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DRANOEL:
@one naira or what ever it is you call yourself

i still ask you for specific dates and links to where igbos were attacked prior to jan 1966!
EDUCATED ILLITRATE!

SMH. Dude, Go back to school

Jos killing of 1945 and Kano Massacre of 1953.  Mentioned by Relax101 like twice already on this thread, SMH  google.

Tell us something we do not know already

The wine carrying I think is my favorite part in an Igbo wedding
https://bedazzledphotography.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pearl11.jpg

I find this creative, a pinata mmuo was used at this wedding

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^^^ the group and the bride getting blessed by her father
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In other words

Boko Haram is going to bomb more churches, kill more people because he lost.

CyberG

^^^^^The concept of genocide is subjective, it depends whom you ask.  There are some Germany's whom till this day refuses to classify Holocaust as a genocide FACT similar to how there are some North Sudanese whom till this day refuses to classify the Darfur War as genocide FACT, the same way there are some Tutsis whom still refuses to classify the Rwanda War as Genocide FACT. The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights definition of Genocide states genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. better yet translated as Genocide is violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group thus in my opinion the Biafran War and Asaba Massacre falls under this definition just like all the examples you listed despite it not being labeled as genocide by some.

As my opinion for your book, I've already mentioned where I stand with it.  I disagree with it but I can never pertain it as The TRUTH as you've mentioned multiple times but rather a biased opinion that opposes my biased opinion and supports your biased opinion, it's accuracy is unknown by anyone including you.  Similar to how I pertain all the articles and books that disagrees with your book but supports my point as a biased opinion that supports my biased opinion but opposes your biased opinion, similar to your book, there accuracy is unknown thus neither can be labeled as Truth or False.

Oluchi007:
At the risk of sounding ridiculous, I think Nigeria worked better in the 'Things fall apart' type setting; where each clan had its own rules and regulations. We are too many and too different to be lumped together. E.g. if Nigeria was to split along the line of ethnicities, there would still be the problem of marginalisation.

While the Igbos, for instance, might speak one language, there are so many dialects & differences. So you will still have the Anambra man looking down on the Enugu man, and the Enugu man looking down on the Nsukka man. The list goes on and on.

Oluchi but the things fall apart setting is not working when a mere Nigerian cannot live in another area of Nigeria apart from his hometown without fear of persecution from the indigenous of his new area. Tribalism still ranges all over Nigeria where one would hire someone from the same tribe rather than someone of  a different tribe whom might be better qualified. An Igbo man from Anambra might look down on another Igbo man from Enugu but the anambra man will still work with the Enugu man to achieve something of greater extent rather than trying to hold eachother other down or try to belittle eachother's achievement all because of hatred for eachother as we see in Nigeria today.  Nigeria would be better split, a more harmonized area with little discomfort is better than a completely discomfort area.  Overall the country is holding all its indigenous potential down,  I've said this before and i'll say it again imagine where Ogoni's would be today if not for Nigeria?  then imagine the bini's, the Nri's and Onitsha, the Aro's, etc.

CyberG:
My previous post to Nchara applies. In case you are not aware, a lot of Igbos do not necessarily share your viewpoints and that's okay but no need to think that they are after you or some tribal BS. See my first post here and see I was basically asking a question which brought about a debate. I only ask that you acquit yourself as a real man with intellectual capacity and respond without going down into the gutter to turn to insult, abuse and tribalism.

Did I insult you? Did I in anyway argue or attacked you on this thread? If you want to test what a real man is then reread my advise to you.

I don't care much about the reparation. All I want is Igbo to split from Nigeria Shikena.

Onlytruth:
@CyberG

The book you are citing is so narcissistic and almost laughable in its lame attempt to justify genocide by the Nigerians during the war.  The premise of the book is that because genocides happened elsewhere in the world, and was not so classified, it shouldn't be so classified in Africa. Ndigbo say that you do not tell a deaf man that a war has started. It is self evident. Therefore we don't need anybody to tell us what happened.
The book essentially says that ALL IS FAIR IN WAR; but then I wonder of what use is the Geneva Conventions of war. Fortunately there are also other books saying the opposite.

