₦airaland Forum

escapefromusa:
The south is developed and people like you live there. You just made two unrelated and uncorrelated sentences, both of which have no bearing on the topic.

What sort of schools do you have in the east ? I know you are an easterner. Please next time do not say "in the South", you sound like black American's you think they are African's , and when you ask them where there are from them reply ... am from Africa

Of course Kinta Kunte'

I LOVE THE KUNTA KUNTE PART BECAUSE THAT'S WHO THE BLACK AMERICANS ARE AND SOME PSEUDO DEVELOPERS OF EVERY PART OF LAGOS IN YORUBA LAND . I FIND IT DISHEARTENING SEEING SOME OF THESE INDIGENOUS AMERICANS KEEP CLAIMING AFRICAN DESCENTS YET NONE OF THEM HAVE DIM IT FIT TO INVEST IN AFRICA COUNTRIES EXCEPT AFRICANS AS CLASSIFIED AS MODERN EMIGRANTS. HOWEVER I GIVE IT TO YORUBA OF SLAVES ANCESTRY WHO STILL DIM FIT TO COME BACK TO PATRONISE WHILE VISITING YORUBA LAND DURING OSHUN OSHOGBO, OLOKUN FESTIVALS etc.

SuperS1Panther:
We have asked them to tell us the name of the war the fulani fought to conquer Ilorin, till date they are still blabbing.

The entire Ilorin is surrounded by yoruba Obas From Jebba to Kaaba to Offa to Ogbomosho. How did the Fulani passed through those kingdoms without conquering them?

They will never answer the question.

Remind them of how minority group changed the name of their town from Obigbo to Oyigbo. Ask them to change the name back first before we can talk about ilorin

l I am seriously tired of these people with cooked up stories. They are the ones that owns every where. They are the ones that built LAGOS State with their gala sales and imported furniture as well as generators.. If they want to mention, they will mention Uba as an oil magnate, they will mention coscharis. They won't let us breathe fresh air because some of their less than 3% businessmen in western Nigeria, precisely Lagos and environment.. Ibos want to suffocate us. where do they put Funmilayo ALAKIJA? where do they put OTEDOLA FOR A START? JAGABAN NKO? IBOS ARE JUST NOISE MAKERS SIMPLY BECAUSE YORUBA(OGBOMOSOS)who WERE ORIGINALLY in the trade of buying and selling and are mostly not into it again in Nigeria but in other countries which IBOS FOLLOWED after YORUBAS ARE ALWAYS TRAIL BLAZER BECAUSE GOD ALWAYS USE YORUBA TO DO THINGS NO MAN HAS DONE BEFORE IN AFRICA....... LET IBOS GO AND LEARN... THEY SHOULD READ THE STORY OF THE FIRST MAN IN THE HISTORY OF AFRICAN WORLD TO HAVE TRAVELLED 87 STOPS ACROSS DIFFERENT COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD WITH HIS MOTORBIKE (OLABISI AJALA)

pazienza:
Bla bla bla! No one cares. We know your history, your Arewa partners or is it masters had spoken.

What ever you had going on with them, We don't care. We are only interested in making sure you become eternally trapped with them in Boko Islamic republic of Arewa-oduanistan, free from us, where you both can finish off your marriage Afonja started many years ago.

SO YOU DON'T KNOW OBA OF JEBBA. YOU BETTER GO TO CHURCH AND REPENT OF YOUR HATRED FOR YOUR YORUBA ETHNICITY. ELSE YOU WILL WALLOW IN BITTERNESS AND SUBJUGATION. YORUBAS DON'T HAVE YOUR COOKED UP FALSIFIED STORY.. LET ME GIVE YOU A WEEKEND GIFT...





THE PICTURE OF OBA JEBBA

pazienza:
Zik never threatened Awolowo or the North with War should they secede. He made it clear that anything more than diplomacy was not for him.
Don't know the war you speak of.

We know the slaves of Nigeria, their masters are always there to point us right.

"...We also captured Ilorin, killed their local King
and installed our Fulani Emir. We took that ancient
town away from the barbarian Yoruba and their
filthy pagan gods. We liberated all these places
and all these people by imposing Islam on them by
force. It was either the Koran or the sword, and
most of them chose the Koran..."

No Igboman stood on Awolowo or Yolobas path to secession in 50's, Awolowo was as always speaking with both side of the mouth. Just as no one stood on your path to secession in 1960's but Awolowo again chose Nigeria , driven by greed and lust for power, ganged up with Gowon, dissolved the regional set up of Nigeria and to worsen it, Awolowo economic blueprint that led to indigenization of foreign companies led to the death of those companies at the hands of incompetent greedy yolobas who Awolowo ensured acquired them after his 20 pounds policy took the Igbos out of the equation.
Yoloba incompetence and greed killed the Nigerian public sector post 1970 when they inherited the bulk of them.

To make matters worst another treacherous Yoloba man called OBJ enacted the demonic land use decree that killed what was left of Nigeria.

Yolobas are the reason Nigeria will remain a failed Colonial entity.

Zik believed Nigeria is indissoluble, because he was ready to negotiate the feasiblity of Nigeria, he was ready to sacrifice power to keep it united.

You Ibos are quite funny with your flaw views without research... Wha about the time zik ABADONED THE IBOS AND JOINED NIGERIA'S GOVERNMENT DURING 1967-1970 EHN? You quoted a loser that they don't even know in Ilorin. Who in Ilorin you know that has come out to tell you “ I AM A FULANI MAN OR WOMAN?, DO YOU KNOW BEFORE THE BRITISH COLONIALIST WICKEDLY CARVED ILORIN TO NORTH, OYO HAD STATIONED HIS REPRESENTATIVE IN ILORIN? DO YOU KNOW THE ILORIN PEOPLE MENTION IT TO BRITISH COLONIALIST THAT THEY BELONGED WITH THE WEST? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THERE IS OBA IN JEBBA? THIS IS A PLACE AFTER ILORIN .THIS IS MY PROBLEM WITH IBOS. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ACCOUNT OF YOUR OWN HISTORY YET YOU DELVE INTO ANOTHER MAN'S HISTORY WHOSE HISTORY YOU BARELY KNOW. I AM SORRY FOR YOU..

absoluteSuccess:
I agree with you bro, the white folks are ahead of us in human capacity development. We owe a lot to them for the trails they were able to blaze. We were just as good at the onset of time, I believe we got too comfortable after the migration and yet to be fully recovered from all the' isms'.

We will get there some day.

Ashé wa ni agbara Elédua

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks for the info bro.

Please is your reference from the book 'Ife, the genesis of Yoruba race'?

I think that book is one of the best on Yoruba/Ife history.

Yes sir... Chief Fabunmi did his best on the history of Yoruba. Although, there are 1000s+ books written on Yoruba history by both whites and black men, especially Yoruba descent. However, the western researchers do I lay more emphasis on toward my own thesis to seek some information because these western researchers would had paid thousands of dollars before certain information could be given to them even if the information aren't always complete while many would had been to a large extent initiated to Yoruba cults groups to establish a bond... Unlike our own flesh and blood that will see themselves as part and parcel of the ethnicity. And if they want to offer any brown envelope as a member of the society at all, it will be lesser than what the western world researchers could offer and these western researchers see what individual or collective Yoruba ethnicity don't see. They're over thousands of years + ahead of us in archeological finding and human history discoveries...

Vorpal:
Even 2pac, Eminem and Nas are not to be compared to Jay Z or level to such rappers.

Tupac? Same Tupac of Dear Mama,Unborn child,Brenda's got a baby?,Keep ya head up? California love?, Two of amerikaz most wanted? How do you want it? Changes? All eyes on me? Or How do you want it?

None of Jay z tacks ever came close to those songs! You can not listen to Tupac songs and not hear his heartbeat or feel his pulse.

The only dude on Tupac's level is Biggie, and that's because his style is more smooth and relaxed with much rhythm to his lyrics.

But Jay Z?,in the words of Remy "that's hella foul!".

I see Eminem as a combination of a bit of Tupac and Biggie. That dude is ruthless with his lyrics! Plus I like how he keeps his style simple and not playing or forming Don. That I would rank above Tupac or Biggie.
His lyrics just does it.

So true, Jay Z style is always about forming the ‘BOSS' but no good rhyme in most of his songs compared to EMINEM because he songs are more real as he talk about real life pains, sorrow, aspirations, regrets etc which make him more into reckoning. Eminem is a core rapper with nothing to proof as superior to anyone but sings as being inspired to inspire the downcast and for all to enjoy his songs....He is the king of singer compared to TUPAC who naturally lived in likewise manner when he was around...

tosyne2much:
This is coming from another realist

In as much as I won't advise any woman to condone a cheating husband, I always shake my head for the ignorance and nativity of these inexperienced ladies that are being swayed by the love movies they watch on soap opera and local videos.

