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Some Igbo folks are regretting this war and feel that we should have thrown everyone in the east under the bus. At least we wouldn't have some peeps sniping at us ungratefully.

Edruezzi:
Personally, I don’t care what Igbos do for or against Biafra. Igbo culture is dead. In forty years it's greatest cultural export has been the crude and brain dead Nollywood home movie. Compare that with America's cultural conquest of the globe, to the extent that the death of a black American, MJ, shut down the Internet. Compare that with the American flag flying on the moon.
I guess everyone has the right to hurl dumb kids against machineguns to address political and ethnic grievances. If they’re fighting I hope to be as far from it as possible. It’s not my war. America became the envy of the world although there is no specific American ethnicity. It’s a lot of people from all over the world, and more are still going there. if the Igbo think pure ethnicity is the future they are wrong. If niggers are too dumb to make Nigeria work, because of tribalism, well, I hope you at least manage to cull your exploding population. Fight a good, bloody war so you can stop invading the Western world out of hunger. Yup, a lot of those Naija people in the West today left because they could literally not eat anymore in their country.
The Biafra cause was shitty in ’67 and still will be shitty. My only problem is bloodshed. Only people with military training truly hate war. Well, maybe 5 million of you will die (according to a RAND Corporation simulation), and since you have that magical Igbo “bouncebackability”, which Anambra didn’t seem to exhibit as I travelled through it, you’ll start the forty five year cycle of getting ready for another one. Maybe that my little cousin will get his chance to kill some Hausa niggers.
LONG LIVE BIAFRA
LONG LIVE THE IGBO PEOPLE

Do you see how you contradict and blackmail yourself all over! First, you insult and mock an entire people and their noble legacy and history, then you somersault into chanting their slogans! And still claim to be one of them! You openly mock and ridicule the death of your own uncle and expect airheads to believe that you are Igbo! That is what we Igbos call drinking palm wine with the buffalo horns that killed your father. You don't know that because you are as Igbo as Benjamin Adekunle and Murtala Muhammed.
Dude what in the world are you smoking!


So my turn to ask you, what is the solution to Igbo situation in Nigeria? Let me help name some problems:
(1) Quota system : A system that says that a northerner with less qualification must get a job before me
(2) Federal Character: Its evil twin
(3) Resource control: Stealing of other peoples resources and developing other sections of the country

I don't blame you. An Anambra man impregnated your Akata mum and ran away, suddenly every Igbo has to pay for it! 

^^^
In fact it is in Nigeria's interest that he is still alive and providing a kind of subtle leadership to Ndigbo.
A leaderless Igbo could be unpredictable.
If the whites were still leading Nigeria, they would have provided the best security to Ojukwu just like they did to Mandela in South Africa. But we Africans are funny.

mama-gee:
Ojukwu helped us a little bit
But Niger Delta would have remained the same without him.

I strongly doubt that because even current Nigerian government is not being as aggressive with MEND as they would have because of what people like him might do. Not that they expect him to fight(he is too old for that now), but he could inspire Ndigbo to join the MEND. So, a lot has not happened because he is still alive and there has not been an effective replacement for him yet. Just my thoughts.

@Katsu

I understand your feelings about Ikemba not participating in the rally, but you must think about it honestly and properly to understand that he shouldn't have participated.

Look, the Ikemba is not in the same political league as the Soyinkas and others who participated.

There are too many enemies lurking in the shadows trying to gain access to him. Even if he participated, I'd say he should be surrounded by a thick human wall of thousands. We know Nigeria well and we know how people like Chuba Okadigbo died. He was killed/poisoned in one of such rallies. That's a fact.

There are those bent on starting another war in Nigeria, and one of the quickest ways of achieving that is to harm Ojukwu. Enough said.

Sunny_bobo:
At op,

Why are you insulting Ikemba by comparing him with incestuous OBJ and kleptomaniac IBB?

