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maclatunji: You are absolutely right @bolded. Like I said earlier, human's lack the comprehension to grasp the total concept of God. The minimum requirement is to accept that He exists.

Limitations of human brain mean we may never understand the secrets of universe, says Britain's top scientist

The limitations of the human brain mean some of the biggest mysteries of the universe may never be solved, a top scientist has claimed.

According to President of the Royal Society Lord Rees, questions about the big bang and the existence of parallel universes may be never be resolved because of the built-in limitations of mankind.

Lord Rees told The Sunday Times: ‘A “true” fundamental theory of the universe may exist but could be just too hard for human brains to grasp.

'Just as a fish may be barely aware of the medium in which it lives and swims, so the microstructure of empty space could be far too complex for unaided human brains.’

Lord Rees’s prediction has been prompted by the failure of scientists to reconcile the forces that govern the behaviour of the cosmos with those that rule the ‘microworld’ of atoms and particles.

While Einstein used mathematical calculations to build his 1915 theory of general relativity and 20th century physicists devised quantum theory, no scientist has since found the tools to unify the two.

Lord Rees added: ‘Some aspects of reality – a unified theory of physics or a full understanding of consciousness – might elude us simply because they’re beyond human brains, just as surely as Einstein’s ideas would baffle a chimpanzee.’


‘There are powerful reasons to suspect that space has a grainy structure but on a scale a trillion trillion times smaller than atoms.

'Solving how this might work is crucial for 21st-century science,’ the royal astronomer said.
If Lord Rees is right, the secrets of the universe may never be fully understood (picture shows the heart of the Milky Way)

If Lord Rees is right, the secrets of the universe may never be fully understood (picture shows the heart of the Milky Way)

He added that there could even be other 3-D universes ‘embedded alongside ours’.

'In theory, there could be another entire universe less than a millimetre away from us, but we are oblivious to it because that millimetre is measured in a fourth spatial dimension and we are imprisoned in just three,’ he said.

However, some scientists are more optimistic about whether humanity has reached the limits of comprehension.

BBC science presenter Dr Brian Cox, who was awarded an OBE yesterday, said: ‘The idea that certain things are beyond us is quite a bleak one and history does show that we can eventually overcome the most difficult of problems.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1286257/Limitations-human-brain-mean-understand-secrets-universe.html#ixzz2oUrxmnVP

@bolded. #Ouch sorry scientists- keep trying.

because he said that, does that make it impossible to understand the origin of universe? you'r greatly deluded. The source will be found, and you will here of it, this is the power of human intelligence.

OLAADEGBU: Murder is different from executions. You cannot compare legal executions with murders carried out in unjust wars, abortions and euthanasia championed by atheists.

ok so those genocide were legal?

ok, someone prayed yesterday and got $200 today and that proves god? smh

OLAADEGBU: Google is your friend, check out how many got slaughtered in communist China, North Korea or by Karl Marx.

have you counted how many were slaughtered in the multiple genocide your god commanded, not to talk of number of cities and tribes that got wiped out, not to talk of how many died in that global flood, and in sodom and the other city

OLAADEGBU: Religious wars come in at number two. Number one is atheistic communism, which has slaughtered 110,000,000 human beings. The problem isn't religion or atheism, but evil (sinful) men who use religion or atheism to carry out their own political agenda.

just provide a link to back your claim. No one asked you for stories

Logicboy03: Can you explaib the logic of the video...I canrt view it on mt tablet

dont worry man, its all dumb. Was talking about humanists group fighting for separation of church and state, and in the process, a christian group that sends xmas gift to less privileged couldn't because the humanist group claim they also propagate their bible with the gift. So the judge stopped them from sending the gifts. But to someone, this is why "intellectuals" laugh at atheists. More like pseudo-intellectuals like himself.

Deep Sight: I am going to ask you one question which every single atheist I have asked has run away from, refusing to utter a word on:

Do you recognize that for anything at all to exist, something or the other must be self-existent?

Please think carefully on this question before responding.

Thank you.

You deceive yourself by saying every atheist ran away from your not so thoughtful question.

Following your so called logic, since you said for "anything" to exist, something else must self exist. For that self-existent thing to exist, another thing must always exist and that goes on forever according to your logic.

It is not safe to make conclusions when there is no evidence for anything. Concerning the origin of the universe, the best position is to be skeptical, not to rely on some dumb conclusions made by some ancient illiterate cattle herders and farmers

rationalmind: I bet you he will come back to beg the question and tell you his intelligent source has always been. He is undesigned, uncaused, timeless and such nonsense.