In one funny and lame attempt to justify the Asaba genocide, your author ( a very biased revisionist) states that the action of "one Biafran" by shooting a Nigerian officer, justified the execution of over 700 men and boys. 

Look, as far as I'm concerned, everybody is entitled to believe whatever they want.
I support this type of thread because it would help Ndigbo to keep focus. We forget too quickly.

Exactly What I told him.  He found a book that support his bias thus in his opinion, makes it accurate yet there are articles and other books which opposes his book thus in his opinion since it does not support his bias, that makes those articles and books a lie.  Relax101, posted videos of civilians discussing the war but CyberG labeled as yet another propaganda;  If civilians whom experienced the war are now liars in his opinion then it not something to be taking seriously.  Opinion is an opinion, he's entitled to his.

I support this type of thread because it would help Ndigbo to keep focus. We forget too quickly.

I agree with this, soon enough the survivors of the war would die from old age hopefully but their stories will always live on through this articles and interview.  I love reading the articles and hearing other survivors stories apart from my father's whom experienced the Asaba genocide and lost his father in the progress.

CyberG:
You can order from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Brothers-War-Biafra-Nigeria/dp/0395139341. Used copies sell for $5 while new copies sell for $166. You might also check on e-bay or Google for any other deals. However, if you live outside Nigeria and in places where there are lots of opportunities to access good libraries, you can borrow from the library. This book will put you in a very good position of knowledge to grasp the length and breadth from a more neutral position than some other books. Thereafter, you can expand your knowledge base as you read from other authors.

One thing that is clear is most tribalistic people from the SE cannot debate this issue with any objectivity hence they will attack you and call you names. When you read the stories and they are well cross referenced from several sources, you will know exactly the whats, whys, how, when, etc! The tribalists don't like you to know these things as they would rather we take their one-sided stories told by people who only saw what happened to and around them than people who traveled entirely across Nigeria and outside investigating, researching and reporting facts of the case. If anyone wants to know more of recorded accounts of this allegations of genocide, I will post recorded details made in later chapters. The fact is the killings were despicable BUT if you fight a man who has a gun to your head and has many of his friends ready to take you down, you best knock them all out in one blow otherwise, what kind of pity would you deserve when they take their revenge?

All of you guys have one sided story.  Yours is not more accurate than his because neither one of you experienced the war. He learned his story from videos about the war and stories from veterans as he posted up there, you learned your story from a book supposedly written by some who traveled around during Biafra as you posted up there.  Both stories contradict eachother, just because yours support your bias does not make it more accurate and just because his support his bias does not make it more accurate. the only people that can attain to its accuracy are civilians who experienced the war and veterans.  Ah, NL annoy me with this biased attitude.

Nchara:
Cyberg (and others):

Just wondering what your concern is with this thread?
You are not MASSOB
You are not Igbo
What is your problem here, if I may ask?

You are just finding this out today? Open a thread and I mean any thread and just mention the word Igbo, watch as some Yoruba will bring Biafra, Lagos, Black scorpion, etc that thread in less than a day. I don't pay them mind anymore, I don't get why some Igbo still do.

Lasinoh:
This is highly unfortunate. You Igbos will never learn. Tomorrow you will shout to the world 'pogrom this-pogrom that'! You have ample time to MOVE to your own states of origin. But you will not. Do you forbid to stay in your own Eastern Nigeria?

In the current climate of things in Nigeria. . . only a fool will attend any church in the Northern parts of Nigeria. A man has lost not one. . . but FOUR daughters in one sitting. DO YOU EVER LEARN? WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR FACINATION WITH THE NORTH? DEM TAKE AM SWEAR FOR UNA? You don't want One Nigeria. . .but you will not sit in your own states.

