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Beaf:
I like the way you say "most"; so you agree that some at least, make the deliberate choice to go against the grain? All good.

"Medicine has also proven" that most criminals are born with a predilection for crime. Should we stop jailing criminals?
Buy this book http://www.amazon.com/Born-Crime-Criminal-Contributions-Criminology/dp/0313241724

How will you equate homosexuals with criminals?

Most nigerian men love football to pieces. It's in our genes. Should we then criminalise the few nigerian who dont like football because they made a choice to go against the grain?

Can you see how silly analogies work?

philip0906:
ok kobo. . .lets stop all these analysis. . .If our forefathers were gay(all of a sudden just d way it is now),would we all be here 2day?their bones would have rot and there will be no continuity,abi how u c am?

"gayness" existed before our forefathers. It is not a sudden thing. One second you cite soddom, the next second you say it is sudden, the west suddenly dashed us so that they give all of us aids.

make up your mind.

Sadly, most articles I've read trace the origins of the virus to west africa - oftentimes cameroon is mentioned. Read the link that Bluetooth posted that you so eagerly championed a few comments back. Keep reading beyond just the first paragraph and adequately digest the article with some thought and reasoning.

If you will stop with the emotional arguments, you might just be able to see some light at the end of your personal tunnel.

^^^ If they didn't grant him asylum, you lot would have killed his arse.

You curse out the western govts but then expect the same western govts to come save your people with effective drugs, then curse them out again.

Meanwhile your people have absolutely no culpability in what's wrong in your lands. Oh noooo - it's all the evil west's fault!

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=495020.msg6560553#msg6560553 date=1281612355]being yoruba or ibo has nothing to do with being gay afterall the guy in question is a yoruba but my opposition did not really attack him but the evil act itself.i may chose to play a tribal one on any matter but not a case of homosexuality.gays are more evil than anything[/quote]You miss my (poorly expressed) point, which was a response to Basildon1 musings about why everyone who is gay suddenly becomes a Bad man and no one is clamoring to maim errant governors or philandering priests. But the gay guy?, let's annihilate him.

Basildon1:
Now why would you use a blanket statement to make an irrelevant point. Is that for the sake of argument or what?Is this about conversion or TOLERANCE. I cant understand the link between you so called "WESTERNIZED" = "HOMOSEXUALITY"

The point is of all the ills in the nigerian society - why the hell is everyone a BADMAN when it comes to gays,seriously. I dont hear anyone saying that IF I HEAR ONE PASTOR ASKING FOR DONATION FOR A NEW CAR-I will go and kill him, or if the new governor does not repair my street within a year- I will maim him.

@Basildon - the thing is the gays are the common enemy. It doesn't really matter how bad things are going for the common man on the street. The gay people are the one unifying factor against whom everyone in the country can agree and express common outrage

Look no further than this NL sef - all the people that normally fight eachother, igbo dis, yoruba dat, christian dis, moslem dat, when it came to the issue of gays, they all started loving each other in order to kill the gays.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=495020.msg6560401#msg6560401 date=1281610907]http://www.avert.org/origin-aids-hiv.htm[/quote]Thank you for the link sir. I appreciate.

However, did you read the article? - it is full of theories of how the virus crossed from animals to humans.

Furthermore, I point you specifically to the Conclusions section:

It is likely that we will never know who the first person was to be infected with HIV, or exactly how it spread from that initial person. Scientists investigating the possibilities often become very attached to their individual 'pet' theories and insist that theirs is the only true answer, but the spread of AIDS could quite conceivably have been induced by a combination of many different events. Whether through injections, travel, wars, colonial practices or genetic engineering, the realities of the 20th century have undoubtedly had a major role to play.

The truth is apart from the fact that it started from some chimps in africa, no one really knows.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=495020.msg6560297#msg6560297 date=1281609749]lwkmd. . .what is normal in homosexuality ? So you mean God was wrong to have created Eve as a companion to Adam. . .two Adams would have been the right thing if i understand your point better.fyi,there are reports that HIV/AiDS started through homosexual and i've heard about guys using pad when surgeries could no longer sustain their azzz.Animals are even more rightly-minded on this issue than gay humans[/quote]HIV/Aids did not start through homosexuals. Please stop it

16 pages and still counting. This gay issue must really be burning some people in the skull o.

Leave gay people alone!

But LEADERSHIP gathered that the presidential ambition of Ribadu had pitted him against his closest friend, Mallam Nasir el-Rufai. Sources close to the duo said that the former minister of the Federal Capital Territory has severally warned Ribadu not to team up with the AC in trying to[b] destroy [/b]another common friend, President Goodluck Jonathan.

Why should wanting to contest an election be tantamount to "destroying" someone? - Therein lies the problem with our democracy

Bro I feel your pain. Been there, got the tshirt as they say.

Now let's call a spade a shovel, there is NOTHING you can do to get her back. Atleast not right now. Like you said, she has already made up her mind to leave you. Nothing you say or do will make any difference. I don't know your personal situation but my guess is you have probably said all you can, talked yourself to oblivion to win her back. Bro, she is not listening.

