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DeepSight:
This is not a correct surmise on my position on Quantum Physics - there is nothing wrong with continued inquiry of every kind, this included. Rather, I only pointed out the wrong logic of those who attempted to use the apparent emergence of virtual particles in a quantum vacuum as evidence that something may emerge from nothing. I pointed that out simply by showing that a quantum vacuum is not "nothing" and there is indeed no perfect such vacuum.

Its been said that there is no nothing.

Hadeep:
Ya I know all the living being are animal on the surface of earth. But ofcourse the civilized ones, are we the human.

Of course we are humans, but we belong to the family of Homo in the scientific ranking, a family of ape.

Hadeep:
Hahahahahahahahah
Bro pls my ancient aren't Ape abeg.

ok

Hadeep:
OOk, can you tell me where you and I are from,The outcome of Me and you?

Of course, we are from ancient apes, we are modern ape.

Advertico:
may be u need to study about Him for urself instead of the tons of wrong info u are being feed. Pick up a Bible and learn about God. Peace.

Actually, I was a christian for (wasted) 22 years of my life. Wasted because I really believed in the guy in the sky during these years and I read the bible.

DeepSight:
Hello Crazycaps -

https://www.nairaland.com/570326/linear-chance/1#7369083

Hope that clarifies.

Cheers.

From the post in your link, I think that it is invalid to conclude that because something is self-existent, it is therefore immutable. Since existence is the inherent property of this "thing" as already said in your post in the link, the only criterion needed to be satisfied is for this thing to exist, not that it must exist in its original form.

I think that this self existent thing may change (morph), however, what is constant to it is that in any form of its existence, it may return to its original form and no more. And this "limit of change", which satisfies existence, is the singularity.

CrazyKaps:
@ooman @striktlymi

The energy part then pretty much agrees with the scientific stand too, and so I don't quite see a difference there. The problem comes up when people try to explain the existence of this energy.

Quantum mechanics stipulates (as far as i know) that even vacuum is in a constant flux with postive and negative energies cancelling each other out thus leaving a net result of zero energy which we observe as the 'empty' vacuum. And so the universe itself could just br a runaway result of such a reaction (with gravity being the negative energy, i think) and have sprung up from the "nothingness" that is 'empty space'. Hell, it could but be the latest or one of many that sprung up from such fluctuations. This neatly ties up the where did it all come from question, the answer being the pre Bang space.

Again, maybe a little too neatly, but wherein is the problem in this scenario? And do we really then still need an external force? Also, couldn't your Energy be the system instead? A system having observable equal positive and negative (and so a net 0) energy?

Take an analogy of a deity or one power from a fantasy novel which comprises all the good and the bad. Thus being neutral/neither.


Also, all the above physics was paraphrasing of stuff read 4 years ago and what @PhysicsQED posted somewhere earlier. So I may have gotten it wrong to some extent. If in doubt do your own research and reference your sources and let me know where i went wrong.

@bold-I think I and striktlymi agree on the energy being the system altogether. However striktlymi think that this '"Energy" is intelligent and that it is the intelligent god called Yahweh, and this is where we disagree.

Hadeep:
Jesus christ that came is A God in a man.
Christianity was form when he had gone, I didn't think he was the one that told his disciples to form certain religion with his name. What he told them as it is written in the bible was to preach to every man and nation of His salvation and resurection. And to do as He do for eternal live to be yours.
But the question to the ones that claim to be Christlike,is are they (Acting Christlike)my brother what have is (preaching Christlike) and that's why we have confusions and problems here and there.

your message is your religion.

Hadeep: And for my faith being to my parents.
Man don't you believe in the background of human creation??

All humans are brothers and sister from Adamic fall !!!!

No one is from Adam. Adam is a myth.

Hadeep:
Hahahahahahahahaha
God the author of confusion
I never think soo my Gee
I think we human are our own confusions and problems.
And for ur notice ,God was never the maker of religion, Religion is a man made confusion.
Hoping to reach throug it to God. And that's why Christian for exactly believe they are serving God by attending churches or being a Christian.
Meanwhile my faith is in the one that Created me. and also wherever or whatever religion you found yourself just be conscious and live right and the star will be your starting point.

If I remember clearly, god sent Jesus to come and save the world - that started a faction called Christianity.
This same god sent some demons angels to mohamed - that started another faction called Islam.
Other gods appeared to other people, and this started some other religions and denominations.

Besides, if god does not like this confusion, he can just poke his nose down to earth and tell us who is really right.

I can never be dumb enough to find myself in a religion.

If your faith is in the one that created you, then your faith is in your parent...

striktlymi:
Not just any energy...the Energy.

It still the same thing. At the end of everything, there is one singularity right?
The disagreement here is if i type energy instead of Energy, and that is just child play.

Onyocha: And even atheists like Stalin can be terrorists, or at least genocidal maniacs.

Stalin was not an atheist. He believed in spirits.

