Politics › Re: Femi Fani-kayode: The Fulani Republic Of Nigeria – Part 1 by Olu317(m): 2:29pm On Jan 20, 2017 |
TRUTH SAID AS IT STAND IS INFORMATION GAINED. HE WHO FEARS DEATH WHEN IT KNOCK WILL STILL END UP BEING KILLED BY DEATH. MANY FULANI HERDSMEN WIELD DANGEROUS WEAPONS AND USE THEM AGAINST NON CONFORMIST TO THEIR IDEOLOGY. FFK HAS INFORMED AND THE PEOPLE NEED PONDER OVER THIS TRUTH BEFORE THEM. A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE. |
Celebrities › Re: CCTV Captured A Woman Being Robbed In Lagos by Olu317(m): 10:47am On Jan 20, 2017 |
Boomvibe: This Video Shows How A Woman Was Traced From A Bank And Robbed In Lagos. For The First time in Lagos a live robbery attack was captured by newly implemented CCTV cameras! though the money has not been recovered but thanks to the state Government for this utility in the state!
Watch video below↡↡↡↡↡
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72AY1w8qAPMI HOPE ARMED SECURITY OF LAGOS STATE GOVERNMENT CAN BE POSITIONED TO AVERT SUCH CAMERAS FROM BEING DESTROYED. LAGOS MARCHING TO GREATNESS.
CC:LALASTICLALA, FYNESTBOI |
Business › Re: ➜ ➜ ➜Currency/E-currency Market Deals➜ ➜ ➜ by Olu317(m): 10:44am On Jan 20, 2017 |
Chartey: Yes please. Whatsapp if you have. Ok.What number do I whasapp you? |
Romance › Re: Dream Meaning; What Does Singing In The Dream Means? by Olu317(m): 10:36am On Jan 20, 2017 |
sinaj: what about fighting with witches in d dream or praying in d dream  FIGHTING IN THE DREAM WITH WITCH OR WITCHES (IF WITCHES ARE MANY) CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE IF ONE'S SPIRIT IS WEAK AND SUCH BATTLE WAS LOST BY THE DREAMER DEPENDING ON WHAT EXACTLY WAS BEEN FOUGHT OVER . THEN,THE PERSON BECOMES DRAWN BACK IN LIFE OR SOME MIGHT EVEN LOOSES HIS LIFE WITHIN SHORT PERIOD OF TIME EXCEPT PRAYER AND FASTING IS OBSERVED TO ASK GOD FOR REDEMPTION FROM THE POWER OF NEGATIVE EFFECT OF SUCK SPIRITUAL ATTACK .IF YOU HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE BOOK CALLED BIBLE, YOU WILL SEE WHERE JESUS MENTIONED, THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING KNOWLEDGE WITH WHOM WE FIGHT DAILY IN OUR LIVES(we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers,rulers of darkness, wickedness in high places(Prince of Persia) .Stay blessed |
Romance › Re: Dream Meaning; What Does Singing In The Dream Means? by Olu317(m): 10:22am On Jan 20, 2017*. Modified: 10:40am On Jan 20, 2017 |
TEMINIKANSOSO: thanks so much for your own perspective and critical look. Dream hav always being d means of communicating with God for me, so i dnt dream serious dream always, God normally speaks to me through dream, but every time, so i took my dream so serious, i do inform my prophets n pastor abt it, but dreaming seeing myself singing, i felt like i dnt want to inform pple close to me...moreover, Thou i love to be a singer, cos that has always be my way of life as a kid, but currently i am working my Business, so i am not even having thought of music, except that i write and sing new daily. #good-song. I can drop my lyrics free of charge Your dream can simply inform you of your genuine nature of work God designate for you. However, there are two types of singers.The ones who sings for self exaltation and money seekers And the ones who sing to bring the world on their knees to JESUS CHRIST to accept him as their personal lord and saviour and also to praise His name. The choice is before you. However, in your dealing, be wise in the path you chose. God bless you. |
Business › Re: ➜ ➜ ➜Currency/E-currency Market Deals➜ ➜ ➜ by Olu317(m): 7:16am On Jan 20, 2017 |
Chartey: $10,000 PayPal needed. Number in signature. legit transaction you Mean? Just asking, I meant no offense. |
Health › Re: What You Should Know About Indigestion And How To Cure It by Olu317(m): 7:11am On Jan 20, 2017 |
angels09: where's the how to cure it? you just wake up here to type balderdash and attempt to advertise your herbal concoction later on... This is unfair. At least you let him advertise his product first and don't help out on it nor should think for him. And the truth is that, buying products from people is basically a ‘CHOICE'. The guy did tried.At least ,he did enlighten some people who don't know much about the cause of INDEGESTION. Just take it easy and enjoy your day! |
Romance › Re: Dream Meaning; What Does Singing In The Dream Means? by Olu317(m): 6:57am On Jan 20, 2017 |
TEMINIKANSOSO: uhmm-Motigbo o thanks FIRST,I HOPE YOU ARE HONEST ABOUT YOUR DREAM. THERE ARE TWO KIND OF DREAMS.1st . THE ONE THAT IS BASED ON EMOTIONS AND YOU DONT DREAM IT INTO WAKING UP WHILE YOU SEE IT LIKE A FLASH (your thought and aspiration toward life while you slept having it in your heart)... and it turned out as a DREAM. This kind of DREAM has no true meaning but came into being as a result of self desire to get to one's target in life . 2nd . THE TYPE THAT YOU DEEP SLEPT AND HAVING NO THOUGHT OF ANYTHING OR WHATSOEVER BUT SEE SOMETHING HAPPENED AND DREAM IT INTO WAKING UP AND SEE IT LIKE A FLASH.(the second dream can be divided into two because some dreams are warning and some for assignment). WHICH AMONG DOES YOUR DREAM FALL INTO? |
Romance › Re: LADIES ONLY -the Truth About How Men Choose The Woman They're Going To Marry by Olu317(m): 6:20am On Jan 20, 2017 |
