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What I like most about white people is that they are courageous in facing their problems. They don't cut corners and avoid core issues. That is why you see them build roads, bridges and tunnels in the most unlikely places. In Nigeria,we are too afraid to tackle core issues. Unfortunately for us, no great nation ever be without first courageously tackling those issues. That is why we wasted 50 years and counting.

Tribalism is real in our politics and is destroying Nigeria; has been since "carpet crossing" of the 50s.
Question is : What do we do about that? We can't keep sweeping it under the carpet.
50 years is long enough! We either courageously do away with federal character, quota system and "born-to-rule" mentality, or simply disintegrate.
Our patience as a people has already run out!

edoyad:
Bluetooth, if you can see this so clearly here i don't know why you don't apply the same standard in the other thread. Like you have so pointed out, the problem is not hausa, yoruba, muslim, homosexual or ijaw; when we can get a leadership that can get things to work, [b]i swear i don't mind if every political office is occupied by an hausa man or Camerounian woman [/b]as long as everything is working like every where else outside Africa,

But I bet you will mind if is it an Igboman 
Anyway on a more serious note, you are being too idealistic. Start by removing quota system and federal character first and allow the most qualified person to get the job. I bet you all other things will fall in line. But in Nigeria, it is not possible. Once you advocate that, it would end up in "iboman is too greedy". Somehow, cries of domination will start ringing out and hatred will start brewing. That is what led to the massacres in the north in the 1950s and 60s. That is where we have been and we have never moved an inch past that.
That is part of why Jonathan is not acting president today.

~Bluetooth:
Olabukola
good write up but let me tip in something.look at the united states of america,they fought the britains through a bloody revolution over two hundred years ago,united all the surrounding cities through different treaties and become a united country.considering what it takes to unite fifty states and other island,the US must have gone through a lot but look at today,US is a reference point to developing countries besides being the most powerful country.to be honest,what nigeria need is not a breakup but a system that will make things work, history are not written overnight,we just have to start from somewhere

Bluetooth,

The biggest problem in your line of thinking (which unfortunately is the same line of thinking by those in charge of Nigeria since 1970), is that somehow without tackling the core issues of contention, things would simply fall in line and start working for Nigeria. That is why we are here today without a president and yet his vice can't take over!

The US you cited is almost counter your argument. The US came together by treaties, right? It began with 13 states only. Today it is 50 states. Others joined much later, including the largest state of California. Each state in the union has its own CONSTITUTION, Police forces (state, local govt/county, city and even utilities police forces),control education, has a national guard under command of state governor and a whole bunch of decentralized power. Mind you none of these were done from the center. They had these BEFORE joining the union. In Nigeria, someone will be in Abuja and decide to create a state as it would suit his/her divide and rule schemes, not according to grassroot consensus or fair demand.

To be brief, Nigeria is upside down and can never work. For it to work, it must disintegrate first. After that, each component part would then enter into founding treaties and agreements. When the process completes, we would then take stock. It may be possible to have the same country in place, or a different configuration.
I think that is part of what olabukola is trying to put across.

pcmadu:
watch AND listen to the voice of a HERO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhbJs26SjNw&NR=1

The great Ikemba! The only living legend of Igboland.
You are looking at least 10 years younger!
Ndu gi, the father of a great nation!

You think say na only aboki like you sabi speak Igbo!
Many Igbos can speak Hausa more than you.  Ewu ugwu!

from ndu_chuks

I await your apology - l however do not expect it.  I leave you with the follwing Igbo adage "Ubochi aka ga-akpara Eze Udene, o kwuo ndimmuo chiri ya eze" - The day the King of Vultures will be apprehended, it will reveal the spirit that crowned it.

Aboki dey yarn Igbo!

ndu_chucks:
The likes of Onlytruth will wait in vain for the disintegration of Nigeria, they have learnt nothing from the last civil war.  Can you imagine him making an insensitive claim that Igbos make up 60% of Rivers state? I wonder where he got his data from.

Your worst nightmare! Calm down ndu_chuks!
I know that -Azikin kaza shini gedengeri ina sha ruwan kasko! , my Hausa is a bit rusty because I left Kano quite young. But you get the idea.

If your brothers hadn't ruined this country up to the stage of producing an international terrorist, Nigeria could have survived. But you blew it! So live with it.

edoyad:
Only truth[b] believes[/b] his people make us 60% of rivers, don't let MEND hear you.

I don't "believe" it. I know it! But I don't need to prove it to an outsider like you. So move on.
A northerner cannot defend part of the old East. Like Beaf said, it is like the fox defending the hen house!

ndu_chucks:
I never said that. Ndiigbo are everywhere, even in Sokoto state. They are however marginalized, mistreated, and murdered by MEND and other millitants in the ND.

Shame on you Onlytruth, if you are an authentic Igbo, you will use Igbo instead of Ibo; olodo. People like Beaf are reading you, as you lay claim on ND.