I used to be like you. I could never understand why some Igbo wouldn't just leave the North until recently.  I have a cousin that lives up North in Niger state. I've drilled his mother everyday wondering why that 1diot  is still up there but each time her replies remained solely on, job no dey o! I did not understand what she meant by that thus one day, I took up the courage to ask him rather than his mom as our conversation transcribed I learned he was stuck up there for now.  He was transferred up there by his employer about 7 years ago, every week he asked for a transfer for the past 3 years and all he's transfer request is ignored. He's wants to quit but unsure if another job will surface in this Nigeria in less than a month. He can't start a business in the east or any other area in Nigeria causes money no dey. He's the bread giver in his family, his father is dead, mother is very sick and little brother in youth service in yobe thus being out of a job more than a month will damage them.  His mother's medicinal bills is unimaginable even my family have to help them pay for most of it.  O'boy is terrified of his life begging and hoping his employers would take heart and send him back to Enugu where they found him, according to him, most of the workers in his job are SE, SS or SW and they are all in the same predicament except women.  The women just give one crocodile tear and they transferred to any place of their choice.  The traders living and dying have themselves to blame, it easier for them to relocate but people like him, they have nowhere to turn to.  Him come tell me, two of his coworkers left about a year ago, one moved to Lagos and the other stayed in Abuja and till this day, both are jobless.  SMH.  Nigeria, I pity that country, I pity it.

mikeansy:
Don't some of you guy find it shameful that a Nigerian can not live freely whereever he likes in your so called one Nigeria.

Tomorrow if folks say lets have a split you can them trouble makers

Now some of you seem to suggest that this man has done something wrong to live in the North.

I will like to see Southerners in the North relocate down South. But for a Northerner to make the same point is simply shameless!!! some of you simply have no shame.

it is a shame. I don't why we call ourselves Nigeria or believe we are one? Nigeria was a bad decision since day one.

It is a pity. Well I pity that man.

Jarus:
Too bad a well-intended thread turned into tribal by supposedly educated folks.

Thread temporarily locked to douse frayed nerves .

temporarily lock should have been for a month at least

freecocoa:
Boring,*YAWNNNNNNNNN* don't you have any other thing to say? Jeez,


Look who's talking,remind me what the issue on ground is please,you've all been insulting me up and down and I reply each post in accordance,you don't expect to call me a ho and have me talk about the past elections,I don't misconstrue issues dear,I take them as they come.

Ada hapu ha.  I've told you to leave them be. you've done alot of damages today. The only reason they won't let you go is because you are a woman single handily winning a battle over men.  You've done well, drop your cutlass and ammo; no matter how much they try to spin it, we all know the truth, we see the truth, they see the truth too  and anyone with an eye can see it very well but we know how they do.

Deep Sight:
@ Negro Ntns - You may wish to consider the fact that central trading cities such as Lagos, Kano and Kaduna are not mono-cultural in nature. It would be simplistic, i think, to suggest that an Igbo bussinessman comes to any of these centres to feed off a trading atmosphere created only by the people indigenous to such commercial hubs.

If anything, the very defining characteristic of such cities is the fact that they are a melting pot of variuous peoples and cultures - and this is teh very factor that draws enterprise to such centres. Thus, to put it simply, the Igbo man does not come to Lagos to trade because he is looking for hospitable Yoruba men to sell his wares to: he is rather looking for a market of over 18 million people that consists of people from all over Nigeria - Igbos inclusive.

Further, it is rather obvious, that there are many factors - a great deal of them federal in nature - as to why the central commercial cities became commercial hubs in the first place. The role of Lagos as capital of Nigeria for three-quarters of a century, for example, cannot be over-looked. Ditto, its aquatic location.

But there is no need to quibble on such little matters. Every nation has its principal commercial centres and markets and these centres would naturally attract enterprise from all over the said nation or even region. It's really as simple as that: and forms no reason to punctuate the praise due to our Igbo brothers for their widely acknowledged industry.

GBAM GBAM GBAM!!!!!! He won't listen though

~Bluetooth:
She was only being emotional,all her rantings so far are yet to address any of the issues on ground.Does this place looks like romance section where they talk about emotions ?

Judging from all her replies and all the replies una gave her.  Her post are on point and she addressed it the exact same way you gave it back to her though a little bit worse.  

kingoflag:
Who are "Your Brothers"?!?!