ucsparks: i don't know,, we have one life to live and we have to enjoy it to the fullest I AM HAPPY WITH YOUR SINCERE ANSWER BECAUSE NO MAN CAN REALLY KNOW BUT ALWAYS DESIROUS TO ENJOY HIMSELF TO FULLEST(SPECIFICALLY MEN). I HAVE SEEN SO MANY BEING UNFAITHFUL LARGELY AS A RESULT OF CHOICE OF WRONG WOMAN CHOSEN AS A WIFE. AND I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH MEN NOT WILLING TO MARRY AS A RESULT OF SOME OTHER GUYS HAVING SLEPT WITH THE GIRLS /LADIES THEY INTENDED MARRYING. SO, WHY BEING EGOCENTRIC ON BEING HANDSOME,INTELLIGENT , HAVING SUGAR COAT OR BEING RICH. THIZ ISN'T ABOUT SERMONS BUT JUST AN ADVICE TO SOME OF US. NO ONE IS REALLY SURE WHO AMONG THESE GIRLS/LADIES IS HIV P,a contagious life terminal diseases and likes OR A BAD LUCK CARRIER(those who believe in supernatural stuff). I don't have a problem if you really wanna rock'em all but WATCH YOUR BACK SO AS NOT TO ROCK AWAY YOUR LIFE'S CLOSEST PARTNER. ONE WORLD! ONE OPPORTUNITY! ONE PRICELESS PARTNER. |
Romance › Re: LADIES ONLY -the Truth About How Men Choose The Woman They're Going To Marry by Olu317(m): 7:58pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
ucsparks: I'm not ready to get married so i don't know,,, at this age i just wanna fūck as many girls as possible Young man I hope you won't end up missing someone irreplaceably special to you.  |
Romance › Re: Reasons Why Nigerian Women Were Ranked Most Unfaithful In The World. by Olu317(m): 7:46pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
Crave for fame and love for money. |
|
Culture › Re: Comparing Slave Numbers from Bight of Benin and Bight of Biafra from 1400 - 1865 by Olu317(m): 1:02pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
|
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 12:56pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
lawani: TO BE A SLAVE WAS NOT A NEW THING FOR YORUBAS. YOU GET?. A TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD CONSISTS OF SLAVES AND FREEBORNS WORKING ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER. SLAVES AND FREE BORNS INTERMARRY FREELY. SLAVERY WAS TO MAKE EVERYBODY BELONG SOMEWHERE, CHIP IN SOMEWHERE. IF I AM A SLAVE IN A PROSPEROUS HOUSEHOLD, I MIGHT BE RICH AND IF I AM OFFERED FREEDOM, I WONT TAKE IT BECAUSE I ENJOY THE RANK OF MY MASTER IN PUBLIC. PEOPLE FEAR ME BECAUSE OF MY MASTER. SO WHY WILL I HATE SLAVERY? ABEG WISE UP! A TYPICAL YORUBA CITY CONTAINED 80 PERCENT SLAVES. ALL WERE SLAVES EVEN. NOT TRUE TO 80% SLAVE IN YORUBA CITY OR ANCIENT TIME. THOUGH IT WAS TRUE THAT ONE'S MASTER NAME GIVES PRESTIGE TO THE SLAVE WHEREVER SUCH GOES. HOWEVER, EVERY ONE KNOW HIS/HER POSITION IN SUCH HOUSEHOLD. OKO KI WA KO NI ALA BABA ATI OMO. EVEN FREEBORN HAVE CATEGORIES. KINGLY HOMES,NOBLE HOMES, AND CITIZENS WHILE POSITION OF SLAVES VARIES ACCORDING THE SAME RANKS. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES NON OF YORUBA CLANS HAD SLAVES EXCEPT FOREIGNERS ESPECIALLY PEOPLE FROM HAUSA/FULANI/EBIRA/TAPA/AGATU etc to tend to their farms and cattles . I STILL KNOW A SERVING FULANI MAN BEING WILLED TO A FAMILY FRIEND OF MINE EVEN IN TODAY'S NIGERIA. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 12:37pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
lawani: YOU ARE UNEDUCATED AND IGNORANT. I SHOULD NOT BE BANTERING WORDS WITH YOUR KIND. YOU IGBOS FAIL TO REALISE, THE BULK OF YOU ARE NEW ENTRANTS ON THE WORLD STAGE. AS AT MID 19TH CENTURY. IGBOS WERE AT THE LEVEL OF ADVANCEMENT OF THE KOMA PEOPLE RECENTLY DISCOVERED IN ADAMAWA. YET YOU EXPECT TO BE OF SAME PEDIGREE AS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AT NATION BUILDING SINCE TIME BEGAN? THAT MAKES NO SENSE!. ANCIENT IGBOS CONFINED THEMSELVES TO THEIR VILLAGES. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE THEM TO YORUBAS WHO KNEW AND RELATED WITH OTHERS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS?. YOU BETTER STOP EXHIBITING YOUR IGNORANCE. FACTS TO BEHOLD |
Christianity Etc › Re: Mrpresident1 January 2017 Rapture A Fallacy by Olu317(m): 12:34pm On Jan 19, 2017 |
petra1: I love something about you . You are very very courageous . And I admire your strong conviction . If someone like you enter healing ministry ,the dead must rise . BRO,MrPresident1,will lead a lot of kindreds to the kingdom of hell with his doctrine and beliefs. Even if the dead rose up, is it a criteria to enter into the kingdom of God? ABSOLUTELY, ‘NO',. The dictate to the rules must be followed adherently while God's mercy is needed by every human being worthy of the kingdom. |
Culture › Re: Comparing Slave Numbers from Bight of Benin and Bight of Biafra from 1400 - 1865 by Olu317(m): 10:49pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Yorubas were among the African tribes sold in slavery to the new world. Yoruba slaves were often known as 'Anago', 'Nago', 'lukumi' in the new world. Of all tribes sent to the Americas, the Yoruba tradition survived the most, in countries such as Brazil, Cuba, Haiti, Trinidad etc. For many years, this has been incorrectly attributed to a preponderance of Yoruba slaves in the new world. However, records kept for slaves disembarking from different regions in West Africa give further insight into the highest survival of Yoruba traditional elements compared to other tribes.
