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Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 6:23pm On May 01, 2013
Proffdada: God precedes n procedes time and space. He predates all existence n yet to be. He is eternal
rubbish!!

you didn't answer the question!
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 5:24pm On May 01, 2013
Proffdada: Exactly, you don't know so much about God to make such silly claims about His existence. God didn't come from nothing,ALL things come from Him.
but you claim that nothing preceeded god! so what did god come from then?
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 5:23pm On May 01, 2013
Proffdada: Perfection was in the beginning before man sinned
here we go, stu.pidity in its concentrated form

how did one man's action on earth cause imperfect on mars?
Christianity EtcRe: The Tree Of Science by ooman(m): 5:13pm On May 01, 2013
OLAADEGBU: Have you got a soul? undecided
depends on what you mean by soul. if the part of my brain responsible for feeling emotions for dying people like you, yes

if a spirit, no.
Christianity EtcRe: Other Sections Are More Interesting Than This Section Filled With Duffers by ooman(op): 4:53pm On May 01, 2013
Logicboy03: smh
cheesy
RomanceRe: Interesting Class Section On LOVE And MARRIAGE... by ooman(m): 4:44pm On May 01, 2013
I think that love is the foundation of marriage
Christianity EtcOther Sections Are More Interesting Than This Section Filled With Duffers by ooman(op):
sections like romance, sexuality contain hot chicks that will make you wanna masturb...... ... lipsrsealed

programming, webmaster, computers, phones, health, education that are so educative.

the most important part is that, there are more atheists out there than in here.

Religion section contains religious people so intellectually lazy that they base the evidence of their god on their ignorance.

am outta here, but will always pass by sha.

bye cheesy
Dating And Meet-up ZoneRe: Those Born In December,lets Meet Here by ooman(m): 4:25pm On May 01, 2013
joblessness
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 4:00pm On May 01, 2013
Proffdada: God didn't come nothing,He is ALL from Him all was intelligently created,
what does this mean?

Proffdada: I still ask u if nature is based on trial n error there should be remnants and evidences of these processes not the sudden jump to perfection,
there are infact evidence of trial and error. background radiations are junks from the big bang. multiple ice ages and global warming are trial and errors of past environment till number of plants stabilized it as we have it today, and its deteriorating again.

Proffdada: i'm talking about more missing links lying around.. otherwise there will still be a galaxywide of antimatter that will randomly phase out our universe this very minute to start another big bang if there no intelligence. U knowv this probability is infinite mathematically,
we dont know so much about the universe to make such silly claims.
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 3:46pm On May 01, 2013
Proffdada: perfection of each organism to be suited for its purpose and enviroment. Perfection of physical laws binding matter and factors affecting matter,perfection of ur brain able to think at earth's gravity grin
if each organisms are "perfectly " suited to their environment as you claim, then the word "extinction " would not exist. that is one evidence against a perfect god.

Organisms are not perfect or perfectly suited, time and chance happens to all things.

natural laws are not perfect, if they are, they would not change in different environment or become useless in others eg blackhole

the human brain is not perfect, its fallible and can go insane.

there is no perfection in nature.
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 3:42pm On May 01, 2013
Miss Ope: Until u tell me how the earth and other 8 planets were formed, Untill u tell me how the natural resources were formed ,Untill u tell me how the rivers, sea, birds, e.tc were formed I will continue to refute ur theory.
Obviously, you do not know the application of the word "refute" that you used.

all your questions have empirical answers. that you dont know about geological processes beats me, you must have dropped out in Pry 6.

Your ignorance is not an excuse for the existence of god, science has all the answers, to learn them, go to school.
Christianity EtcRe: Why The Idea of God Is A Fraud by ooman(op): 3:36pm On May 01, 2013
Ihedinobi: Lol. What else is new? I'm closed to logic because ooman is unable to hold up his arguments and claims which endeavor to be atheistic.
you know, because you say these things to console yourself doesn't mean they are true
Christianity EtcRe: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by ooman(m): 3:32pm On May 01, 2013
Ihedinobi: What are you two ffools ranting about?
what you dumb iddiots failed to see
Christianity EtcRe: Muskeeto, Ihedinobi, Lb...lets Talk Here :-) by ooman(m): 8:38am On May 01, 2013
Why are you all complaining?? Why dont you keep praying for Nigerian.

