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obadiah777: SONG OF SOLOMON 1 VS 6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept. <<< THATS KING SOLOMON. THE SUN MADE HIM VERY BLACK. HE IS ONE OF ISRAELS KING

Lie of the day.

Its not Solomon talking there but his lover, junky.

Alfaman leave that joker alone, his case is beyond salvation.

Emusan: @redcolor, if all what I've said didn't disprove evolution, philosophies of materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist) get their presupposition from materials; everything in nature evolve from materials INFORMATION (spirit) never included. Then once INFORMATION can be trace and find its place in nature, what materialism meant for?

Absolutely, nothing comes from nothing. But thanks be to God and to His glory for He reigns forever because God is a SPIRIT not NOTHING and He controls NOTHING that's why the whole universe including the person reading this post came into existence.

how can the bold make sense to you.

you say nothing comes from nothing then you say god made you from nothing? dont you see the contradiction? you see why I dont take you seriously?

once again I ask, what is the information in NaCl?

^^^ you think not taking you seriously means lack of answer. well, you are deluded. nothing you have said disproves evolution, on the other hand, it disproves god.

nothing comes from nothing. god cannot exist according to you.

Joblessness - all of you.

Ihedinobi: Is something wrong with the method I offered?

your method isn't complete, its biased.

Ihedinobi: Light takes 8 minutes to get to our planet from the sun. That means that in the 24-hr system, the minute completes 8 revolutions before the photon that left the surface of the sun hits the surface of the earth. So, where is this simultaneity you see?

yes it takes 8 minutes from sun to earth, but how many minutes does it take from any point on earth to where it terminates, say from stratosphere to lithosphere - so much less than 0. that's an infinitesimally small number and simultaneous, but still its something measurable.

Proffdada: simple when you can't see a small electron but u believe its existence then ur thoughts r too limited to believe in God's existence

I believe in electron because its mathematically proven and has been weighed, we know a proton is 1839 heavier than it.

What single evidence can you provide for god - a complex conscious being popping into existence from nothing??

Emusan: @bolded;
Which version of the Bible are you using? I'm sure if you're using KJV, NIV, Aplifier e.t.c you will see in Genesis capital letter 'G' at the beginning of God's name and singular name 'God', not in lower case with plural form 'gods'.

So the God genesis is talking about is the Creator, omnipotent, omniscience, all purposeful God of everything and He's not part of the creation.

@bold - so he wasn't created??

cool

Emusan: I can't do that for you, if truely you want to know get a Bible and begin to read It (not with carnal mind).

SERIOUSLY??

Striky where are you ooooo another duffer has turned the bible to science textbook

Emusan: I left yesterday because you don't have a concrete fact to support your claim.

Firstly, for you to believe nature contains INFORMATION means you don't know what you stand as an atheist because EVOLUTION (which you rest your faith upon) only claim MATERIALS. So recent addtion of INFORMATION disprove the philosophies of materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist).

One more time let me expantiate, INFORMATION is nonmaterial, it manifest the works of materials i.e water cycle, nitrogen cycle, circulation air e.t.c (that's why they will continue in the way their information is being passed), So for something to missed or added in materials new information has to come in i.e when God created everything it was perfect not untill new information came in when the Lord God cursed the earth. For human to evolve from apelike new information has to be passed into the DNA, for fish to grow legs new information needs to be added into the DNA, for rain to stop falling new information needs to come i.e in the case of 'Elijah'

You keep saying information of nature it's within nature itself when nature happened by CHANCE.

See the first law of information according to UDI (Universal Definition of Information).
"First Law of Information (LI1)
Information cannot originate in statistical processes. (Chance plus time cannot create information no matter how many chances or how much time is available."
Let me put more light, this law simply states that 'If happen to have billions upon billions times and billions upon billions [b]CHANCE it can never generate information, and remember NATURE happened by CHANCE.

I hope my claim is clear "INFORMATION: Evidence of a Creator".

