₦airaland Forum

erico2k2:
@ Onlytruth
Im from the ND, should that answer your question?,Imonly saying that mayB  they should  just allow us to Be Niger Delt Republic  and beside, we are already warmed up, you know most of them Ships that bet up in the High see to buy Oil  don't only pay back with Dollars,some pay sometimes in a way we call trade by BATA.

I really pity your type because (just like your fathers before you) you have no idea what you are asking for. But then, do you deserve my pity? I doubt it. I, as an Igboman am determined to learn from the past and I have learned.

erico2k2:
@Beaf,
Ijaws may not be termed as the majority group in the ND, but there aint no dispute as they are the once who bear the brunt force of the Oil exploitation of the ND,,I agree with Only truth when he says the current Biafran Map should be scrapped god on you, since the ND dont wanna be part I dont know why they keep including them, adding ND to Biafra at thier own interest lol na wah oh, if the ND is or are such a bunch of trouble, I'm sure we can write them off the Nigerian MAP too, I no fit shout ohhh

Did you mean "wipe them off the Nigerian map"? There are those who are already warming up for that. No hurry my friend!

na_so:
I think you are by far wiser than ojukwu.


Really, ? So Nigeria was a contraption save the eastern region? The british did everything to amalgamate the north and south for business, later the south was broken into east and west to place the north in a vantage position  numerically and politically. But in the case of the eastern region it was british wisdom abi?

Ol boy a little more honesty will be labour saving you know?

I never used the word "British wisdom" though it may mean the same thing. The British were perfectly rational people who knew exactly what they wanted and how to get it. Mind you they were not interested in welfare. They were businessmen who wanted to create as much harmony as possible within regions so as to create peaceful atmosphere for business to thrive! So, those regions were by far more rational and viable than some of the so called states we have today in Nigeria.  I have often maintained that the only flaw in Igbo philosophy in Nigeria is that the Igbo are applying the (egbe bere ugo bere) ie live and let live philosophy to Nigeria. They are forgeting that these philosophies should only be used with people who understand them. It other words, they should be used only in Igboland. Why practice a philosophy that others will not understand or even abuse? That is how we have paid with blood to defend people who will sell us as cheap as anything worthless. Thank God that young Igbos are going to school a lot these days. The Igbo are fast learners and I know they are learning a lot here.

Beaf:
@Onlytruth.
Where you not the one advocating that Igbo's should join the North and SW to loot the ND?

And what is wrong with that, since Ijaw seem to see no difference between the Igbo and other major tribes in Nigeria? Some Ijaws still can't see what is morally wrong with decamping from a collective decision reached by the EAST (including Ijaws) to renegotiate Nigeria for fairness at Aburi or to declare Biafra. They have forgotten that even if Igbos had designs on the delta oil, they didn't have to fight and die to defend it against all odds and in the process lose millions of lives. What stopped Ojukwu from handing the oil over to the Nigerians or whoever was interested as part of a strategy to ease pressure on Igboland? Instead some Ijaws happily led the same forces they are figthing today into Biafra and Igboland (some of which was  led by their hero Adaka boro). While our own hero Ojukwu was fighting to defend the whole East(including Ijawland), the Ijaws were busy conniving to destroy Igboland and to drive Igbos out of the deltas. Suddenly Biafra became an "Igbo thing".  When Igbos decide to toss the Biafran idea (which I suspect they may already be thinking about), we shall see how else the Ijaw can manipulate Igbo interests.
Like I said, Ndigbo don't need the oil in Ijawlands  or any other thing in Ijawlands (there is enough in Igboland).
I can already predict how all these will end.

PS I am not Ijaw. But Ijaw are by far the majority group in the ND and they trouble no one.

I am not interested. I am Igbo and I know Ijaw is not more than the Igbo. Try convincing the Itsekiri and other minority tribes in the delta.

OgidiBoy:
Tufia me Igbo over my dead body,  Igbo are very ambitious and hard working, which am not. Me am just a lazy burukutu drinker waiting for my father to die so I can inherit his house, wife and cows.

Ha ha !!!