Many people who are in abusive marriages today never bargained for it. In fact, most of them never even saw those signs coming when they were at the elementary stage of courtship... Meaning that, the calamity that befell Tiwa and Tonto Dike can even befall those ladies throwing shades at them, which I don't pray for (this is not the matter of "it's not my portion"

Many marriages today have its ups and downs which usually come in various forms.. Some men don't cheat on their wives but maltreat them, some beat their wives, some are uncaring and stingy, some cheat and still rob in on their wives' faces, etc

Ladies just have to prepare their minds that marriages are not as flawless as they're being portrayed in Philippines movies and Nollywood movies.

The ugly truth many ladies dont want to hear is that, what you refused to change at puberty, a mere ring can't it.. A guy can swear an oath of fidelity and faithfulness on the altar yet he will still be found cheating afterwards. Maybe because nature allow men to cheat and get away with it, while women are castigated for the same immoral behaviour. (it's a man's world they say)

All these ladies ranting on Nairaland should always pray that they dont find themselves in Tonto Dike type of marriage because if they do, they will continue to live with the pains for the rest of their lives.. By then, all these attitudes of "I don't settle for less" or "I will dump his ass" attitudes displayed on Nairaland will be thrown to the wind

I agree with you on many of the instances but there is a particular aspect that needed be trashed out. This aspect has to do with infidelity which most times lead to wife assault and the unrealistic advocacy of modern African /Nigerian ladies. There is a norm in the Western religion (Christianity) that has given Females the opportunity to increasing abuse the role naturally designed for them because of perversion on the interpretation of the Bible . And basically,the natural role of a woman is being good mother in many African tribes or ethnicity vis à vis their tradition .Although flaws are inevitable in these tradition as civilisations from the African developmental perspective were halted by the Conquering Western world. The Africans traditional setting didn't at anytime give any woman equal rights with her male counterpart. But today, you find many women overlording themselves on their husbands. Every woman married to a man want her husband to do her bidding. A married African man will tell you as a husband how his wife want him to get a better apartment, a better car, a better wardrobe for herself first and her husband's wardrobe coming after hers yet with non realistic salary or earning . She is the ones who will load her husband's apartment with her nieces ,siblings ,cousins, etc ,still with struggling earning by the man. She mostly careless and she just want to be happy at the detriment of the struggling husband. The modern African women is promiscuous in all ramification which is due to western civilization and not western education. Doubt? at tender age, she easily seduces male counterparts who had no knowledge of what she wants . Western Christianity is superb if it is followed in precept, because the Bible specifically referred to many of the great men having more than one wife. For example, Moses, Jacob, David, in fact, King Solomon had over a 1000 wives and over 700 concubine etc . This doesn't nullify the law that support one man and a woman being one union. The point here is that an African man or the Bible didn't stop a man being married to more women if he is not satisfied with being with one. The Islamic law on marriage and right is even more harsh on the role of a woman in a marriage or family because all her desire must perpetually be directed towards her husband's desire, which makes absolutely subjective to her husband without rights except her husband think otherwise. It is noteworthy to point out that soap opera,foreign mode of dressing, self pride, deceptiveness and unsatisfactory attitudes are not the only detrimental to their role as mothers whom ought to teach their children either male or female a must well behaved life style but women are naturally Cunning . And all these are expected to have been analyse critically to enhance the change expected which is due to developments in humans sphere of modern African women,in as much as they want to equate themselves to the role played by men but never practicable. For example, they claim the western proverbs; what a man can do, a woman can do it better. Is this true? Of course not, because a man can decide to have 100 Children from different women, can a woman do in the like manner by having 100 children from different men? The genuine optional role for woman is to be tender, humble, less demanding,less nagging, non promiscuous, respect the role divinely given to men as men and not seeking self glorification. Once these rules are obeyed, women will always have a man by side virtually listening to her all the time and he won't even dare look elsewhere for another WOMAN ....

absoluteSuccess:
Of course you are right, its some kind of trinity:

He left his throne that he once shared with Obatala and build up Saki and late went to build Idanre. Whatever you think, he did. In fact, your thought is a pieces of history. This is how you get your facts isn't it?

None of the sons of Oduduwa was said to have come here, so its a save haven for baseless assumptions. I'm suprise you want to make 'history' this way by thinking similar ideas up and correlating them

Are you still a learner? Is this a fake or a fancy story in the making? Or maybe you are not sure what you are thinking? The source for this piece is to be found in the figment of your imagination.

Ooni Ogun died in saki and buried in saki.. Owa Aremitan, was been credited to have formed Idanre (Fabunmi M. A 1985)

tosyne2much:
That's true.. You should know I barely engage in cyber war Poo happens sha

You got the point ... Some fans naturally are perpetually waiting for your next series of the 10s inline.... It is already an addiction for a lot of people... cheers

tosyne2much:
You don't have to carry my matter on ya head . Who even cares if you view or comment? ... If they mean crap to you, you can always hit your head on the wall

Lemme get this to your skull, do you know that the crap fetches me money in a little way? You stay here all night and day wasting your precious time on irrelevant matters and trading words with people yet nothing to show for it

I don't even know about your existence if not for this thread

Mio raye osi jawe

You need not make enemies bro on a Funky Friday.... He could end up being a fan of yours. Perhaps, he is already a fan. More fans =more l'argent...

CONTD

Things returned to normal but it appeared Gowon had overstayed. Another coup brought Muritala Muhammad. He too was assassinated in another coup attempt six months after. Obasanjo, again a lucky man, came to the seat. Another thing he did was to follow Murtala’s programme by handing over power to a civilian in 1979. He handed over to Shagari. Then, a chain of coup followed until 1999. That man spent only four years when Buhari overthrew him. Buhari himself was overthrown by Ibrahim Babangida, who left office disgruntledly. Sanni Abacha later kicked out the Interim Administration of Ernest Shonekan, which Babangida left. Abacha died in office after five years. Abdulsalami Abubakar was to later return the country to the civilian regime of Obasanjo.

YORUBA NEVER STAGED ANY COUP:
The first and second coup. The first coup was labelled Igbo, the second, Hausa coup. That has caused trouble and distrust all over the country till today. We Yoruba don’t know our worth. We should be the beautiful bride of the country. We did not take part in any coup. The only problem we have is that Yorubas are not together. Everybody wants to be a leader. There are too many political parties and we don’t want to come together. If there had been togetherness in the Yoruba nation, we would be the beautiful bride of the country. People shout about Awolowo today because of the way Yoruba people believe in respecting their leaders both dead and alive. Regrettably, we missed that area since Awolowo left. Since Awolowo and Akintola quarrelled, our politicians have not been able to have one leader.
The nation is a bigger problem- more political parties, more division. About 70 per cent of the nation’s money meant for development is used for salaries and allowances of these office holders. The rest 30 per cent is siphoned away by corrupt public officers. So many projects have been abandoned.

PRESIDENTIAL IS TOO COSTLY:

Presidential system of government is too expensive
A lot people have been asking what type of government we are running, that this presidential system is too expensive. In the system, you have so many ministers and advisers. For instance, when I was in Western Region, I had only 12 commissioners – six from the Action Group, which were the owner of the West then, three from NCNC and three from NNDP. And we ruled the West comfortably and made a lot of progress. Why should we now have 50 people as ministers? Parliamentary system is better than presidential because the former is cheaper than the latter. That is why we are stagnant today. I personally support parliamentary system. On top of that, I feel that the state that formed the regions then should go back to their regional positions. By that, they would assume more responsibilities and develop at their own pace.

Presidential system of government is too expensive
A lot people have been asking what type of government we are running, that this presidential system is too expensive. In the system, you have so many ministers and advisers. For instance, when I was in Western Region, I had only 12 commissioners – six from the Action Group, which were the owner of the West then, three from NCNC and three from NNDP. And we ruled the West comfortably and made a lot of progress. Why should we now have 50 people as ministers? Parliamentary system is better than presidential because the former is cheaper than the latter. That is why we are stagnant today. I personally support parliamentary system. On top of that, I feel that the state that formed the regions then should go back to their regional positions. By that, they would assume more responsibilities and develop at their own pace.