This is why I told you to define what you mean by information in nature!

alfaman2: hmmm.
Thanks ooman. I used to think Obadiah was right but this sentence here is the eye opener.

You are right. Why would people complain about their normal colour?
Yes. I now understand. These jews were very racist and associated black skin with misery and poverty and hardship. So instead os saying "misfortune has befallen me", they say "my skin has turned black".
Spits on the bible!

And black men worship one of them.

obadiah has gone completely god-crazy

Emusan: Get this, somebody asks you to prove whether your great grandparent were nice. All you can do is either you get their history or get a physical prove.
Firstly, if you get a physical prove i.e their DNA then you can compare it or their bones. But the question is you need information first where they were buried or someone that resemble them small in behaviors. If you get their bones, how sure are you that the one you got are your parents own. Unless information is being given to direct you where their grave was located. Then if you get the bone how can you discover their true habit/characters through the bones?

Secondly, you can get a documented of their handiwork or look for someone who so close to them during their life time on earth that can help you.

Which one will you prefer?

Bible is God's word which reveal the true identity of God to man, everything athiest scientists are looking for today is in the Bible.

@bold

Seriously??

Ok, where in the bible can we find how many genes a dinosaur cell contains??

obadiah777: JOB 30 VS 30 My skin is black upon me

still the same as before

Ihedinobi: What's it say?

how to calculate time.

Ihedinobi: After you, dude.

The time a particular photon leaves the sun and terminates on earth is also simultaneous on a 24 hours clock system, but can be calculated using the speed of light so it depends on your standard.

Proffdada: Existence of God

How does not seeing an electron, an unconscious stuff answer not seeing god, a conscious person?

Emusan: Anything that doestn't consist/or lack one of the four attributes of informations isn't an information either living or non living.

Four attributes of informations according to UDI
*code
*meaning
*expected action
*intended purpose.

it is left to you to show how nature contains those 4

Emusan: Yes I asked the question and expantiate it how it against your presupposition (big b.ang & cosmos)



Never I always claim from ages God is a spirit, might and all purposeful one. He created everything and He's not part of His creation. Using Bill Gate as an example is, he has an existing information (spirit) before he can generate those information.

Remember my one of my quote (though you ignore it) I said informations can be found inside an information. He's Almighty Gos, He knows how He does His thing.

Information is part of nature, whatever information nature contains is therefore nnature itself.

If god is a spirit, does that exclude him from creation??

Information is information - that information can be found inside information is complete fallacy.

Proffdada: U hv ur answer

what answer did I tell you I was looking for??

obadiah777: LAMENTATIONS 5 VS 10 Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine

See, if they were blacks, they wont complain of having a black skin!

capisce??

kambo: @ooman nice sophistry from u but dont skim my statement. U believe in nothing creating something.

Says who, you??

well you are wrong. I dont!

kambo: I and christians believe in , a Being , who Creates something out of nothing. The two aint d same so dnt mix it up. In d nothg creatg somethg logical minds know its an impossibility. Then, assuming it were d case, then it logically follows tht creation is a random outcome and toggles along as a purposeless entity. But this conclusions are based on an impossible premise - nothing creating something! Mathematically impossible to d purists and staunch logicians. This is d crux on which ths God debate hinges. On d other hand, a being who started d process creating from Nothing somethg is anoda dimension. It attributes physical creation not to nothing (as in Nothing creating something) but to a Person, God. Logical atheism answers the question of "who/what created d world" with "nothing". There was once "Nothing" then there was something i.e the world! Christianity answers d same question with "God". "there was once nothing, then God acted and created the world, literally out of nothing"!. The bible gives some hints to how he did it but not full details. If the God side is considered d next step is to investigate ,as much as is humanly possible, those properties of this being Who creates from nothing. As mind buggling and incredulous as it seems how God created d world is a replicatable principle well expounded in d Bible so it has more credit than the non reproducible technique believed in logical atheism. because mathematically and scientifically "nothing creatg somethg " cant b re-enacted again.

