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malvisguy212:
paul persecute the church and kill christians when the promise of God has been fulfilled even paul say''I do not deserve to be called an apostle because I persecuted the church but by the grace of God I am what i am today''the point is that God judge those that died before the coming of christ base on there work,paul was saved because he believe in the salvation jesus brought to the world, If you believe in jesus you will not be judge.
John 3:18.New Living Translation
"There is no judgment against anyone who believes
in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has
already been judged for not believing in God's one
and only Son.

Ok, So I can now become a Christian and start embezzling company and country money, kill people and take their properties since I will not be judged right?

I now see why there is evil and corruption in the world even though most people are religious. Its because like you, they believe they will not be judged only if they believe. smh

Reyginus:
In essence, people change religions because of superiority in the new one?

I have edited.

If you think this proves your point, you ere
because you'd be saying that somehow,
white man's religion is better than ours.

Reyginus:
Something better is necessarily superior with reference to the object drawing the inference. If it was not necessarily superior in the first place how then is it even better in the first place. If it is better then surely their is a low it is deviating from.

So back to my question. Is a 'better' thing inferior or superior to 'good' or bad thing?

that's subjective.

but for the sake of this discussion, superior.

if you think this proves your point, you ere because you'd be saying that somehow, white man's religion is better than ours.

honourhim:
No I'm not here to bow to your dictates so you cant kick me into what you want. I said God. If you want to discuss god, then find someone else not me bro. But if you want to discuss God, then lets continue.

bye bye then.

Reyginus:
Is a 'better' thing superior or inferior to a 'good' or bad thing?

I see you are using reverse psychology. Let me also get into the same game.

It all depends on how we define better. Something better is not necessarily superior. I might think something is better because I like it not because its superior to something else.

Almighty Honda, we worship you for this miracle.

Seriously now *Congratulations*. It would have been terrible.

Reyginus:
So which is better? I mean ignorance or enlightenment.

Enlightenment of couse

Reyginus:
Okay. What do you think is a state of enlightenment compared to a state of ignorance?

People often talk about visions which make them change the god they serve. That is what they term enlightenment.

Ignorance is not knowing. Enlightenment can mean knowing depending on the context and connotation. Simply put.

honourhim:
god? not for me. God i said.

This is nothing but hair splitting. Lets focus on the real task shall we? Now answer the question. Which god?

frosbel:
What is this religious fanatic saying , lol.

For your info , Christianity is not the only medium through which one can believe in God, duh !!

Seriously? I thought the only way to god was christ. Hope you realize you are in direct contradiction to "I am the way, truth and life. No one comes to the father except through me"

Reyginus:
Lol. I advise you show respect for what you do not understand.

Give me a reason why a person will change Religion?

Never did that. Dont know. But I have read testimonies of those who did and never once have any said he felt his.new found religion is superior to the other. They often talk about enlightenment of some sort.

Only from you have I learned that people change religion after having discovered that their former religion was inferior.

honourhim:
Do you sincerely have a hunger for righteousness? A hunger to know God and serve him in spirit and in truth?

Which god?

Reyginus:
I am not even trying to prove Yaweh's existence, my friend. Only trying to show you that in accepting the Christain religion the African was being rational.

If they are both myth as you'd want me to accept why then are you still of the opinion that the Jewish religion is not superior to any african religion?

Because they are all myths. They are all variants of the ancient ignorance. Its as simple as that.

People do change their religion till this day for whatever reason, but never for superiority.

Reyginus:
I don't leave my words stranded so I will outline it. You asked for one.

In Igboland the missionaries found it hard to penetrate initially due to the decentralized system operating of government at the time. They came together to examine any thought they intend to reflect as action. When the missionaries came into scene the elders and villagers again assembled to examine what to do about their plea for a place of worship. After much scrutiny and examination they came upon a plan, which is, if the missionaries' claim that their god has absolute power is true then the best place to test it is the Evil Forest.

In Igbo spirituality, their are hierarchies of powers and different Gods each overseeing a particular phenomenon. The Evil Forest is considered to bea place where rejects of society and Gods go to dwell.