They will not rely on oil alone to progress. Again, I feel that there are certain things that the Federal Government should do and there are ones which the state and the local governments should handle. Personally, I feel that the local government should be for the traditional rulers, because they were the owners of the people then. They have the respect of their people and their people believe in them. If the traditional ruler would have any thing to do with the state or Federal Government, it should be on respectable manners. The traditional ruler should perform political and economics duties of their areas.
That is my own personal view. Some people will have different views. Federal Government ought to perform advisory functions on some of the jobs it is doing now. For example, I think primary schools are for the local government, secondary for the state and university for the Federal Government. And if states have enough money, they can still establish their own universities and technical colleges as well.
Another thing that bothers me and which I know will bother others is unemployment. There are graduates in town with no jobs. Crime is on the increase. Some robbers are highly educated but have no job to do. Another thing is security. There is no security at all. People are afraid whether you are on the road or at home. But government is trying. The security of the nation belongs to the police and not the army. The army is to defend the territorial integrity of the country.
Nigeria’s problem and political reform
Leaders and elders of the country must sit down and talk if we want the country as one. We must forget the past and talk about the future. If this generation- my generation- fails to solve the problem of this country, the next generation will not solve it. It would cause more trouble. Don’t forget that Obasanjo organised one political reform in which I participated. We discussed and agreed on so many things. One of two things we hotly debated and which we have not agreed on is the resource control. We were on this when Obasanjo suddenly cancelled the conference and drove all of us away, yet he spent a lot of money on the conference.
OBASANJO THE LUCKIEST EVER:
The North picked him when he was release from the prison. And you will recall that Yoruba people did not vote for him in his first term but he won the election. I held a meeting of Yoruba organisation in my house every Wednesday. We called it Egbe Ilosiwaju Yoruba (Yoruba Progressives). When Obasanjo was released from prison someone brought him here one day. He was so glad to see us and said the meeting was a mini government because of what we were discussing there. About a year before Obasanjo’s second term, we discussed at the Yoruba Council of Elders. We thought he was using Yoruba quota, hence we should talk to him.
We decided at our meeting that we should talk to Obasanjo and give him condition for which Yoruba will vote for him. He asked us to meet him at Ota. I did not go with them. I decide not to go because he probably would not say his mind, having known me as an ex-soldier like him and his boss before. Probably I would have been too frank with him. I told Abraham Adesanya to lead the team to Ota.
They discussed very well. Adesanya told him that Yoruba people were ready to vote for him this time around but on the condition that he would leave the South-West governors in their positions. Obasanjo agreed.
The team came back to tell me about the agreement. I asked them: “Did you sign any agreement with him?” They said “no.” Then, Segun Osoba said: ‘Don’t worry sir, I’m very close to him.’ I said no problem. Having gone underground to tell people to vote for Obasanjo, three weeks before elections, he and his party representatives started going round to tell people that the agreement he had with our team was that we should not kill ourselves or burn our properties, knowing full well that it was too late for us to get back to the people not to vote for him. That was how he got the second term without honouring the agreement.

Then, we had rumours that he wanted to do a third term. I phoned him to give me a date that I wanted to come and talk to him. He gave me a date and I went. We settled down and I said: “Oba, (that is what I call him) I heard and some other people heard too that you wanted to do a third term. Look, if I were you I wouldn’t do it. You are the luckiest man in this country, having been military head of State for three years and you are about to finish two terms of a civilian regime, which makes 11 years of your ruling the country. Those that brought independence for us did not have opportunity to rule the country more than four years.” He said he had not told anybody that he wanted third term but people were spreading the rumour. I told him that if he knew those people he should call them and told them to stop spreading rumour. I did not know that he had the agenda close to himself. Then, the thing blew into the open and it was taken to the Senate where it was killed.
Naturally, because of the antecedent of the two families, people would tend to think that Umar Yar’Adua is Obasanjo’s puppet. And from Yar’Adua’s action now, one would think he is a puppet and an extension of Obasanjo’s third term. Quite reasonably, Obasanjo will try to use Yar’Adua but I don’t think the guy is playing along because he has reversed some of Obasanjo’s programmes. Naturally, he will have respect for him and expect some assistance to come from Obasanjo – honest assistance. Unfortunately, some psychopants are still surrounding Obasanjo. I doubt if these psychopants are not around Yar’Adua too. There, I think, some people around both of them, who discuss together. To say Yar’Adua is Obasanjo’s puppet is an unfair statement, because the boy is doing well – slowly so far. We have no reason to suspect him. Nigeria is a big country. He is educated and once a governor, so, he knows a lot about the country. And naturally again, he cannot drive Obasanjo away like that. He has to quietly disengage him.
MY LIFE AT 80:

Well, it has been very interesting one way or the other. On the other hand, I have gone through a lot of tribulations, especially from the first military coup until I retired from the army in 1975. But nevertheless, I enjoyed life from the time I was a young officer in the army and the time I retired. After my retirement, I saw a lot of things a civilian as a civilian. I found out the military life is completely different from civilian life, particularly on the rule of the country and the behaviour of individuals and group of people. In comparison, I think I had a very interesting military life. Initially, it was hard but thereafter, I had more responsibilities as I moved up. I got into the army and was commissioned in 1953.
In 1957, I became the Aide-de-Camp to the last British Governor-General, Sir James Robertson. That was the time I knew the political leaders of the country like Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, Sir Ahmadu Bello and Tafawa Balewa. Because of my job, I had to see them in and off the cabinet meetings everyday. The most interesting part of my military life was when I was appointed as the first Chief of Staff, Nigerian Army Headquartres under the then GOC of Nigerian Army, General Welby Everald during his second term, before he left Nigeria. That was when Gowon, Ojukwu and David Ejoor were officers working in various department under me as Chief of staff at the Ministry of Defence. I was later nominated to go on a course at the Imperial Defence College, London. I handed over as Chief-of –Staff, Army Headquartres to another officer, Colonel Kur Muhammed around 15 November 1965.

MY ADVICE TO NIGERIA:
My advice to the entire country is: one, we must trust ourselves. Two, we must believe in one country. Three, we must curb the rising wave of corrupting in the country. It is becoming too much and we are losing our respect abroad. Four, we must not ask where anybody comes from within the country before he is given a job or position. There is strength in unity. And lastly, if we collectively agree we should go back to parliamentary system where each state or geo-political zone will stand and develop at its own pace. That, I believe will bring peace to the country.
Excerpt from this interview was first published 2008 during late General ADEYINKA ADEBAYO 80th birthday anniversary.
May the soul of Pa Robert a brilliant soldier rest in perfect peace.
I commiserate with Gov. Barr. Niyi Adebayo and the entire family.


COURTESY :PRINCE RICH ADETULE

HOW I ESCAPED DANJUMA'S KILLER SQUAD- GEN. ADEYINKA ADEBAYO.
But for mother luck, General Robert Adeyinka Adebayo, the former Military Governor of Western Region, would have been swept aside by the high tide of the counter-coup that convulsed the country in July 1966.
Night of long knives
Hours before the bedlam came to town, Nigerian Army Headquartres’s first Chief of Staff had just flown into the country from the Imperial College, London. Straight from the airport he checked into a guest house before dashing out to visit friends and a cousin of his. Realising that the night was spent, his cousin prevailed on him to spend the night with him.
While cocooned in his cousin’s house, a killer squad stormed the guest house in search of him. It is hard to guess what his fate would have been if the deadly squad Could allegedly dispatch by Gen. Theophilus Danjuma had met him.
HAUSA COUP:
How I escaped the counter -coup
At the imperial College, the students were going on a world tour, which was normal. I phoned Ironsi and Ogundipe, who was the Chief of general Staff that I would want to come to Nigeria to find out what the foreign policy of Nigeria. I needed to be properly informed before the tour. Both of them agreed that I should come home.
So, I left London on the evening of 28 July aboard Nigeria Airways and got to Lagos in the morning of July 29. Ogundipe sent a cat to pick me at the airport and take me to the guest house where I would stay. I took my luggage to the guest house and went round town to meet friends I had left behind. I moved round until late in the night and ended up in my cousin’s house, Adeyemi (now late). I was with him discussing about Nigeria, Iyin Ekiti and other sundry matters until about 9.00pm when I was about leaving, he insisted I should pass the night with him


I told him I was still putting on the dress I wore from London. He went in and brought me pyjamas. So, I stayed. We woke up the following morning and another coup had taken place! One, some of them knew I was coming home for consultation. The security at the airport knew I was in the country and there was security around the guest house. Luckily, I did not sleep at the guest house that night. Naturally, one or two people knew that I was coming into the country.
Funny enough, my cousin did not know anything about the coup and in any case, he was not a soldier. He was an Architect working for an engineering company at Ribadu Road in Ikoyi. I did not know about it either. If I had known about it, I wouldn’t have come to Nigeria. God saved me by asking him not to let me go to the guest house the previous night because the coup plotters I was later told, came to my room at the guest house. Tension grew. Ogundipe was next in rank to Ironsi. Under normal military situation, he was to take over as the Head of State.