The survival of Yoruba traditional elements is attributed to 2 major reasons: the late emergence of Yoruba slaves in the slave trade and favorable slave conditions and weakened slave laws in Latin American slave colonies in the mid/late 19th century.
According to slave records and numbers for each major region, Yoruba slaves did not feature significantly in the slave trade until towards the last 20 to 30 years of the abolishment of slave trade. The last quarter of the slave trade era coincided with the war period of the kingdom of Oyo in the early 19th century, which provided the bulk of slaves, mostly war captives, leaving the shores of West Africa. The British abolished slavery in 1801 and had stopped dealing in slaves, however the Portuguese continued to secretly purchase slaves from the ports of West Africa for the next 20 to 30 years, this period during which war captives from the Oyo wars formed the majority of slaves sold from the Bight of Benin. This explains why majority of Yoruba slaves till today are mostly found in Latin American countries such as Brazil, Cuba etc. However, it was not until 1833 that the British began to enforce the abolishment of slavery by intercepting slave ships leaving the shores of West Africa and dropping these slaves (mostly Yorubas at that time) in Freetown Sierra Leone.
Second, the slaves leaving the shores of West Africa, who were mostly Yoruba, during the last quarter of the slave trade era arrived Latin America at a time when slave laws had began to weaken and slaves were allowed more freedom of religion and association. Yoruba slaves arrived the new world to meet acculturated slaves, mostly local-born, who had long been stripped of their names, language and culture and had adopted into their new environment. For the Yorubas, they arrived at a time when there was more freedom to practice religion and associate compared to 50 to 100 years earlier. To the other slaves, the arrival of Yoruba slaves and religion was highly welcome as it served as a re-connection of their roots back to mama africa, till today. The Ifa religion in Latin America, which originally started as a lukumi-only religion later grew to accommodate non-lukumis seeking to retrace their roots back to mama Africa. It is important to point out that not all practicing members of lukumi-derived religions such as Santeria, Candomble etc. in the new world are necessarily of Yoruba descent, however they identify with Ifa as a remembrance of their African connection.
Thus, the 2 major factors identified to have favored the survival of Yoruba traditional elements in the new world are the late emergence of Nago slaves in slavery and considerably weakened slave laws in Latin American colonies towards the ending of the slave trade that allowed slaves more freedom, rights and freedom, compared to slaves arriving 100 years earlier. Contrary to some opinions of millions of Yoruba slaves sold, the overall number of slaves exported from Yoruba-speaking territories is estimated to be less than 500,000. LIE LIE. IN 1770S BRITISH COLONIALIST CAME TO THE AMERICA WITH 2,5000,000 SLAVES. HOW COME THE OTHER PEOPLE'S LANGUAGES AND TRADITIONS DIDN'T SURVIVED? I AM SURE IT WAS AS A RESULT OF INFERIORITY COMPLEX ..... MANY OF THE YORUBA SOLD INTO SLAVERY WERE WAR CAPTIVES ,BRAVE MEN CAUGHT DURING KIDNAPPING DAYS OR STUBBORN ONES WHO REFUSES TO HEED TO ADVISES. WHAT ABOUT THE IBOS ? BUT I LOVED THESE MEN BECAUSE THEY KEPT IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES AS FROM AN ETHNICITY FROM WEST AFRICA. WHAT A PEOPLE! WHAT A TRADITION AND WHAT A BEAUTIFUL ETHNICITY TO ADORE TO A FAULT. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:28pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Hahaha.  Go and do research on it. You were called Igbos BY YOUR FOREFATHERS. THE WHITES DIDNT KNOW ANY TRIBE OR ETHNICITY BUT THE LOCALS IDENTIFY THEMSELVES ACCORDING TO THEIR GROUPING. YORUBA HAD ALWAYS USED THE WORDS “IGBO"LONG BEFORE CONTACT WITH IBOS AND BEFORE THEY BEGAN TO USE IT IN 20th century . IN FACTS I DON'T DONT REFER TO YOU PEOPLE AS IGBO BUT IBOS. CHECK ALL MY WRITE UPS. JUST AS EDOS CAME UP AND COOKED A VERSION FOR ODUA THAT HE AND HIS GROUP WERE WEARING ROBE DURING THEIR TIME AS BEEN ONE IZODUWA FROM OGODOMIGODO WHO REMAIN UNKNOWN .AND AND ALMOST LAY CLAIM TO THE WORD OBA UNTIL THE CURRENT OBA RECOGNISED HIS ANCESTORS ORANMIYAN AS THE FIRST OBA IBINU/UBINU AND NOT OWOKA/OWO-MI-KA(EWEKA).THE WORD OBA THAT'S BEEN PART AND PARCEL OF YORUBA NATION FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. OBATALA /OBALUFON ETC. EVEN YORUBA BIBLE WRITTEN SINCE 1844 USED THE OBA IN THE YORUBA VERSION OF THE BIBLE SEVERAL TIMES. YOU PEOPLE JUST LOVE TO TWIST HISTORY TO SUIT YOUR INTEREST. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 8:17pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: IF YOU KEEP SAYING MOST SOUTH AMERICAN YORUBAS ARE IGBOS THOUGH MANY OF THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHICH YORUBA SUBNATION THEY CAME FROM, HOW ABOUT THE 40 PERCENT OF NIGERIAN IGBO POPULATION WHO ARE OSUS? I HOPE YOU KNOW 99 PERCENT OF OSUS ARE YORUBAS?. IT WAS EVEN A BIG LIE THAT ABOUT THE WORD “IGBO".THE YORUBA WERE THE ONES KNOWN WITH SUCH WORD AFFILIATION IN THE ANCIENT TIMES BUT THE Igbos OR IBOS AS THEY WERE CALLED SYSTEMATICALLY INTERCHANGE THEIR ORIGINAL NAMES FOR IGBO. EVEN WHEN YOU ASK ALL THESE PEOPLE FROM AMERICAS,THEY KNOW WHERE THEY CAME AND IT SETTLES IT. THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF ORAL HISTORY WHICH TENDS TO PASS FROM ONE GENERATION TO ANOTHER THOUGH IT HAS IT SHORT COMINGS BUT LARGELY DEPENDABLE. