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@Agariautos
I will suggest you report the post above to the moderator - there is a link at the bottom of the post - to the right, where you can click to report it.

@Agariautos
I will suggest you report the post above to the moderator - there is a link at the bottom of the post - to the right, where you can click to report it.

@Agariautos
I will suggest you report the post above to the moderator - there is a link at the bottom of the post - to the right, where you can click to report it.

Anyways, my concern is Rawe45 and PTC, hoping they get things sorted out. I guess I can leave it at that.

I seriously wonder why my full reply is being removed each time I send it.

Siena:
Gestapo, calm down, please! Agari has asked any interested parties to leave him contact details, so they can verify who he is, should they wish to do so.

Agari, I'm willing to take you up on your offer, but don't want to post my number on a public forum. You can contact me via YIM, my contact details are in my profile. Or just click on the YIM logo below my post count, and I'll give you a call.

Good point right there.

I would not even advise Agari to give his overseas number or address openly on a forum like this (Its not safe for him and I dont see why he has to - to impress who?), IF Gestapo wants to buy a car from him, then Gestapo should contact him as detailed on the thread.

I still await Monitor_1 or Seun

I demand Seun or Monitor_1 explain what right or rights Gestapo has to go on every thread Agari has on nairaland to write "scammer, scammer go". It ridicules everything people are trying to do to help Rawe45 and PTC sort things out.

No one has the right to call him a scammer, this is someone with a physical office address, no one on nairaland can say he has dealt with him and he has scammed him/her in anyway - there is something called Slander in the law. Gestapo would not even drop his/her number BUT will call someone with a physical office and numbers a scammer.

I personally wish Rawe45 all the best and plead with PTC to do the right thing and leave out pride OR immaturity and help the guy out. Its a very small world.

ib612:
@Onwan:

I do understand your diplomacy; luring out a cat with a seasoned meat.

Now, as i read all that Taxzzpete wrote, i tend to agree that this guy, PTCconsult, is involve in a dubious deal (prove me wrong by coming on the forum).

How is the guy going to be nabbed?

Ib62
I feel you on that man, maybe folks can call the number Gestapo dropped to get at it BUT for me, its not my way of handling issues and would face it head-on at the right time (If it still makes any sense to me)

All this nonesense about who is who will only lead to silly comments and insults. Agari will give you his number because you are about to buy his Infiniti? or because you are who?

If you are interested in his car then go talk to him, if not, let him be.

There is an issue on ground; Rawe45 and PTC, its gradually being swept under the rug and the next thing you are trying to see a copy of Agari's marriage certificate - as if you all are a bunch of priests (Holy).

Anyone can advertise, whoever wants to buy should setup a meeting and be cautious with the transaction. IF NOT, go to Berger and select your choice by the colour, make your payment and drive off - case closed.

@Robotica
Thats a very good observation BUT I think its fair we let any new dealer have their chance of patronage as any other; its left to the buyer or intending buyer to learn from comments and observations and be able to lay down the transaction rules.

There are so many people out there, both in Nigeria and overseas that have access to vehicles - even at strikingly cheaper prices than we are used to here, we should let them have their chances also - buyers are only cautioned to be strict on terms and conditions and dealers should also update transactions openly to enhance transparency and confidence.

This is my own view.

Also, personally I do not believe PTC's case with Rawe45 is hopeless, I believe it will be sorted out shortly.

@Rawe45

First of all, Its very commendable to note that you and him started off on a very good grounds and that he had been calling you to update you on steps. However its standard for some dealers here to update the shipping online where IF any delay, people can ask questions and some can even explain on his behalf of a similar experience.

Look at the 3 Series BMW by German007 or the Highlander by Inspired - they kept updating the transaction thread; you will notice that their shipping time alone might have been longer than you had waited alltogether BUT for the negligence on PTC's part to update on the web (@ PTC: Thats not a very good business approach since that transparency or online update would make ANY other intending buyer want to go your way).

For the pictures; I dont think its very important to have the picture of the vehicle on-board or in transit - as delivery to the dock and all that is handled by usually a different company.

If he called you when the vehicle came in OR when clearing, then its 70% likely the deal had been and is on course - what I see is a bottleneck in one of two things; clearing and communications between the two of you.

I beleive that his kind of person; that wont update a thread by which he met you in the first place requires you knowing that you need to pay attention to details of how he does things with you (except you insisted he should not do that - exclusivity). From the forum I know of dealers who will keep it real with you and at the same time confidential - like Dantitiki, German007, Kunle-A, Inspired, you only need to see their threads to know.

This was a very good opportunity for PTC to click himself up to an importer on nairaland by having at least you on his "CV".

For now, I would appeal to PTC with apologies to kindly pick Rawe45's calls or talk to him and try and get this things solved exclusively OR at least drop a line here. The cost of the car itself wont make him or Rawe45 and it will be a very bad thing IF that kind of money will be what will tarnish his image.

As a business man, I know circumstances would come up to challenge one BUT its always a learning phase - thats why people like Inspired and German007 would update online - its not because its what they would do ordinarily, its probably some very bitter or uncomfortable instances that thought them to better have it that way or risk their integrity.

PTC, a delay from April to May wont kill anyone - I paid to nairaexchanger.com for service parts (A and B) for one of my cars to order from ebay.co.uk; their advert reads 10 days delivery ON nairaland its been over 6 weeks now and just yesterday the things came in, the guy's number is 07037721896, he never switched off for one day BUT always sounded frustrated and helpless, I never went back to that thread, I have never seen him before and probably never will BUT once this things are delivered today, tomorrow or monday, I have sooooo many things I have already bookmarked Im buying through him immediately worth at least 14,200 - he told me he had to fire their courier, he only sent me one apology and free delivery email and when he promised to call he wont BUT never switched off on me for once.