Now trying to divide the Igbo against themselves! Splitting hairs so to say.
ndu_chuks, shame on you.

Let me tell you, the day Nigeria disintegrates, the north will be worse than Somalia. Your factions will hit thousands! You think we don't know about your "one north" myth? Just wait till then.

[b]flashgeek = EmperorOlu [/b]lmao!
Stop insulting people!
WTF

sjeezy8:
Not really if you know the meaning of anticipation, you would understand that I said there will be wars in the south if Nigeria breaks up. There wont be peace between anyone.

Thats just commone sense

anticipation -pleasurable expectation
Theres nothing pleasurable in what i said.

who is talking of only rioting? There will be war between yorubas and whoever has problem with itsekiri.

not to mention the same ijaws that are tryin to claim parts of cross river and akwa ibom as ijawland also
Common sense will tell you everyone will war and scramble for their subgroups or related groups.

Ode! Stop trying to frighten the unsuspecting.
Who will fight, your type?
I laugh in Ijaw!

Abagworo:
i would like to know

(1)if south-south is same as niger-delta

(2)if niger-delta is an ethnic group

(3)the list of all the ethnic groups in niger-delta

(4)the list of all the ethnic groups in south-south.

Your answer, thanks to Adigun -adigun101



Mind you ND is different from south - south.
ND is a geographical entity while SS is a geo-political entity.
The region known as the Niger-Delta are made up of the following Nigerian states. with their ibo composition.

Abia - 100%
Akwa-Ibom - 5%
Cross River State - 7%
Edo - 1%
Imo - 100%
Ondo States. - 0%
Delta State - 30 %
Rivers State - 60%
Bayelsa State - 15%

This is proof that the ibos have the right to claim ND.
S
Maps
http://coral.lili.uni-bielefeld.de/langdoc/EGA/Proposals/Ega-proposal2/sv019026.jpg

1898 map of Niger-Delta ( Even before Nigeria was created !)
http://www.waado.org/NigerDelta/Maps/historic/1898_map_niger_delta.html

ndu_chucks:
Nice poem. Are you quoting the same Wiwa, knowing that in 1995, Ojukwu signed government documents identifying himself as a witness to Wiwa's death?  The same Wiwa whom Ojukwu had counted as an enemy since the collapse of Biafra's secessionist movement? na wa o.

As to the claim that ibo constitutes about 30% of ND indegenes, many in ND believe that the number may be close to less than 5% rather than the 30% you are claiming as fact.  Please provide supporting evidence to substantiate your claims.  White lies will not cut it here.

Now back to you defending Niger delta! A while ago you were defending Igbo !
Ha ndu_chuks!
Are you that desperate

So Ojukwu is now the Abacha and Oladipo Diya that hanged Wiwa.
Was Ojukwu holding any government post in 1995?
Was he a judge in the case?
Was he the governor of rivers state?

Do you think people are as daft as you!


Na wa for you.

Dan Iska!

Thank you again [size=16pt]my brother Beaf ![/size]
E dey pain dem well well!

Shall you say

Because your own brother

Led you into the hands

Of defeats

Your balm of brotherhood

Will forever suffer

Humiliation?


The enemies of Ndigbo and Niger delta are at work and I hope my Niger delta brothers see them clearly.
Some of them claim to be from Niger delta but are infact northerners or westerners.
Open your eyes and stop them!

It is obvious that the enemies of South east and south south are at work!
The ndu_chuks and the yeswecan and bluetooth

Known oil thieves are at work!

You have stolen enough from Wiwa's oil wells.
Go home now!

Saro wiwa:

Again, shall you say

Because the scar

Of the betraying spear

Is still fresh and frail

You shall not give ear

To the cry of your brother

About to be smashed

By his adversaries?



Brother mine,

Shall you say

Because your own brother

Led you into the hands

Of defeats

Your balm of brotherhood

Will forever suffer

Humiliation?

^^^
So how can one lay "claim" to what he partly owns? Isn't it foregone that he partly owns it I cannot "claim" to own part of my fathers property.

I think that Ken Saro Wiwa's poem captures the essence of this discourse. I will post excerpts.

adigun101:
You see your backwardness? Take ND from who ?
Who owns it at the moment.
Ijaw, Urhobo, Edo, Efik ,  or from themseleves (ibos)
If anyone owns ND it is Niger river.
My point is that ibo constitutes about 30% of ND indegenes.

Thank you very much adigun101. I am really impressed with your resolute pursuit of the truth here. Unfortunately, your type is very rare in Nigeria. By rare I mean those who are prepared to say the truth no matter whose ox is gored.
Thanks again and keep up the good work.  

yeswecan:
You are getting it wrong brother !! there is no need to bring emotions into this.

Agreed. Now need for emotions! Just be your self. No masks please!