R94A21:
Well said and thank you for your words. Politically speaking, it's very obvious it will happen soon. But without becoming one with one's spirit, no one can predict it with 100% accuracy and certainty. After all the hard work I put into this numerology, I deeply realised 3 things:

1) humility - doesn't matter how good I am at analysing all these numbers, what matters is how close you are to your spirit, which leads to:
2) power of spirit is essential to know the future with 100% accuracy and certainty
3) power of belief can help you to get close to your spirit - not to mention myself but a lot of people on YouTube believed my numerology till the very last minute. It is the belief that initiates spiritual power which can overcome physical reality and one's logical mind. This reminds me how I could turn on and off electronics with my spiritual energy before in a semi-trance and semi-hypnotic state. Complete belief yields the god-like power that can easily overcome one's physical mind.

Weah96:
I used to drive my vehicle without entering it too. The force was strong in this young padawan until the dark side corrupted my potential.

But never mind, the force never leaves the Jedi. It's simply transformed into dormant energy.

I seem to remember there were times I could fly planes solely by mind control. But now, that potential is corrupted by my atheism.

CrazyKaps:
My qualm is chiefly with the latter half: Must it be immutable? Say I take a definition of god as one where it is, say energy, then energy can change form and convert to mass and back, theoretically (E=mc^2). So why can't this one energy also be able to change its form? If it's the most powerful or potent being/energy/existence from which all is derived why should there be a restriction on what it can do to itself? Why must it be immutable?

I seem to remember striktlymi say he believes energy is god and his god is energy and that this energy can create mater from it self, implying that it can mutate (change), since he can change from man to animal and back to god.
Its just different people with different opinion.

#If striktlymi denies this, I shall dig up those posts.

malvisguy212:
what you are saying is impossible. if you have faith in christ it mean you are a new born creature in other word b you are born of God and cannot sin,the bible say in;
1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God will continue to sin,
because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go
on sinning, because they have been born of God

Are you saying all Christ believers are saints?

Hadeep:
What matter is our action towards life in general. because if we just have faith but failed to live right then our faith is of no need. What the nature want from us is not only the faith but also our action. Moreover I choose to believe in God rather than in religion. Religion is confusing!!!

Actually, it is god who is the author of confusion, since he started all religions.

The question is simple, what exactly do I need to live right? Faith or work?

Reyginus:
Are the dumb because they like charity or they like charity because they are dumb?

No, they liked charity because they were poor. They were dumb to drop their own way of life for charity.

Advertico:
trust me that horror movie wont be fun mhen. But sorry to disapppoint sir, God isnt a saddist. He is Love. maybe we r talking about a different God

We are talking about the same god who created hell, so it can be useful to burn his own creations for all eternity, while he sits back and watch a horror movie that last for eternity. Such a jobless god. A sadist is exactly what he is.

jahstech:
hmmm, you are about to raise so many dust.

All dusts settle with time

delusion of grandeur

A woman also recently died in my area. She was suffering from stroke, she was taken to a "praying" church. She died after sometime.

god is definitely a failure if he exists or he just doesn't care.
But the truth is that there is no god.

care to tell us this secret?

malvisguy212:
FAITH;
faith is believing,in who? In the word of God (jesus)
WORK;
Salvation in christianity is the free gift of God,it is not by our doing(work) ,it is the finishing work of Christ.

Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For by grace you
have been saved through faith. And this is not your
own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of
works, so that no one may boast.

You become sinless through faith in christ.

Good, if am sinless by faith, why should I work by not sinning?
Why not be a criminal? Afterall, I have faith.

Advertico:
nope u r nt. If God should override our choice it wouldnt make us humans, it will make us robots. He knws all tins and He respects our choices.
When we give our life and choice to God then He directs thems bt even at that it still depends on you.

He gave us freewill to choose. He made all sort of sin a choice. He created hell to burn sinners. Still, somehow, he doesn't want us to go to hell? Seems like that's his plan after all, to watch horror movie of hell for all eternity.
He surely likes the spine chilling effect of hell.

Ok. Evolution is wrong. But what is true?

Ishilove:
So you're back?

Respect my God and I will ignore yours. Shikena.

You are supposed to be a moderator, meaning unbiased, not someone who gets buthurt whenever the god she subscribes to is exposed.

This is what belief in a god ever bring, death and disaster.

malvisguy212:
I thought you are serious? What is the meaning of christian? After someone accept jesus,he will be sinless a new creature bible say ''a refining by fire'' thank you for your time.

Do I become sinless by work or by faith?

Hadeep:
ooman
If i understood the guy very well, i don't think
that is what he is trying to insinuate.
If you everly believe in truth but do not act
according to truth then thats mean you never
believe.
Again if you believe in false but do not act
according to false then thats also mean you
don't believe in it..
because the bible also stated that our action is
what matters.

Ok. But which one really truly matters? my faith in god or my action?

If its action, why do I need to have faith?
If its faith, why do I need to act?

OLAADEGBU:
Shame on the devil.

no, its shame on the religious.

frosbel:
You have to be brainwashed by religious propaganda to believe in this nonsense.

If it does not make logical sense it is false.

Hell is the only weapon they have left to 'convert' souls and rob them off their hard earned money.

If character played a role in preaching the gospel 90% of churches will be empty.

frosbel, did you just activate your thinking faculty?

Reyginus:
Let me still follow you train. Why did they liked charity and education?

because they were dumb, hungry and poor...

dont mean it as it sounds....

Reyginus:
Do you still blame our fathers for following what logical appears to them better than what they practiced?

they didn't accept christianity because they thought it was better, they accepted because it comes.with incentives like charity and education.

Read on how your religion got to you.