₦airaland Forum

igbodefender:
There will keep being confusion on this issue until the issue of the Igbo aborigines of Ile Ife (the Lucumi) is willingly addressed and acknowledged.These people were led by Obatala, who was also called Oba Igbo and Obi Osere Igbo. The last Obatala before the warrior Oduduwa and the heroine Moremi liberated Ile Ife for the Yorubas was Oba Igbo Oreluere. His son Prince (later Eze) Chima was the last titular Prince of Benin, the same way the crown Prince of England, Prince Charles is also the titular Prince of Wales. This is where the confusion comes from.

It was only after Ogiso Owodo that the Benin people started having Obas. Before then, they had approached the Igbo aborigines of Uhe (Ile Ife) with the proposal to provide them with titular princes in the manner I have staTed above. For more get this kindle book:
https://www.amazon.com/History-Igbo-World-Ancient-Civilization-ebook/dp/B01K4AIUO8

.You are joking! This info you have on here is not part of Yoruba history because, you don't know that our rich culture/history is enshrined in cults (religion). No prince left Ile Ife without a sword of Prince hood from Royal House of ILE IFE,as you can see, that's where you story is PUNCTURED! The people of the South Eastern Nigerians aren't Igbo until recently. Go check the history before bringing unfathomable historic relationship. Kini oriki idile Ibos?, The ugbo or igbo depending on the nasal pronunciation,just as we say Eledumare or Olodumare. There are different parts of Yoruba that pronounces with nasal tone while others pronounces with less nasal tone. Kindly stop this irreconcilable truth of trying to muddle a group of people with absolute different ideology. The Oluigbo has come out to differentiate between Ibos (Ndi gbo that came to existence in less than 100 years ) and compare to ugbo/ìgbo Yoruba descendants of thousands of years. I guess the next thing is for IBO's historians to start claiming every part of Yoruba land that has same letters words ( Igbo/Ìgbó which mean so many things in Yoruba land ) but different in meaning from Ibos (Ndi gbo) . Even the Agatu /Igbira/ Nupe (Tapa ) whose language and people that are closely related to Yoruba knows the fact that YORUBA AND THEM AREN'T THE SAME PEOPLE. To the extent that Yoruba use proverb to refer to the Tapas of the ancient time at one time that says; ãyè gbà Tapa tan O un kò ilè igunu. How much more the south East people of Ibo extraction. This show the difference between Yoruba of Ile Ife descendants of Nupe/Tapa descendants

obaaderemi:
It's alright,bro olu.Sheathe your sword.

I fall inline...sword sheathed

ItsQuinn:
Funny enough, I wasn't even close to getting drunk

You would need more strong drinks than that in order for me to get drunk

Quin, honestly, this isn't my problem but as an admirer f your tomboyish attitude, I would expect you ignore the guy that ‘mentioned getting you drunk at the party'. You are too quick to fall into bait. I don't expect you to stoop low and engage him continually. Bae from the South East, I thought you are smart enough to know that not every single di.k is worth s.ckin. Don't dine with a man with loose tongue. Age has nothing to do with it but a classy lifestyle with self restraint from chaotic situation. Proudly Yoruba blood.

kikuyu2:
Negro,this thread reached almost 300 pages of unbridled hostility after which we all unilaterally disarmed and declared a ceasefire. DON'T START THAT ISH AGAIN!

I ain't ‘Negro' bro but ODUAN or YORUBA blood. I don't know about the unilateral ceasefire or whatever term suits you to address the banter between you,your likes and Nigerians but DON'T CONDEMN MY PART OF NIGERIA because a place you haven't being to is always in between a A HEAVENLY PLACE OR HELL in your heart until you visit.... period!