I really think that Ijaw have usurped the term "Niger delta" as if it is the same as Ijawland. They are not! Unfortunately for Ijaws, two of Nigeria's major tribes (Igbo and Yoruba) make substantial inroads into the Niger delta (read oil assets). In fact is it funny how some folks here talk of the delta as if only Ijaws live there! I really would like the Ijaws to realize that the "Niger delta republic" Adaka Boro was fighting for really only envisaged Ijawland. The Ijaw need to make peace with their neigbors first, some of their arch enemies are close neighbors like the Itsekiri for instance (in the same Niger Delta). I also want the Ijaws to realize that the Igbo don't need them (or their oil ) to survive. In fact the Ijaw owe the Igbo far more than the Igbo owe Ijaw. [/b]The Ijaw already betrayed the Igbo once and that led to massive Igbo deaths and lost properties. All the Igbo need to do to render Ijaw irrelevant to Igbo strategic goals is to delete the current Biafran map or even toss the entire Biafran idea completely. Biafra (a concept designed by the defunct Eastern Nigerian government including the Ijaw and other minorities of the East) is not a do or die for the Igbo. In such a scenario, the Ijaw becomes useless to Igbo needs and that makes a lot of things possible. Things that other majority tribes would like to see happen in the Niger Delta (neutralizing MEND for instance). Like I understood from an earlier thread I started, where Igboland stops and Ijawland begins is debatable. But, I'm sure we can work that out (when Igbos readjust their strategic interests)! [b]The Eastern region was not a contraption. The British are not as careless as Nigerians. They had perfectly rational reasons for everything they did in Nigeria. It is good that we are deciphering some of those reasons now. It will help us design a nation or nations that work. This thread has been more useful to the Igbo than the Ijaw.

Dede1:
I told you in my previous post that desperation is setting into your plank of argument. Please for sake of clarity, where did you plug the number of 10 million that you claimed represented numeric strength of Ijo people in the defunct eastern Nigerian? Even the combination of Ijo as citizens of both Nigeria and Ghana would not amount to10 million.

I hope you are still normal because most of the permanent secretaries that accompanied Gowon to Aburi were Ijo. It is cool to hear from you that during the summit in Aburi, Ijo people were neither Nigerians nor Biafrans.

@Ibime

I seek the truth and am courageous enough to face it no matter how bad in turns out. It is my understanding that the minorities in the defunct eastern nigerian government (which you called a contraption) were well represented in the Biafran government. I also think that the situation at Aburi was at best Ad hoc and most likely would have been revised within Biafra (after successful secession or confederation). This is hypothetical though, but it could be logically deduced to be a likely outcome because Biafra or eastern region was desperate for cohesion and unity.

My hunch tells me that if Biafra had won the war, that all the bad blood in the minorities of the delta would not have materialized or endured. Biafra was a product of extraordinary and precipitous sets of circumstances. Though Nigerians (including those who opposed Biafra) may never admit it, Biafra was the best attempt so far to create a real nation out of that space called Nigeria which Awo called a mere geographical expression (which it remains today!).

People should call a failed attempt at greatness just that. They should not become cowards peddling all manner of lies or half truths just to distance themselves from the failure. Unfortunately that is what most people do. History is too unforgiving towards such people. Asari Dokubo (an Adaka  Boro of our day) is now regreting the role some Ijaw (maybe Boro) played in Biafra. Now, if an active Ijaw miltant can see things this way today, it means he has more reliable information (after years of "Boroism" and other militant philosophies) to admit that there is a need for a change of strategy and that Boro might infact be wrong. Whether he is a hero or a villian is left to the Ijaws to decide.

Ibime:
I dont get your point here. . . as of today, Amaechi administers PH, Sylva administers Yenogoa and Uduaghan administers Warri. . . . . what does this have to with Aburi Accord?  

Ibime you are beginning to lose my respect here, and believe me you don't want to do that! No matter how deltans see Biafra or Aburi Accord, they were DELIBERATE [/b]actions of the [b]EASTERN NIGERIAN [/b]government. I still believe that the Accord could have served Nigeria veritably if not for the selfish and myopic leadership of other majority tribes (and some minority ones like Clark, Enahoro and Saro wiwa). The war broke out because the Federal government decided by its own caprices not to implement the Accord. The war or Nigeria's years in the wilderness were all avoidable. Today everyone is clamoring for a [b]SOVEREIGN NATIONAL CONFERENCE (whatever that means!). Clarify yourself or lose my respect for good.