But I think the people from the North had planned that they wouldn’t want anybody to take over except a Northerner. Gowon was the most senior Northern officer at that time. When we got the news that he was billed to take over, I later went to Sir Adetokunbo Ademola, who was then the Chief Justice of Nigeria and Chief S. L. Edu and some Yoruba elders and told them what happened. They were then looking for a Yoruba officer to take over in the West because the governor, Adekunle Fajuyi, was killed alongside Ironsi. They were taken away from the Government House to Ede Road and shot there. I was senior to Fajuyi by one rank.
The old men tried to persuade me to take over the governorship of the West. I said no because the Northerners wanted Gowon to take over. They said that no reasonable Yoruba officer would be appointed if I refuse to take over.
They said that no reasonable Yoruba officer would be appointed if I refuse to take over. Then, the West was tough. For three days, we were on this. Sir Adetokunbo Ademola had a good friend in Kaduna, Sir Kashim. Whether he was then Northern Region Governor, I wouldn’t know now. They started negotiating. At the end, I was convinced to go to Ibadan. On august 4, 1966, I moved to Ibadan. You will notice that for three or four days, there was no government. I tried to reconcile the people in Ibadan because they had had a lot of problems too. Chief Awolowo was till in prison. Because I wanted stability in the West, I convince Gowon and the Supreme Military Council to release Chief Awolowo. He was released and we made him the Vice Chairman of the Executive Council and the Commissioner for Finance.
IGBO COUP Vs HAUSA COUP:
January and July 1966 Coups. My course started around January 1966 and when I heard that a coup had taken place in Nigeria, I was shocked. There was no hint that junior officers were up to such a thing. Many military and political leaders were killed then.

Aguyi Ironsi, who had taken over as the GOC from General Welby Everald, became the Head of State. People however, thought Ironsi did not take any action against the officers, who staged the coup, or that perhaps he was slow in taking any action against the coupists. This accusation went round the nation and unfortunately, another coup took place in which Ironsi was killed. I personally feel he was slow in acting and that might have brought the second coup. A lot of the people killed in the first couple were from the North. Some people felt it was an Igbo coup. When the second coup took place and Ironsi and others were killed, some people also felt it was an Hausa coup.

He had visited the Western Region on 28 July, 1966. Danjuma was on the entourage of Ironsi to Mid-West and West where Ironsi was assassinated with Fajuyi.
One must not blame Victoria Ironsi for being hard on Danjuma. They assassinated her husband and left her to cater for eight children all alone. She did not believe what happened could happen because all of us (officers) were doing everything together when we were in Kaduna. I’m sure if the same thing happens to me my wife will go haywire. It is true that if you were on somebody’s entourage, it is your duty to protect him. If such an officer on the entourage of the Head of State is the most senior of the group, naturally, if he doesn’t personally use his gun to kill that senior officer, somebody from the group did the killing.
Let us be honest: who arranged the bringing down of Ironsi and Fajuyi? If Danjuma is the one that brought them down, that means that there was a gang-up to summon down officers like Ironsi. I think Danjuma is not being fair. His job on the entourage of the Head of State is beyond ordinary. He should be the one to be first hit if anything is aimed at the Head of State. At the same time, I can also sympathise with Danjuma for not saying he killed Ironsi. If I did it, I won’t say I kill somebody unless I was met during the process. The only people that were not really involved were the Yoruba, although we also had our internal problems. We did not partake in the first and the second coup and our men were killed. Some people talk about Wale Ademoyega, Ifeajuna’s friend. That one is a rascal. We know the people that are rascals. They were university boys, who wanted to get to the top before their forefathers.
THE CIVIL WAR: A personality war
We were running the government when suddenly Ojukwu said he could not work under Gowon because they were contemporary at the Army Headquartres. That was when the problem with the East started. It led to civil war which lasted for 30 months.
Before the civil war, we negotiated with Ojukwu individually and collectively. We went to Aburi in Ghana to settle the impasse. Unfortunately, both parties could not agree on certain grey arrears. I now said let me make the last effort in talking with Ojukwu. I told Gowon and he obliged me to go and meet Ojukwu in Onitsha. I thought the governor of Mid-West, David Ejoor, would go with me, but he was unavailable.
So, I had to risk going alone. I discussed at length with Ojukwu. That was the day one of Chief Awolowo’s daughters was getting married and I was supposed to be at that wedding. But I felt I should first attend to an important national issue. That was why I went to meet Ojukwu. My wife, however, went to the wedding and I hoped I would meet them at the reception after the meeting with Ojukwu. And I did. Tension had mounted at the reception when they did not see me. People felt Ojukwu had taken or killed me in Onitsha. A big shout greeted my arrival later.
Ojukwu’s aim during the war was to capture Lagos. He had to move through Mid-west and the West to Lagos. When I knew they had approached us, I called my engineers at the Ministry of Works and asked them what to do to prevent the rebels from capturing the West. One of the, Engineer Akande (now late) informed me that there were some explosives we could use to blow all the bridges in West

He spotted all the bridges surrounding West and Mid-West. So, when the rebels got too close to us, I asked Akande to blow all the bridges. Because of the noise of the explosions, the Biafran people thought we’ve already got big guns to fight. Ojukwu knew the type of weapons we had when we were together anyway. That was how I saved the West and Lagos. Benjamin Adekunle was then commanding the Nigerian troops. When Adekunle was getting tired at the war front we taught he should be replaced for we did not want to lose the areas he had captured.
Olusegun Obasanjo was later appointed to take over from Adekunle. Luckily, for Obasanjo, he wrapped up the war. The war that was nearing completion and he got the credit on the platter of gold.

MtuMsuper:
don't feed him. he's very needy, and not worth the effort and money.

Quite expected of you and your likes. Same ideology with no ideal theory. 35% can be squandered by your Kenya's government that can be classified as a corrupt country in the like manner of other African countries. The 25% owned by ghost investors with dubious names as being practise in a developing countries.. Now, the 40% belong to the external investors whose funds are jealously protected because of accountability. So, enjoy your safaricom monopoly Telecom sector.... Young and hot blooded won't learn private driven entity thrive continuously because of accountability... It seem obvious that you are high on your local gin.....

Stop telling lies.

- Ogunwusi as a surname started with the Ooni's great grandfather taking his father's first name as his surname. The actual surname was Adegosan, some still use it in the compound. I see you want to quickly twist luusi and ogunwusi as one.

- Olu & Akin are prefixes for renonwned warriors, hunters and chiefs. Stop lying, you area fraud.

- - I see you have brought your twist-craft from Israel to Ife & Olusin.

Aja or Ajamaiye has nothing to do with Oduduwa.



http://owamilereehinmabo..com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1



http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday


Ajamaiye was a 19th century invention, stop lying.

-- Ayikiti (Degbin's son) sought the help of Ogunsigun of Ijebu Igbo & Fabunmi of Oke Imesi who was the head of Ekiti contigent and must have sent Ajamaye down to Ife.

See:



http://owamilereehinmabo..com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

-- LOL! See wahala o. You have drawn up a conclusion from just one line of 'Omo Degbin mo nlo re Igbo de Omo Luusi' - the child of Degbin I am going to wait in the forest/bushes for the child of Luusi'

In Ooni's oriki many towns were mentioned ranging from Owu, Akoko, Ekiti, Ipole etc. According to your theory these towns automatically have ancestral ties to Giesi, correct?

Degbin Kumbusu, was the Ooni when Modakake sacked Ife and sent us running to Isoya, forest. It was at the same time Ekitiparapo war was raging and the period Mr. Ogeh aka Ajamaye must have come to the aid of Ife.

Or because my house Oriki says 'omo a s'oro gbe agba re Ekiti la lu' means we have ties with Ekiti abi?

-- This person is a deluded funk.

'Oke l'eyin Morire' has a historic underpinning. There's a town hall at Moore built by Larooka, predecessor of Giesi, to which Giesi built a support like a pillar behind to keep the hall standing.

This is what Oke Leyin Moore means.

Why are you so deluded?

-- Ooni ria means 'our Ooni'. 'ria' in Ife is equivalent to 'wa' which means our.

You are a very funny person. Your knowledge of things in a minor fraction and instead of expanding your knowledge first, you want to dabble into things beyond you.

Here is the oriki of lusi:



I see you wanted to twist that to mean Lajoodogun, ole ni iwo man yi.

Omo okerile alagada ogun/omo oke orile oni agada okun - child of oke orile the owner of agada of ogun.

You're a straight up fraudulent person.

Peole can now see through how you came about your Israel & Ife fraud.