Kenyanstar:
Its not wrong in any way for other nationals of various countries to flood Kenya but the only disadvantage that Nigerians carry from their country is the sense of unbridled bushman attitude. Nigerians major undertaking is the thought that everything in this world can be solved or resolved by being crude, rude, loud, abrasive and highly unreasonable. Kenyans are a pretty conservative society who believe in the art of decency, unlike Nigerians who assume that to achieve anything the end justifies the means and the criminality that accompanies it.

you are ABSOLUTELY wrong about your perception. If you are conversant with countries with high crime rate, Nigeria is far behind amongst many nations of the world including your so claimed Kenya. If United States of America as proclaimed to be the best country in nearly all sphere of life and yet her law hasn't checked the rate at which her crime rate with the highest rate of gun shot with less than five minutes averagely, then you need be well informed. Even your so called is being heavily challenged by Al Shabab terrorist organization that can't be compared with Boko Haram. If you place ratio based on population of 180,000,0000+ compared to Kenya's population projected 46,000,000 + (not going by the last census in 2013 which specifically pegged Kenya population at 44,500,000)then you will understand that your country men aren't conservative at all on crimes . This ratio will be around 4:1 if Nigeria is truly embedded in crime but this ratio on Criminal activities of Boko Haram and other related crimes are definitely lesser than Nigeria's citizens true crime rate within or outside her shore . Take for instance, how many Nigerians are jailed yearly for crime rates compared to her actual population? This is a pointer to who Nigerians are. Like I saw in one piece about Nigerian ladies, from One Somali Kenyan guy , claiming he met a Nigerian lady or liked them(Nigerian ladies). The question you need asked some of these ladies you met are; where is she from in Nigeria? The truth is that many Africans men or women did find their way to Nigeria in the past when Nigeria passport was very good and free from all sort of condemnation from the western world. But these set of Africans including some from your country men came to process the International Passport through the back door and many abused it and did a lot of crimes in the name of Nigeria, mostly outside the shore of Africa. This was a period when Nigeria's Naira was on equal value to US dollar or near equal in value (N1.2=$1). Having opined the true nature of things, I hope you will understand that inferiority complex has a way of deterring people which had been a problem to your country men from traveling outside your country. I am tempted to to remind you that despite near same period of exposure to many tribes and ethnic groups being captured as slaves during slave trade in Africa, Nigeria is still ahead of your country in terms of technology and Nigerians are more developed than you in terms of self individual development. Many Nigerians excel in western world. The Donald Trump of USA couldn't resist the knowledge and experience Nigerian to be in his cabinet despite his hate speech against Africa. Don't remind me of BARRACK OBAMA because he wouldn't have being the President of United States of America if he wasn't a HALF CASTE. And he nearly made America loose her position as the leader and role model among the nations of the world which made Republican won the presidency at the White House. He indeed caused some many problems for Africa countries especially Libya, that has been in turmoil since Gaddafi was killed. All thanks to your Half Kenya, half Irish blood of America descent!. Nobody in the world want to know the your good deed but judge you on your mistakes, these served him right!.And lastly, what did he do toward your economic growth? Ponder over this very well to see the truth.

charliboy654:
Tuface is part of the problem, u say u want good governance, but u receive gifts from corrupt politicians. How does that sound. Wit all the money he has how much has he invest in Nigeria, finally why didn't he protest for good governance all this while, or he just realized Nigeria need good governance?

Perhaps 2019 may be a time for him to show his strength as a potential POLITICIAN.

MtuMsuper:
Yet your countrymen flood our country and try to think they "own" this place.Some for proper reasons, but most for wrong reasons. All over the place. You will never get see kenyans flooding your beautiful 9ja, will you?

Definitely you won't see Kenyans flooding Nigeria at all because of the peculiarities of survival instinct. Kenyans can't stand the test of time in Nigeria. I guess this among many factors make Nigerians excel wherever they find themselves. The Western world's exposure has given Nigerians unequalled advantage to survive anywhere in the world compared to other Africans. Nigeria's Glo has the most advanced state of the art communication technology gadgets installed in Africa. Putting this in to consideration the effects of having access to the globe especially the well developed economies of the world

lawani:
WHAT IS SPECIAL IN YOUR YORUBA AND WHAT HAVE YOU ACHIEVED? WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO POINT TO IN TODAY'S WORLD?. WHAT MAKES YOU GREAT?. YOU BETTER GET SERIOUS AND STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF?.

