to Esan and lexical similarity between Benin and Esan is 91 percent. You need knowledge, you are sounding like a goat

scholes0:
lol, you are saying the same thing as I am. It is an Edo chieftaincy today but has obtained a slightly unique connotation in Edo parlance. Just like Kpataki and the Osodin, another ibiwe chief.

At any rate, Olumide is from Usen originally.

And Usen as a town has come a long way in Edo history, Ogbebor’usen is not a family of yesterday, besides his mother is not from Usen, the Mother is the one with the link to Obazuaye

scholes0:
lol, you are saying the same thing as I am. It is an Edo chieftaincy today but has obtained a slightly unique connotation in Edo parlance. Just like Kpataki and the Oshodin, another ibiwe chief.

zo as a Bini word means to bring to bare

Osazuwa- God brought forth wealth or he is the one with the only ability to do so

Dsimmer:
Break the etymology, let's see.. what's I" have" in Bini. I know how Bini misrepresented Yoruba word. That was how some thought abu ago translate into Eko.

Dont be a fool, all the rendering you’ve gave are nonsensical in nature, Esan means Esanfia meaning they fled into the bush

Etsako is a corruption of ivbiosakon meaning Teeth doctor or teeth medicine practitioners

I am not from Etsako, i just had to google the meaning and that came out, go and read about people, give people the benefit of doubt and don’t superimpose your culture and language on other people


Is it Obaseki, it means oba is bigger than trade or commerce

scholes0:
Obazuaye of Ibiwe class actually comes from the Yoruba phrase 'Oba ju aye' - The king is more than the world'. In other words, the Oba choses the pleasure anyone enjoys in this life.

that is not it, Obazuaye in Benin means the Oba gives life or he is the harbinger of life

Dsimmer:
I already answered below. I ain't gonna repeat myself.

In fact, "iya mi or iyami" is what is called iyamu today.

you sound like a very obese fool
Please do not repeat yourself
Iyamu- means i have played more roles than my peers

I just googled and it did not take me time to find out Oshiomhole means God’s property in Etsako language

chopnaira:
Ogun, ayelala e.t.c are worshiped in Benin. The king of Benin in a video calls himself son of Oranmiyan who was the son of Oduduwa.

Son of Adimula is in the oriki of the Oba of Benin. Both cultures are interwoven to an extent. They have some borrowed words from Yoruba due to the influence of Oranmiyan

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All these are Edo appelations, i have proven it time and time again here

lexy2014:
in everything you said, you ended up not answering the question he asked:

what do Obasohan, Bazuaye, and Ize-Iyamu mean?

Those are names of families he descended from,

Obasohan is the name of a big chief in Benin, the same with ize iyamu and Bazuaye,

Obasohan- Obasohan means the oba is greater than fear

Obazuaye means the Oba has the capacity to bring life

Dsimmer:
Who doesn't know Edo are Yoruba mixed? Take Obaseki name for example. It's a Yoruba name. Oshiomole is a Yoruba name.

Okpe is a Yoruba name. Esan is a Yoruba name. Owan is a Yoruba name. Etsako is a Yoruba name. In fact, Edo as a whole speak a mix of Yoruba and Bini.

Bini king is from Oranmiyan ancestry. In fact, Oranmiyan entourages and chiefs were those who founded other towns in Edo. Owan still celebrate Oranmiyan festival till now.

Obaseki is not a Yoruba name, Osiomoole is not a Yoruba name

Edo’s are not Yoruba mixed. Esan is not a Yoruba name, Okpe is not a Yoruba name, Etsako is not a Yoruba name. And they are all distinct languages from Yoruba as recognized by linguistic scholars. You just want attention

Who warms soup these days, you need a microwave

maasoap:
Stop shouting that, it is irrelevant to the discussion unless you went there as Population Census Chief.

The same core north with their BA-SHIGA inscriptions, anything that has to do with numbers is so marred with irregularities like it just gives a vibe that there is something they are diligently Trying to hide as it has to do with their numbers. Until resource allocation that is shared as a result of population is removed. These irregularities will remain

Why would they register children though, if there are excess adults that meet their requirements. The requirements is 18 but these guys vividly and blatantly register children and use them for election claiming most populated, or we don’t have children down south?

maasoap:
You may want to bring up the numbers of registered voters in the three states and compare. Better still, we can use the numbers of voters who actually came out to vote in 2023 general elections. That could be used as a sample.

Katsina and Kano that vividly register and use underage children for voting, If we are comparing voters figure, north east and north west is never among to a sane mind. I have been to Katsina, that place is dry! don’t be a slowpoke. You seem like one already

maasoap:
You people can argue against anything. Things that you can't argue authoritatively on. This is not population census that everyone would normally argue against, this is data that has nothing to do with moving from one house to another to count people. Yet, you're still displaying your ignorance

bro you just need a brain to know that that data is untrue. Just a brain

mikmash:
Damn nigger. Population is a factor.