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 8:11pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Actually, in terms of numbers Yorubas were among the least sent to the Americas. Figures put it at about 500,000. The figure of those who actually settled might be smaller when you take into consideration those that returned to Sierra Leone and Lagos in the 1800s. The preponderance of the Yoruba culture in Latin America due to Yoruba's late arrival doesn't necessarily translate to high population numbers. They did not return to Sierra Leone but the ship of slaves turned back were the ones that settled in Sierra Leone and few returnees from Great Britain. And stop this unfounded information.It seems because you dont understand who these people were. They were known with different names but spoke same language and attested to their ILFE IFE as the grand ancestral home . Google the Americas you will find their history and their clamis. I didn't create you and I can't but the God that created you as Ibos has purpose for it but as Yoruba born, I am thankful to almighty God and FULFILLED |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 12:05pm On Jan 18, 2017 |
|
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 11:57am On Jan 18, 2017 |
lawani: THE SPANISH AND PORTUGUESE ARRIVED ON THE WEST AFRICAN COAST LATE 15TH CENTURY TO MEET PEOPLE THERE AS VERY ADVANCED. THEY RELATED AS EQUALS. I MEAN THE YORUBA HELD WEST AFRICAN COAST. YORUBA WENT TO SOUTH AMERICA AND EUROPE WITH THEM AND YORUBAS DEFINITELY WERE IN SOUTH AMERICA BEFORE NATIONS LIKE BRITAIN AND GERMANY. IF IGBOS CANT SAY THEY SURPASS GERMANS IN THE AMERICAS, HOW CAN THEY SURPASS YORUBAS? IS IT BECAUSE BOTH ARE BLACKS? JUST LIKE YOU MENTION GERMAN, BRITISH, SPANISH, PORTUGUESE IN THE AMERICAS IS THE WAY YOU MENTION YORUBA. THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FROM THE START! THEY STARTED TOGETHER!. PRESENTLY, THERE MAY BE MORE YORUBAS IN SOUTH AMERICA THAN IN WEST AFRICA! INFACT THAT IS DEFINITELY SO. THERE ARE WHITE YORUBA!. YOU CANT SAY THEY ARE NOT YORUBA BECAUSE THEY ARE DESCENDED FROM OR HAVE ADOPTED THE YORUBA CULTURE. DONT FOCUS ON RACE. YORUBA CAN BE ANY APPEARANCE. FROM THE BEGINNING, THERE HAVE BEEN WHITES AMONG YORUBA BECAUSE WE HAVE GENES ORIGINATING FROM EUROPE EVERYWHERE IN WEST AFRICA. YOU ARE BLACK ONLY BECAUSE OF CENTURIES OF TAN. IGBOS WERENT MUCH IN THE PAST I BELIEVE AND TODAY ALL OSUS ARE MOST PROBABLY DESCENDED FROM YORUBA SLAVES. IGALAS ARE YORUBOID. SO IF IGBOS ARE PLENTY TODAY, IT WAS AT THE EXPENSE OF MAINLY YORUBAS, THEY SHOULD BE GRATEFUL!. IF A YORUBA MARRY A FRENCH WOMAN AND THE CHILD MARRY A CHINESE ON LIKE THAT WHILE THERE ARE A MILLION PEOPLE LIKE THAT MARRYING CHINESE, RED INDIANS, EUROPEANS JAPANESE WHILE THEY MAINTAINED THE YORUBA CULTURE AND TRADITIONS BUT NO LONGER LOOK LIKE WEST AFRICANS, ARE YOU SAYING THEY ARE NOT YORUBA? THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY WRONG! THEY ARE YORUBA AND EVEN THEY ARE THE ONLY TRUE YORUBAS REMAINING! IF YOU CANT SAY ASHKENAZI ARE NOT JEWS, WHY SAY SOUTH AMERICANS ARE NOT YORUBAS? YORUBA ARE MANY AND I AGREE WITH YOU BUT NOT ALL COLOUR AMERICAS DESCENDANTS ARE OF YORUBAS DESCENDANTS THOUGH WE ARE THE LARGEST AMONGST THEM ALL. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 11:05pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: You still haven't proven any point yet, and the oldest human skull, by the way, was found in Ethiopia.
No evidence, no point made by you.
http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/herto_skulls.php try again. I didn't say in Africa but in Nigeria. If I dont inform without knowing my fact. I have given the clue, the state. Do you want me to tel you the kingdom? That is why I do more research to learn and get acquainted with the truth as it stand. Leave Ethiopia, apart from Ethiopia,skull was found in South Africa that is very old as well. But I am referring to Nigeria and it is in Yoruba land. As simple as ABC. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:59pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Well history has it that the entire Ketu was attacked by night and the entire village sacked, pillaged and burned. Many were killed and the rest, no less than 20,000 of them, were sold into slavery as war captives. Till today, it is often said that the traditional Ketu native rites for the god has been lost as the people who knew how to recite the rites were all sold into slavery. Ketu was only repopulated in recent times. grandeur lies. I am not interested in this bias view. In 1860s the same Dahomey AMAZON of king Gezzo was chased by the Egbas beyond their territory(dahomey). Stop peddling false info. This was done after few years the suburb of ketu was raided because they were just citizens engaged in farming without military camps. So I hope I have informed you. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:54pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: Provide evidence for this. Like I said, the last time I checked there was no concrete evidence for that.
