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Dapo777:
Hahaha,and to think someone wont see the sarcasm in my post is unbelievable.

well you got me there.... I dont do very well with sarcasm generally....

sinequanon:
To use the definition in wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism



..it is clear to me that atheism is a materialist position, i.e it is one that holds that everything is accessible to science and governed by fixed laws.

Their contention is not whether people worship, but that the entities they worship are not real. To a materialist, the only things that are real are things that can be completely controlled or made up of completely controllable elements. Deities do not conform to their reality.

[size=16pt]The atheist position is that NO deities exist, because no non-material entities exist.[/size] It is a dogmatic position, because atheists believe in a system of "evidence" that accepts ONLY the material, and rejects anything else as "error", "noise", "coincidence" etc. It is a system that filters out non-controllable elements and then says that they don't exist.

The theist position is another extreme. It jumps from recognizing the existence of the non-material, to worshiping it.

[size=16pt]My position[/size] is that non-material entities exist. Spirit exists, soul exists etc. But a spirit only becomes a god to the people who choose to worship it. A spirit will be a god to a particular group of people because they have chosen to worship that spirit. Their god is real, but not universally a god. To others, it may be just another spirit (weak spirit requiring worship).

And this addresses the earlier question of why religion seems universal. It is indeed a human behaviour for humans to worship things they believe to be more powerful than them. This tends to include the unfamiliar, things at the boundaries of our experience. The act of worship is creative and makes the entity powerful over those that worship it.

If spirits exist, if they are subject to laws in their own dimension, if they can reason logically, then they are material enough.

Everything that exist is material, but materials exist in different dimensions. That's the only difference.

What makes an atheist is a disbelief in an uncreated creator that affects human life.

Every other thing that can be shown to make logical sense is welcome by mainstream atheism, even if that is a creator. But mainstream atheism dont have faith in spirits. We do not need to.
If spirits exist, its great, but why should I believe. they do?

Dapo777:
This is the first time I am going to agree with you,I think you are right,we atheists are living in self denial,we just want to feel safe,we are scared of being punished, why didn't I ever think about this.

For example

Take a look at some prostitutes, some of them chose not to believe in the risks of unprotected sex, So that they can fornicate well and feel safe from the consequences(Stds)of their actions.

The armed robbers and assassins and kidnappers, some of them stopped believing in the armed forces(police,swat,fbi etc) So that they can feel safe from being arrested and continue with their crimes.

The pilots,some of them stopped believing in empty fuel tanks, So that they can feel safe and fly their planes without having fuel in their tanks.

A zoo keeper simply stopped believing lions are carnivorous animals, So that he can feel safe and to avoid being eaten by the lions,so he entered the lions cage to feed it and came out safely because he stopped believing lions are carnivorous.

Likewise some people stopped believing in God,So that they can feel safe and avoid consequences(hell fire) and to sin freely as much as they want to.

You Ar right. We just want to avoid the consequences of our sins and continue in it,as the case is also with other examples.

We are just scared of hell That's why we refused to believe God,likewise the way the prostitutes are just scared of STDs So they refused to believe in contacting it through unprotected sex et al.

Wow it makes a lot of sense.

You somehow implied that belief has some effect on reality. This is not true.

Believing that you wont contract std doesn't mean you wont.

Believing that god and hell doesn't exist doesn't mean they dont, if they do.

Atheism is the lack of belief rather than another belief system.

Maybe you have troubles understanding atheism, that's your business, but next time, speak for yourself alone.

striktlymi:
This man...where have you been?

I ve been around. Here and there...

striktlymi:
How true?

not so true...

davidylan:
As is usual... you are confusing strains with species... a strain is simply a subtype of a particular organism all within the same specie (higher taxonomic classification).

As i said earlier, the agouti mouse has a genetic variation that gives it a unique brown coat color, Balb/C mice are typically white, while C57BL/6 mice are black. In addition, there are numerous variants of genetically modified mice... they are all mice, unless you claim that scientists have been creating new species for the last 30 years.

Yes there are variants of plasmodium... but they are all still PLASMODIUM. None of them has evolved into completely different species with clear differences in phenotype.

I have found that you have problems with the definition of "species ".

There are about 11 different definitions, all not generally accepted definition of the term "species ", but each has its own strong point.

Next time you debate about what a species is, maybe you should first define how you understand the term.

check the definitions here

science.kennesaw.edu/~rmatson/Biol%203380/3380species.html

#No hard feelings. If you feel insulted, dont reply.

Dopeyomi:
I would rather live my life as if there
is a God and die to find out there isn't,than live my
life as if there isn't and die to find out there is!

How do you live as if there is a god?

musicwriter:
Please note that I do not belong to the cursing fellows. So, next time you want to address me you have to not insult me. You can always be civil by making your point without insulting anybody.

Newton predicted the world ending that's the info I was passing there. Will the world end in 2060?. Nobody knows.

Ok, but I know the world won't end in 2060. It won't be the first time such claims were made.

davien:
Okay....so the original singularity is not understood....the expansion that led to the universe is(to a substantial degree)...
Hence the expansion is regarded as the creation of the universe...
If you have a balloon and make two dots on it with a marker and then inflate it....those points keep moving further and further...
This analogy is an example to try to portray the expansion of a 3-dimensional plane in which two cardinal locations never converge but keep moving away from one another...
Looking into space...we observe an example of this kind of expansion analogy by the red-shift(farthest visible light) of far away galaxies..
Now....lets say you asked someone who wasn't there to witness you blow the balloon with air and asked him what indicated it ever being inflated..
He'd tell you that when the balloons contents are examined air or a gas is neccessary to inflate it...
So how do we know an expansion took place?
If the universe emerged from such an immensely dense state we should be able to still observe the heat change or radiation around any point of the universe...
Hence we discovered we are saturated by a cosmic microwave background.
Should I continue? do you understand all these?

