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I know that people like yeswecan want to wish away the fact that there are Igbos in Niger delta, it is good we know how desperate they are in that wish, maka echi (in case of tomorrow).

adigun101:
FYI ,
On seeing this post I got quite curious and the carried out a little study of my own. I never thought of ibos being relevant to the Niger-Delta but detailed study proved that they are infact the largest ethnic group in ND.
Mind you ND is different from south - south.
ND is a geographical entity while SS is a geo-political entity.
The region known as the Niger-Delta are made up of the following Nigerian states. with their ibo composition.

Abia - 100%
Akwa-Ibom - 5%
Cross River State - 7%
Edo - 1%
Imo - 100%
Ondo States. - 0%
Delta State - 30 %
Rivers State - 60%
Bayelsa State - 15%

Thank you adigun101

yeswecan:
I can feel the emotion .   .  Oh Biafran .  .  .  Oh  Biafran . .  Ojukwu mother's name . LLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOL

You people are so silly not to have learnt any lesson from the Ojukwu deception. He should be in jail for leading innocent people into armsway for his selfish desires. Now he owns a political party and collect bribe from the top, same people he fought against, freedom fighter indeed ! You should be ashamed to identify yourself as  Biafran

If you are really from the Niger delta, then you are [size=16pt]the biggest fool [/size]I have seen on nairaland. Seriously!

Katsumoto:
I agree but you are yet to respond to his allusions.

What allusions? He can believe whatever he wants. Even if it is true, why would I take it from a known divide and rule strategist?
Igbo people say that you have to first drive away the ufu (fox, jackal) that came to steal your chicken before turning around to blame the chicken for venturing into wild areas. What point is it to defend myself against a known thief who continue stealing resources from other areas. I don't have to defend myself against such element.
Beaf and I have have an understanding about how things should be. I don't need ndu_chuks (a northerner's) duplicitous inputs.

Divide and rule, divide and exploit, divide and quench, divide and conquer, divide and vanquish, divide and steal, divide and r*ape', divide and . . . . . .

ndu_chuks, tell your brothers in the north that the game is getting too old. 

ndu_chucks:
mwanne m, oginni ne me gi? What has come over you?  Ndiigbo are not known for turning the other cheek when attacked, they are typically what my Yoruba brothers call ajeokuta ma mu mi (person wey dey chop stone without needing water to wash it down) - I mean, tough people.  I find this rolling over of yours very suspicious and the likes of Beaf are well adviced to watch you with all eyes including the third one.

lol, ndu_chuks, you f*&*cking terrorist.

40 million of your kind in the north will never be enough to divide us for easy exploitation.

I am not in the school of thought saying yorubas are useless and unproductive. Believe me some of the best skilled Nigerians are yoruba. Igboman will always employ the best. Period. That is why the typical Nigerian hatred baffles us. My problem with some yorubas is when they start making evil statements about the war. I wish someone would advise them that the war issue could create a permanent enmity between igbos and yorubas.

@ndu_chucks

I actually enjoy sparing with you here. You make me laugh!
But, c'mon now, you want us (Igbos and Ijaws) to keep fighting don't you? Be honest for once! And while we are at it, y'all will sneak in through the back door to make hay!
That your tactic is becoming stale. I only blame some misguided people who still listen to your lies.

Beaf:
It is better to focus energies on the real enemy, rather than pursue quarrels with the Ijaw. The time to forget the past has come and we can see that with quite a few powerful Igbo's already making telling statements, especially in these trying times. Don't listen to tall tales about MEND killing anybody, it is very well known that MEND avoids civilian casualties and always offers apologies when they occur. Don't fall for rumours spread by the vipers amongst us, if MEND's attacks have never been secret.

I hear you bro Beaf

You know that ndu_chucks is a crafty son of a b***ch! I should take his sources with a huge pinch of salt.