Ohakim disappointed a lot of Igbos by his defection to the PDP. Don't get me wrong. He has been doing good as a governor and many Imo people are happy with his leadership. He may be hoping for his work to speak for him on the day of judgment but PDP is huge leap for Igbos. I really believe that if there is ever a free and fair election in the south east that the PDP will lose all those states. So, Ohakim may be a good governor, but that does not mean that Imo people (die hard Igbos like Anambra people) are ready to take that ride with him to a party that has championed Igbo marginalization leading to an unprecedented situation where the Igbo (one of the three largest tribes in Nigeria) is now ranked 5th in the hierarchy of Nigeria's leadership.
PDP is the arch vehicle for Igbo marginalization. Obasanjo remains the driver-in-chief of that vehicle. So, if there is a free and fair gubernatorial election in Imo, Ohakim is bound to lose to APGA or PPA candidate. He might not even survive PDP primaries because PDP in south east is a den of wolves, and Kalu still has access to some of the PDP players. He may even forget about PPA candidate winning but makes sure Ohakim loses the PDP primaries. This game is too close to home for Kalu and Abuja may not be able to save Ohakim. Some thinks he may be co-opted into vice presidency (an unscrupulous and highly repugnant move to divide the Igbo and Ijaw), but that is even worse for him because Igbos would never support that, and they are tired of second fiddles. Nothing but the top position would sway the Igbo. So, I'm really struggling to see how Ohakim wins this game of Russian roulette.

The Ubas are serving a strategic interest of the Federal government of Nigeria. Any day you see them emasculated is the day you know that someone is seriously beginning to have a change of heart in Nigeria. Keep your focus of those guys. They are like litmus paper!

Becomrich:
naijaking, i have a friend who is igbo,you would never believe that he is igbo, no matter how you people say bad about others. there would be a saint among them. Naijaking, look for the good in others and stop the hate. there is good in everybody wither igbo, ijaw or others.

I have a friend who (when prodded) never denies he is Yoruba, but swears he would never have any serious engagement with Yoruba, including marriage! He lives and breathes Igbo. He is one of those rare Yorubas who celebrate what he sees as a peoples sublime attributes. Attributes that could create a great nation, not the one that always runs to oil money. He is already successful, thanks to his Igbo orientation and connections. The guy sees himself as Igbo period, and we are not discouraging him! If only 10 percent of Yorubas could think like this guy

olabukola:
Very soon we will start hearing Alaye millitant, bus conductor millitant, governor millitant, civil servant millitant, NYSC millitant.

Nigeria is heading to an end.

Ibime:
Militant is the new buzzword. Boko-Haram militants, MEND militants, kidnapping militants, and now Armed Robbery militants.

Just call everyone a militant and you have the moral jurisdiction to carry out extra-judicial measures against them.

ha! ha!!    we will soon have[b] nairaland militants[/b]!

sjeezy8:
ok you're still not making a point ours is that Biafra doesn't help, MEND doesn't help. if anything people inthe south need to wise up and unite against the pdp and elect someone who stands a chance. and right now we only see the west doin it while many in the east are making money minding their business. so one like fashola can gain support from the east AND the opressed in the north.

Did you mean "Select"? Last time I checked, all most elections in Nigeria were rigged and anyone who protested was shot at sight. We need to dig deeper than that.