The religious thought that an intelligent being cannot be sourced and eternal when even the universe had a beginning is the height of foo.lish.ness

Deep Sight: Your comment is completely out of context.

That which you quoted, does not touch on the revert to gave: nor does it make any statement on the meaning or source of the universe. It does not even state that meaning and purpose are inherent: it states that people would choose meaning and purpose in their lives, over the spectre of a "chance" life and "chance" universe. It does not even state either to be true or false.

And no, quantum does not explain jack, it, so far, further mystifies, rather than explain the universe.

That which your mind comprehend is little. My post was not to attempt to give meaning to life or explain the universe, rather to tell of the fact that reason and purpose are not inherent to life, and so life does not have a thoughtful beginning.

Quantum theory explains the universe, what we haven't found is the source of the universe, and calm down, that shall be found.

truthislight: The question to ask is:

why does an immaterial being need a material eye to see ?

Such a being should transcend the body rendering the material eyes redundant.

But is the revers not the case ? Close or plug off the eyes and see how super this being is. Smh.

Sorry but by observation, you are wrong. Blind people aren't super in any way, they are infact called the less priviledged so try again.

truthislight: Hmmmm!

Great post Ooman.



That ^ was beautifully said.

If you add the aspact of the animating force that powers the brain and body, then, the bible becomes your ally.

This animating force is not necessary. What powers you is the food you eat.

You may starve yourself and let us see if your animating will sustain you

Deep Sight: Right.

Following on from this. But before I do, I should make a brief comment on strangeness.

Most people live their lives within a "normalcy" that allows them to be completely oblivious of just how absolutely strange and odd this world, this existence of ours, is. I do not. Although it is a dysfunction of some sort, and troubles me a great deal, I live every day with an acute consciousness of the strangeness of life and of our existence: the strangeness of everything about us. Indeed, the strangeness of our very own lives.

For this is exactly what has happened, as far as we know:

In what appears a stagnant void, existing, for all observable purposes, eternally in the past, a sudden burst of matter and energy occurred. This sudden burst, as far as we know, took place about 14 billion years ago, in terms of our current measurement of time. From a single point of virtually infinite energy, the origin and nature of which is unknown, an expansion of matter and energy proceeded, the size and scale of which is absolutely unfathomable to the human mind. The size of the observable universe (not to speak of the universe, whole) is unbelievable and out of all proportion to that which the human mind can visually grasp or comprehend.

Any person who does not regard this (the sudden blossoming into existence of the universe from the point of a singularity) as a pretty strange thing to occur in a seeming void, will have to be pretty strange himself. But wait, that is only the beginning of the strangeness which I tried to convey in such light words in the intro contained in my OP.

It gets stranger. Within the same universe, there, from chemical interactions, at some point in time, supposedly, something quite special and different emerges. Something different from the dead matter about it - living organisms. These organisms grow and evolve over time. Along the way, plant life emerges, also, conscious, feeling, breathing creatures, animals. Ultimately, mankind come forth - self-conscious, thinking, feeling intelligent beings with a sense of past, present and future, and with such very strange tendencies as art, science, music, philosophy, and even cosmological philosophy, religion, as well as moral and societal codes and laws.

In this interaction, in their societies, they create galaxies of knowledge, of new learning, of ideas without limit. But, as with all other living things about them: notwithstanding the high extent of their minds, the loves and passions of their lives, their extensive pursuits: at some point - they die.

And what does this death mean. That every single man, woman and child walking on this earth, floating around the sun, within the larger universe - will lie motionless in death, and rot away. You, me, everyone.

From the first mystery of the big b.ang, what triggered it, what powered it, why it happened at all, to the mystery of first life, and then on to the mystery of self-conscious intelligent life, and on to the mystery of death, it is all a really, really odd thing that has happened, that is happening, and that continues to happen. The existence of the universe, the existence of life, and the existence of us.

Thus people seek meaning in their lives, for otherwise it is perplexing. The sheer futility of compulsory and unavoidable death, the enigma of it all, is enough to compel man to seek meaning in his life: however it is also sufficient to render man renegade, not caring one way or the other. For if all things end in death, why should man seek any ideal higher than to enjoy himself within this brief stay under the sun.

When the atheist thus preaches to the religionist, asking the religionist to forsake the coagulation of ideas which give him purpose and meaningfulness in his otherwise perplexing existence, the atheist should be ready to offer a purpose and a meaningfulness higher and better, in lieu of the purpose and meaning of the life of the religious.