LAZY SCHOLAR... ASK YOUR SUPERIOR TO INTERPRET .OLODO JATI JATI



ote jale Omo Ayi kiti Ogun Omo etiri Ogun Kare o Leyoo aje okun Ooni Ajere aboju jojo New Ooni of Ife, Enitan Ogunwusi Oke leyin Moore O taye so bi igba Omo Laade Omo Ibi ro Omo ajongbodo Omo osun meru ti kun Omo ibi ola ti n wa Omo Ayikiti Ogun tiri Ogun Mo rejana bi oni roko aburo etiri Omo Degbin



ni roko aburo etiri Omo Degbin Mo nlo nre igbode


Omo Luusi Omo arugbo-ile igbode abika lorun Omo o fose foso, komo Olominrin feeru fo Omo oke mo ri tikun aya sile. Omo afinju oloja mo ledena meji Omo afinju oloja mo re pole owu. wari oore naa ke e momo Olominrin, Ona na ro mo Ooni ria.






YOU ARE SO DISAPPOINTING THAT YOU CAN'T DIFFERENTIATE WHEN THERE IS A PAUSE,IN SENTENCE ,OR A PHRASE. SO PATHETIC, BREAKING A EULOGY THAT WAS ALREADY BEEN USED TO IDENTIFY PERSONALITY.... GO BACK TO JUNIOR SCHOOL TO LEARN, PHRASE, SENTENCE, AND PUNCTUATION IN ENGLISH



ORO NA DUN O FÈ KÈ.....

Honestly, you offer good comic relief I swear.

You are very petty and you are not very bright with history.

You and Ooni do not have similar Oriki, stop deluding yourself. Not even Adimula of Ife Odan has the same Oriki with Ogboru or Giesi not to speak of a Chief under Olubaka.

Have you looked up Obalesun & Ideta and compared?

....Hahahaha..... Who owns KAARE O'BA? I guess OONI... ISN'T IT RIGHT? WHO IS OMO OKE? I guess OONI.... YOU ARE THE ONE INCONSISTENCY WITH HISTORY.... USI EKITI WAS AN OFF SHOOT OF CREATION.... NOW ASK THEM WHO OLUUSI WAS... EMURE HAS RECORD OF THE PRINCE CALLED LUUSI....ASK EMURE EKITI, IKOLE EKITI HAS RECORD OF OWA LUUSI ...ASK THEM......... THE LINEAGE OF HIS PRIEST'S FAMILY IS AGBO FAMILY IN CARE OF LANROYE AND THE OGUN PRIEST IS AFORO FAMILY..... ALL THESE INFORMATION HASN'T EVEN ADDRESS HIS PERSONAL ORIKI.. HAS IT? ..I AM HERE TO MAKE A KING MAKER KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRINCE AND KING MAKER'S SON... I AM EXPOSING HIS EXPLOIT AS A WARRIOR AND PRINCE. TELL ONE SON OF ODUA THAT DIDN'T ENGAGE IN A BATTLE?START FROM AJAGUNLA FAGBAMILA TI ILA TABI OLALOMI AKIN TI OFFA? AFTER ALL, YOU HAD OPINED THAT PRINCES DON'T BEAR AKIN AS WELL AS OLU. SO, SHAMEFUL TO SEE A MAN OF SUCH AGE AS YOURS WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND A SIMPLE YORUBA HISTORY... BUT ADORNED HIMSELF WITH ONLY SAMUEL JOHNSON EPIC BOOK THAT MADE NONSENSE OF OONI PERSONAGE AS NOT HAVING A PATRILINEAL LINK TO ODUA, BUT AS A CUSTODIAN OF ODUA SHRINE WHO WAS TERMED AS “OMO OLUWO WO NI". I CAN'T JUST IMAGINE YOUR SHALLOW DEPTH, HONESTLY I CAN'T FATHOM IT. YET A PSEUDO INTELLIGENT INTERN PHD I EXPRESS OF HAVING KNOWLEDGE? ARE YOU NOT A DISAPPOINTMENT TO SCHOLARS? YOU OUTRIGHTLY LACKED SUBSTANCE...I NEED NOT CLAIM AS AN ATTACHEE, KINGMAKER, IT IS A LINEAGE THING. YOU ARE THE ONE INTERESTED IN KNOWING LUUSI HISTORY.. ASK THE PLACES I MENTIONED IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A RECORD OF PRINCE FROM ILE IFE.. WHO WAS PRAISED AS KAARE O'BA MI..... A TERM USED FOR OONI THAT HAD SPAN OVER 300 YEARS...... A CHIEF YOU CALL ME? COOL BUT YOU CAN'T BE CALLED A CHIEF IN YORUBA LAND IF YOU ARE NOT FROM A NOBLE FAMILY OR KING'S FAMILY, ISNT IT RIGHT? HOWEVER BRING OUT YOUR OWN FATHER'S PATRILINEAL LINEAGE THAT HAD ONE SIMILAR EXPLOIT OWA LUUSI ? I CHALLENGE YOU TO IT...... I AM CERTAIN YOU DON'T HAVE . I AM GOING TO Show YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ODUA DESCENDANTS AND KINGMAKER LIKE YOU IN PARTICULAR WHO DOESN'T HAVE RESPECT FOR TRADITION.... AT THE RIGHT TIME I will CHURN OUT HIS PERSONAL ORIKI AND COMPARE IT WITH YOURS.... LET ME EVEN SHOCK A PSUEDO PHD INTERN... OLUUSI DIED AROUND 1630s. NOW, YOU CAN SEE HOW GREAT HE MUST HAD BEEN FOR his GREAT GRAND SON TO BE ADDRESSED WITH RECOGNITION FROM OONI. I AM LAUGHING AT YOUR NON EXPOSURE TO THE TRUTH...YOU WILL RUN FROM THE SITE, I TELL YOU BEFORE I FINISH UP WITH YOU AS FACT ARE IN HANDS OR AT MY DISPOSAL AS A PATRILINEAL DESCENDANT OF LUUSI.... ENJOY THE BITTER TRUTH

IranjeIdita:
Go to Giesi house and make noise that you are their relatively and see how you'd be bundledto Ife general hospital mental department

Since you asked, my maternal line is of Okiti Royal house ag Igbodo and my Grandma's paternal line is of Giesi Agbedegbede II at Okerewe.

My paternal Grandma is from Orunto compound.

Your panegyric does not even come close to that of Ogunsuwa of Modakeke.

Go and sit down, the son of Mr. Ajamaye ordinary war mercenary.

PAIN YOU AND IT WILL PAIN YOU... I DON'T NEED GO TO CLAIM ATTACHE BECAUSE I AM ALREADY RECOGNISED.... HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN? MY ORIKI IS ALREADY IN OONI'S ORIKI... AND THAT ALONE SHOWED I AM MORE SUPERIOR THAN YOU......LAZY FELLA ...THE PLACE I MENTIONED OUT OF MANY PLACES LUUSI ESTABLISHED.. OMIALADE... BELONGED TO LUUSI....... SEE YOUR LIFE....WHAT DOES ADE CONNOTE IN 16th century? AM MOCKING YOU.... SERIOUSLY I AM MOCKING YOU....... THIS UNKNOWN PERSONALITY THAT CAN'T EVEN BE STUDIOUS ENOUGH BUT CLAIMING A MEMBER OF ASSOCIATION THAT'S LIKE SACHET WATER ONE DRINKS FOR MANY YORUBAS.. WE BEAR ADE in our NAMES IN MY LINEAGE.. NOT ADEWUNMI BUT CONFIRM “ADE" NAMES. à bientôt ....

IranjeIdita:
Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.

ehh ooh.. all these qualification for me? smiling all the way at your perpetual ignorance with no quantification. LUUSI DIED 16th century ...OWALUSIN ESTABLISHED Himself even at EKITI.. TELL ME YOUR STORY.... YOU CAN STILL GO AND VISIT HIS STREAM CALLED OMIALADE (KING'S STREAM) .TO SEE HIS ACHIEVEMENT. IF YOU PRAISE OR RECITING HIS PANEGYRIC, A CROWN LIKE OBJECT SHOWS ON THE STREAM APPEARS EVEN UP TILL DATE . THAT WAS MY OWN FATHER WHO HAD IFA PRIEST AND OGUN PRIEST. TELL ME YOUR OWN STORY ,DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS AWESOME SON OF ODUA CALLED LUUSI ? BABY, YOU DON'T HAVE HISTORY.... ONLY KING PRINCE HAVE IFA PRIEST AND OGUN PRIEST UNDER HIS CARE.. NONSENSE. YOU HAVE NO HISTORY. ALL ODUA CHILDREN ARE BORN WARRIORS..... YOU HAVE NO HISTORY TO CONNECT YOU TO MY PATRILINEAL LINEAGE OF ILE IFE... EMURE EKITI STILL HAVE HIS ACCOUNT... USI EKITI STILL HAVE LUUSI'S ACCOUNT... WHAT IS YOUR FAMILY LINEAGE'S STORY? YOU DON'T HAVE AT ALL.... STILL LAUGHING at Your ignorance... “OLU" MEAN WARRIOR ? YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND YORUBA LANGUAGE. JUST LUMPING ALL TOGETHER. OLU IS KING OR LORD OVER HIS SUBJECTS (COUNTRY CITIZENS) .DO YOU KNOW THE MEANING NOW? UNLETTERED INTERN PHD.. HAHAHAHA..... YOU HAVE NO STORY. ALL I HAVE MENTIONED STILL EXIST WITH A ORAL ACCOUNT AND THE STREAM.. YOU CAN SEE HOW DISGRACEFUL YOU ARE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR...