Yes, I had to make the comparison because even some south south elements respect OBJ and IBB more than Ojukwu. I know there is an Olu Obasanjo way in Port Harcourt for instance.
In today's Nigeria power game, those two carry more clout (even if misguided and undeserved) than Ojukwu. He didn't have to lose so much. However, I believe he is more immortal than IBB and OBJ. He stands taller than those two ultimately. That is why his legacy must be defended by all former easterners.

I posted this because some guy was asking this question yesterday and he got me thinking. He wondered why Ojukwu didn't abandon the war at some earlier stages instead of waiting to be defeated.
I thought about it and discovered that it would have been worse for the east.
It was good that we fought to a decisive end.

As an Igbo person, I often wonder what would have happened from 1967 till today had Ojukwu simply surrendered to Gowon after Aburi Accord was breached; you know, play dead and let the sleeping dog lie. Apart from the dead victims of the war, these could have happened:

(1)  There would never have been 12 states created with the intent of weakening the East

(2)  The Igbos would be effectively emasculated (at least temporarily) in the new scheme of things

(3)  There would never have been any abandoned properties anywhere

(4)  Some Niger deltan elements won't hate Igbos based on lies told by our common oppressors after we lost the war

(5)  The north and west (the beneficiaries of the new power game) would declare open season on Niger delta oil with  Igbos powerlessly doing "siddon dey look" after the emasculation.

(6) Maybe if Igbos do well in the "siddon dey look" game, we would have even produced a president of Nigeria (albeit a weak one or puppet) by now

(7) Ojukwu would not have risked and lost his father's wealth and his personal standing in Nigeria. He'd be in the class of the Obasanjos and the Babangidas.

Something tells me that Ojukwu knew all these before he decided to fight almost bare handed.

So, why did he decide to fight anyway?

The most reasonable explanation is that the man was thinking about the interest of the whole of the eastern region and that is the only reason he chose to fight.
As a man who accurately foresaw the future of Nigeria, this man chose to fight for something higher than himself -justice and fairplay.
He fought and lost, but those he fought for must never forget why he fought. We must resist the lies!

I am proud that my hero fought in defense of the whole east including our kith and kin in Niger delta. We would do so again if necessary and as long as some elements there don't continue their line of thinking. 

For those who wonder what would have happened if Ojukwu simply rolled over for Gowon in 1967, the likely scenario is really frightening for the Niger delta. If Ojukwu had surrendered, there would never have been a 12 states (Rivers and South east states) created to divide and weaken the east.

And because Igbos would have been effectively neutralized in the emerging scenario, the north would then pounce on the Niger delta and kill off anyone who ever challenges the new order of things (like they did to Adaka Boro and are threatening to continue even today). Bottomline is that we Ndigbo won't be so hated by some of the people we fought to protect and it would be open season on Niger delta resources by the north and her allies in the west.

Today I laugh at those who chant Niger delta without remembering this history. Ndigbo fought for Niger delta and would do that again if necessary.
Like I keep saying, Ojukwu fought a noble course and lost. We Ndigbo will continue to revere him for that!

The so called hawks would never listen until too late.

Abagworo:
What ojukwu did is same as what some of my ijaw friends are trying to do.violence cannot give you freedom in 2010.that biafran war was okay at 1st as a form of self-defense.but ojukwus refusal to let go when it was clear that the war would easily be lost coupled with his running away at the last minute makes him irrelevant to me.he is definitely not my hero.my heroes are those people who died fighting for their survival.

If it was ok at all, then, let's leave the speculation. No one knows for sure what would have become of Easterners after 1966. Even if we willingly surrendered, you think today would be any different? Look at the Niger delta today. It would likely be worse because our oppressors will have us(we Igbos and other minorities of the east) for the picking. We would effectively be enslaved in Nigeria. Today, the respect we have in Nigeria is because we fought for long with bare hands. So our enemies often wonder what would happen if we are well armed. Yes, even today, our respect in Nigeria stem from 1966.