Katsumoto:
You are such a liar.
Why would anyone who hates Yoruba so much employ them. The attempt at 'bigging' yourself up is a bit pathetic.

Yoruba masons and craftmen built my brothers interior designs in Anambra state. He imported them from Lagos and they lived with him for days building the house. I remember one of them who always went up to the penthouse to pray every now and then (he is a muslim). So no biggie about that.

Bottomline is that he doesn't have to like them to employ them. Igbos are not like that. We don't hate that much!

ayinba1:
@onlytruth,

I expected better from you, but this forum is FOR Nigerians, remember?

Okay, you are right about that, but the contribution from outsiders should not be malicious and inciting. If anyone from other part of Nigeria has a genuine historical or political information, by all means share it here. But, don't see this as an opportunity to sow seeds of discord in the south east and south south.

@All
So can we get back to the topic now?

Yorubas would do well by staying away from this discussion. This topic is really for the Igbos and other former easterners. We need to ask ourselves some hard questions about our loyalty to one another in the old east. This should help us navigate the future.
Ojukwu fought for the east (Biafra). Was it better he never fought at all? If yes, what were the likely political scenarios to emerge post 1967? If a similar situation arises again, what should Igbos do?

Katsumoto:
I do not think SEFAGO is that brazen

I think you are wrong about that. Even EmperorOlu was more intelligent. These ones reporter, Sefago or whatever he mutates into is as dumb and i'diot'ic as they come.

reporter?:
Biafrans are by nature aggressors.  They will never admit that their murderous rampange on Hausa leaders
in 60's cumulated into the civil war. Never start a fight you can't finish, especially war, is a lesson you bunch of whinners should ruminate on.
But Biafrans being natural aggressors will never listen,  they whine and point fingers at everyone and never look at the man in the mirror
for once.

They always want more of everything -greedy no-good people. If you allow them, they will take the enire ND for themselves.
To tell you how greeedy these people are,  despite being killed like dogs in the North, they keep going back to the
same place to do business. How dumb can you be! Yet they 'll tell you they are smart -silly people
As fas they are concerned the end justifies the means even at the expense of their lives.

Biafrans will sell their mama for a dime and still have a peaceful night's sleep.

reporter= SEFAGO Same philosophy!

debosky:
Anyone reading these accounts will think that the Igbos did no wrong at all in any war or any situation in Nigeria.

By the same daft reasoning (and I must repeat, it is daft) because Nzeogwu killed a Hausa Prime Minister, why should any Hausa associate with the Igbo knowing he can repeat [b]the same pogrom [/b]against him?

Why should any black man associate with a white man since the white man once enslaved a black man?

Idiocy of the highest order.

By all means, hold on to idiotic acts committed over 30 years ago and base your life on it.

To think that you have posted 16,000 times on nairaland and still reason like this What have you been posting?
Na wa for some Nigerians!
So the killing of 12 politicians is now a pogrom?
The situation is truly hopeless.

Katsumoto:
I expected more from you; instead you posted an account that is not credible. It is obvious that the writer does not like Adekunle.

He may not like him, but can you dispute his accounts of the war?

~Bluetooth:
Onlytruth
so you expect me to believe an information coming from a biafran source?

Since you expect me to believe Wikipedia, why not In any case, my source is more credible than Wikipedia.

It is important to note that throughout most of the time that Adekunle was menacing in the swamps and creeks, with sophisticated weapons and British logistics, he never encountered any reasonable confrontation with Biafran troops. The Biafran troops were fending off the other two divisions in the north of Biafra. All of Adekunle's initial brutalities and victories were mostly against unarmed civilians, all in the minority areas of Biafra. So, when Dipo calls Adekunle a war hero, he is actually celebrating the massacre, despoil, torture, and decapitation of civilian children and women of the Niger Delta and Igbo land. This is a celebration of fascism and deserves condemnation