.@ lawani, HE WHO HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF UNSEEN AND POWERFUL AND MYSTERY BEING NEED NOT KNOW THE INTRICACIES IN IT YET SEEK IT BUT NEVER FIND IT. YORUBA HAVEN'T ACHIEVED? I HAVE READ AND SEEN MANY EXCELLING IN THEIR QUIET WORLD WHILE RECOGNITION AND REWARDS ARE ALWAYS THE TESTIMONIES TO A SUCCESSFUL YORUBA BLOOD( OPO LA PÈ DI É LA YÁN NI NU DI É BABA TI KA ÈMI MO WON) . A MAN WHO KNOWS NOT WHO HE WAS CAN'T BE BOLD ENOUGH TO STAND AMONGST GREAT MEN BUT DINES WITH MERE MEN. ON MY ACHIEVEMENT, IT IS MY ‘BRAIN' WHICH WAS THE GIFT from ELEDUMARE (JESUS) WHO BESTOWED AND IMPLANTED IN MY ERI(ORI)THE GIFTs THAT DIFFERS FROM YOURS AND OTHERS. EMI OMO OKÈRILÈ ALAGADA OGUN..... KARE BA MI...

IsaacClanBoko:
I'm a Somali male and the only desirable Kenyans are Swahili and they have Arab and Portuguese admixture but I prefer Nigerian women because they're glutes are sexy aswell as there chesty and make my body heat up when they touch me

Really?, I am from Nigeria but don't see our babes like that.

bigfrancis21:
The difference between you and I, again, is that I deal in facts. Anybody in the field of academics should know the importance of dealing in facts/evidence and not hearsay. You don't just say things and expect people to swallow it because you said it, you have to back it up with evidence - that I have done all through this thread.

The image attached below shows that as of the 1640s, the Yoruba population is estimated at 617,000 or a little over half a million. This is not enough to support one of your previous statements, especially looking at where we are coming from and where we are going to. By the 1900s, the figure is estimated at 2 million people. The other image attached below shows the population of southern Nigeria as of the 1920s and we pretty much see where everyone stands at. How we suddenly go from such numbers to high double digit figures as of the 2000s beats me.

By the way, we all know Nigeria's current population figures are inflated and exaggerated just to keep certain people ahead. A proper census conducted in Nigeria will leave everybody shocked. Many articles that quote Yoruba as one of the largest go by our 'Nigerian census' data which we know is highly flawed. That is a story for another day.

.These are mere documents written by some people who could either be biased or not know who are truly of Yoruba ancestry. Like I had mentioned earlier, if Yoruba descendants can be found in more than thirty two countries in the world then that should be an eye opener to you. From Ilorin to Part of Lokoja to part of Bida, there are Yoruba elements till today who are not addressed as Yoruba because of Nigeria's factor but let them be found under terrible conditions, that's when they come out on top of their voices. The Olukunmi, of this world in delta state aren't classified as Yoruba yet they acknowledge it. The Itsekiri aren't classified as Yoruba yet they are. The People of GA in Ghana testified to the ILE IFE country home as their forefathers homeland. The Cabe, Ica,Ije,Nago,Kura Nago, Manigri(Kambolé) etc are yoruba descendants who were partly captured as slaves to Americas. Do you know these people? yet their religious beliefs testify to their ancestral connection to ILE IFE. It is foolhardy for anyone to think and restrict Yoruba to western Nigeria. Some may not care if you call them different names but the unifying place of origin is ILE IFE.... You may have book to show slaves being ferried across the Atlantic sea without proper documentation of who are of any tribes or ethnicity like Yoruba descendants but IN THEIR HEART THEY CARRY THEIR ORAL HISTORY. Yoruba are very organised, even till today. For instance, you,bigfrancis, do you genuinely know your three or four generations before you? In Yoruba land, family tree is too important to us. Even the developed western world(Europeans/whites) follow this pattern of family tree trait despite the fact that they criticise our oral history,they are yet to leave us alone because we are at par with them. Research kept going on us about our religion and claim on Middle East migration. The bottom line here is that our oral historical factors have shaped our lives irrespective of difference. Let me inform one unique thing about Yoruba people from wherever is the way we criticise one and another and disagree with one another( Ki a ja ki sè bi ti iku/ to disagree or quarrel with one another isn't unto death). This truly is our strength yet some people see it as a weakness but lacked the understanding that when we are faced with an enemy,then in UNITY we fight like BEES. This is the reason we (YORUBA) remain the GREATEST as a nation.