ENUGU—THE apex Igbo socio-cultural organisation, Ohanaeze Ndigbo yesterday asked the National Assembly to immediately confer the status of Acting President on Vice President Goodluck Jonathan to avoid creating a state of anarchy in the country.

The organisation said having reviewed the state of the nation, especially as it affects the long absence of ailing President Umaru Yar’Adua, it had become imperative for the National Assembly to stop further violation of the nation’s constitution by invoking the relevant sections of the constitution and the Public Service Rules.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/01/14/ohanaeze-urges-nass-to-declare-jonathan-ag-president/

asha 80:
Ama nna gi shi kwe afoanu

grafikdon:
Gi na Andy Uba gbabirikwe nga ahu. . . Gi na Andy Uba jukwe ohia. . .


Don't worry, Andy will get plenty of votes from Uga people, who fortunately do not make up 0.09% of the electorate.

unu go kill person o!
lmao!

Edruezzi:
Brave, Biafrans,
@Only Truth, one of my parents is from Anambra State. The other one is an American citizen.
@Eziachi,
Maps are important. Countries don’t float on air. Biafra people surely do know themselves. Such as my second cousin, a fifteen year old at the time, arguing with me about Biafra until I told him how geography alone made the entire project impractical and he shut up, at least in my presence. You simply can’t go around with a name for a country and a flag if you don’t have a territory. It’s why this newfound Biafra consciousness is absurd.

You are right about the bolded quotes but you are wrong about others. Really. Do you know why I said that you are wrong? There was a Biafra between 1967 and 1970. It is still listed in database of African states online. That country was very real because apart from the innocent victims of war crimes (women, children and old people who starved to death because of an imposed blockade) other Biafrans really believed in it and fought for it on the war front, from Nsukka to Calabar and parts of Rivers state. Now, I know that because of the defeat of Biafra, some folks from former Biafran territory distance themselves from current agitation, I know that will not continue when Nigeria finally starts disintegrating. Suddenly those people will have to choose where to go and how to stay strong in a new state. I would want my village to be a country too, but it is viable? Can I survive if the next country comes to colonize me? You know, real hard questions devoid of pecuniary childish thoughts.
Only then can you say for sure who will be where. As for now, Biafra is the map of 1967-70. The day that is finally proven nonviable, there will be a new name for any other country emerging.

I was in Anambra yesterday. Ojukwu is prominent on campaign banners for Peter Obi. A quote on one of the banners declares that having the people vote for Obi is Ojukw’s last wish. Only Africans could worship a man who brought such disaster on his people, a man who pushed some rioting up to the level of a shooting war. Meanwhile you all complain about not having an Igbo president of Nigeria. Well, what will the non-Igbo make of a place like Anambra that's had four governors in six years?

Your line of reasoning here clearly marks you out as non easterner. You said one of your parents is from Anambra but you failed to tell me whether your other parent is a natural born American or a naturalized citizen. There is a difference and you know it.

As for the man who says he likes garri, well, here’s a correction. At the end of the Biafra war the soldiers were living on three cups of garri in two weeks. It prompts one to ask a question: in the name of what? 2 million people died because Ojukwu did not like the idea of obeying orders from a lower ranked officer. Also a generation of military officers of Igbo origin realized that their careers were over as far as the Nigerian military was concerned, so they figured  carving out their own country was better. If you like garri, given the popilation increase, another Biafra won't even have enough of that. I don't know if you guys noticed but Northern farmers feed the Igbo people.