SapeleGuy:
"When Murtala Mohammed, Ike Nwachukwu and their fellow war criminals marched into Asaba, gathered over 1000 men, the cream of Asaba and surrounding communities at Ogbeosowa, asked them to dress up in their finest clothes, bring their music to welcome the Federal Nigerian troops, then lined them up as they were dancing for them and slaughtered them all, what did Ukpabi Asika say or do? When the same Murtala Mohammed and his men marched into Onitsha and came to Christ Apostolic Church they met 300 unarmed Christians worshipping inside the Church. They marched all 300 unarmed men, women and children out of the Church, tied their hands behind their backs and slaughtered each like a goat"

http://www.kwenu.com/biafra/vob/ukpabi_asika.htm

Dede1 - I deal with facts not blackmail.
There are two points that i maintain, these are:
[list]
[li] If the 'water people' betrayed you, then acts of betrayal from your own people were of even greater significance. I can provide more evidence (names) if you so desire[/li]
[li]There are two leaders one fought to the death for his cause and the other ran away leaving his soldiers to be slaughtered and for Effiong to pick up the pieces. How can you call Boro a traitor? A traitor to what? the colonial, corrupt and artificial construct that was the eastern region?  That is as absurd as saying that mid west were traitors for leaving the western region[/li]
[/list]
Let everybody take responsibility for their own actions and destiny.

Since we are in the slaughterhouse today. Murtala Muhammed was (nemesis) slaughtered like a ram by Dimka. There must be God somewhere in Igboland.

We were not one in 1913 and you have people here mocking the memories of heroes who died to give justice to their people. Yet we pretend we have a nation. Can you build a colossus on quicksand

like I said before, what has changed (with PDP scheming to rule for 60 years and MEND and all other fracas), to prove the dead wrong?
I'm still waiting for a real answer. I will ignore all windy comments.

ezeagu:
The ironic thing is the best way to spite these former 'masters' is to cooperate with each other, they put us together because they knew we wouldn't get along and they know if someone tried to do the same to them, well, look at the two major wars of the 20th century. They have and will always think lesser of us. I think if anyone truly wants to split you have to sit back and watch what's happening in Nigeria because you won't have to do much, so you don't get your nation involved in [another] blood feud, that would probably last centuries after the country has split. Until all this . . . . . . . we've got to work we've got. . . . . . . . . .

I wasn't talking about any feud not to talk of a bloody one. I'm talking about "awareness" "understanding" and "enlightenment" about our true situation. Our past. If we understand for instance that we were never ALWAYS one nation, it would make it less likely for a policeman or soldier to commit genocide or murder people extra judicially or raze down towns and cities just to force unity. If Nigerians understand the past, it would make it more likely for them to gather the courage to sit down and honestly tackle issues that hold the country or its peoples down. So we need this awareness first before any progress can happen.

Onlytruth:
I wonder what was the most compelling reason (apart from business expediency) for merging the two parts

But, I'm really not into blaming the colonial masters. I'm more into telling ourselves the truth about why we became a nation and why 2 million had to die to keep it one.

Plus, what has changed to prove the dead wrong? I need concrete answers, not slogans like "we will get there some day".

"Hope is not a strategy"

-Kevin Madden

I wonder what was the most compelling reason (apart from business expediency) for merging the two parts

But, I'm really not into blaming the colonial masters. I'm more into telling ourselves the truth about why we became a nation and why 2 million had to die to keep it one.

The way some people defend Naija here, you would think the country was always one. FACT: it wasn't!

naijaking1:
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http://allafrica.com/stories/200811150077.html


Another round of crisis is brewing between the Urhobo of Warri and the Ijaw of Ogbe-Ijoh kingdom following alleged marginalization of the Ijaw in the composition of the Agbarha Community Development Committee, CDC, even as the Ijaws have petitioned the state government of the impending clash.

Governor Emmanuel Uduaghan had, last month dissolved all the CDCs in the three Warri local council areas and now in the process of inaugurating another body.

The Ijaw have are alleging lopsidedness in the composition of the recently dissolved board where they were given only one slot out of the nine available slots, saying that as major stakeholders in the area, they would not accept the alleged lopsidedness again.

In a statement issued on behalf of the Ogbe-Ijoh people by Messrs Oyimi Samson, Chairman, Ogbe-Ijoh Governing Council; Goddy Okosu, youth president; Clement Tekedor, Secretary General; Madam Queen Ajemotolu, Women Leader and Chief F.P. Oweikpodor, spokesman of Ogbe-Ijoh kingdom respectively, they maintained that the "composition of the past Agbarha CDC fall short of the requirements of Section 7 of the Development Administration Law 2004 as there are more than one recognized Traditional ruler in the area covered by the Agbarha CDC.