The missionaries accepted and built the house of worship. As the village watched for their damnation they prospered the more. They thought to themselves, if this people survived this the only logical explanation is that their god is stronger and superior to ours. That is only natural. Read the book things fall apart to understand this better. I consider that wisdom.

To your second question, I don't see it like that. Because religion is only a part of what races have to offer. It is not as if it is the general philosophy about all things the human does. If it were so, things like homosexuality alien to African progressive and rational mind will be automatically determined by our religion.

Ok but this is not a prove of yahweh's existence. The evil forest was a myth, so is yahweh. Where does superiority come from?

Once again, jewish religion is not superior to african religions. They are all just myths. And its one myth disproving the other, chicken fight.

honourhim:
Yes God ministers the truth to you and to everybody but its the state of your heart in accepting his message that is the issue.

Ok, to begin with, how do I know which god exactly is ministering to me and how do I know if what he's ministering is the "truth"?
And what is this truth?

honourhim:
Some atheists knew the truth in the past but deliberately rejected it because they felt it was too bitter for them to swallow, it restricts their freedom to engage in some of the things they want to do. Such people hardly open their heart to the truth

Some became atheists out of confusion and such people are always willing to take another step again in their walk with God when they receive light to some extent in some of the dark areas.

Some others were born atheists and when such people earnestly desire to know the truth about God, He never fails to minister to such people when they are sincere in their search.

Uhm, ok but does god minister the truth to atheists who are practical atheists presently, like me? That is the question and it requires a simpe yes or no.

malvisguy212:
the law has not yet made active, is no theological problem but GOD IS ALL KNOWING, God judge him however that was not the sin that lead to his judgment, he was a murderer. Thank you for your time. My battery is low.

Am sorry about your battery but Paul too was a murderer, even after the laws have been given, yet no where was it written that he was judged.

Does your god operate double standard in judgement?

honourhim:
You have a conscience right? Those who never came across the bible or the word of God in the past before they died will be judged according to their conscience. There are basic wrongs which you dont even need anybody to tell you that you are wrong when you do them. Your conscience pricks you immediately you do them, once it happens and you feel sorry about it and refrain from doing them again it means you have a genuine intention to live right.

God will always minister the truth to us in our hearts or through someone or a book or however, the way we react to it is what matters.

Does god minister the truth to atheists too?

malvisguy212:
God has already judge cain after he killed his brother,all the event happen before the promise(gifft) of God has been fulfilled in the person of christ jesus,so yes God judge him according to his work.

Ok, but this contradicts what you said here...

malvisguy212: all of these events happened before the law was given. According to the Apostle Paul, when there is no law, there can be no violation of the law or sin. So, since the law against Inbreeding was not given until thousands of years later, there was no theological problem with Cain marrying his sister.

If there was no 'theological problem ' with Cain marrying his sister, why then should he be judged for it? Work or not!

malvisguy212:
those who died before the coming of jesus are judge base on there work, the book of revelation made this clear.

ok, so Cain too will be judged for in.cest by 'work' right?

Dapo777:
Abi ooo help me tell dem oo

Is this one of your sarcasms?

malvisguy212:
they will here the gospel,as long as the world is not yet come to end,it may mean some people has not heard.
bible say the gospel shall be preach to all nation then the end will come,it not yet the end of the world so this question is invalid. However there are evidence that say the gospel has been preach to most nation.

I thought I made it clear that I was referring to those who are dead, in the past, whom the bible never got to.

Reyginus:
I didn't say they accepted the white religions because ours was inferior. What I said is, they accepted Christainity because it proved superior. They are two different things. Yes, I said that. But that is after proving how they figured it was superior. And what is wrong if it says something about superiority? Who is a master of everything?

So where is the white man superiority coming from?

What is this prove exactly? Can you just outline only 1 pls?

And how you do not see correlation between saying a race's philosophy is superior to another's is claiming superiority in thought and intelligence over that race is kind of making me question how you see yourself relative to the whites.

malvisguy212:
all of these events
happened before the law was given. According to the
Apostle Paul, when there is no law, there can be no
violation of the law or sin. So, since the law against
incest was not given until thousands of years later,
there was no theological problem with Cain marrying his sister.however,God is all knowing so he know what cain did was wrong,like I say earlier God caused to him may have lead to this.