The atheist would do well to understand that few people would choose the seeming perplexing meaninglessness and randomness of "chance" life, in a "chance" universe, over a meaning, a purpose and an order. Such meaning, purpose and order, the atheist should inculcate into his evangelism, before seeking to deconvert the theist.

An unenviable task, given the strangeness of all things about us, as described above. . . .

@bold - what is the meaning, purpose and order you speak of in a world where meaning and purpose to life is not inherent.
And there is nothing like order as we understand it in the quantum world, its an unpredictable world. Quantum explains the universe. So read some books ehn.

maclatunji: I claim that my source owns everything including intelligence, it is not a reversible idea.

Intelligent source for everything vs. Non-intelligent source for intelligent being.

Dont forget you also claim your intelligent source came from a non-intelligent source so you are just moving in circles.

When its about a god, its all confusion.

[quote author=rapture_ready]Judgement for their innumerable sins and unrepentant evil nature.

Even when his own people Israel sinned, and wouldn't heed his incessant warning, he punished them also.

Romans 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

#itsnothingpersonal[/quote]why choose only 1 race of many if he is not racial

[quote author=rapture_ready]Most popular bible verse;

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.[/quote]why did your god order the death of the amorites etc

Evil Brain: Like Project Fame: Divine Edition :-)

Funny thing about that story. The word baal is actually a title meaning “Lord" in the language of the semitic tribes that lived around Palestine in ancient times. It actually means the exact same thing as the hebrew word Adonai.

So when Elijah was praying to the the Lord god in heaven to send down fire, the prophets of Baal were also praying to the exact same god, except in their own native language. I'm not sure why he chose to only answer Elijah though. Maybe god is a racist.

@bold, he definitely is.

Deep Sight: ^^^ Do you really expect me to bother with a man who, in such few posts, renders such scandalous illiteracy? A man who says that there is a part of the brain called "the self" and that madness is caused by losing a part of your brain.

Lol. Enjoy jaare. I will await better denouncers of my very simple - even simplistic - posers.

You mean people with the same level of illiteracy as you? That you should do.

at last, some sense. Proving that even insanity can be healed, or at least suppressed for some time!

^^the story of Elijah is a myth

Deep Sight: Lol. I won't worry with you.

Another pointless thread.

texanomaly: The joke sections got nothing on religion. And this doesn't even include Deep Sight and ooman. I taya oo. You gotta love this place!

what have i to do with thee, o woman?

Deep Sight: Losing a part of the brain is what makes people mad?

yeah. Madness does not immediately result into blindness for instance. You dont need to loose all of your brain to loose your "self".

Deep Sight: 1. Does your body become incomplete when you lose a body part? Yes, it does.

2. Does your "self" become incomplete when you lose a body part?

except if you loose a part of your brain, then you become mad, then you have lost your "self"

Deep Sight: This is what lazy people say when they don't want to read and analyze.



A function for who?

For who to see?



Please don't be a dolt, this fine Sunday, there is no part of the brain called "the self"



O really? So your "self" is not the same "self". if you lose a body part? A finger, or an eye, for example? Do you become a different "self"?



They work together to form a complete human body sir. You have not found your "self" in any part therein.

Why have you betrayed reason?

Lazy? Maybe, but to things unworthy.

A function for the whole system.

No part called self? Not one that you know of.

there is a difference between "complete" and "different". Something may be the same thing, but incomplete. Do you need to be told that?

^^kind of solve it all. The thread is pointless.

maclatunji: Hahahaha... This guy wants to take us back to "seeing is believing". I will tackle better debaters.

you are the one who started the half glass analogy not me

maclatunji:
Say He God is one
God is He on whom all depends
He begets not nor was He begotten
And none is like him

Source: The Quran, Chapter 112.

The guy that wants a description of God should take note.

and now he quotes the quran. Is that supposed to make any difference or exclude his god from being sourced?

Deep Sight: No, dear, the brain does not have perception of itself as a brain.

Address this point: Only a person can see. Not a brain. Not neurons or sensors. Only a person. Perhaps I elaborated it better here - >

no need for stories. What is a eye without a brain, what is a brain without a eye? Complement of both makes for a function. The decisive part of the brain is the self, the self is not complete without the eye and other organs. They all work together to make a complete human. Simple

maclatunji: Hahahahaa... your logic would be valid if I claimed there are many Gods as there are many of you up to the point that you can reproduce.

I claim that God is the source of everything and is one of a kind that cannot be replicated.

#Tryagain

being the source of everything doesnt exclude him from being sourced. Just as being a parent doesnt exclude one from being born, so you still make zero sense.

You try again.

Deep Sight: Where are you?

am here, wanna see me? Could post pictures! After you post that of your god.