So what's your tribe again? You never told us. If you don't say it, then, you do not qualify to say anything tribal here. Get it?

Actually yeswecan is an oil thief. He hates MEND too!  

@Justcash

The yeswecan character is not even from the south south. He exposed himself when he posted pictures of starving Biafran children who could have been Ijaw, Annang, Efik, Opobo.

Even anyone with an elementary education cannot reason that poorly no matter the level of i'dio.cy and hatred. The only rational explanation is that he is from outside old East for sure. I already suspect he is from the tribes that steal the Niger delta oil.

yeswecan:
I couldn't make any sense from your post, honestly.  tribe means nothing to me its just a mental prison which most people on here are locked in. Some people don't  have to mention their tribes you know who they are.

Dude really? So what have you been having all the diarrhea about Igbos all these while? So Igbo is not a tribe?
Now I know for sure that you are not even from south south, talk-less of Niger delta.
Owners of nairaland should start banning people who impersonate other tribes and subsequently lower the quality of discourse here.

scktaggif:
You won't believe i read everything.

I have only one thing to say, a true leader does not sacrifice 3million lives for nothing, leave the country and then return to form an alliance with the same people who massacred his people. This makes me have a second thought on Ojukwu's true ambition plus he even own a political party now, what de hell, is this guy for real ? are you saying the 3 million people were sacrificed for no reason? If the reason was just or he even had respect for the  3 million lives he should be ready to sacrifice his own life along with the 3 million. That guy is a crook.

lol scktaggif=Bilymuse

Old stale lie and [size=14pt]off point[/size]!
The topic is Igbo claiming Niger delta. lmao!

LOL the idi'ot' yeswecan is not even from south south region. goat! lol!

yeswecan:
KID go along with the insult by the way am actually enjoying this.

Are you from Niger delta? If yes, which tribe? You lost all your credibility when you pointed at your papa house with left hand.

ndu_chucks:
@Onlytruth, you are beginning to sound like an untrained thug or nkita,  with your shameless use of foul language in this forum - very unbecoming of you.

Your superior points will make your case, while your foul language will diminish the quality of your points, olodo.

Ol'boy stay away from this o!

The guy is mocking innocent victims of a war that was imposed on his own people.

yeswecan:
You need sympathizers. Thank God you saw the pictures of dieing  kids, product of selfish Ojukwu, that was the point i brought out BUT am not surprised they were translated to something else. I had to remove them before am branded something else

No don't remove the pictures! Your hate has blinded you to the id'iocy' of your illiogic!
Leave it there. Keep drinking palm wine with the buffalo horns that killed your father and keep blaming Ojukwu when you are fighting for "resource control" today. I only wish your type could be well exposed so that we would devise effective strategies to neutralize you. Mudder/fker!

yeswecan:
You are a fool to think am celebrating the death by posting pictures, i was making a point. The war was pointless and Ojukwu should be arrested. Well i will have to take off that picture because negative people like you are looking for what to say

If you don't tell me your tribe in the delta I will keep cursing and abusing you. mudder/fkr!

You come here to make mockery of the memory of Biafran war victims and you tell me you are from former Biafran territory.
The pictures you posted could have been from Calabar, Yenegoa, or Asaba.
It doesn't have Igbo written on it. Fo'ol!

yeswecan:
The truth is bitter son. the beginning of your sentence sucks, so because am from ND i should foolishly support what? the criminals disguising as freedom fighters or any thing that opposes the north. Am sorry am not as blind and brainwashed like you, people like you are the reason why Nigeria can never move forward because you believe the North have a hidden agenda to make you suffer. You belive in camps, well my camp is Nigeria and i can tell a freedom fighter when i see one. Ojukwu  is a simple criminal who led his people into a pointless war and settled with his enemies, why is that so hard for you to grasp. Where is the so-called Ojukwu now, the west promised him lots to start the war and 3 million Igbos were killed like animals.

If not for anything for the memory of the Igbos that died in the war he should have maintained his ground, but no; he came and formed a political party; platform for making money and even oppressed his people with, it even got to the point when OBJ controled what happend in his political party , you call such A SlowPoke a freedom fighter. Maybe you should ready up Nelson Mandela on google and know the meaning of freedom fighters.

Don't make me spilt history because you don't even know who i am.

[size=16pt]
Who the fck are you![/size]!
Some anumanu claiming to be from niger delta. Where in Niger delta? What is your tribe there. Niger delta is not a tribe!
And don't call me son, you id'ot'!

Any person who mocks his own god won't last long. People like yeswecan must understand that the expression "all men are equal" is a mere slogan. I won't need to prove that to him. We are still in Nigeria aren't we?

The idio't' yeswecan posted pictures of victims who could be from any part of Biafra. How daft can someone be

He thinks only Igbos died and starved to death in Biafra. The anuofia is celebrating the death of his own people!