What happened when Adekunle left the creeks and began to fight on the mainland? He conceived his OAU scheme in July 1968 and because he had it easy within the creeks, he miscalculated and Biafra forces showed him that a soldier was not one who killed children and unarmed women. By April 1969, the complete capitulation of Owerri, Aba, and Umuahia remained his mere fantasy. Adekunle resorted to erratic and brutal onslaught against civilian areas. The British, which closed its eyes while Adekunle used similar brutality to secure the oil wells, suddenly regained its human consciousness. Adekunle's brutality became a source of embarrassment to the British and even though Gowon severally apologized on his behalf, his Hitleristic fame's reach to the outside world insurmountably lingered. Grasping the reality that Adekunle was a misfit of a soldier and a barbarian, Gowon was impressed upon by the British to get rid of him. The wretched criminal that he was manifested itself in the circumstances under which he was ignominiously thrown out of the army.

It perturbs me that Dipo, who often speaks like a progressive, can be this ignorant of the heinous criminal that is Benjamin Adekunle. If Dipo is serious about his feelings for Adekunle, it means that Ndi Igbo and Niger Deltans cannot find in him a friend. How can any Igbo or Niger Deltan go into the trenches with Dipo, knowing that Dipo celebrates the crime against humanity committed against them by Yoruba's Adekunle? Why would any Igbo or Niger Deltan not believe that Dipo is capable of visiting pogrom on them if he gets the opportunity? I hope that Dipo will wake up from his slumber and read up on history. He should stop glorifying myth, especially one shrouded in brutality and man's inhumanity to man. A joke is laughable; Joke is not laughable, it is the name of a woman.

With the benefits of British logistics, Adekunle marched on for the big prize. In May 1968, the petroleum town of Bori fell, all the numerous oils fields and ShellBP at Okrika were secured, and the natural gas generating plant at Afam was secured. Adaka Boro, fighting for Nigeria, died here under strange and suspicious circumstances (Adekunle was said to have summarily executed him, in order to solely take credit for fulfilling the British mandate). As he did to the Ibibios and Annangs, Adekunle committed war crimes against the indigenes of these towns.

Due to the brutality he was visiting on the civilians of areas he captured and the mercilessness with which he deployed military hardware, General Ojukwu felt the pains of Adekunle's barbarism as the population of the towns Adekunle captured became refugees and trooped into mainland Igbo. In June 1968, Adekunle moved on to Degema and Yenagoa. To save the population of these towns from Adekunle's brutality, General Ojukwu asked the chiefs of these two towns to surrender to Nigeria, since Biafra had not the type of military hardware to stop Nigeria from capturing their towns at that particular time. These chiefs declined the General's entreaty, seizing that chance to reiterate their unflinching support for Biafra. Because the Nigerians had the military hardware suited for fighting in swamps and rivers, and Biafra did not have any of these equipment, it was easy for Adekunle and his ragtag soldiers to capture these swampy towns. And as General Ojukwu calculated, Adekunle's forces overran these towns and killed civilians as mercilessly as human minds could frown at. So, by July, Elele, Igrita, Ahoada, Brass, Degema, and Yenagoa were occupied and pillaged by Adekunle and his thugs.

The following quote is culled from the BiafraNigeria website. It is an account given by someone who knew more about Adekunle and the early stages of the war:

This filthy and irresponsible commentary of Dipo's is very offensive, insensitive, and arrant immature. Is this the same Dipo that regularly banters with Agwunobi or is this a certified ignoramus whose prowess at letting people into his world of ignominy shimmers before us? In case Dipo was not kidding, let me make it easier for those who lack knowledge of what happened to not fall for falsehood framed for mischief and polarizing purposes.

Benjamin Adekunle, as a Nigerian military division commander, was a sadistic savage. He was a Stalinist bloodthirsty wizard; he was a sociopath giving to carrying out heinous actions that conscionable human beings would not even think of or dare do. He had neither military expertise, intellectual depth, nor the courage to carry out any planned war strategy and obtain victory. All he had going for him was his insatiability for mayhem making and barbarity. His minders exploited his exuberant vulturine disposition in order to accomplish a goal. After he had helped them secure that goal (utilizing his bestiality), they tossed him back into ignominy from whence they had spirited him out.