You have forgotten that the silliness of you religious people is what kills us.

Am an atheist and I dont give up.

I will be the change I want to see in my country.
Christianity EtcRe: Why The Idea of God Is A Fraud by ooman(op): 7:53am On May 01, 2013
Ihedinobi: Geez! Really?
yep, you r a waste of time. cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Information: Evidence Of A Creator. by ooman(m): 7:50am On May 01, 2013
Emusan: Not that I don't want to reply you but discussing this topic with you is far beyond your comprehension because no scientist being atheist or creationist ever disprove information.

Yes I said it, He made everything out of nothing (including you & I) because He has power over nothing.

About your question ask yourself, does it contain four attributes of infromation mention earlier?
If your answer is yes i will explain, if no 'no reply'.
keep deluding yourself! where did I deny information? even though you have mixed everything up, using human definition to define information in nature, I still played along because I find you amusing!

You are right. your god has power over nothing because he is nothing.

why dont you answer your question yourself and then explain since you are the genius here.
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 7:45am On May 01, 2013
hisblud: what you should understand is the tool used to judge a concept CANNOT be used to judge another even if there might be a relation. Tools used in Mathematical concept, cannot be used to judge music. Or would it?
Another pathetically dumb reply from another unthinking human.

Do you not know that musical notes/scales are graduated in maths??

Why dont you go teach the gullible iddiots in sunday school such nonsense than tell me, a whole atheist such dumb thought of yours.
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 6:46am On May 01, 2013
Proffdada: U keep staring at the TRUTH yet you deny,the universe cannot be created from ramdomness, if so there will be a lotta mistakes from these 'trials' and their evidences. You can't construct a building without proper planning or was new york built on randomness?
you know that is the point here. there are lots of mistakes in both living and nonliving things.

nature is all about trial and error.

natural processes are goaless

So no intelligence involved.
Christianity EtcThe Atheist's Wager vs The Religious Wager - Which Is Certain? by ooman(op):
Which is certain? The Atheist wager or the religious (Paschal's) wager?

Lets see what logic thinks!

The Atheist/Nontheist/Agnostic view :- 1) There is no god because there is no single shred of evidence of it/him/her/whatever.

2) Even if there is a god, one cant be certain of which is true because there are thousands of gods and all religions claim miracles/visions/revelations/spirit/holy book/whatever.

The religious' view

1) There is a god that came from nothing, immediately became supra-complex (much more complex than the whole universe) and conscious and made everything from nothing (even though they tell atheists "nothing comes from nothing". )

2) Every religion has its own god and claims that god to be the only true, living god and its son/prophet/priest/whatever the only way to that god, eternal life and salvation.

Well, if an entity called god exist, only one god can be true because all gods are jealous of each other, their lord in jealousy being yahweh, whose name is jealous (bible). There would therefore be constant war of the gods - but there is nothing like that - so only one ultimate god is true. But who is the one?

Is there a certain way to be sure of this true god? No! Why? Because this god decided to be mute, leaving his proponents in darkness of "faith".

Now

Since all religions claim to be right and since only one can be right. Who has therefore made a better choice? He who decide to abstain in the face of uncertainty - atheist - OR He who decide to choose randomly in the face of uncertainty - the religious and their different gods.

Here is the wager :

The religious wager -

If you decide to choose one of the many gods and that god happens to be the true god, then you have lost nothing but have gained in this life and also an after life. All theists say this to atheists!

THE PROBLEM WITH IT

What if the god chosen (yahweh, allah, zeus, ifa etc etc etc) is NOT the true god? Then the more you worship that god, the more you piss the true god off! For instance, if you are a christian and allah happens to be the true god, then the more you worship yahweh , the more you piss allah off and vice versa. Destruction is therefore certain for you. Your lake of fire will burn like the supernova of a star. You are doomed for all eternity even though you are religious. tongue

The Atheist Wager

If you decide to abstain from choosing a god because there is no single shred of evidence of any true god, and when you die and finally face that true god, and he asks you - boy, why didn't you worship meeeeee and meeee only while you were alive?? angry the wise atheist will simply reply that "there were too many gods on earth, each one shouting to be true in his/her/its book and because that was confusing, I decided to abstain and decided to wait till I can see and be certain of the only true god before I offer worship to any god, so I dont make mistake and choose the wrong god, pissing you off". Then the true god will reply "My son, you are indeed wise, enter into my rest".