Please understand that most of us are business people here and probably understand some factors than you even do in that auto business, we learn, you learn - thats the beauty of the forum.

Please respect the plea and get things sorted. It gets easier that way.

Thanks for that response;

Default understanding (In my own view) should be that there can ordinarily be delays in service deliveries, however the manner of communicating the delays to an eager/anxious customer can spell a lot - This will also make PTC understand that no one is victimizing anyone here, we are only after a fair and very peaceful end to all this.

So kindly let us have the following details;

1. What means did you at first start communicating with PTC by?, email?, Phone numbers? physical contact?, Please give us these numbers, emails and place of contact (IF any actual physical meetings)

2. Was the vehicle in Nigeria before you ordered OR overseas?

3. IF Overseas (which I assume so) - did you pick the vehicle OR did he give you like a brochure or a list of available ones and you made your choice from the ones OR he gave you a single option online and you made the choice?

4. Was it an auction site vehicle or an Auto trade site OR his own directly sourced option?

5. Did he give you details of the vehicle; like current (at that time) location of vehicle, VIN, Engine number, etc ?

6. After payment - Did you get a shipment confirmation? - like communicating to you that the vehicle has been shiped on a particular date with a possible landing timing - did he tell you or you had to ask? was there any email to inform you?

7. Was landing ever confirmed to you? did you have to ask OR he communicated the successful landing to you?

8. Did you know anything about clearing?, out of port thing and all that?

When did the break in communication start?

OK Rawe45
When was your agreed delivery time due for?

Very nice ride
The package and packaging is extremely tempting, like buying a brand new Nokia phone.

Happy sales

Thanks to you Nyrol, God bless you too. Its all fishy. Now I can understand why the PTC guy kept mute - they are probably not even worth him explaining himself. From the one that rejected a car he himself ordered for (Maybe because of a floor mat or a scratched bumber!) to the one who who is too busy offshore to even remember his username or password. And why the hell they both ordering Hondas from this nigga

Then give us something we can use Bre

Another thing;

Its strange that people will spend so much money on these cars and not involve the Police immediately they notice any such foul-play. Im wondering why its on this forum that any of them will be told to involve the Police.

Thats why I dont beleive the originality of any of the claims - especially when Beecrofty had been online and refused to address the issue of the car delivery.

gestapo:
Onwan, you wont do well as a lawyer, there are 2 different people involved with PTConsult, RAWE45 and BAFAMS,

RAWE45 is Beecroftys friend, and the car in question was a 2005 honda accord hybrid ( received and the returned, now no car, no refund )

BAFAMS is another case of an offshore worker who wanted 2007 Honda Accord ( didnt see a spare tire not to talk of a car )

Your interest and maneuvering on this subject is making me to think twice about your credibility, knowing what you did with your other name Chief D.

Cheers

G.

@Gestapo
First of all Im not thinking about a different line of profession so you might want to count that lawyer thing out; The Hondas is the confusing factor for me, making me think they are the same people. Secondly no one is coming with any info we can use - even the Bafams or Rawe45 is ignoring the whole thing - making it all worse.

For me, without proof or any of them coming forward, I cant call PTC Consult a fraud. And what is this about my username Chief_D, did I dupe anyone with it or what exactlt are you insinuating? Violent started this thread with a new username Police001 for his own reasons.

Its begining to look like I owe Mr. PTC Consult an apology.

Since when do they order for a car, the car gets to you, you check the VIN and other details and it matches AND after 2 days, you return the car? or ask for refund? And how come its looking like Bafams and Beecrofty are the same? Or is Bafams so Beecrofty that he is letting Beecrofty have the original bank details for payments, dates of payments, and all the details and now would rather speak or post through Beecrofty?

I dont do very well with a story that I cant place a handle on.

You pick a car online - you even have another dealer give you a free VIN check and the same car gets to you and you suddenly dont like it anymore and now you decide to ruin the dealer's name? or ask for a refund?

So IF George_D finds out that Inspired didnt include floor mats in his new Highlander, he starts posting trash about Inspired?, OR I buy Fhemmmy's Navigator and the laptop he throws in is Vista instead of Windows 7, I call him a fraudster?

Maybe its just me BUT Im begining to reverse my pointer now and Im looking for who to call a fraud and its looking like Bafams - I stand to be corrected though

Its begining to look like I owe Mr. PTC Consult an apology.

Since when do they order for a car, the car gets to you, you check the VIN and other details and it matches AND after 2 days, you return the car? or ask for refund? And how come its looking like Bafams and Beecrofty are the same? Or is Bafams so Beecrofty that he is letting Beecrofty have the original bank details for payments, dates of payments, etc ?

I dont do very well with a story that I cant place a handle on.

You accept a car and the car gets to you and you suddenly dont like it anymore and now you decide to ruin the dealer's name?

So IF George_D finds out that Inspired didnt include floor mats in his new Highlander, he starts posting trash about Inspired?, OR I buy Fhemmmy's Navigator and the laptop he throws in is Vista instead of Windows 7, I call him a fraudster?

Maybe its just me BUT Im begining to reverse my pointer now and Im looking for who to call a fraud and its looking like Bafams - I stand to be corrected though

beecrofty:
1. Who is Awokoya Bukola C.?     I don't know o! It was the account he gave me to pay into

2. How much was paid into that account in total?  1.580M

3. IF payment was made in parts, how much for each payment? 1.080M, 500K

4. When was/were these payments made?   24/03/2010, 16/04/2010

5. Was the vehicle delivered? on the right sense,    NO!

Beecrofty, kindly explain your answer to Question 5.

Or you