As the Biafra-Nigeria war began, Britain made it clear that the republic of Biafra must not stand. Her reason: A republic of Biafra under the leadership of General Ojukwu would inhibit British imperialist exploitation of the oil wealth of an African nation. Since ShellBP's irretrievable investment in the oil industry had suddenly fallen under Biafra, only the vanquishing of Biafra could retain ShellBP's ability to make profit from this investment. Consequently, corporate UK brought pressure on its government to support the Nigerian government and ensure the defeat of Biafra. To secure British investment, a special division of the Nigerian military was created to accomplish this, hence the birth of the 3rd Marine Division.

The 3rd Marine Division was armed to the teeth, with the most sophisticated weapons imaginable. While the 1st and 2nd Divisions, long in existence before it, had less than combined troop strength of 25,000, the 3rd Division alone had over 26,000, in addition to hundreds of British amphibious experts. It had access to an armada of armaments, scores of boats and ships that Biafra did not have or could defend against its use. The troops had every amenity at their beck and call. It had two battalions of mercenaries from the republic of Chad (these mercenaries were called --Gwodo-Gwodo [Zombies] -- they had no business with thinking, once they had their burukutu and ogogoro, they went out to kill or be killed). All that this Division needed was to be led by a brutal primitive as could be found among human beings. Going through the psychological profile of Nigerian officers, the British found a miniature Hitler in Benjamin Adekunle and, just like that, a brute was unleashed on hapless humanity.

As I indicated above, the sole purpose of the 3rd Marine Division was to secure British investment in the oil sector. In accomplishing this, any measure and every measure were to be used. On October 18, 1967, this division came onto the war stage. While Biafran soldiers were fending off the 1st and 2nd divisions' attacks and march into Biafra from Nsukka and Onitsha respectively, Adekunle cowardly and brutally sneaked into Biafra by carrying out sea-borne landing at Calabar. Adekunle visited brimstone on the populace of Calabar and all surrounding villages. Remember, his job was to secure the oil fields; this was his first stop en rout this mission. By March 1968, with logistics supplied by Britain, he captured Uyo, Oron, Itu, Ikot Ekpene, Abak, Eket, and Opobo. With the exception of Opobo, all of these towns were inhabited by Ibibios and Annangs -- great Biafrans who refused to abandon Biafra even at gun points. Adekunle and troops whipped these people with scorpions; they mercilessly killed children and women; they buried the aged and the infirm alive; girls as young as nine were despoiled and made sex slaves of brute soldiers.


http://messageboard.biafranigeriaworld.com/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/f/1/t/002176/p/1.html

Katsumoto:
I am not going to go into Awo's action during the war as it would not lead us anywhere. Adekunle was a soldier who was under instructions. That he was arguably the most skilled combatant during the war does not make him a war criminal. Unlike Mohammed who has been accused of war crimes for his actions at Asaba, I am yet to hear of war crimes committed by Adekunle. You can provide reference if you have it; lets not rely on hearsay.

Seriously You've never heard about his notorious quote? And don't tell me he was only talking. Soldiers don't say things they don't do. They actually do more than they talk. I can bring up the quote if you insist.

@Katsu

You need to rein your imbecilic brother in before some Igbo guys join this frey.

~Bluetooth:
Wikipedia is a neutral link that is why im quoting, read it and see the[b] ill-motives of your igbo political ancestors[/b]!!!

The motives of your Yoruba ancestors don't need to be quoted in an "open seseme" source like Wikipedia. It is open knowledge.
The 2 million children and old people starved to death in Biafra is enough proof.
I still advise you to go back to school.

@Katsumoto

I hope you read his quote above. I am also entitled to make a general statement. Thank you!