Day11:
Bubu...Please step down and look to your health and stop doing agidi,...You are OLD. You need to rest.... let the anointed man of God rule this country.

Dis great step alone will ease the hardship on everyone.

Imagine,1 pack of Hungry man noodles that used to be 70 is now 200 naira.

Itzwell

Really? This Nigeria's NAIRA is practically a PIECE of paper and no more a dignified currency. I am still in a state of shock to see other import driven economy like Benin Republic, Togo, Cote D 'voire, Senegal etc of Francophone,West Africa to have a near collapsed economy like Nigeria. But they still have their currency at the same rate against the dollar with lesser and no reckless double digits inflation. It is a shame on BUHARI'S APC led government. A real shame.

sarrki:
Do you know is against the rule to write in capital letter

Always live by the rule you are guided

Oops! my wrong. I don't like following rules bro but as my heart direct although I had learned from the great men in their elderly age that there is NO room for error when it comes to one's responsibility and once erroneous mistakes are made, then one is condemned by one's detractors and some followers. Despite the fact that I have been banned on here for reasons best known to the moderator(s) on his/her/their perspective as regard the norms as depict on here. I didn't complain nor defend my actual reason for response to defamatory words express by my offenders on me. I am a pure Yoruba breed and anyone who uses a foul language on me is ready for response from me. I don't hit at anyone unless vulgar words are directed at me. And if I made an open remark on a tribe that I didn't mention; translation from my Yoruba word(’people that don't know than to worship money)why would I be banned?, ko ma kan mi o Adiye ti o sú ti o tô ni sè bi ara é lo wa.@ Sarrki, I LIVE BY BOYS SCOUT MOTTO; BE PREPARED.E MI OMO AROGUN DADE, EMI OMO AROTE MA BERU........ TI WON KI NI KAABIYESI E OOOO

scholes0:
The so called Ikaladeran/Ekaladerhan of the Benins is not even Oduduwa, and has never been!
According to authentic Benin history, he was a son of their last Ogiso who was banished and wandered in the bush for days, before finally settling in Ughoton (Ughoton is somewhere in Edo state today, near the confluence of the Osse (Ovia) and Bini rivers).
It if from Ughoton that he was sent for to return back home to the town according to some sources in Benin, while other sources in Benin like Egharevba say he was killed in Ughoton by forces of Ogiso owodo. As in, he was killed and buried there, at an unmarked gravesite.

Whatever the case may be, Ekaladerhan was never oduduwa. The attempt by some unscrupulous elements to make the banished Benin prince ekaladerhan is only very very recent and has never been corroborated in Benin history until now (revisionist attempts).

DO EKALADERHAN HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF ‘ASARA' OR ROBE WEARING? OR THE CROWN SHAPED ON HIS HEAD(ODUA's head) WAS FROM OGODOMIGODO? SOON, BINI CHIEFS WILL START PEDDLING RUMOURS AGAIN THAT OGUN WAS FROM OGODOMIGODO OR OBATALA WAS FROM OGODOMIGODO. YORUBA ANCIENT MEN WERE SO ORALLY VAST THAT THEY RECALL THEIR MIGRATION TO ILE IFE BUT WILL NEVER COME OUT OPENLY TO SPEAK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THE CULTS IN ILE IFE. YORUBA LANGUAGE IS ENSHRINED IS ASHÉ/ASÉ ( HEBREW'S MASHAH).IFA HAS THE EULOGY TALKED ABOUT IT

sarrki:
N so what ?