By evidence I mean, researched and published evidence of foreign or international origin, not by a Yoruba person. it wasn't a Yoruba scientific research I meant .So I have given you a clue. I thought you are widely read. Nri history I am acquitted with. So go through the Lee way I have given You .it is begging for you to add more to your knowledge. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:49pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: I added more information to my post. Re-read it again. Unlike you I speak from facts, not from some-made up fantasy in my head.
And this is not a comparison of tribal historical feats for such is inane. I tell history the way it is. Who told you it was KETOU OR KETU KING GEZO RAIDED SECRETLY WHEN OYO COLLAPSE DUE AFONJA TREASON ? WHAT DID THE EGBA/ EGBADO/ IJEBU DID TO THEM WHEN YORUBA REORGANISE THEMSELVES? FACT DON'T LIE. GET YOUR FACT CORRECTLY. EVEN ABOMEY DAHOMEY KINGDOM WAS FOUNDED BY YORUBA DESCENDANTS OF AJA AND THE ABORIGINES. SO GET YOUR FACT CORRECTLY .IT ISNT ABOUT EGO BUT TRUTH BECAUSE OF READERS. DONT MISINFORM. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:41pm On Jan 17, 2017*. Modified: 8:53pm On Apr 05, 2021 |
bigfrancis21: The last time I checked there was no concrete evidence for this, only peddled around by Yoruba history revisionists or found on pro-yoruba websites. Official records put the start of Ife civilization realistically around the 12th century. it was even a Yoruba scientific discovery. Get your facts right bro. I dont emotionalise everything. I do research before I inform. I didn't want to give the exact location earlier but I will give a clue .The oldest human skeleton discovered in West Africa was in Ondo state. A Yoruba state ofcourse. so do your findings again and again. You will see the facts before you |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:37pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: This is false for so many reasons. First, carbon dating evidence reveals that Nri civilization is the oldest civilization in southern Nigeria, coming into existence 300 years before Ife, the first Yoruba civilization around the 1200s. Second Olukwumi people who are settlers settled in delta Igboland in as recently as the 18th century - many centuries after Igbos had been settled in their area. There is no evidence of cultural exchange to the east via olukwumi speaking people. Infact majority of them have been assimilated into the Igbo culture. Third, there's not a slight evidence of Yoruba colonization in Igbo land. Come off it. Igbo as a tribal name has been in use since as early as the beginning of the slave trade around the 16th century. Several slave records and documents prove this. Igbo slaves were known as Eboe, Heeboe etc. in the Americas as early as the 16th century. Olaudah Equiano, an ex Igbo slave, in his memoir written in the 1700s referred to his people as 'eboe'. Several Igbo town names in existence for many centuries bear 'Igbo' in them such as Igbo Ukwu (Anambra state), Igboere (Abia state) etc. Igbo is one southern Nigerian tribe that includes its tribal name in its village names and also personal names (Igboamaeze, Igbogekwu, etc). Fourth, Yoruba survival in the Caribbean was not of any special happenstance but instead due to the fact that Yoruba was the last or among the last ethnic groups to be sold into slavery, towards the abolishment of slavery by the British, that is in as recently as the 19th century or around the 1800s. The British abolished first in 1807 however slavery continued along the shores of West Africa freely. The British no longer traded in slaves nor sent slave ships to West Africa but the Portuguese especially continued buying slaves, rather secretly in the night, from west African ports. This explains why the Yoruba slave descendants till today are mostly found in Latin America (spanish and portuguese speaking countries such as Brazil, Cuba etc). The Oyo wars going on at this time provided the bulk of slaves (mostly war captives) leaving west Africa. It was also during this time that desertification of Ketu village by Dahomean warriors took place and no less than 20,000 Ketu Yorubas were sold into slavery by Dahomey. Ketu village was left scanty for many decades, only repopulated recently. It was not until 1833 that the British enforced the the abolishment of slave trade by intercepting slave ships leaving the shores for West Africa and dropping these slaves off in nearby towns such as Freetown in Sierra Leone or returning them back to Lagos. Yorubas who made it to Latin America met descendants of other tribes who had been stripped off their names and identity during the peak and enforcement of slavery laws and had long forgotten their connection to Africa. The Yorubas, still being fresh from Africa, were still strongly connected with their tradition and religion and also slavery laws had begun to weaken in Latin America, slavery was coming to an end, and slaves were allowed more freedom of worship and association. Thus, the Yoruba language and religion, being the last to arrive Latin america, survived as a matter of favorable times and conditions. Majority of these Yoruba slaves were born in Africa and many still remembered where they came from such that many years after, some of them returned back to Yorubaland (Agudas), especially when the Oba of Lagos at that time declared the borders of Lagos open to Yoruba returnees. These Yoruba returnees came back with foreign last names, a few of them later changed their last names to Yoruba names. Some of these returnees returned to Sierra Leone where some settled and a small percentage came back to Lagos (Saros). However, for majority of the slaves or descendants of other tribes, many were local-born in Latin America and were unable to trace exactly where their ancestors were taken from though they may have known the tribe but the actual village many did not know.
However, given the favorable circumstances surrounding the Yoruba middle passage, one would wonder why the language did not survive as a living language among Yoruba descendants in places like Brazil? Given that these slaves had arrived at a time when freedom of worship and association were allowed to slaves unlike 50 to 100 years earlier. Lukumi, the old Yoruba dialect, remains a liturgical language used during Ifa worship just as Latin is sometimes used in Catholic worship but it is not spoken natively by anybody in these countries. Also, mostly the Ifa priests tend to understand/know the meaning behind lukumi verses and most of the Ifa worshipers do not understand what is being said, except if the worship is conducted in Portuguese as it is sometimes done.