~Bluetooth:
Onlytruth and co
I will take this as compliment too but you so called scholars of history with big brain but small output always surprise with your analysis.thanks heaven,i do supply  links sometimes to drive home my point, read and see what your igbo brothers committed before making noise


http://www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War?wasRedirected=true

And you are citing Wikipedia as your source!

Like I said before, I would rein you in if I were Yoruba. You are not bringing anything other than curses to your people.
You can take that to the bank!

I think it is time to create proper territories in the south south to reflect stable political lineages. The Ijaw should stay on their own. This N/Delta term is an aberration. This is the time to identify stable partnerships devoid of deep rooted hatreds. I am happy that the current President of Ohanaeze Ndigbo is from South south. He should really swing into action by initiating talks with reasonable elements in his zone. I don't want us taken unawares again. We must identify our allies in the south south and work at the national level to consolidate shared interests with those allies. I don't want us fighting to protect our enemies again.

~Bluetooth:
Chosen04
the war was between igbo and the nigerian state entirely.in war times,all avenues are deployed to ensure that the enemy surrender which include:cutting communication and road network,food blockade,changing of currency,declaring the armed group an enemy of the sovereign state and so on.so blaming Awolowo is not fair in the right sense else dont start wars that you cant win

I really think you should take the advise of many here who advised you to go back to school. You really sound i'dioti'c!
First you compare Ojukwu with Adolf Hitler. Now you say that food blockade is fair in war. Have you ever heard of the term "war crime" in your pathetic life?
Your type makes it impossible for Igbos to forget the role your patrons AWO and Benjamin Adekunle played in the war. If I were you or your folks, I would rein you in! mudd/erfkcer!

I never even knew that the MEND is killing some south south Igbos. I hope this is not true because it would really mean the end for them. Ndigbo don't even need to fight them. All we need do is stand back and give green light to the federal government. There is too much urgency in Abuja to deal ruthlessly with MEND once and for all. This topic is really educational.

Beaf:
We must all form alliances in our own interest across the board, Igbos's, Yoruba's. Ijaw's, Isoko's, Urhobo's, Ibibio's, Edo's etc. . . Every group in the South.

For Igbo land, River Niger leads to the sea, things can be worked out; also, there is no reason why sea access wouldn't be worked out with an Igbo nation if it turns out to be land locked.
There's still some bad blood between Ijaw and Igbo, but it is rapidly melting away. The other ethnic groups in the SS have no issues at all with Igboland, so no biggies.

Thank you for saying this! I said once that the South south does not equal the political "ND republic" if one ever comes to exist. There are too many cleavages which make it impossible for the current South south to form a country. It MAY BE POSSIBLE FOR ONLY THE IJAW to form a ND country comprising of only Ijaw territory, but the viability of that remains to be seen.
From what I have learned so far, I would form a country with almost all other southern groups except the Ijaw for now.
The bad blood between the Igbo and Ijaw (and the Ijaw versus all other groups in the south!) may thaw when oil finishes, but we can't wait for that; so we must move on!
The Ijaw is rapidly emerging a notorious and cantankerous group. Some Ijaws are asking for things they can't sustain but that is their problem. This discussion should stay on the front page of nairaland. It is good and informational.

Yea right, the tapeworm and its host are inseparable, one will die without the other, not both 
lmao!

For your last information, Edru[size=14pt]ezzi[/size]
Ezi means pig in Igbo.

Edruezzi:
As for your woodpecker quote, maybe I should tell you that I have only contempt for ancient sayings of dead cultures. What the bleep do I care what the old people said. They are the problem. A culture that exports only desperate people is dead. It has failed to survive as a culture.

It is the exports like you that is dead. Our culture thrives on I've come across many East Africans and West Africans (Kenyans, Ethiopians and Somalians, Gambians, Senegalese and others) who can speak passable Igbo language just from watching the Nollywood movies you vilify. Goat!