You are free to choose to love God or hate him, it your choice.thank you.

great, so those who have never head of the bible will not be judged right? they will just go straight to heaven even if they are criminals? Am talking about those whom your gospel never got to in the past before they died.

since

malvisguy212: all of these events
happened before the law was given. According to the
Apostle Paul, when there is no law, there can be no
violation of the law or sin.

Reyginus:
Read it again and show me where I said Africans are inferior?

Oh, am sorry but saying our ancestors accept the whites religions because ours are inferior says something about superiority.

Reyginus: That is,
a human being is wired to follow a principle
and belief system superior to his.

you said this right?

honourhim:
Why should it annoy you if its an empty threat? People dismiss empty threats with a big laugh. Your being annoyed shows that its not an empty threat to you.

Denying God is an act of self deceit. Right in your heart the truth keeps hitting you that he exists. Stop deceiving yourself.

Actually, my own heart keep telling me he doesn't exist

exPLIcit7:
sire, they may be based on research but the truth is they are mere facts. The reason why I made mention to evolution is that I see it as the way by which the divine creation theory is disproved. Evolutionists believe that an animal can change into a new kinda specie over millions of years. This cannot be scientifically tested as it would take a long time. But based on bible's account of creation we see that God created plants and animals to produce their kinds. This we see and learn of everyday. It simply based on procreation and reproduction. Can't you see how this supports God's account of creation. And also according to biogenesis living things came from other living things through the process of reproduction. So we can infer that the present day humans came from the first persons. I know you must have heard of the chicken and egg which one came first. The truth is the egg came from the chicken but the chicken also came from the egg. So life begats life and there's possibly no way organism can evolve to give new species. All are mere facts. Or which other way can you disprove this. Or may be I should ask. Where do you stand? Lol

Actually, evolution is always being observed. Grab a copy of Richard Dawkin's Greatest Show On Earth and read about a large number macro evolution, caused by changes in environment from the 19th to 21st century alone.

Reyginus:
Your theory, my friend, encourages backwardness with a little dose of commonsense. I don't think you will still say the same if you agree to look into the very meaning of your words.

What you are asking Africans to do is to remain in a perpetual state of irrational stubbornness even when a belief has been shown to be superior to ours. You are asking for the death of reason. Humans by nature yearns for the greater good. That is, a human being is wired to follow a principle and belief system superior to his.

When Christainity came to Africa they first had to battle with the Gods existent in Africa at the time. Stories were told of how our forefathers gave the first missionaries the Evil Forest to erect a church that they may meet their death there. But they survived and won themselves converts.

As a rational people, our fathers saw the superiority and followed the Religion. The African mind follows superior argument.

what rubbish is this? Africans are inferior, our fathers saw what superiority exactly? how is the story of a god creating by speaking different from the story of a god causing thunder? In fact, our creation stories beat the Jewish creation stories by far, Yoruba scholars are now realizing this.

Speak for yourself only. if you think you are inferior to whites and so must worship their gods, go ahead, but do not generalize this aberration of intelligence on all of Africa.

I am not inferior to anyone, neither is any religion superior to my ancestor's.

What has not been proven cannot be disproved. God is only an hypothesis of how everything got here. The idea of god is no certainty, this is why faith is the most cherished virtue of the religious. They do not really know if their chosen god exist, they only believe he's somewhere in the sky.

Science has not offered all the answer, but whats certain is that religion has no answer at all, it only stops you from asking the questions by telling you to have faith.

So its a good choice you have made. Life is a quest, enjoy it.

Shame

striktlymi:
Missed you man.

Missed me? Am not gay
Kinda missed you too sha...

sinequanon:
That is a lot of ifs, followed by...



...your personal opinion, I guess, since you jumped from ifs to absolute statement.



I prefer the definition in wiki.



Circular. Your particular logical sense IS materialism. I am not bashing circularity or trying to dissuade anybody from it. I am just calling it what it is. If you are happy with materialism, which is fine, I don't see why any of you should feel offended by the fact of the circular logic.

And please nobody rant in reply. It is a waste of bandwidth.



I didn't say you have to.

In fact, I said, "each to his own", which caused your fellow atheists to start wowing and ranting.

Indeed its a waste of bandwidth ever talking to you.
Bye now.