There is no population there bro, many of their lands are mostly desertlike, you can drive for one hour, you will not meet one soul. Katsina as a city did not feature in the top 6 most populated cities in 2006, it still does not feature now. Meanwhile Benin city is among top 6 most populated cities in Nigeria Is it Daura? Daura cannot stand Auchi. Where is the population then? Don’t be deceived by their voting numbers, many of them voting in Katsina are underage.

I served in Kano and was always going to see my friend in Katsina. Their acclaimed population is not in tandem with reality


Also many of them in those states are so impoverished, they barely feed well let alone having the money to buy data.

Lastly, the list is false from all corner and it is so obvious, they said they have 9.5 million Ogun residents connected to the internet. Ogun will staggeringly make 6 million. The same with Oyo has almost 9 million connected to the internet when we know does not have beyond 7 million as population

Kenda123:
They mentioned Kastina and some fools are comparing it with Edo state.

What is the total population of Edo put together and that of Katsina ?

Some people who have never being in the North do think northern states are underdeveloped

There is no population there bro, many of their lands are mostly desertlike, you can drive for one hour, you will not meet one soul. Katsina as a city did not feature in the top 6 most populated cities in 2006, it still does not feature now. Meanwhile Benin city is among top 6 most populated cities in Nigeria Is it Daura? Daura cannot stand Auchi. Where is the population then? Don’t be deceived by their voting numbers, many of them voting in Katsina are underage.

I served in Kano and was always going to see my friend in Katsina. Their acclaimed population is not in tandem with reality

pfadom:
How reliable is source of this information?

It is strange the no single state of south east made this top 10 states with internet users.

it was posted by [/i]Nigerian bureau of statistics [i][/i [i] it is not reliable

I don’t trust this list, adamawa and katsina was sneaked into this list, nothing literally happens in those two states. For the fact that it was posted by the Nigerian bureau of statistics already shows there is a problem. One was posted some other time, Adamawa and Katsina did not feature

https://www.nairaland.com/3114368/nigerian-states-number-registered-phone

https://www.nairaland.com/7968377/lagos-ogun-top-2023-internet#127912993

alezzy13:
Obaseki s CV was also rich. Has he really performed? Then look at Soludo.

He I know they are good at speaking all the right grammars, but the jury's out on whether it's a good idea to have technocrats in such leadership.

Yes he has performed better than his predecessors. He is the best governor to ever emerge in Edo since 1999.

Even with the limited resources in Edo state, he has managed to pay the highest minimum wage in Nigeria at 40,000 naira.


Pensioners and Civil servants receive their salaries as at when due in Edo state and no longer commit suicide and die on the queue waiting for their monies as it was rampant during the time of his predecessors. Obaseki has not defaulted for once in payment of salaries since he emerged in 2016.


There were several pension backlogs that was thereduring the time of Oshiomole that was cleared by Obaseki.


Obaseki has revolutionized Edo state’s Educational sector via the Edobest program whereby Ict has been introduced into to aid and improve learning in Edo state public schools and also to stop the cheating of Edo state government by teachers that was in place during the time of Oshiomhole and igbinedion.


Also there is also this health scheme in place, you are given a card and a stipend from your monthly salary is taken, when you fall sick, the treatment is heavily subsidized.

What about the Ossiomo power project, Edo state is reputed today to be one of the five state that has the facilities and capacity to be power efficient


Also there is the Evboesi oil palm project which will take effect in two years, will open up Evboesi and other neighboring villages and also employ thousands of Edo youths. No of Obaseki’s predecessors come close to him in terms of achievements since 1999

This guy is the apc pillar in ovia, if this guy is not appeased, apc will lose Ovia fair and square to the igbinedions

stanisbaratheon:
If it's by CV Jonathan would have turned Nigeria into London. If it's by CV Buhari would have killed all terrorists in his home town let alone Nigeria. If it's by CV Tinubu would have performed the Magic they said he did in Lagos.

So you see? It's not just by CV.

jonathan is not an economist, he is a zoologist, someone with a phd in animal science and other animal related disciplines has no business in governance and politics,


Tinubu on the other hand, there is so much debate if he actually went to school, no one is certain if he went to school. So much irregularities in his documents and certificates. Tinubu did not make Lagos, Lagos was already capital of southern Nigeria in 1906 light years before Tinubu was born. Lagos was already capital of Nigeria in 1914 light years before Tinubu was born, put an average person in Lagos and the person will excel very well giving the large number of revenue accruable to Lagos state

A degree in economics on the other hand is an efficient tool in governance, sufficient life successes in the economic field gives one a clue that such one will be able to manage government finances properly. According to Shaibu on Tvc, Oshiomhole saw a recession coming after he continuously looted the state for the eight years he was governor and had to bring an economist in to manage the state effectively. Government is largely about finance, when there is no money in government, government cannot run efficiently