IranjeIdita:
Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.

I hear you. First prince born of who Chief? Define Chief in a Yoruba way.... And see at your disconnect to understanding simple English . A son of a Chief whose great great grandfather was acknowledged after he had died since 16thCENTURY.........Eeeh oooooo. OMO OKE RI ILE. A LAGADA - OGUN.... ( EMI OMO LUUSI OMO OGUN).

IranjeIdita:
Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.

Gazzete created by who? Yoruba revisionist you tried.... Sorry to disappoint you! Yoruba history don't follow Nigeria constitutions. Beside, Luusi is a sub settlers in that part as they are addicted to their homeland.......Olubaka sha? That's not a problem......I have asked you simple question, show your direct patrilineal panegyric in connection to OONI. At least, any? Not Odua descendants can be king, but princes and princesses are known..... I AM A PROUD ONE WITH HUMILITY.. BUT YOU HAVE NO RECORD... KEEP DIGGING NONSENSICAL GAZETTE THAT HOLDS NOTHING... IN THAT GAZETTE, YOU MISSED ONE THING, DO YOU KNOW? ALAAFIN OYO IS WRITTEN AS THE FIRST KING OF YORUBA LAND, ISN'T IT SO? BUT YORUBA KNOW THE SPIRITUAL HOME WHERE WE CAME OUT. THE BEADS, THE TWO CROWNS AND THE ROYAL SWORD etc TESTIFY TO THE CLAIM. LUUSI DAY IS ALWAYS BEING CELEBRATED.. YOU MAY TRY TO VISIT AND LEARN. THEN YOU CAN WITNESS THE POWER IMBEDDED IN THE SWORD......KING MAKER I SALUTE YOU.....

IranjeIdita:
Loooool

Someone is struggling to stay above water.

We know Olusi throne is under Olubaka, deal with that.

The Nigeria Gazette of 1931 did not list Olusi throne.

Ooni in 1903 did not mention Olusi as a legit crown in Yoruba land neither did he mention Olusi as one of the later kings he issued crowns to.

Let that sink in.

The son of a Chief claiming Prince

Olusi could not even dust the shoes of Loja Iranje or Obalufe if he tried.

At least I be PhD intern, what are you? A lazy half educated person with no qualifications or trainings in History, Linguistic, Archeology, Philology yet wants to enforce baseless and illiterate claims on others who have spent years studying.

The first prince born of a chief, kaare olodo.

Hehehehe.... laughing at your ignorance... Go and study. I need not engage you on this..... All books written about the place is well documented......let us even agree Olubaka usurp the leadership because of booth looking.... No problem! Does he use the ORIKI AS MENTIONED? YOU ARE JUST AS IGNORANT AS A FISHERMEN WHO WANTS TO CATCH A FISH WITH A HOOK WITH NO BAIT.... YOU REMAINED A KINGMAKER RIGHT? AND MY LINEAGE REMAINS PRINCELY.. BRING OUT ONE NAME OF YOUR PATRILINEAL THAT'S PERMANENT IN THE HOUSE OF THE CUSTODIAN OF YORUBA LAND... YOU OPINED, IT WAS A LIE A ABOUT LINEAGE CONNECTION, PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND BRING OUT YOUR PATRILINEAL AND FLAW MY OPINION. PLEASE DON'T BRING IN FATHER'S IS CONNECTED BLAAAAAL THEORY. JUST SHOW IT IF NOT JUST A KINGMAKER'S PANEGYRIC........ I CAN'T STOP MOCKING YOU... I WAITING FOR ALL OTHER YORUBA LAND OBAS TO BRING IN A HUNTER'S LINEAGE TO A ROYAL NAME... LAZY LAD WITH NO RESPECT FOR A PRINCE.... EAT THE TRUTH AND REMAIN AS YOU ARE... PRINCE LUUSI'S BLOOD LINEAGE AS CLEAR AS CRYSTAL... A DISAPPOINTMENT TO YORUBA HISTORY AND A LIE PEDDLER WITH NO GRADE

Lawlahdey:
See.. There's nothing like your man or "my" man.
If you can't share your man with another woman in this generation, you are only seeking to remain alone.
Even if your man doesn't marry another woman apart from you, he will still look outside and these other women will still share "your" man with you.

Sooner we start encouraging polygamy, the better.

Are you real with this thought ? or in a dream's land?

IranjeIdita:
Ajamaye was just one person in the 19th century!




Looool fam, you are trying too hard.

People from Iragbiji are hailed as 'omo oloke meji...' does that connect them to Luusi too or Ife?

You are only exposing how baseless your thoughts on canaan migration is.




Looool Fabunmi cannot send Owaluusi on errands but Owalusi is an ordinary chief under Olubaka.

PhD is not about conjectural craps but thesis drawn from verifiable research from different sources. You do not and should not expect anyone to swallow your opinion hook line & sinker.

If anything I've said about me comes off doubtful to you, dig up references for better data. Simple.

Son of a Chief under Olubaka whose only claim to fame is one line in Agbedegbede Oriki

OLUBAKA WAS CREATION OF BRITISH EMPIRE . HE WAS THE LEAST KNOWN IN THE HISTORY OF OKA LAND. BUT THEY COULDN'T FIGHT HIM BECAUSE OF BLOOD RELATIONSHIP. GO AND READ OLUBAKA ORIKI. YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE. WE DON'T BLOW TRUMPETS BUT OUR PEDIGREE SPEAKS FOR US... . IN FACT WE ARRIVED LATE THERE AND WE WERE WELCOMED .. OLODO..... OLUBAKA CAN'T NEVER USE “ KAARE O BA MI" AS HIS ORIKI BECAUSE HE IS OLALOMI'S PRINCE'S DESCENDANTS



KINGMAKER read why there is change in dialect. We lived there but ILE IFE is place we had always towards because of PRINCE OWALUSI....
YOU WILL RUN FROM THIS SITE.... BRING OUT YOUR PITIFUL ORIKI AND COMPARE . A DEFEATED CLAN. SORRY INTERN PHD. I CAN'T FIND YOUR LINEAGE'S NAME IN OONI'S EVEN OLUBAKA KO LÉ TE RI SI DESPITE BEING ODUA DESCENDANTS . OLUBAKA IS RELATED VIA MATRILINEAL..... ....


CHANGES IN ACCENTS VIA MIGRATION -----


A typical Owalusi native may like to say in Yoruba Language:
i. //wo eerin e // instead of:
//wo aarin e //
meaning, look at the centre/middle
ii. // E ra ala // instead of:
// E ra ila //
meaning, come and buy okro or okros are for sale etc.
the lexical errors above are as a result of the fact that the speaker (native) believes that aarin, ila, obinriin, ito etc are Owalusi dialectical lexis and cannot be probably be that of the correct or standard Yoruba Language, whereas they are correct Yoruba words.
Owalusi dialect as a type that believes in respect for the Elders, her native speakers tend to import its ideas into the Yoruba Language for example:
O da bo (Standard Yoruba)
Goodbye
E dab o (Owalusi native speaker) etc.


Lazy fella continue making mockery of yourself..... You don't know nadah about Yoruba history...

IranjeIdita:
Stop telling lies.

- Ogunwusi as a surname started with the Ooni's great grandfather taking his father's first name as his surname. The actual surname was Adegosan, some still use it in the compound. I see you want to quickly twist luusi and ogunwusi as one.

- Olu & Akin are prefixes for renonwned warriors, hunters and chiefs. Stop lying, you area fraud.

- - I see you have brought your twist-craft from Israel to Ife & Olusin.

Aja or Ajamaiye has nothing to do with Oduduwa.



http://owamilereehinmabo..com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1



http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday


Ajamaiye was a 19th century invention, stop lying.