Another comment that tells me there is no way you are Igbo. Or you may have been deceived about what happened. I would advise you to ask questions. You say you are in Anambra (which I strongly doubt). Just ask anyone there above 50 years what happened in 1966. Stop peddling lies here.
If not for Ojukwu sending a military unit to Sabon Gari Kano in 1966, my family would have been wiped out (and I won't exist). If the killing of some 30,000 people is not a declaration of war, then the term has no meaning.

bk_baybe99:
@ Onlytruth: clearly ure kinda slow! How the hell u get access to a computer? Are u blind?! Definitely I DID NOT claim to know anything about Niger Delta even when I seen them on the news I always assumed they were ibo. All I did was recount a discussion/arguement that took place now all of u buggn!I asked a simple question, I stated everyone's argument and what sides they took. Do u see the yorubas insulting me?what of the Niger Deltans (excepting that liar Beaf)? This is not about right or wrong, this is about state your piece, but I guess u guys are too silly to do that since u busy plotting how to steal other peopl"s properties. Or insult whoreva quetions u on a certain rumor!

Keep lying to yourself mudder/fkcer!
The real Niger deltan gave you an honest answer and you are here pretending to deceive idiots like yourself.
Carry on.

sjeezy8:
yea im a coward so . . . I would rather fight in the bedroom with chicks than on the battle field. Hater lol

all 1000+ post of yours are about bullshioot and war. Go and get some pu%$y Im bout to. I dont wanna end up a loser like you talking about wars n what not.

peace out yo got chicks to do . . .

Buzz off mudder/fkcer!
One of these days you will catch AIDS!
All deserters do.

bk_baybe99:
The Amaka, ure one to gloat about someone gettn banned! And when, ho, did I say my step dad had anything to do wit today's topic? Quote one place where I discriminated against ya"ll, without twisting my words, and I'll accept all your criticisms! I asked a simple question NONE of you have refuted what I asked, instead its been insults upon insults.lol. Not one ibo said " Nah poster u wrong, we don't want they oil we will rather live together in peace" bla bla bla. Nobody said jack, just raining insults. Why?! Cus my questions just might be closer to the truth than yall would wanna agree

But you avoided the question I asked you earlier. Do you know anything about Niger delta? If you don't answer that question, then you will wait for ever.

sjeezy8:
that was wack
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=377668.msg5271768#msg5271768

I told you Onlytruth was a girl- the jig is up what size bosom do you have?

If I'm a chick, then my b'al.l's are bigger than yours. You pathetic little coward!

Here is my 1000th post on nairaland and I won't waste it!
My thoughts for Nigeria as a diehard Igboman are:

(1) That people should stop lying about our history and what that portends for the future, and stop lying for once!
(2) Nobody from Igboland will take a piece of land anywhere (including Igboland) without paying fair market price for it.
(3) We Ndigbo will never forget our allies from the past and will never turn our backs on true democrats and real progressives.
(4) We hate mediocrity with a fiery rage.
(5) We would never be loyal to a country that cheats anyone for any reason.
(6) We love enterprise and prefer honest income through hardwork. We cheat when we see others cheating!
(7) We will fight anyone who wants to enslave us!

Everything else is hogwash!

You see, the anuofia sneeks in and out of threads to gossip about real men. Talk of war now he disappears from threads for days!
Mpama! Your type will be in our mind when next we fight.

sjeezy8:
PSA: Regardless of tribe

Everyone please ignore Onlytruth shes really girl posing as guy
thank you for taking time out to read.

Carry on . . . .

Don't mind this she-goat hiding in Brazil. COWARD.
Idio't'.

H2O2:
@OP
Where did this bit of information about the Ibo people  and how come it has been swept under the rugs?  I'm sure most people hadn't heard about it until now.

Because it is a figment of his freakish imagination. Looooooooooooooooooog sigh!

Abagworo:
the truth is that south-south is better off as an entity than affiliated to any other group.however a country that comes out of it will be in chaos.IMAO if akwa ibom and cross river merge to form a country it would be a model for all black africans.

The Ibibios and Efiks (Cross river and Akwa Ibom) were real Biafrans in 1967-70. They fought and died alongside other true believers in Biafra. I don't recall a single case of sabotage on their own side during the war. I don't think much has changed with them today if Nigeria collapses.

