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[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]what a xtian way to put it. . [/quote]not a xtian way, a pagan way

striktlymi: Ride on pastor...you really are in the 'spirit'

in the spirit of atheism, oh yes i am

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]^there are blacksheep everywhere. That quote does not apply to the entire Yoruba tribe though. it was probably just an individualistic quote. The legal tribal philosophy/religion of the Yorubas was Ifa-Orisha/Vodun.

Today the Yorubas are in the forefront of Nigerias Pagan movement.


P.S. anyone who wishes to get initiated, contact me . [/quote]Whatever man

my point is that, that quote remains valid as a regret, probably when some sects discovered the truth, the way and the light of atheism

striktlymi: You dey talk like say na only you dey travel to the other side...I have see man, so shove the experience.

striktlymi: [size=20pt]OLODO!!![/size]

PERFECT NAME TO QUALIFY YOURSELF

Debeloved87: haha...we meet again:-D...well, keep on trying, propably your voice or the grieveness of ur heart has'nt reach heaven yet. Since u ar now more concern, dnt 4get dat u ar going to cry more than the bereaved(David) to get ur answer...and dont forget david fasted for many days on this issue....so u are goin to join fasting with it ehn....lol

david did all those and the child still died anyway, so why should i want to keep on doing that.

Your god is too cruel to exist

striktlymi: Imagine the master running off to the land of the 'slaves' instead of bringing his white slaves back to Africa in order to have time for the revolt...

Delusions!!!

whatever man, you cant understand until you experience

striktlymi: Point out the lies from my posts and shame me...

striktlymi: [size=15pt]This is laughable...what has reproducing your kind has to do with evolving? Don't tell me you believe that a human being can reproduce a lion through s*x...
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among others

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]It might have. since they were Pagans, such outlooks are not uncommon in the Pagan cosmos as there is no compulsion in theism. infact, funnily enough, theism cannot exist without atheism, if we go to core Paganism. lets leave this for nohter chapter. we dont know what went on in their minds as they sat under the tree and contemplated life.

However they were never organized atheists.[/quote]I never denied the bolded

We cant know what went on their mind, but we got a folklore from them which is a form of regret : WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO OURSELVES THAN WORSHIP GODS

And i only mean the Yorubas, the Hausas and the Igbos are excluded from that quote and its origin

ijawkid: When ona meet make ""I TOO KNOW" no make ona fight amongst onaselves o............

Fight fit happen o.......

this one no be fight, devil

carry your negative energy to hell

striktlymi: See delusions o!!!

see lies o!!!

striktlymi: Most of the year implies more than half the time in a year...we have 12 months in a year...so we can conclude that you are away from Africa over half that time i.e over 6 months...

Nice way to lead a revolution...slave for the white man for the most part of the year and come back home to tell us how we are slaves of this same white man...

actually, the white man slave for me

if i slave for the white man, i wouldnt have much time to come on NL, or even think about the non existence of god

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]but the ancestors of these individual atheists, were still Pagan. It was never a movement. Even when I was a child, I used to think unicorns,etc. exist. I was never part of a movement of Unicorn believers. It was just my philosophical outlook. this is the same way atheism existed in the past. It was never like organized Ethnic-Tribal Paganism. It was just temporary outcrops of philosophical outlooks.[/quote]of course yes, it wasnt organized, BUT IT EXISTED AND SURVIVED TO THIS DAY, that is what my quotes means

That quote was a regret that we should have left all gods and face ourselves, never that they indeed left all gods.



atheism existed in my forefathers.

striktlymi: Which truth?

that the human brain is not the most complex thing in all of nature

that there is no god

that the atheist wager is just too cool and sure

striktlymi: I guess that is part of ooman's unwritten history of Africa...

SMH

you are not a Yoruba so why should I be surprised?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]show me proof of the first atheists. I knew you would mention the Greek atheists. it was never a concise movement or well defined organization like today. I repeat, just like Hindu atheist schools of thought, these were merely philosophers who studied under the Pagan school of thought and began researchiing other routes.[/quote]of course it wasnt, but it was defined as the lack of belief in god, and that is what atheism is all about. Organized or not, thats an excuse

striktlymi: You will be half a world away leading the revolution to change Africa...


#I see how you can lose your soul for Africa...

did your eyes fail when i said most of the year??

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]Ofcourse the entire world was Pagan, before the advent of monotheistic Judaism. unless you can show me proof otherwise.[/quote]sorry but naturalism(atheism by materialism) started with ancient Greek philosophers. First document of atheistic view were some 3000 years ago, indicating that atheistic thoughts were present before then.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]None of them were atheists. [size=15pt]the entire world was Pagan.[/size]

just because we Pagans have an open-world view bordering between theism and non-theism, that doesnt make us atheists.[/quote]Now is really my time to SMH back.