To slaves from other tribes (such as Fon, Akan, Ga, Congolese, Igbo, Efiks etc) in Latin America, the arrival of Yoruba slaves and the introduction of their religion was highly welcome as it served as their major re-connection to mama africa, even till now. Ifa religion accommodates members from other tribes and non-africans, and not all practitioners are necessarily of Yoruba descent. Till today some blacks in the Latin American diaspora especially, who may not necessarily be of Yoruba descent, try to reconnect to mama Africa and the Yoruba religion is often the first African religion they encounter. For former British slave colonies, or English-speaking Latin and Caribbean countries such as United States, Jamaica, Belize, Guyana, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, St. Vincent etc. and Haiti (french speaking) the British preferred Igbo, Akan and Congolese slaves and these 3 groups form the majority of slave descent in these countries. GO AND GOOGLE CARLOTA OF CUBA. YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YORUBA AND THE REST OF YOU ALL EITHER AS FEMALE OR MAKE . WE ARE A PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN IMMORTALITY. THIS THE REASON WE TRY TO DO THE UNTHINKABLE. HAS ANYONE OF STOCK DONE ANYTHING CLOSE TO HER HISTORY? |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:31pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: This is false for so many reasons. First, carbon dating evidence reveals that Nri civilization is the oldest civilization in southern Nigeria, coming into existence 300 years before Ife, the first Yoruba civilization around the 1200s. Second Olukwumi people who are settlers settled in delta Igboland in as recently as the 18th century - many centuries after Igbos had been settled in their area. There is no evidence of cultural exchange to the east via olukwumi speaking people. Infact majority of them have been assimilated into the Igbo culture. Third, there's not a slight evidence of Yoruba colonization in Igbo land. Come off it. Igbo as a tribal name has been in use since as early as the beginning of the slave trade around the 16th century. Several slave records and documents prove this. Igbo slaves were known as Eboe, Heeboe etc. in the Americas as early as the 16th century. Olaudah Equiano, an ex Igbo slave, in his memoir written in the 1700s referred to his people as 'eboe'. Several Igbo town names in existence for many centuries bear 'Igbo' in them such as Igbo Ukwu (Anambra state), Igboere (Abia state) etc. Igbo is one southern Nigerian tribe that includes its tribal name in its village names and also personal names (Igboamaeze, Igbogekwu, etc). Fourth, Yoruba survival in the Caribbean was not of any special happenstance but instead due to the fact that Yoruba was the last or among the last ethnic groups to be sold into slavery, towards the abolishment of slavery by the British, that is in as recently as the 19th century or around the 1800s. The British abolished first in 1807 however slavery continued along the shores of West Africa freely. The British no longer traded in slaves nor sent slave ships to West Africa but the Portuguese especially continued buying slaves, rather secretly in the night, from west African ports. This explains why the Yoruba slave descendants till today are mostly found in Latin America (spanish and portuguese speaking countries such as Brazil, Cuba etc). The Oyo wars going on at this time provided the bulk of slaves (mostly war captives) leaving west Africa. It was also during this time that desertification of Ketu village by Dahomean warriors took place and no less than 20,000 Ketu Yorubas were sold into slavery by Dahomey. Ketu village was left scanty for many decades, only repopulated recently. It was not until 1833 that the British enforced the the abolishment of slave trade by intercepting slave ships leaving the shores for West Africa and dropping these slaves off in nearby towns such as Freetown in sierra leone. Yorubas who made it to Latin America met descendants of other tribes who had been stripped off their names and identity during the peak and enforcement of slavery laws and had long forgotten their connection to Africa. The Yorubas, still being fresh from Africa, were still strongly connected with their tradition and religion and also slavery laws had begun to weaken in Latin America, slavery was coming to an end, and slaves were allowed more freedom or worship and association. Thus, the Yoruba language and religion, being the last to arrive Latin america, survived as a matter of favorable times and conditions. Majority of these Yoruba slaves were born in Africa and many still remembered where they came from such that many years after, some of them returned back to Yorubaland (Agudas), especially when the Oba of Lagos at that time declared the borders of Lagos open to Yoruba returnees. These Yoruba returnees came back with foreign last names, a few of them later changed their last names to Yoruba names. Some of these returnees returned to Sierra Leone where some settled and a small percentage came back to Lagos (Saros). However, for majority of the slaves or descendants of other tribes, many were local-born in Latin America and were unable to trace exactly where their ancestors were taken from though they may have known the tribe but the actual village many did not know.
However, given the favorable circumstances surrounding the Yoruba middle passage, one would wonder why the language did not survive as a living language among Yoruba descendants in places like Brazil? Given that these slaves had arrived at a time when freedom of worship and association were allowed to slaves unlike 50 to 100 years earlier. Lukumi, the old Yoruba dialect, remains a liturgical language used during Ifa worship just as Latin is sometimes used in Catholic worship but it is not spoken natively by anybody in these countries. Also, mostly the Ifa priests tend to understand/know the meaning behind lukumi verses and most of the Ifa worshipers do not understand what is being said, except if the worship is conducted in Portuguese as it is sometimes done.