CONCLUSION

Eternity is much more certain for atheists than for theists.

ADVICE

My people, it is now certain that the only logical, confidently assured way to eternal life is atheism. Therefore choose wisely.
Half a word is spoken to a wise child, he deconstructs the full meaning!! - The Yorubas

Peace
Ooman.
Christianity EtcRe: Why The Idea of God Is A Fraud by ooman(op): 11:39pm On Apr 30, 2013
Ihedinobi: About your first paragraph, ooman, you are really an obnoxious discussant. Choose your words a little more intelligently. smiley

About the second, let me jog your memory a bit. You disagreed that anything can exist outside time. I presented a hypothetical to you.

The hypothetical was about calculating the period between the start of a thing's interactions and the end of them with every single event of history if all interactions occured simultaneously. This hypothetical accepts time to be a sequence of events and thus essentially a line.

Now, I asked you very simply, 'if something could address itself to every single event and process and graduation of processes on the time-progression simultaneously, could its interactions with these events etc be measurable in time-periods or not?'

And what are you asking now? By what standard I say that God is simultaneous. Now, have I yet said that God is simultaneous, whatever you mean by that? No, I have not. But I have said that God is timeless, not subject to time, outside time. Granted that God's existing outside time means that He has access to all events of history in an instant, this is not primarily the issue here.

The issue is that You have said that nothing can exist outside time. And I have asked you to prove it by dealing with my hypothetical. What you are attempting now to do with this question is obfuscate issues and muddy up everything, the very same thing you poured your energy into doing throughout my discussions with you on this thread.

Now, if you can show how the interactions of something that has the ability to compass all events of history - past, current and future - with these events can be measured in terms of time, pleasr go on and do so. But if you cannot, as I indeed think that you cannot, then let's quit the dancing around, shall we?

smiley
Because Ihedinobi's "hypothetical" is timeless therefore there is someone, who popped into existence from nothing fully complex and instantly timeless.

If pigs can fly, then your "hypothetical" is real.

Sorry, I didn't know I was debating an hypothetical character, I wouldn't have started in the first place. I have no time to debate an hypothetical flying pig or talking virus.

Shallom cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 11:19pm On Apr 30, 2013
Miss Ope: aha nothing ... Yet u cnt simply believe God ws created out of Nothing.
nothing we presently know of.

god is too complex to come from nothing.
Christianity EtcRe: Why The Idea of God Is A Fraud by ooman(op): 6:46pm On Apr 30, 2013
Ihedinobi: Lol. Ooman, dude, you really should do better at paying attention. What was my argument if not that God is not subject to our dimension?

Anyway, go on and describe what the book offers as a better method of calculating time. Or better, show how different scales affect the simultaneity that I have advocated.
Now, you are really swallowing your vomit.

So you say god is simultaneous based on what standard exactly?
Christianity EtcRe: Why The Idea of God Is A Fraud by ooman(op): 6:21pm On Apr 30, 2013
Ihedinobi: Ok? It's biased because...?
because you want to use a scale in our dimension to time someone (god) that is not in our dimension. a different scale, which we dont know of now since we haven't seen god, must be used for him in his dimension, assuming he exist.
Christianity EtcRe: Reasons A Former Pastor Became An Atheist by ooman(op): 5:48pm On Apr 30, 2013
Proffdada: what preceeds the big bang that spawned the universe?
nothing
Christianity EtcRe: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by ooman(m): 2:19pm On Apr 30, 2013
OK, whats happening here?
Christianity EtcRe: The Nigerian Humanist Seminar This Past Sunday 28/04/13 (review) by ooman(m): 1:02pm On Apr 30, 2013
Done that
Christianity EtcRe: A Message To Atheists! by ooman(m): 12:59pm On Apr 30, 2013
musKeeto: undecided

Jesus Christ:

Worshipped God all his life. Was God himself. Got stabbed, flogged, beaten, spat on and hung with nails...


Such is life.
cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: I Had A Dangerous Dream This Afternoon! Need Obadiah's Interpretation. by ooman(m): 12:56pm On Apr 30, 2013
obadiah777: SEE THIS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A REPROBATE CRETIN TRIES TO UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURES.
You must be ignored.

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