If the entire world were pagans, how come we have many other religions

How come atheism survived to this moment??

Or do you think Atheism started in the 21st century??

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]STOP LIEING! YOU ARE BECOMING A FANATIC NOW!

YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THOSE LYING XTIAN FILTH IF YOU PERSIST IN THESE LIES!

YOU WILL MAKE ME LOSE RESPECT FOR ATHEISTS IF YOU PERSIST IN SUCH BASE COWARDLY METHODS!

I AM WARNING YOU! YOU WILL NOT SUCCEED IN THIS MANNER! [/quote]Guy, you are taking this too personal

Is there some gains in this for you

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]do I have to be American to know who is the President of USA? *Smh[/quote]We are talking about culture and history here. smh back

My forefathers were NOT all pagans, some were atheists and i have a history book that proves this

striktlymi: What won't we hear about Atheism? New born babies are Atheists and now our fore fathers were inherently Atheist because some expressed regret on worshipping the gods?

I guess you would call the devil an Atheist for choosing not to worship God too?

I am beginning to lose track of these definitions for Atheism...

My forefathers subscribed to hard work rather than worship and prayer.

MY FOREFATHERS SAID WE SHOULD HAVE LEFT GODS AND FACE OURSELVES

MY FOREFATHERS WERE ATHEISTS, THOUGH NOT ALL, APPARENTLY.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]stop lying.

They were Pagans. just like many still are Pagans.[/quote]guy, you be Hausa, how you wan know wetin my own forefathers talk??

Debeloved87: Umnh..i think someone is just trying to create controversies here...lb if u ar so concern about the killing of David son, why not stand in front of ur house, look up into the sky and ask yahweh why he killed david son, you can take a humbly bold step like job did am sure he is going to answer you, instead of you making unnecessary hype here on NL seeking answers where you cant find.....

just tried that, no answers..... what other technique is available?

Logicboy03: Sharaap


Am asking so that I know if it is possible to meet up with you....

ehm, dont think so, am half a world away from you most time of the year

striktlymi: It's not about winning for me but you really believe you won?

Delusions man!

defeat does not necessarily mean win, its about you accepting the truth, which you did anyway, and thats defeat for you right there.
grab your dictionary to check to entries of defeat.

striktlymi: First of, I was not forced to be a Christian...I chose Christianity!

[size=15pt]Secondly, can you educate us on how Atheism was practiced by our fore fathers with evidence and not theories? Since you believe it is not foreign to Africa..[/size].

am a proud Yoruba and my forefathers used to say" Ori laba bo aba forisha sile" meaning we should have looked into ourselves than worship gods. My ancestors were inherent atheists, i dont know about yours

striktlymi: Hmmm...

rubbish for defeat

Emusan: @ooman
Now that it has been proved to you scientifical that there's a creator who made heaven and earth try to amend your ways. He's 'able and just' to accept you back no matter what you have done. Isaiah 1:18 says "come now, and let us reason together (God is calling you & I), saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool forget about caustic words you have used against Him, He's ready to forgive you. 1 John 1:8-9 says "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and truth isn't in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrightousness.

There's no much time again decide now and be save, I know you're once a Christian but never mind He will accept you.

Hebrew 9:27 says "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement"

End time is around, I pray the Lord God will give us grace no to miss it in Jesus name. God loves you and I love you too. Join the gosple to move God's work forward. God bless you!

what has been proved "scientifical"?

the only thing Emusan's thread helped me prove is that there cant be immaterial without material, information cannot send itself, there cant be a god, nature is all of material from which immaterial (which is only a delusion of material - will leave that for another time)stuff arise.

God CANNOT exist.

Emusan: You agree that information is immaterials, then there's nothing like atheist because atheist don't believe in spirit.

of course information is immaterial. And all immaterial stuff we know of come from materials, therefore, god does not exist or he is made of matter.

THERE CANT BE INFORMATION WITHOUT SENDER, SINCE INFORMATION IS IMMATERIAL AND GOS IS ALSO IMMATERIAL, THERE CANT BE A GOD WITHOUT ITS CREATOR/SENDER TOO.

Emusan: Who an I to give law (I'm not yet reach that level huh) for information. I know you've serached and browsed the internet very well if the laws of information I quoted are wrong, you would have quoted me wrong. Do your brain doesn't contain DNA?

What does this have to do with wrong laws of information?

Emusan: Logical ooman! You like prolonging issue sha.. Why no in DNA?
Or do you mean DNA doesn't have information?

dna doesnt "have" information, it is information!

Emusan: When you said you're coming back to this thread I thought you're coming to proof all the quoted laws wrong but I don't know you're with no tangible fact.

your laws are laughable because rather than prove evolution wrong, they prove that god cannot exist. You just added another point to my already full pot of reasons why god cannot exist.

Thanks man