For other tribes, the arrival of Yoruba slaves and the introduction of their religion was highly welcome as it served as their major re-connection to mama africa, even till now. Ifa religion accommodates members from other tribes and non-africans, and not all practitioners are necessarily of Yoruba descent. Till today some blacks in the Latin American diaspora especially, who may not necessarily be of Yoruba descent, try to reconnect to mama Africa and the Yoruba religion is often the first they encounter. For former British slave colonies, or English-speaking Latin and Caribbean countries such as United States, Jamaica, Belize, Guyana, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, St. Vincent etc. and Haiti (french speaking) the British preferred Igbo, Akan and Congolese slaves and these 3 groups form the majority of slave descent in these countries. Who told you the language didn't survive? Why then do they kept coming back to festival like Olokun or Osun Oshogbo? OR PAYING HOMAGE TO OONI OR ALAAFIN. It is true that not all IFA WORSHIPPERS IN DIASPORA ARE OF YORUBA DESCENDANTS BUT WHY DON'T THEY ACKNOWLEDGE IBOS ETHNICITY?, PLACE LIKE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CAN BE CONTESTED MANY AFRICANS ETHNIC GROUPS BUT OTHER PART OF AMERICAS? IT IS LARGELY IMPOSSIBLE. FROM CUBA TO TRIDAD TO JAMAICA TO CHILE TO COLOMBIA TO BRAZIL ETC, YORUBA ARE STRONGLY IDENTIFIED AMONGST THEM DURING THE SLAVE TRADE ERA BECAUSE OF THEIR PHYSICAL STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP QUALITIES. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:19pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: This is false for so many reasons. First, carbon dating evidence reveals that Nri civilization is the oldest civilization in southern Nigeria, coming into existence 300 years before Ife, the first Yoruba civilization around the 1200s. Second Olukwumi people who are settlers settled in delta Igboland in as recently as the 18th century - many centuries after Igbos had been settled in their area. There is no evidence of cultural exchange to the east via olukwumi speaking people. Infact majority of them have been assimilated into the Igbo culture. Third, there's not a slight evidence of Yoruba colonization in Igbo land. Come off it. Igbo as a tribal name has been in use since as early as the beginning of the slave trade around the 16th century. Several slave records and documents prove this. Igbo slaves were known as Eboe, Heeboe etc. in the Americas as early as the 16th century. Olaudah Equiano, an ex Igbo slave, in his memoir written in the 1700s referred to his people as 'eboe'. Several Igbo town names in existence for many centuries bear 'Igbo' in them such as Igbo Ukwu (Anambra state), Igboere (Abia state) etc. Igbo is one southern Nigerian tribe that includes its tribal name in its village names and also personal names (Igboamaeze, Igbogekwu, etc). Fourth, Yoruba survival in the Caribbean was not of any special happenstance but instead due to the fact that Yoruba was the last or among the last ethnic groups to be sold into slavery, towards the abolishment of slavery by the British, that is in as recently as the 19th century or around the 1800s. The British abolished first in 1807 however slavery continued along the shores of West Africa freely. The British no longer traded in slaves nor sent slave ships to West Africa but the Portuguese especially continued buying slaves, rather secretly in the night, from west African ports. This explains why the Yoruba slave descendants till today are mostly found in Latin America (spanish and portuguese speaking countries such as Brazil, Cuba etc). The Oyo wars going on at this time provided the bulk of slaves (mostly war captives) leaving west Africa. It was also during this time that desertification of Ketu village by Dahomean warriors took place and no less than 20,000 Ketu Yorubas were sold into slavery by Dahomey. Ketu village was left scanty for many decades, only repopulated recently. It was not until 1833 that the British enforced the the abolishment of slave trade by intercepting slave ships leaving the shores for West Africa and dropping these slaves off in nearby towns such as Freetown in sierra leone. Yorubas who made it to Latin America met descendants of other tribes who had been stripped off their names and identity during the peak and enforcement of slavery laws and had long forgotten their connection to Africa. The Yorubas, still being fresh from Africa, were still strongly connected with their tradition and religion and also slavery laws had begun to weaken in Latin America, slavery was coming to an end, and slaves were allowed more freedom or worship and association. Thus, the Yoruba language and religion, being the last to arrive Latin america, survived as a matter of favorable times and conditions. Majority of these Yoruba slaves were born in Africa and many still remembered where they came from such that many years after, some of them returned back to Yorubaland (Agudas), especially when the Oba of Lagos at that time declared the borders of Lagos open to Yoruba returnees. These Yoruba returnees came back with foreign last names, a few of them later changed their last names to Yoruba names. Some of these returnees returned to Sierra Leone where some settled and a small percentage came back to Lagos (Saros). However, for majority of the slaves or descendants of other tribes, many were local-born in Latin America and were unable to trace exactly where their ancestors were taken from though they may have known the tribe but the actual village many did not know.
However, given the favorable circumstances surrounding the Yoruba middle passage, one would wonder why the language did not survive as a living language among Yoruba descendants in places like Brazil? Given that these slaves had arrived at a time when freedom of worship and association were allowed to slaves unlike 50 to 100 years earlier. Lukumi, the old Yoruba dialect, remains a liturgical language used during Ifa worship just as Latin is sometimes used in Catholic worship but it is not spoken natively by anybody in these countries. Also, mostly the Ifa priests tend to understand/know the meaning behind lukumi verses and most of the Ifa worshipers do not understand what is being said, except if the worship is conducted in Portuguese as it is sometimes done.