They stated that the lopsidedness in favour of the Urhobo have now given them the "false and erroneous impression that the Agbarha CDC belongs to them alone", noting that the "Chairmanship position, Traditional representative and at two members of the CDC be given to them this time in the spirit of equity and in line with Section 7 of the CDC Law".

However, Dr. Emmanuel Urhobo, a lawyer and senior member of the Agbarha Kingdom told Saturday Vanguard that the Ijaws are only trying to create problem where none exist, saying that "We are in Warri South LGA while the Ogbe_Ijoh people are in Warri South West LGA".

He stated further that the Ijaws are on the other side of Warri river and therefore should let the sleeping dog be, adding that the history of both kingdoms and peoples are known and very clear to the authorities.


My comments:

To Ibime and his blind supporters: We're not going to develope our nation, our people, and our principles without regards to the truth.
Maybe you're the one dreaming, maybe you're lost on what's going on at home, or maybe you just want to lie without evidence like Adaka Boro, but whatever your reason for misleading folks, it's time to rethink your position.

Yes, yes, and more yes, Ijaws in the west have been fighting with everybody, Itsekiris, Urhobos, Igbos, Yorubas, Edos.
If it's a good and justifiable fight, I don't think you'll be lying about it.

Hmm, It seems like the Ijaws have been fighting virtually everybody in Nigeria including their closest neighbors, this can't be good. They may soon be singled out as trouble makers. It is one thing to agitate peacefully. It is another thing to engage in physical fights ALL THE TIME with everybody.
I like [b]Ibime [/b]despite our differences of opinion sometimes. I'm only worried about people like him in Ijawland.

akigbemaru:
The best religion right now is Islam Christianity Orisha
We taking over all around the world

Ewu ofe mmanu!

akigbemaru:
Onlytruth or Ikeaman00 (I know you recently changed to Onlytruth in July/09/2009).

I may say your insincerty makes you feel betrayed. If you want seccession, it's has to be a collective agreement of other tribes and all Nigerians. If you spew your hatred again like you did with your Ikeaman00 ID (where you had more than 3,500 comments full of slurs and expletives about Yoruba, Hausa and other minority groups) you will always lose.
Mind you again, it's not every sensitive topic you come across you may have to reply and show your hatred. Even your Biafran man said they won the battle, he said it was like a fight between David and Goliayat.
Just don't let greediness kill you people. When other groups from the East see this trait in Biafrans they tend to keep you guys at arm length.
To my surprise, a year after British announced they had discovered oil in Imo state was when OJUKWU decleared his seccesinst Biafran war.

Which year was oil first discovered in Imo? Just curious.

yommyuk:
Even some of the best babalawo in Yorubaland is in Igbomans paybook. Who no like money? Na we and una for Lagos!

U mean the ones that do money rituals right
My friend, u no sabi
Na u and who dey for lagos?
All We have to do is cast a spell on the Water of our land that any non native that drinks it should taste  fire.
Go to Ekiti - Ikongosi, and ask around concerning the non natives that wanted to flex.
old boy, u no sabi.

You think say your gods no de eat bribe? Your oracle, no be person de take care of am? Believe me, if that logic is possible, there wont  even be a single Igboman in Yorubaland. Your problem is that you hate Igbos, but can't live without them. That is why you fear and oppose Biafra. But you also want Igbo to leave your land for you. Talk about upside down logic! Na we and una for Lagos! Some of your best babalawo dey inside our pocket! Dem like money too!

OgidiBoy:
I HATE IBOS SO MUCH I WANT TO KILL MYSELF

Ha! ha!! I laugh with heavy Igbo accent!

OgidiBoy:
I HATE IBOS

We survive nevertheless! Your hate empowers us more to take over your land soon. Whether you like it or not!

yommyuk:
Finish dealing with the Ijaws first

I beg leave Ijaws alone. They don't trust Ibos either.

Don't worry about Igboman yet. We are survivors.

We the Yorubas are the ones that made u survive.
After the Civil war, where would u have gone if not for Lagos that accommodated ur lot.