You are only wasting your time explaining science to the religious. You'd do better counting stars.

musicwriter:
Oh Yes, I will give you prove, a lot of it.

Do you even need to ask of Isaac Newton when there are other facts of scientists believing God everywhere?. The first astronauts on the moon even read the bible book of Genesis chapter 1 on the moon immediately landing there when it struck them what was described in the bibble about the beginning was the situation on the moon.

Back to Isaac Newton.

Isaac Newton literally researched Physics with the bible side-by-side and even hinted when Jesus Christ may return using advanced calculus (maths). Of course this's information modern day science don't want you to know, but history will.

Isaac Newton religious views. Details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Isaac_Newton

Isaac Newton predict world will end in 2060. Details: http://opentheword.org/2013/10/16/sir-isaac-newton-predicted-world-would-end-in-2060-ad/

Find the biography of Isaac Newton and read it. I've done so. Or better help yourself with google. You may begin by searching "did Isaac Newton believe in God?". Hope you get help.

Ok, This is nothing but hoax. Perhaps you think everyone is as dumb as you. Newton never used "advanced mathematics" (and calculus is not advanced to me) to get 2060. He just added 1260 to 800 AD and he got 2060, and he wasn't even sure of the date. Perhaps you should read with common sense before posting rubbish here. This is not sunday school where i.diots believe everything, ok?

all4naija:
Life is a process of different chemical formations which all things come to evolve in stages to what we see to day. Life is not about humans alone but everything that exhibit one or more characteristics of what fall under bio phenomenon. Why earth existence is by chance after forming from the cosmic dust through chaotic process involving gaseous stages before turning into solid to form different universe bodies. Earth happened to fall within the Goldilocks zone where life building blocks or chemicals can be propagated at the right condition that gave rise to different organism that evolves into other forms. You exist and die like the animals you eat on daily bases or plants if you are a vegan.

That is reality not fairy tale. It is observable unlike religion and god!

You dont explain science to religious people. Reason and faith are not compatible. Dont make that mistake again.

a simple google search about language wouldnt hurt you, you know.

Such a pity to see Nigerians havent started thinking. You are all still enslaved to the white gods.

If there is no blood and if there is no sp.erm in your stuff (if it wasn't wet), then you are probably a virgin.

But seriously, I wonder why men still care about virginity these days, I don't.

The name of this thread implies its for other non christian religions, not necessarily atheists.
When I see a "non-christian" thread, I might think its for muslims.
You guys should consider changing its name to non-theist or non-religious chatbox, that way, it wont seem as a chatbox for other religions, and antichristian.

So long as no one is getting hurt or forced, and so long as children are not involved, I dont consider it any of anybody's business where anyone is forcing his c.ock or what anyone is forcing into her orifice.
Sometimes I wonder if your god love p.orn...

voltron:
my bad.. trying to squeeze too much into a small space.. a good lot of NL Atheist (indeed a global lot) offend rather than enlighten. yes the religious lot are irrational, unintelligent, simple and too dangerous to allow to continue in their ways without caution. you can do that without sounding off verbal abuse every time. what is the purpose of atheism if not for good

I formally apologize for all of my wrong then...

voltron:
going by the seeming urge to insult, demean and discount everything religious (even with reason to)rather than ignore, leave-n-let live, tolerate and still deliver enlightenment without losing your fellow man.

I don't understand your unstructured sentence.

voltron:
Atheists especially in Nigeria are preoccupied with God instead of Life. They are reduced to the grass-gnawing behavior of religious folks who concentrate on little differences instead of looking at the big picture. Love one another

you have taken an unfounded position...

italo:
This one assumes he speaks for all Atheists.

Dont be dumb. Atheism has a different meaning than atheist - atheism is what all atheists share. Atheism is what is peaceful.

Perhaps you need to forget about god and start thinking for yourself and take charge of your own life. Create the world you want to see for yourself, because there is no god who answers prayers.

malvisguy212:
the Bible make us to understand that God hate sin, He cant behold a single sin infact Sin take you away from God.the only option the harden minded man has is the testimony of one or two to believe there is God,the op deliver his testimony to you guys,what els do you guys needed? That God will come down to show himself to you?if you want Him to do so, you must called on him.
Please dont ague,if you dont satisfy with my explanation,just pass by. Thank you

And you think a "testimony" can change a hardened heart?

All my friends and family know am an atheist. I just dont hide anything about me to people in my circle.

ExtraMusica:
@OP i believe u seriously,
but please also believe me cos i know its hard. I also had a vision where Jesus appeared to me and told me he would minister to you directly.
But he ordered me to ask u for a seed of 500,000NGN and he told me to tell u not to be wary of my motives because the instruction is coming from him. Please have faith in my message and dont doubt, faith is the evidence of things not seen so please dont try to look at my profile or to do a background check. Just pm and we shall discuss.
U better believe and make sure u dont blaspheme the holy spirit cos that is the unforgiveable sin.

Double the amount, then pm me when the deal is done to give me the half

texanomaly:
I don't get you.

He's telling you to read your bible

^^people have had their taste of a lot of hallucinations that aren't true.
Heaven is nowhere, its just a place in people's imagination, it doesn't exit.

Alot of babies clutch to bre.asts too, those are signs from whom? god of the bre.asts?

The baby could have clutched to anything else, if given.

The welfare of the world is deteriorating and your god thinks more disaster will make people do good? Is your skull full of worms instead of brain cells?

Jesus is dead, that's why he's not saving you.

I'd cry to the Flying Spaghetti Monster if I were you, He is alive and still saving those who believe in him.

malvisguy212:
but you spend to much time on it.....maby you want to believe in it,if it true. Right?

are you blind or something?