DUDE, CAN YOU GET IT IN YOUR FUX*CKING HEAD:  I DO NOT PLAY THE TRIBAL SHI*T! I reserve the right to do that for the savages!

Go through my posts, SHOW ME ONE INCIDENT, JUST ONE, WHERE I DENIGRATED ANYONE JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE FROM, RACE, SE>X, OR LANGUAGE!!!!

Most of ya'll are just ill-bred and badly brought up is all; small minds inside huge heads. Its a shame you lot are so close minded.

Seriously read the post you wrote that I replied to that's one.  YOU ARE A FUCKING TRABILIST JUST LIKE ALL THOSE ATTACKING HER, YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT  why is that you people claim to be neutral even when it is so obvious you are not.  Denial is not good.  

Most of ya'll are just ill-bred and badly brought up is all; small minds inside huge heads. Its a shame you lot are so close minded

You really shouldn't tell your life stories to others.  What is my problem if you are ill-bred and badly brought up?  what is my problem if you are close-minded or hypocritical?

ak47mann:
freecocoa

the iron lady,  we  can see how you demolish [b]ofemmanus [/b]in the house,they keep coming back,and still get it,what a blow

The girl is strong no denying that.  A female Ikemba

kingoflag:
Nope! What I said was she's being egged on by the same type of dudes (judging by their antecedents on this forum)  that'll devour her and put it on video if they felt they had a chance to get away with it.

I'm pretty sure you read about the ABSU incident.

You people are such hypo critics.  She's been attacked for saying one innocent thing and but yet una accusing her of bigotry and ignoring your brothers but yet this own post reeks of bigotry? Typical  She's no different from Theifofheart or others, she's a little bit better because this is her first time using tribalism in any of her posts on NL unlike well we know who.

Ugwumba:
My generation might have fought a war, from this much younger generation, stupidity seems to reign.

Now understand why your degrees (for the ones who have managed) count for nothing.


You cannot have a sensible discourse without all the tribal nonsense.

The Yoruba are provoking the Igbo shikena. We do not handle it well including this thread but if you stay on Nairaland long enough, trust me this your understand and concept will change completely. You'll try to battle them as nicely as you can but they'll keep provoking until you explode then you'll see them b1tch and moan for it.

EkoIle:
Is it a secrete that ibo people kidnap themselves for money?

This is a fact, not tribalism.

Would you like me to flood this thread with factual stories? I'm sure you don't
want that.

Now, please tell us how stating facts =insults

Provoked now.  I'm going to do what started this argument in the first place

Is it a secret Yoruba use themselves for Juju?
Is it a secret that Yoruba are cowards?
Is it a secret that Yoruba are 419ers?
Is it a secret that Yoruba r@pe their daughter?
Is it a secret that Yoruba are the most wanted Nigerians by EFCC and European and American nation?
Is it a secret that Yoruba are kidnapping Igbo in Lagos?
Is it a secret that Yoruba are attacked in the north?
Is it a secret that North muslims do not view Yoruba muslim as actual muslim?
and so on and so forth

This is facts, no be insult.

Eko Ile:
I'm still waiting for you to show us how stating facts = Insult.


Do that or just remain the pathetic and dishonest liar that you are.


This idio.t is here attacking other people, but he's blind to the lunacy created by his own people. If that is not tribalism, I wonder what it is.


Lair Liar your pata is on fire,

Lets use your assertions I'm still waiting on how freecocoa and Nchara stating facts=insults? prove that and I'll prove yours.  Don't even get me stated on all the evilness done in SW. We've seen articles upon articles on many disgusting and evil things Yoruba do, the difference between Igbo and Yoruba is the fact we do not generalize and claim it as fact. That is a FACT.

I'm attacking you because YOU are the culprit of it all but using others to shield yourself.

Eko Ile:
See how you cluelessly exposed your own stupidity and dishonesty?

Stop dodging around like a coward

Is stating facts = Insults?


I asked you to tell us if stating Facts = Insult



I just wonder why it's difficult for you to do that.

Well going by that bleeped up logic what is your wahalla with freecocoa?  What she said is a fact thus why una see it as an insult? what nchara wrote was fact, what is your problem with him.  It goes both ways my friend.  You insult and claim as fact, they insult and can claim is fact too shikena.