-- Ayikiti (Degbin's son) sought the help of Ogunsigun of Ijebu Igbo & Fabunmi of Oke Imesi who was the head of Ekiti contigent and must have sent Ajamaye down to Ife.

See:



http://owamilereehinmabo..com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

-- LOL! See wahala o. You have drawn up a conclusion from just one line of 'Omo Degbin mo nlo re Igbo de Omo Luusi' - the child of Degbin I am going to wait in the forest/bushes for the child of Luusi'

In Ooni's oriki many towns were mentioned ranging from Owu, Akoko, Ekiti, Ipole etc. According to your theory these towns automatically have ancestral ties to Giesi, correct?

Degbin Kumbusu, was the Ooni when Modakake sacked Ife and sent us running to Isoya, forest. It was at the same time Ekitiparapo war was raging and the period Mr. Ogeh aka Ajamaye must have come to the aid of Ife.

Or because my house Oriki says 'omo a s'oro gbe agba re Ekiti la lu' means we have ties with Ekiti abi?

-- This person is a deluded funk.

'Oke l'eyin Morire' has a historic underpinning. There's a town hall at Moore built by Larooka, predecessor of Giesi, to which Giesi built a support like a pillar behind to keep the hall standing.

This is what Oke Leyin Moore means.

Why are you so deluded?

-- Ooni ria means 'our Ooni'. 'ria' in Ife is equivalent to 'wa' which means our.

You are a very funny person. Your knowledge of things in a minor fraction and instead of expanding your knowledge first, you want to dabble into things beyond you.

Here is the oriki of lusi:



I see you wanted to twist that to mean Lajoodogun, ole ni iwo man yi.

Omo okerile alagada ogun/omo oke orile oni agada okun - child of oke orile the owner of agada of ogun.

You're a straight up fraudulent person.

Peole can now see through how you came about your Israel & Ife fraud.

..... AJAMAIYE WAS NOT A KING. IN THE first PLACE, THEY LIVED As leaders. ILE IFE communal living is how they do it
.....FALLING OF HANDS..... WHILE SOJOURNING ,LANGUAGE CHANGES SLIGHTLY, SO YOU DON'T KNOW?.... A LAGADA OGUN WAS CORRUPTION OF LAJOODOGUN... ASK PHILOLOGIST..... are you a PHD Intern at all? , ASK PHILOLOGIST..... OMO OKE RI LE AND OMO OKE.... ASK PHILOLOGIST AGAIN. THEN YOU NEED TO FINALLY, GO AND ASK CUSTODIAN OF YORUBA HISTORY AT ILE IFE Since you are looking for online information that just mention him briefly. It showed you have no pedigree for being studious. What king? Fabunmi indeed! Where you mentioned, there is a separation of Odo descendants from the rest.... liars with excellence.... you will always be a king maker....I will not even refer anything because you don't have any information at all but uses online.... An information that is well grounded on the history of the place doesn't exist online, so bite your finger bitterly ..... NOW, YOU SEE YOURSELF LAZY PHD Intern, what do you think they call elders? You are just not studious enough.......... YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL.......KINGMAKER I AM SORRY FOR YOU.... LAUGHING AT YOU SERIOUSLY. HONESTLY ,CAN FABUNMI SEND OWALUSI SON'S MESSAGE? I AM LAUGHING SERIOUSLY AT HOW DISAPPOINTINGLY I AM READING YOUR ASSUMPTION. LASTLY THEORIES OF MIGRATION IS WHAT MANY HAD PROPOUNDED ABOUT ODUA WHICH WAS TRUE, WAS ODUA A BLACK MAN? GO AND READ JAARE AND STOP BEING LAZY.... ORO NA DUN O FE KÈ.... SORRY SONNY ,NO HARD FEELING,IT IS A LINEAGE THING. MAY BE ONE DAY YOU MAY BECOME A ODUA'S LINEAGE IN THE NEXT WORLD., YOU KNOW? AND NOT AMUGBA LÈGBÈ

IranjeIdita:
Stop telling lies.

- Ogunwusi as a surname started with the Ooni's great grandfather taking his father's first name as his surname. The actual surname was Adegosan, some still use it in the compound. I see you want to quickly twist luusi and ogunwusi as one.

- Olu & Akin are prefixes for renonwned warriors, hunters and chiefs. Stop lying, you area fraud.

- - I see you have brought your twist-craft from Israel to Ife & Olusin.

Aja or Ajamaiye has nothing to do with Oduduwa.



http://owamilereehinmabo..com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1



http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/viewFile/452/673Sunday


Ajamaiye was a 19th century invention, stop lying.

-- Ayikiti sought the help of Ogunsigun of Ijebu Igbo & Fabunmi of Oke Imesi who was the head of Ekiti contigent and must have sent Ajamaye down to Ife.

See:

Oba Ajamaye returned home as a war machinery in 1893 after the kiriji war.

http://owamilereehinmabo..com.ng/2010/06/owamilere-ehinmabo-peoples.html?m=1

-- LOL! See wahala o. You have drawn up a conclusion from just one line of 'Omo Degbin mo nlo re Igbo de Omo Luusi' - the child of Degbin I am going to wait in the forest/bushes'

In Ooni's oriki many towns were mentioned ranging from Owu, Akoko, Ekiti, Ipole etc. According to your theory these towns automatically have ancestral ties to Giesi, correct?

Degbin Kumbusu, was the Ooni when Modakake sacked Ife and sent us running to Isoya, forest. It was at the same time Ekitiparapo war was raging and the period Mr. Ogeh aka Ajamaye must have come to the aid of Ife.

Or because my house Oriki says 'omo a s'oro gbe agba re Ekiti la lu' means we have ties with Ekiti abi?

-- This person is a deluded funk.

'Oke l'eyin Morire' has a historic underpinning. There's a town hall at Moore built by Larooka, predecessor of Giesi, to which Giesi built a support like a pillar behind to keep the hall standing.

This is what Oke Leyin Moore means.

Why are you so deluded?

-- Ooni ria means 'our Ooni'. 'ria' in Ife is equivalent to 'wa' which means our.

You are a very funny person. Your knowledge of things in a minor fraction and instead of expanding your knowledge first, you want to dabble into things beyond you.

YOU ARE INDEED ON YOUR OWN------- YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING AT ALL. NO WONDER THERE ARE HALF BAKED EDUCATED PERSONALITIES WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE AND TWISTING OF HISTORY IN YORUBA LAND..... YOU REALLY NEED TO GO TO YORUBA HISTORY SCHOOL FOR TUTELAGE. IF OLU WAS WARRIOR'S NAME THEN “OWA " IS A SLAVE NAME, RIGHT? KINGMAKER..... SORRY FOR YOUR LIFE. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE KINGMAKER'S LINEAGE . WHAT link did you give? I NEED NOT EVEN CONTINUE WITH YOU ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS BEFORE PEOPLE BOTH AT ILE IFE , READERS AND WHERE OMO ODO SETTLED BUT I WILL DISAPPOINT YOU WHEN I REVEAL HIS DIRECT BIOLOGICAL FATHER......WAIT A BIT . I KAN KAN LA MA N YO ÉSÉ NI SO KOTO. ..SORRY FOR YOU ONCE AGAIN .... KINGMAKER , OLU IS A WARRIOR'S AND NOT KNOWN AS“LORD" AGAIN? ....AJAMAIYE IS A NAME OF HUNTER . YET VERY FEW PEOPLE BORE THAT NAME “AJA" IN THE HISTORY OF YORUBA LAND. AND YOU CLAIMED THAT YOU ARE AN IFA PRIEST? YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO MY GENERATIONAL RELIGION. HOW CAN YOU EVEN HAVE IFA KNOWLEDGE ? SO, NAMES ARE JUST GIVEN TO ALL AND SUNDRY. WHERE IS THE LINEAGE NAME IN YORUBA LAND? AND AJAMAIYE WAS SO POWERFUL THAT HIS FATHER'S NAME WAS USED TO RECOGNISED HIM? EHN? HE WAS SO POPULAR THAT OONI WILL PRAISE A SERVANT WARRIOR TO EQUATE HIM TO HIMSELF IN THE LAND OF ILE IFE? YOU SHOULD REMOVE THAT OGUN FROM ORIKI OONI TOO, AND REMOVE OMO OKE FROM IT. SO THAT IT WILL APPEAR ONLY IN LUUSI'S NAME . YOU SHOULD REMOVE OMO LAADE FROM ORIKI OONI BECAUSE OMO AROGUN DADE IS LUUSI OWN? YOU SHOULD REMOVE AFI IDI POTE MO LE FROM. OONI'S ORIKI BECAUSE A ROTÈ MÀ BEÈRU IS LUUSI'S ORIKI.... YOU SHOULD REMOVE KAARE O'BA FROM OONI'S ORIKI BECAUSE KAARE O BA MI IS LUUSI ORIKI .THIS KINGMAKER, IF TRULY I AM LYING, WE SHALL SEE. , BUT THEN, IT IS A GREAT PRIVILEGE FOR OONI TO RECOGNISE MY OWN LINEAGE OWA LUUSI OMO OGUN WHO WAS A HUNTER AND HAD A TWO ROYAL BEADS AND A PRINCE'S TIGER'S SKIN APPAREL AS WELL AS A SWORD THAT THERE IS AN INSCRIPTION OF CROWN THAT HAS EXISTED FOR MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED YEARS(500 YEARS)....WITH DUE RESPECT TO AGBOGUNGORO, IS THE NAME OF THIS OUTSTANDING COMMANDER( OGEDENGBE) WITH DEXTERITY OF EKITI PARAPO IN OONI'S ORIKI? OR OWA OBOKUN'S LINEAGE? , SO WRONG KINGMAKER, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG, YOU ARE NOTHING A HISTORY DISTORTING BEING WITH LOW ESTEEM....