Abeg enough of this history class

The world is a global village

THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE.

sarrki:
N so what ?

Abeg enough of this history class

The world is a global village

THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE.

sarrki:
N so what ?

Abeg enough of this history class

The world is a global village

@ bigfrancis, THAT IS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE BUT YORUBA TRADITIONS ARE TOO STRONG TO BE CORRUPTED ESPECIALLY IFA. ORUN OBA ADO HAS A BURIAL GROUND. IN THE ANCIENT TIMES, PRINCES OF ILE IFE ARE NOT BURIED OUTSIDE ILE AND ONCE THEY MIGRATE TO ANY DESTINATION, SACRIFICES ACCORDING TO IFA'S DICTATES ARE MADE BEFORE BEING BURIED IN SUCH LAND OF SOJOURN AND ESTABLISHMENT. SO MANY THINGS BINI CHIEFS WANT TO KILL JUST TO PROMOTE BINI KINGDOM AS A VERY BIG AND MIGHTY ONE FOR TOURISM PURPOSES CAN NOT COME TO PASS BEYOND ITS ORIGINAL STATUS . BINI KINGDOM WAS BIG TO A LARGE EXTENT BUT DUE TO YORUBA'S INFLUENCE. MANY PEOPLE OF ILE IFE SETTLED DOWN AT BINI EITHER THROUGH ORANMIYAN ENTOURAGE OR MIGRATION. THE TRUTH IS THAT YORUBA DIDN'T AT ANYTIME DENIED BINI'S RIGHT AS A MEMBER OF ODUA LINEAGE BUT SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND HISTORIAN LIKE EGHAVRE TRIED SO MUCH TO DO SUCH. TRUTH HAS A WAY OF FINDING ITSELF IN THE FOREFRONT NO MATTER HOW HARD IT IS BEEN SUPPRESSED. GO TO ILE IFE AND YOU WILL HAVE MORE KNOWLEDGE OF IT IF YOU MEET SOMEONE WHO IS FROM ODUA'S LINEAGE AND THOSE WHO ARE TRADITIONS GUARDIANS AND WHO MUST BE A MEMBER OF THE CULTS BEING PRACTICE AS DICTATES BY OUR ANCESTORS TILL TODAY. ORUN OBA ADO(BINI KINGS) PLACE OF BURIAL IS STILL FOREVER THERE AT ILE IFE.

scholes0:
@Bigfrancis
Evidence 1.
Both Benin and Yoruba history corroborate the facts that every third Benin Oba used to be taken to Ife, some say just the head, others say the whole body- but both agree with the burial at Ife.
According to Egharevba the popular Benin historian, the practice seem to have been stopped before the British expedition and subsequent conquest of Benin. But it DID happen.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/288/32660670465_1c35f15f49_b.jpg

In Fact the Oba of Benin was said to recognize the Ooni's spiritual sovereignty, even though that later became nominal.

Evidence 2
Their Divinition comes from Ife

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/452/32507297952_dec283c932_b.jpg

Evidence 3.
Their crafts come from Ife

A:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/518/32660548425_ee362e12de_b.jpg

B:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/579/31848503993_95e5804fff_b.jpg


Evidence 4.
Their History and Mythology has always acknowledged Ife and Other Yoruba obas

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/585/32281471580_8987f103bc_b.jpg

Edos are always VERY QUICK to attack Yoruba version of history, BUT they have NEVER ever for once told us where the Edos come from.
Christians say God created the world in 6 days and "rested" on the 7th, Yorubas say Oduduwa created the world starting from Ife, while Obatala created man... Edos never tell us anything. All they do is attack Yoruba history, while actually telling us nothing about their own Origins. Okay if Oduduwa was not a Yoruba character like the Benin's claim, then where did the Benin's themselves or the Ogisos, who like Oduduwa are also Semi-mythical characters come from?
It is easy for people to laugh at one explanation to a theory as "not making common sense" while providing no alternative explanation. That is what scientologists do when they attack religion.