Even our "African science" has since evolved accordingly
Ibo? African Science! Chocolate is not food for the Monkey.
I remember this Ibo man flexing with one Ijebu man. The Ibo man thought because of his physical attributes that he can easily beat the Ijebu
The Ijebu man told the Ibo to shut up  or face the consequences
You want to know what happen? All of a sudden, Bees came forth from nowhere and started stinging bobo IGBO.
Come see Commotion

Before the ijebu released the Ibo man he demanded 3 ducks, 3 cartoons of beer and 7 yams. This was B4 my christainity days
I was among those who ate at the feast.

I beg leave Ijaws alone. They don't trust Ibos either

When it comes to what matters (oil and resource control) they trust the Igbo far more than the Yoruba. The last constitutional conference showed them who was really after their oil.

We the Yorubas are the ones that made u survive.

No my friend! You schemed to have us EXTERMINATED. Your grand patron Awo tried all he could during the war and after the war (with 20 pounds policy). We survived anyway; on our own; out of share grit, discipline, focus and perseverance, including serving your perfidious ass. But all that has changed now. We virtually own Lagos today and the biggest pipe dream is that we will abandon Lagos for your lazy ass. We may or may not get Biafra. But we are keeping Lagos! Onye oshi!

I remember this Ibo man flexing with one Ijebu man. The Ibo man thought because of his physical attributes that he can easily beat the Ijebu
The Ijebu man told the Ibo to shut up  or face the consequences
You want to know what happen? All of a sudden, Bees came forth from nowhere and started stinging bobo IGBO.

You assume all Igbos are like that abi? Keeping making that mistake until you meet an Igbo like your Ijebu friend. You think Igboland lack "African forces". Even some of the best babalawo in Yorubaland is in Igbomans paybook. Who no like money? Na we and una for Lagos!

naijaking1:
@SapeleGuy

Thanks for the article. It's strong, and many of us agree with it.
Zik was not perfect, infact from building rental hostels around UNN for his own personal pocket, to his involvement with Onitsha vs Nnewi problem/Ifeajuna vs Ojukwu, etc; he had more than his fair share of condenmnable actions against Ndigbo.

Whether his actions were truely intended to harm Igbos, or Igbos percieved his action as detrimental, because for one thing Igbo ama eze is yet to be decided.

While we look at Awolowo and Sarduana as truely tribal champions of their people, somehow, we all know that Zik aspired to be more nationalistic than was really possible---wrongly or rightly.
Also, both Awo and Sarduana had complaints from reasonable segments of their own populations.

Your comparison of Zik's activities with those of Adaka Boro is in very bad taste, because despite strong differences with Ojukwu and Nnewi people, Zik never took up arms against the people of eastern Nigeria.

Igbo ama eze

There is a simple test to show whom the Igbo accept as their leaders. Let anyone claiming Igbo leadership [b]take a walk on foot [/b]around Onitsha, Nnewi, Aba, Owerri, Enugu, Abakaliki or any place with large Igbo concentration including Lagos. If such a person is swarmed  or carried shoulder high by a huge crowd chanting nzogbu nzogbu, then he is an Igbo leader. You'll be surprised that there are only two leaders in Igboland today. One is an aging warrior. The other is a young, small-statured man with a lion heart. No need naming names. But Igbos know their leaders.

"Specifically on Igbo leadership, the Igbo culture is very clear about what makes one fit or unfit for leadership. A thief or a traitor (sabo) cannot be a leader. Being a thief or traitor is the lowest of the lowest (an abomination or nso ala) among the Igbo. In fact, it automatically makes one an outcast. [/b]Whether one likes it or not, [b]the defining moment for the Igbo in Nigeria was the Nigeria-Biafra war (1967-70). "

I couldn't add anything more!

yommyuk:
So that's how your Oba Kosoko stopped the British in Lagos abi

have u forgetten that u will have the Ijebus, Ekitis,Oyomesi,Egbas,Egbados,Eguns and Remos to contend with.
My brother Igboman. We will send u all naked into the eastern creek.

Finish dealing with the Ijaws first. Don't worry about Igboman yet. We are survivors.

I take it you've never heard of "Odeshi" before. Like I said before, this is 21st century. Even our "African science" has since evolved accordingly!