Muafrika2:
You teach? That should explain why your opinionated posts. And those textbook answers,

Depend on the context of your “opinionated ". If it has to be on holding to my opinion from a pure and just angle, then you are right but if it has to be rigidly, unreasonably and stubbornly on my views as being absolutely theoretical and autocratic, then you are wrong. I have an open mind and will always subject it when I read or hear a more realistic and practicable opinion. If you ask me, how? It is simple because I criticise my opinion too before I express it. It is simple as ABC

OlaoChi:
https://shawnwhatley.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/kowtow-300x168.jpg no need to argue

so sir, does this mean yoruba and chinese have a common origin or spiritual connection?
i laugh at the bold. and you claim to be a yoruba?

KOW TOW is different from YORUBA PROSTRATION. Don't mix it up.

Kowtow, which is borrowed from kau tau in Cantonese ( koutou in Mandarin Chinese), is the act of deep respect shown by prostration , that is, kneeling and bowing so low as to have one's head touching the ground.

KENTÈ FROM GHANA ISN'T THE SAME ASO OFI...IT ISN'T THE SAME THING. IT SEEMS YOU HAVEN'T UNDER STUDY YORUBA TRADITION,THEN YOU NEED A RETHINK



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GOD OF ISRAEL :ELYION (JEHOVAH) HAVING SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS OF YORUBA ELEDUMARE.

GENESIS 1vs 2
The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.


ISAIAH 44 vs 24:
"This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,

ISAIAH 45 vs 7

The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these


ISAIAH 66 vs2

"For My hand made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD "But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.


ISAIAH 45 vs 18

For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited), "I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Verse Concepts




JEREMIAH 10 vs 11
Thus you shall say to them, "The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heavens."

GOD OF ISRAEL :ELYION (JEHOVAH)

GENESIS 1vs 2
The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.


ISAIAH 44 vs 24:
"This is what the LORD says-- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens, who spreads out the earth by myself,

ISAIAH 45 vs 7

The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these


ISAIAH 66 vs2

"For My hand made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD "But to this one I will look, To him who is humble and contrite of spirit, and who trembles at My word.


ISAIAH 45 vs 18

For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited), "I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Verse Concepts




JEREMIAH 10 vs 11
Thus you shall say to them, "The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heavens."

THE VERSION OF ODU THAT MENTIONED ELEDUMARE AS BEING THE CREATOR:




In the Odu Okanran Ogunda there is another version of the creation myth that is not well known. In this version, it is Orunmila (the Prophet, Orisa that represents Olodumare’s wisdom) who carries the snail shell full of the substance which creates land upon the primordial waters. The Snail Shell was taken from the seat of Olodumare and given to Orunmila with the authority to create the earth. In the process of creation, Orunmila dipped his hands into the snail shell and took out measures of earth-dust (Oro, primordial matter) with which land was created on the primordial waters.



Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda
There-were-no-living-things
Was the priest on earth
That-which-was-suspended
But-did-not-descend
Was the priest in heaven
All-was-just-empty-space
With-no-substance
Was the priest of Mid-Air
It was divined for Aiye and Orun*
When they both exited
With no inhabitants
In the two empty snail shells,
There were neither birds nor spirits
Living in them
Odumare then created himself
Being the Primal cause
Which is the reason we call Odumare
The only wise one in aiye
He is the only cause in creation,
The only wise one in Orun,
Who created humans.
When He had no companion,
He applied wisdom to the situation
To avert any disaster.
You, alone,
The only one in Orun
Is the name of Odumare
The only wise one,
We give you thanks,
The only knowing mind,
You created man.
Listening to one side of an argument,
You judge, and all are pleased.
Ase
*Aiye is the visible realm; Orun the invisible realm. Most confuse these two words to mean earth and heaven. Hopefully, when you finish reading this material, you will be able to come back and make sense of the above ese (verse)


In Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda, part of a verse says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.” The dew drops are particles of Oro – primordial matter - contained in the snail shell. Once empty, it remains as the representation of the base of causation from which matter derived. The “goodness” speaks to eniyan – human beings, which brought goodness to earth. The oro then melted and was suspended in mid-air (referred to in the above Odu verse as the “priest of mid-air”). Oro then dropped;


Oro, the cause of great concern for the wise and experienced elders
It sounds, “Ku” (making the heart miss a beat)
“Ke” (as a ponderous object hitting the ground)
“Gi” (making the last sound before silence)
and “La”, with a loud cracking sound is transformed into a new state called “Ela.”


TESTIMONY OF ANCIENT YORUBAS HAVING A KNOWLEDGE OF ISRAEL'S GOD IN THEIR OWN RELIGION AS ELEDUMARE.

YORUBAS OF OLD HAD KNOWLEDGE OF BIBLICAL GOD

THE VERSION OF ODU THAT MENTIONED ELEDUMARE AS BEEN THE CREATOR:




In the Odu Okanran Ogunda there is another version of the creation myth that is not well known. In this version, it is Orunmila (the Prophet, Orisa that represents Olodumare’s wisdom) who carries the snail shell full of the substance which creates land upon the primordial waters. The Snail Shell was taken from the seat of Olodumare and given to Orunmila with the authority to create the earth. In the process of creation, Orunmila dipped his hands into the snail shell and took out measures of earth-dust (Oro, primordial matter) with which land was created on the primordial waters.



Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda
There-were-no-living-things
Was the priest on earth
That-which-was-suspended
But-did-not-descend
Was the priest in heaven
All-was-just-empty-space
With-no-substance
Was the priest of Mid-Air
It was divined for Aiye and Orun*
When they both exited
With no inhabitants
In the two empty snail shells,
There were neither birds nor spirits
Living in them
Odumare then created himself
Being the Primal cause
Which is the reason we call Odumare
The only wise one in aiye
He is the only cause in creation,
The only wise one in Orun,
Who created humans.
When He had no companion,
He applied wisdom to the situation
To avert any disaster.
You, alone,
The only one in Orun
Is the name of Odumare
The only wise one,
We give you thanks,
The only knowing mind,
You created man.
Listening to one side of an argument,
You judge, and all are pleased.
Ase
*Aiye is the visible realm; Orun the invisible realm. Most confuse these two words to mean earth and heaven. Hopefully, when you finish reading this material, you will be able to come back and make sense of the above ese (verse)


In Odu Ifa Osa Ogunda, part of a verse says, “Iri tu wili tu wili la fi da ile aye, la bu da ile,” which means, “Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly, was used to create the earth world in order that goodness could come forth into existence at once.” The dew drops are particles of Oro – primordial matter - contained in the snail shell. Once empty, it remains as the representation of the base of causation from which matter derived. The “goodness” speaks to eniyan – human beings, which brought goodness to earth. The oro then melted and was suspended in mid-air (referred to in the above Odu verse as the “priest of mid-air”). Oro then dropped;


Oro, the cause of great concern for the wise and experienced elders
It sounds, “Ku” (making the heart miss a beat)
“Ke” (as a ponderous object hitting the ground)
“Gi” (making the last sound before silence)
and “La”, with a loud cracking sound is transformed into a new state called “Ela.”


TESTIMONY OF ANCIENT YORUBAS HAVING A KNOWLEDGE OF ISRAEL'S GOD IN THEIR OWN RELIGION AS ELEDUMARE.

YORUBAS OF OLD HAD KNOWLEDGE OF BIBLICAL GOD