Eko Ile:
Thanks for posting your rubbish. Now please highlight the insult.

Is it a secrete that ibo people kidnap themselves for money?

This is a fact, not tribalism.

Would you like me to flood this thread with factual stories? I'm sure you don't
want that.


Now, please tell us how stating facts =insults


I'm waiting


Again, you are a freeking dishonest lair, you are even too incompetent to justify your of dishonesty.

Was I even talking to the freecocoa clown that desecrated the thread with his insane rage?

Shame on your lying as/s/s/

Your stupidity and ignorance continues, the generalization aside, the Yoruba are known for unimaginable, evil things but he DID NOT MENTION ANY OF THEM, HE DID NOT INSULT THE YORUBA THUS HOW WAS YOUR POST CORRELATE WITH HIS POST.  It was not a retaliation, it was not a truth, it was nothing but bigotry FACT. You destroyed your own thread by yourself shikena and then playing the victim card despite starting the whole wahalla. FACT.  

Where did I mention you were talking to freecocoa? Did I compare your post and her post together or did i compare her post and dayo post together?

ThiefOfHearts:
Utter gibberish.

Who gives a damn on who started the thread(you have no proof the person isnt igbo btw), Im referring to your brothers that RESPONDED INSIDE the thread with stereotypical garbage? where were you then? I make my own comments that's when you decide to come out from no where to yarn dust at me.

Go play those games with someone else. You cant derail me with incoherent gibberish

I gave you proof on there did I not? Men,  typical Yoruba behavior no surprise.

Eko Ile:
lmao


This clown is pushing tribalism on other people, but you posts in this thread is nothing but the same tribalism.

Do you even read the absurd rubbish you post.

You see what other people posted, but you are blind to what your own people posted? How else do you define tribalism,

Why are you people so full of lies and dishonesty?

lmao



what a joker you are.

This coming from you is more comical than something to actually reply to.  It ain't worth it.  Eko Ile you've be nominated the tribalism title how many times now? by how many people now? This does not even deserve a reply

ThiefOfHearts:
If anyone is blind it's you

Was this not posted before Dayo's second comment?

No wonder yall compare yourselves to Jews. You both suffer from victim mentality.

You bash people yet get upset and distraught when the bashing is responded in kind.

Are you serious

Btw did you not trade words with me in that thread? GENTLEMAN

I guessed you skipped everything abi

Was this not his first post

This is about those whose zones are divided in religion. Igbo zone is not, so there is nothing to learn from the Igbos here. And yes, the Yoruba muslims are more advanced than the northern muslims. That has never been in doubt. We only hope it remains so, as sharia gradually moves SW.

The Igbo zone is 99% Christianity and we love it so. However, we have hundreds of thousands of northern/yoruba muslims living in our midst and we have not taken revenge on any despite the daily killings of our people up North. More than 50% of those killed in the North so far are Igbos.

Do me a favor point out where he mentioned fake religion, fake people or any insult to Yoruba.  

Read EKO ILE replies

You are basically indirectly affirming what the article is asserting. It means your societal, communal and religious maturity is yet to be tested and you have never responded to the same scenario simply because you don''t have the same diverse and complex mix.

Wait till you are confronted with the same 50/50 scenario and let the world see your level of maturity and communal sophistication before beating your chest over what you are yet to be confronted with.

Your own case is even worse, you don't have religion or any tribal issues dividing and troubling you, no outside interference, but you you still managed to slaughter and kidnap yourselves for money and petty greed, even your own school kids are fair game, it's called communal cannibalism, a great societal disorder.

You can cry about the North killing your people, but you yourselves have zero respect for your lives and your own community.

Nchara next post

I was in Kano in 1999/2000 during the Sagamu riots and I saw Yoruba muslims being hacked to death by northern muslims even after identifying themselves to be muslims. Fake religion, fake people.

Yet you wonder what started it all? Look at his first post and then look at Eko-ile post and then look at Nchara remaining post.  The man was neutral until provoked.  Hypocritical at the highest degree.  You are very blinded