For other tribes, the arrival of Yoruba slaves and the introduction of their religion was highly welcome as it served as their major re-connection to mama africa, even till now. Ifa religion accommodates members from other tribes and non-africans, and not all practitioners are necessarily of Yoruba descent. Till today some blacks in the Latin American diaspora especially, who may not necessarily be of Yoruba descent, try to reconnect to mama Africa and the Yoruba religion is often the first they encounter. For former British slave colonies, or English-speaking Latin and Caribbean countries such as United States, Jamaica, Belize, Guyana, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, St. Vincent etc. and Haiti (french speaking) the British preferred Igbo, Akan and Congolese slaves and these 3 groups form the majority of slave descent in these countries. |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:18pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: This is false for so many reasons. First, carbon dating evidence reveals that Nri civilization is the oldest civilization in southern Nigeria, coming into existence 300 years before Ife, the first Yoruba civilization around the 1200s. Second Olukwumi people who are settlers settled in delta Igboland in as recently as the 18th century - many centuries after Igbos had been settled in their area. There is no evidence of cultural exchange to the east via olukwumi speaking people. Infact majority of them have been assimilated into the Igbo culture. Third, there's not a slight evidence of Yoruba colonization in Igbo land. Come off it. Igbo as a tribal name has been in use since as early as the beginning of the slave trade around the 16th century. Several slave records and documents prove this. Several Igbo town names in existence for many centuries bear 'Igbo' in them such as Igbo Ukwu (Anambra state), Igboere (Abia state) etc. Fourth, Yoruba survival in the Caribbean was not of any special happening but instead due to the fact that Yoruba was the last or among the last ethnic groups to be sold into slavery, towards the abolishment of slavery by the British, that is in as recently as the 19th century or around the 1800s. The British abolished first in 1807 however slavery continued along the shores of West Africa freely. The British no longer traded in slaves nor sent slave ships to West Africa but the Portuguese especially continued buying slaves, rather secretly in the night, from west African ports. This explains why the Yoruba slave descendants till today are mostly found in Latin America (spanish and portuguese speaking countries such as Brazil, Cuba etc). The Oyo wars going on at this time provided the bulk of slaves leaving west Africa. It was also during this time that desertification of Ketu village by Dahomean warriors took place and no less than 20,000 Ketu Yorubas were sold into slavery by Dahomey. Ketu village was left scanty for many decades, only repopulated recently. It was not until 1833 that the British enforced the the abolishment of slave trade by intercepting slave ships leaving the shores for West Africa and dropping these slaves off in nearby towns such as Freetown in sierra leone. Yorubas who made it to Latin America met descendants of other tribes who had been stripped off their names and identity during the peak and enforcement of slavery laws and had long forgotten their connection to Africa. The Yorubas, still being fresh from Africa, were still strongly connected with their tradition and religion and also slavery laws had begun to weaken in Latin America, slavery was coming to an end, and slaves were allowed more freedom or worship and association. Thus, the Yoruba language and religion, being the last to arrive Latin america, survived as a matter of favorable times and conditions. Majority of these Yoruba slaves were born in Africa and many still remembered where they came from such that many years after, some of them returned back to Yorubaland (Agudas), especially when the Oba of Lagos at that time declared the borders of Lagos open to Yoruba returnees. These Yoruba returnees came back with foreign last names, a few of them later changed their last names to Yoruba names. Some of these returnees returned to Sierra Leone where some settled and a small percentage came back to Lagos (Saros). However, for majority of the slaves or descendants of other tribes, many were local-born in Latin America and were unable to trace exactly where their ancestors were taken from though they may have known the tribe but the actual village many did not know.
However, given the favorable circumstances surrounding the Yoruba middle passage, one would wonder why the language did not survive as a living language among Yoruba descendants in places like Brazil? Given that these slaves had arrived at a time when freedom of worship and association were allowed to slaves unlike 50 to 100 years earlier. Lukumi, the old Yoruba dialect, remains a liturgical language used during Ifa worship just as Latin is sometimes used in Catholic worship but it is not spoken natively by anybody in these countries. Also, mostly the Ifa priests tend to understand/know the meaning behind lukumi verses and most of the Ifa worshipers do not understand what is being said, except if the worship is conducted in Portuguese as it is sometimes done.
For other tribes, the arrival of Yoruba slaves and the introduction of their religion was highly welcome as it served as their major re-connection to mama africa, even till now. Ifa religion accommodates members from other tribes and non-africans, and not all practitioners are necessarily of Yoruba descent. Till today some blacks in the Latin American diaspora especially, who may not necessarily be of Yoruba descent, try to reconnect to mama africa and the Yoruba religion is often the first they encounter. For former British slave colonies, or English-speaking Latin and Caribbean countries such as United States, Jamaica, Belize, Guyana, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, St. Vincent etc. and Haiti (french speaking) the British preferred Igbo, Akan and Congolese slaves and these 3 groups form the majority of slave descent in these countries. Get your facts very well. The first settlement in and around ILE IFE WAS AROUND 6BC.PROPER URBANISATION WAS AROUND 1000AD. Did they tell you that the whole of ILE IFE WAS TESTED? NO! not all was tested..... |
Culture › Re: Similarities And Differences Between Ilaje And Itsekiri by Olu317(m): 10:10pm On Jan 17, 2017 |
bigfrancis21: This is false for so many reasons. First, carbon dating evidence reveals that Nri civilization is the oldest civilization in southern Nigeria, coming into existence 300 years before Ife, the first Yoruba civilization around the 1200s. Second Olukwumi people who are settlers settled in delta Igboland in as recently as the 18th century - many centuries after Igbos had been settled in their area. There is no evidence of cultural exchange to the east via olukwumi speaking people. Infact majority of them have been assimilated into the Igbo culture. Third, there's not a slight evidence of Yoruba colonization in Igbo land. Come off it. Igbo as a tribal name has been in use since as early as the beginning of the slave trade around the 16th century. Several slave records and documents prove this. Several Igbo town names in existence for many centuries bear 'Igbo' in them such as Igbo Ukwu (Anambra state), Igboere (Abia state) etc. Fourth, Yoruba survival in the Caribbean was not of any special happening but instead due to the fact that Yoruba was the last or among the last ethnic groups to be sold into slavery, towards the abolishment of slavery by the British, that is in as recently as the 19th century or around the 1800s. The British abolished first in 1807 however slavery continued along the shores of West Africa freely. The British no longer traded in slaves nor sent slave ships to west africa but the Portuguese especially continued buying slaves, rather secretly, from west African ports. The Oyo wars going on at this time provided the bulk of slaves leaving west Africa. It was also during this time that desertification of Ketu village by Dahomean warriors took place and no less than 20,000 Ketu Yorubas were sold into slavery by Dahomey. Ketu village was left scanty for many decades, only repopulated recently. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE STORY MISTER MAN. DO MORE RESEARCH AND KNOW WHERE SOME YORUBA WERE CAPTURED DUE COLLAPSE OF OYO EMPIRE. WE HAVE PAID OUR DUES AS GREAT KINGDOMS WHAT DO YOU IBOS HAVE TO SHOW? and does it mean your Nri were the first settlers of human habitat? the oldest place where human (homo) habitat with skeleton to proof it was found in Yoruba land as far as Nigeria is concerned. So do your findings very well. Stop peddling wrong information on a social media as big as this FORUM. |