^^^

Again I'm highly suspicious of anyone who tells me that his/she is Igbo just to take a snipe at Ikemba. If you are Igbo, then go ask your father what role he played in our defense when we were being killed all over Nigeria in 1966.

cap28:
whatever - i suppose the death of 3 million igbos (mainly women and children) from starvation was a lie.

come on - face up to the truth he took igbos for a ride, i am igbo myself but i cannot serve at the alter of Ojukwu becauase he betrayed his people, many igbos were intimidated by him, this was a clear cut case of inferiority complex towards a person who was deemed to be of a higher social status.  Sadly he did not use his western education or military training to acheive anything for his people.

So, you think Biafrans were fools to fight Nigeria, don't you? My question to you is this:
Why is Nigeria still grappling with the same issues that led to the war? (40 years after!)
I can tell you for sure that Biafrans are not led by the nose. We went to war willingly. Just like the MEND today. Just like MASSOB today. So, our icon was right about Nigeria then and he is right even today. Live with it.

The 3 million that died as you pointed out were victims of war crimes. The actual death from direct conflict was not up to two hundred thousand. Some of the war criminals are still alive and we know them.
So, leave our icon alone.

cap28:
ha ha you are wasting your time with these retards - the are  too dumb to recognise an opportunist when they see one, this tin pot idol Ojukwu whose alter they continue to worship at has had them trapped in this mindset for years despite his utter betrayal of them.

Ojukwu is a member of the ruling class - he has no interest in bettering the plight of the ordinary man - this is what these numbskulls cant get into their thick skulls.

We love him even more today than in 1967 because we've had the time and opportunity to cross check your lies for 40 years! That is long time enough to know the truth.
You are the numbskull!

bk_baybe99:
A leader?!?!?! From what I just  read on another thread he agreed to march against government tyranny yesterday only to be a no show; most likely cus he's been promised some money. What kinda leader is that? Never hesitates to display cowardice!!!!wow. and this is the brightest bulb in the ibo chandelier!?!!?

Buzz off you mexican/colombian drug dealer

You want our icon to go out and march to protest a mess he foresaw and fought 43 years ago. I hope you haven't started smoking that coke you were supposed to be selling. m/dafukcer!

sjeezy8:
<------------------ Ignoring Onlylies from now on, hes a she.

I was ignoring your cowardly a's's and you kept flying around me like a blood sucking tse tse fly that you are. So why are you running now, idi'ot'.
I don't blame you, sometimes i wish we have a war in Nigeria so that all your types will be killed off. I know, because you will be stuck in 1966-67 until the war is over. fo'olish maggot!

cantell:
Wrong information, so you mean every
tribe in N-Delta hate Igbos? Don't say that
again.

@Wily*Wily & Onlytruth,
I've lived with this people for years and i know what i'm talking about. Even the Niger-Delta Igbos there will never accept they're Igbos until they need your help. You'll see them speaking Igbo as if there's no tomorrow.
Most of them will rather die than be with Igbos. I don't mean all but most of them.
I'm sticking to what i said.

The emerging political and socio-cultural situation of a possible break up of Nigeria is desperate enough. They won't need prodding. Political and socio-cultural circumstances and realities will compel them to see reason. There is no need telling a deaf person that war is raging. He can see things for himself!

cap28:
hmm so he claims, but a true leader does not sacrifice 3million lives for nothing, leave the country and then return to form an alliance with the same people who massacred your people.  I smell deal in there somewhere, me thinks he was promised a piece of the action by the british but unfortunately for him was outsmarted by the british who are known for their cunning and treachery,  he has continued to perpetuate the myth that he actually gave a poo about his people, on the contrary he offered them up as sacrificial lambs in his megalomania fuelled adventure.

Keep deceiving yourself with half education. The man is more popular than your father and your people dream of such a leader but can never produce such. He is not just our leader; he is our ICON, so get that straight.