This Esogban has a penchant for stirring the fish stew and causing trouble, him, together with the likes of the Alake of Egba who went about the unsolicited business of ranking Obas. If He wants to totally de-link the Benin/Edo history from Yorubas, Abeg let him just say that and let us all rest. Haba. This is just revisionist history at its best.

.WELL SAID. IF THEY WANT TO DISCONTINUE ANY LINK WITH YORUBA, THEN LET THEM SO DO. AFTER ALL BABA ATI OMO KO NI OKO KI ALA MA WA.. AM EVEN TIRED OF THIS RANTING EVERY OTHER ATTACK ON YORUBA TRADITIONS BY SOME OF THE CHIEFS AND COUNTER ACCUSATION OF HISTORY DISTORTING. LET BINI BE IF THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR TRUTH AND TRADITIONS YET THEY WORSHIP IFA. OR WE SHOULD ASK BINI IF IFA IS ALSO FROM OGODOMIGODO? OR IS IT FROM BINI?

bigfrancis21:
If this is your argument, then I could say with a degree of certainty that some slaves from the Bight of Biafra may have been sold also through the Bight of Benin. However, in the end such numbers are very minute going both ways to make any significant difference.

One of the biggest mistakes from you and the likes perspective is that you find it hard to agree to the posited view of other researchers that Yoruba is the largest homogeneous ethnicity in Africa because your perception were the Ibos had more population. Historians have posited that the first key factor to identify an ethnic group is religion while language comes behind it. Yoruba groups were called with different names at different places at different times. Till infinity, Yoruba groups will always identify themselves with ILE IFE and Yoruba traditions. This is a pointer to whom are of Yoruba ethnicity wherever they are found. Every man or woman captured as slave of Yoruba ancestry have knowledge on what is known as FAMILY TREE to a large extent which has helped many people to have idea on their identity on the place of origin. Every Yoruba prince or princess has a sword made from ILE IFE to always identify him and his subjects wherever he migrated towards. And this had helped many Yoruba people to be more spiritually attached to ILE IFE because oral reference to the presumed HOLY CITY, WHICH NO PRINCE MUST WAGE WAR AGAINST BUT DEFEND ILE IFE WITH THE LAST BLOOD ON THEIR VEINS . The Yoruba traditions have been the COORDINATING FACTORS in our behavioural pattern embedded in ‘ORI'.

RedboneSmith:
Mr Research, Osifekunde was captured by 'Ijoh' and sold to the Itsekiri at Bobi. Given this information, it is not hard to figure out that this happened in the Western Delta (Bight of Benin) and not the Eastern Delta (Bight of Biafra). Western Ijaws were renowned pirates and often sold their captives to the neighbouring Itsekiri. Stop adding pepper and salt to history. Stick with facts or at least (where facts aren't readily accessible) the most logical hypothesis.

Read:

(Note: Osifekunde = Osifeku-ade. He was heading from Epe to the Benin River when he was captured; and not Cameroon as you falsely claim.)

THE CONTENTION HERE IS THE CLARIFICATION OF HIM BEING A YORUBA MAN. THIS HAS PUNCTURED THE CLAIMS OF BIGFRANCIS'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE SLAVES FROM BIGHT OF BINI/ BIAFRA

Okeikpu:
It was imposed on them after the civil war

PORTUGUESE DIDN'T FIGHT ANY WAR AGAINST YORUBA PEOPLE. IT WAS THE BRITISH THAT FOUGHT AFTER THERE WAS A PROBLEM BETWEEN KOSOKO AND AKITOYE OVER THE THRONE. THAT GAVE THE BRITISH COLONIALIST TO WAGE WAR AGAINST KOSOKO BECAUSE THE YORUBA WERE ALREADY DIVIDED AMONGST THEMSELVES. NIGERIA'S HISTORY AND BRITISH EMPIRE'S HISTORY ON WEST AFRICA ARE AVAILABLE FOR RUMOUR MONGERS TO PERUSE.