Bruv, you may get her back but it won't be right now. She has reached the point where she has to go out there and see what is outside. Perhaps get badly hurt by this new guy and one or two other ones and only then if you still love her like you say you do will you get her back. It may be too late sha and like I said depends on the strength of this your love. Ofcourse this is not a surefire way of getting her back because she may very well end up being happy with this new banker fellow.

In essence what I'm saying is don't sit waiting for her to come back or trying to win her back. Move on with your life, continue developing your self. make new friends, date other people, etc. I hear these stories about women leaving people for bankers so much. I don't know o but do these women think the guys own the banks that they work in? Such short-term minded people. People who worked in banks this time last year, huge numbers of them are jobless now. No condition is permanent o - but that's another talk for another day.

Moce on, live life, be happy! - if she is yours you will find her in dispair later on in life and you'd then be able to show her what true love really is about. If she's not yours then be assured that you would meet someone else who would deserve and appreciate the kind of love you have to offer.

May the forces be with you

But what really is the problem with going to learn from someone who is different? Someone mentioned that we have good speakers in nigeria and all kinds of names have been dropped here (soyinka, durotoye, etc etc etc). Yes that may be very true. No one is saying they can't learn anything from these guys. They are all brilliant in all they do but you guys are setting up false alternatives. Why can't they do both? - Why can't they learn from durotoye and then still learn from people that are different? Different speakers have different experiences and styles and they all bring these to bear during their presentations.

Which reminds me, just a forthnight ago, I attended a 1 hour lecture on this same leadership and the main speaker was a man called John Peters (google it); for anyone here old enough to remember the first gulf war, he was an RAF fighter pilot who was shot down by the iraqis during that war, wsa tortured and paraded on tv. Now his entire presentation was on leadership but he shared a lot of his experiences during that war and it was really moving and I have to say it was a real privileged hearing him speak. I had thought before I went that what do these people want to tell us again about leadership? I went in with so much doubt and all but by the end of it I was converted. It was that good. So I ask again, what is the fear in allowing our children to learn from people that are different? - I have listened to durotoye and I will admit that he does have something to say and I have left his talks feeling inspired too. Why can't kids learn from all of them?

I suppose we (those who just oppose going abroad) could argue that why don't we fly in these different speakers from elsewhere and bring them to Lagos and have the seminar there. Firstly, that still denies the kids the opportunity to travel and 'experience' something different. Secondly, if they did that there are people here that will still complain about why are they bringing foreigners? - why are they using white people? - People have been reduced to making such emotional arguments in the absence of any real substance.

Someone on this forum actually said something along the lines of if he had a family business and wanted to train his child to take over the business, will he send the child to learn from someone else's business? that isn't that like admitted there is nothing to learn in his own company? -- There are so many ways to take down that argument that I'm not really sure where to start. Suffice it to say that people in such situations gladly do both. They DO send their kids to outside firms to learn how things are done in outside places and THEN bring them back to the firm to which they are the heirs to learn the ropes in preparation of them taking over. These things are not mutually exclusive and people develop and grow better for the experience. This navel gazing and incestous way of thinking has to stop. Diversity is not a bad thing!

Now as to the fact that it is public money. I don't see too many things better to spend public funds on than on giving poor disadvantages but smart children a chance in life. We have been plagued so much with bad leadership that we have become cynical to anything good. This is public fund and as long as it isn't ending up in Fashola's personal pocket (and I'm not arguing that it isn't), but as long as it is being put to good use for something that would ultimately benefit the state in the long term, then I think it makes sense. And it's not the same money they use to collect garbage (someone actually said the money should be used to collect garbage instead - *sigh*). They have budgetary allocations for these things and these monies have most likely been approved already and allocated.

There is nothing wrong with learning from south africans, egyptians, ghanaians, americans, italians, hell aliens even. It doesn't make us weaker; rather stronger and our kids are the better for it.

debosky:
What would be interesting is for Ola himself to record his voice saying 'Yes we can', play it backwards and see if he's also saying Thank You Satan.

That would be an interesting experiment.

As for the whole 'reverse' speech thing, I don't buy it. We've heard different stories about playing tapes in reverse and hearing other things and I find it dubious.


As far as I'm concerned, this is on the same level as seeing the face of Jesus on a biscuit or seeing elephants in the clouds. I doubt it's reliability and it has not received scientific approval by linguistics experts, so with due respect noetic16, this isn't 'researched reality'.

I do have a question for Ola though - you and the author (by emphasising on Hussein) have claimed Obama is a Muslim. Can you clarify whether he is a Muslim or a Satan worshipper or both?

Thanks.

Ahh Mr Debosky - You dont understand how these people think. Thats an easy one,

He will tell you that they are the same - that muslims are satan worshippers. And he will say it with a straight face without any sense of irony.

Their hypocrisy and lack of understanding is outstanding!