All these are rubbish from your head.

I dont believe in something from nothing, I dont believe im creation from nothing. I believe in something from something.

obadiah777: lamentations 4 vs 8 Their visage is blacker than a coal;

Guy, you need english lesson. are you seriously blacker than coal?? no wonder you are miserable

Emusan: See what law of constant composition mean "The law of constant composition is a chemistry law which states samples of a pure compound always contain the same elements in the same mass proportion."

How does it relate with your claim "spontaneous"?

According to you mean the replicate. Then see what your law stated "samples of a pure compound always contain the same elements in the same mass proportion." meaning they don't replicate.

Again does nature a PURE compound?

I know you get confuse about this thread that's why it took you so long to reply.

It relates to spontaneous formation because now, we know that matter always contains baryons in constant composition, therefore a particular pattern will always be produced. This are the patterns you call design. They have no maker, nature is not designed, it only follows a gradient of patterns as its composition dictates.

you mean DNA dont replicate??

nature is not a compound!

duh?? me confused, not with you.

Emusan: You're the one who refers to the "law of constant composition" I don't need to sue you because you yourself know that your claims are wrong.

You want to browse internet again.

Waiting......

INFORMATION the third foundamental entity of nature, where does it come from?

All informations have a source/sender.

in nature, the source of information is also its container.

Information is not sent in nature, the question will be sent to who/what?

Emusan: You know I didn't support my prove with Bible but just let me quote this one so that you can have more ideas on how INFORMATION came into an existence.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created........

And God says "Let there be LIGHT.......
Let there be....and it was so.

See how informations is being generated!

Guy you are a joker.

This information you shout about, are you reffering to living things or non living things?? are there information in non living things??

Emusan: Thank God I'm not.
If nature is autotelic, why is it happened by chance? Because autotelic simply means "an event which have within itself to exist according to its own purpose"

If nature is autotelic according to you, disproves big b.ang & cosmos theories. It can't happen by chance it must has a purpose. I know you borrow that word from English it never exist in atheist realm of science.

If after typing those definitions with your own hand, you still ask your first question, then there is something mountainous wrong with you

Emusan: Yes, He's uncreated entity because He's an omnipresent, all powerful God.
Again you have proved evolution wrong (all man evolve from apelike). Bill Gate cannot popped out of nothing.

Duh?? Sorry but I only proved your god wrong. Evolution never said a complex being can pop into existence from nothing, that's your claim and you just agreed its impossible, helping me prove the existence of god wrong

Proffdada: Have u seen an atom or electron?

An atom - With an AFM Yes

An electron - Heinseinberg said it cannot be seen and its speed determined. so no

Emusan: See what law of constant composition mean "The law of constant composition is a chemistry law which states samples of a pure compound always contain the same elements in the same mass proportion."

How does it relate with your claim "spontaneous"?

According to you mean the replicate. Then see what your law stated "samples of a pure compound always contain the same elements in the same mass proportion." meaning they don't replicate.

Again does nature a PURE compound?

I know you get confuse about this thread that's why it took you so long to reply.

It relates to spontaneous formation because now, we know that matter always contains baryons in constant composition, therefore a particular pattern will always be produced. This are the patterns you call design. They have no maker, nature is not designed, it only follows a gradient of patterns as its composition dictates.

you mean DNA dont replicate??

nature is not a compound!

duh?? me confused, not with you.

Emusan: Thank God I'm not.
If nature is autotelic, why is it happened by chance? Because autotelic simply means "an event which have within itself to exist according to its own purpose"

If nature is autotelic according to you, disproves big b.ang & cosmos theories. It can happend by chance it must has a purpose. I know you borrow that word from English it never exist in atheist realm of science.


Yes, He's uncreated entity because He's a omnipresent, all powerful God.
Again you have proved evolution wrong(all man evolve from apelike). Bill Gate cannot popped out of nothing.

What does the above mean??