Okeikpu:
Y is you pple dragging ds Lagos so much
Is it because a Yoruba man is the governor 4now

LMAOOOO... can't stop laughing...

marryjesus:
more at http://www.akelicious.com/2017/01/fuji-star-malaika-daughter-graduated.html#more

Beautiful to behold.

bigfrancis21:
Look at this way: 15 people left your house destined for Lagos. From your own end all you know is that 15 people left your house. On their way to Lagos, 4 diverted to Ogun and 11 arrived Lagos. Few weeks later 2 people returned to your house from Ogun and 3 people returned from Lagos. The actual number that arrived and settled in Lagos being the 11 that actually got to Lagos minus 3 that returned = 8, never minding that 15 people originally left your house for Lagos. From this example, the 15 who left your house could be likened to the estimated exports from Yoruba land, those 4 who branched to Ogun could be likened to the saros and the 3 out of 11 who actually arrived Lagos could be likened to the Agudas.

Similarly, an estimated number of 437,700 left Yoruba land, of which some were intercepted and dropped off at SL (they didn't make it to Brazil, Cuba etc.) and some returned to Lagos, and out of the majority that did arrive Brazil, Cuba etc. a small number returned back to Yoruba land. In other words, not all the 437,700 who left Yoruba land actually made it to Brazil, Cuba etc.

As for tribes, I am pretty sure the British pretty much knew the difference between Fon, Igbo, Akan, Ewe, Yoruba etc. and described everyone as such. Europeans were very good at keeping records, and pick up any European books written even in the 15th century, the accuracy still stands till today.

Many years ago, many Yorubas would claim Binis/Edos to have come from them but in recent times such claims are no more since the Bini King asserted his independence from the Yoruba nation.

I BEG TO DISAGREE, FON,language came into being because of Yoruba descent of GBE-AJA that mingled with the aboriginals. THE SAME BRITISH AND FRENCH BROKE YORUBA KINGDOMS INTO PIECES BUT GOD WAS ON YORUBA SIDE THAT PEOPLE STILL SUSTAIN THE LANGUAGE .GO TO PARAKOU IN THE NORTHERN PART OF BÉNIN REPUBLIC AND ASKED THEM WHERE THEY CAME FROM? YORUBA OF SOUTH WESTERN NIGERIA HAVE NEVER FOUGHT TO FORCE OTHER YORUBA GROUPS TO BE PART OF THEM BUT NATURALLY BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER. THE BRITISH WERE NEVER SURE OF WHOM ARE YORUBA DESCENDANTS BECAUSE THEY WERE SHOCKED TO HAVE HEARD AND SEEN THE DEPTH OF YORUBA KINGDOMS ORGANISATIONS AND ITS LARGENESS. I HAVE BEEN TO SOME OF THESE PLACES AND INTERACTED WITH THE LOCALS AND THEIR ANCESTRAL LINEAGE IN BÉNIN REPUBLIC STILL POINT TO ILE IFE and not Bini. THE GREATEST BLUNDER THE BRITISH DID WAS TO ALMOST SCATTERED THE PROPER MONARCHIAL SYSTEM TO SUIT THEIR DESIRE. I TELL YOU THAT YORUBA REMAIN THE ENVY OF THE BRITISH IMPERIALIST BECAUSE WE WERE A PAIN IN THEIR BUTT. AND YOU BLUNDERED ON BÉNIN EMPIRE BECAUSE IT NEVER HAD AN EMPIRE BUT A SMALL KINGDOM WHICH WAS RESTRICTED TO ABOMEY ,OUIDAH UNDER GEEZO WAS THEIR HIGHEST REIGN WHEN HE ATTACKED SUBURB YORUBA COUNTRY HOME FAMILIES WHO WERE PEASANT FARMERS. YORUBA DID NOT NATURALLY INVADED DAHOMEY KINGDOM BUT BECAUSE OF THE AJA PEOPLE WHO ARE OF KETU DESCENDANTS AND WHEN SEEK HELP FROM OYO EMPIRE WHEN ASHANTE KINGDOM TERRORISE THEM UNTIL OYO EMPIRE CAME TO THEIR RESCUE AND FOUGHT THE LARGE ARMY OF ASHANTE AND WAS DEFEATED BY OYO EMPIRE WHICH MADE DAHOMEY TO ACCEPT TO BE PAYING TRIBUTE TO OYO EMPIRE AND WHICH THEY DID. SO GET THIS PART RIGHT AND WHEN THE REVOLT HAPPENED, IT WAS BECAUSE OYO EMPIRE HAD COLLAPSED.