^^^ You will know you have had a caring woman after you've lost her

"Doc, note: I dissent! A fast never prevents a fatness. I diet on cod."

All these fake gangsters on NL

osundu:
what is wrong with marrying a female soldier?u baggas will open your gutter and be talking.my friend!! i hate civilians opening their gutters and  talking about  the military on what they do not know.who told u bastards dat u can even see a female soldier not to talk of marrying her?she is a human being and u guys are stones.dont u know that de worst sin in dis world is to be a civilian?

You are a very angry human being

George Weah. Abedi was good too, but methinks gorgeous george was better all round. Plus, he single handedly bankrolled his country for years and years

madlady:
To the replies
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@Poster I could not date my Ex's friend, it would make him (my ex) feel like crap.

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

@OP - Joblessness is a sin o

^^^^ Hahahahahaha

candylips:
why south africa

What's wrong with SA ? or rather why not SA ?

Nooooooooooooooooo - except you're a soldier yourself.

You want to try the amount of panshing that goes on in the military?

I GUARANTEE you that some other officer soldier would be panshing your wife. No doubt.

I see nothing wrong in sending these kids to SA for the training. Positive international experience is absolutely a good thing and needs to be encouraged.

To those asking if this is at the state's expense or the kid's private expense? - It is probably the state paying for ALL of it and there is nothing wrong with that too. I've been to a number of international seminars fully paid for by public funds and I would like to think it has added to my overall development as a human being.

Spending public funds on public school kids (probably from poor and underprivileged homes but also talented and with tremendous potential) is never never never a bad thing. This year a bunch goes to SA, the following year another group goes to Egypt, another year maybe Kenya. It's great bonding and team building experience for the kids. In addition to learning about other foreign cultures.

Leadership skills are deeply lacking these days and  if we can help our kids get ahead in life, then by all means. There is a reason top global firms these days all sing about leadership. Spend 30 minutes in the hallowed halls of Goldman Sachs and all you will hear about is leadership, leadership, leadership. Looking for young kids 18, 19 years old who they call mould into future leaders.

I once heard that some states in the SS area used to send bright citizens on full scholarships to university abroad. It's all part of the same thing. Those are good measures. Those those moaning about the cost, I remind you of the old saying "if you think education is expensive, then try ignorance". There are a lot of Iranians, Pakistanis, Slovenians, etc etc all attending top schools in england and the US on public funds. They understand something we don't. It's never a waste to be enlightened.

20-30 years down the line, one or two of these kids becomes very in private practice - lawyers, bankers, doctors, whatever - They understand they've been fortunate and blessed and decide to sponsor 3, 4, 5 poor kids on some similar learning experience or they donate to huge research initiatives in Nigeria as a way of "giving back". Who knows what can happen. Please let's stop being so myopic!

For the record, I am neither lagosian, neither do I work for lagos state.

Omolola1:
how many times would this topic be repeated?

God bless you. May you live long and never lack anything good in your life.

@Pinkriver - You must come back and update us again in 4-6 months time. You can't just start something this interesting and then vanish o.

Wish you well.

prodam:
General Ibrahim Babangida who will know has done things disastrous to the future of our country, admitted
But with that i am not convinced that the Expert is not proficient for the position.
with the following i buttress my advocacy
1. Not every change is positive, the fact that we are not going back to old techniques or not retaining the current 1-party leadership does not mean we are going to have a positive change cos not every movement is forward<<?> backward is another option
2. He has been in the system and has seen all cares of the administration and can create a special lafogy for the successful completion of the next regime
3. what he was accused of are under an umbrella- the then inauspicious military regime
4. IBB is a bold man that took many fallowing steps like, <irrelevant as at now>
I stand to be criticized reasonably,
Thank you

I'm unable to criticize as I didn't understand anything you wrote

You're right. Sometimes having too much 'choice' can be bad. People always looking to see if something better will show up round the corner and as soon as some half decent guy or girl shows up, suddenly people start things like "i'm confused", "i just don't know if i love him/her anymore".

Little issues that they would normally work through together suddenly become breakup issues. People need to get back to being content.

So many "walking woundeds" around the whole place. Everyone carrying major scars. Gotta stop

Eduba:
Like it or not this men are grammarians and they are doing what they know how to do best. Those who don't speak grammer what difference have they make.obahiagbon said and i quote "the microspic few who have piloted the affair of this nation live peasant luxury"tell me what is so difficult to understand. we should be rational and logic in our sense of reasoning so as to give sound judgement.THIS MEN ARE TRYING TO SEND FORTH AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A GOOD DEMOCRATIC STATE SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHERE EVERYWHERE IS EQUAL B4 THE LAW.

My broda, you better don't allow poverty to stop you from getting a good education and stop praising mediocrity.

Speaking big disjointed english is how to show a good democratic state?

Pastor AIO:
What's wrong with being a free-thinker? Are you an enslaved thinker? Enslaved to idiocy, mendacity, and salacious pedantry.

O ga o. Ko to yen naw