bigfrancis21:
@bold...that is false. I said it repeatedly that saros and agudas returned to Yoruba land.

Moreover, what I have posted on this thread are facts from published research, not fantasy make up. You may not take the information lightly as it goes against pre-conceived notions but they are what they are.

The underlying point to this thread is, Yoruba culture is influential in the new world due to their late arrival in the new world in the 18th century, however in terms of numbers, half a million realistically were exported and not all Ifa practitioners are necessarily of lukumi descent.

error on the part of the saros, yes saros didn't come From Americas, do they? do know there were rivalry between them? do you know why? The published books is inaccurate because Yoruba are more than the name ascribed to US .There are so many Yoruba stocks that came from ILE IFE and weren't addressed as Yoruba during the SLAVE TRADE ERA. BUT modernization has made them all accept that name because they are the same stock. Now, I want you to ANSWER ME, WHY IS THAT THERE ISN'T A PROOF THAT IBOS WHOM YOU CLAIMED IN DIASPORA DONT COME IN DROVES TO EASTERN NIGERIA?

bigfrancis21:
@bold...that is false. I said it repeatedly that saros and agudas returned to Yoruba land.

Moreover, what I have posted on this thread are facts from published research, not fantasy make up. You may not take the information lightly as it goes against pre-conceived notions but they are what they are.

The underlying point to this thread is, Yoruba culture is influential in the new world due to their late arrival in the new world in the 18th century, however in terms of numbers, half a million realistically were exported and not all Ifa practitioners are necessarily of lukumi descent.

error on the part of the saros, yes saros didn't come From Americas, do they? do know there were rivalry between them? do you know why? The published books is inaccurate because Yoruba are more than the name ascribed to US .There are so many Yoruba stocks that came from ILE IFE and weren't addressed as Yoruba during the SLAVE TRADE ERA. BUT modernization has made them all accept that name because they are the same stock. Now, I want you to ANSWER ME, WHY IS THAT THERE ISN'T A PROOF THAT IBOS WHOM YOU CLAIMED IN DIASPORA DONT COME TO EASTERN NIGERIA?

bigfrancis21:
Here's what I could find:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_people

AJA PEOPLE MIGRATED FROM ILE IFE. THEY ARE YORUBA STOCK THAT MIGRATED TO THE PRESENT DAY BÉNIN REPUBLIC AND KINDLY DO YOUR FINDINGS VERY WELL . THEY CREATED THE MONARCHIAL SYSTEM IN ABOMEY, PRECISELY THE DAHOMEY KINGDOM ALONG WITH LOCAL ABORIGINES. THE PROOF IS THAT YORUBA LANGUAGE'S DIALECT IS THE AJA LANGUAGE AND FUSED IT WITH THE ABORIGINES THAT BECAME FON LANGUAGE, WHILE THE AJA PEOPLE PROPER SPEAKS PURE YORUBA DIALECT. THEY ARE TRILINGUAL. THIS IS A FACT.