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petra1:
Weak and useless not in content . Weak and useless to bring justification. The law is good as long a sin you're not seeking it for justification.

That scripture is explicit and clear as daylight...U are d one that refuses to see it...
Did U see any where it was written that its "not in content"?
My issue with You and other tithe preachers is that U lack scripture backing for ur preposterous theories...hence no one takes you serious any more...
Putting up Ur own words to what is already clear only means U have ulterior motives...


Hebrews 7:18

The former regulation is SET ASIDE because it was WEAK and USELESS

The grammar is as simple as John 3:16
Haba...

petra1:
Check the rebuke every condemnation has to do with justification.

Acts 15:1 (KJV Strong's)
1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

I guess U didn't see this or u intentionally ignored it...

Acts 15:5 - 10
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question.

7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.

8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

petra1:
The law is good for reference . Without the law you will have no knowledge of right and wrong

Thats for a sinner but not for a new convert or believer

1 Timothy 1:8 - 9
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is MADE NOT for the RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,

Another question...based on verse 8,do U know that if u break a law,You are guilty of ALL the LAWS?

James 2:10
10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

petra1:
Except I missed the question . And I don't mind you bring them up again

Its obvious U are trying to be evasive and dishonest!!
If You said U missed the question,then it says much about ur inability not to learn Or maybe U r afraid of the questions...
Well...am going to be generous enough to offer U one of the questions while waiting for the rest...
One more time... Provide me with scriptures on tithe being an eternal principle?
If U dont know, Just be honest and humble enough to admit that you dont Know...simple

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.

9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Romans 13:8 - 10

petra1:
The condemnation of the law is not its content . Many principles of Gods kingdom are contained in the law. It's the law of God . It reaveals Gods mind about issues of life. The condemnation of the law is its inability to make a man righteous . Except he has eternal life . But having eternal life doesn't throw away the principles of the kingdom of God. That's why I asked you the question .

More Assumptions with no bible inclination!

Bro the scriptures are right in front of U...i even got U a simple translation for you to comprehend....

If God created some thing but didnt deem it fit to continue and decided to abolish it,and create a new one,why wud u still insist on obeying that same law that he condemned?

He called the law weak and useless....a law that cud not draw him close to his people...a law that alienated his people from him..
Such worthless law can not be applicable to believers in christ...

Even peter rebuked some jews who wanted to make newly converted gentiles to obey the law of moses...
Acts 15:1 -12

petra1:
I had wished for some honesty

You wished for some honesty when at every turn and twist,you keep evading my questions?
Amazing

petra1:
I'm downloading the translation.if we can agreee on a translation fine by me . I will attend to your post when I'm done

No need for a download bro....just visit www dot biblegateway dot com

Or beta still,which translation appeals to you more....We can go to "message" or "KJV" if thats what you want?

petra1:
Thanks . And to my last question . . . .waiting

I asked You tonnes of questions and you haven't answered and you want me to answer urs...?
Can i also add to the series of questions that have yet been unanswered by you...
Do U need the law of moses to make you give,honour Ur parents,give to people or love one another?

petra1:
If you're quoting. A translation kindly cite what translation pls. Also while at it . Can you have a look at scripture below.

Exodus 20:12 (KJV Strong's)
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.


I will like you also to answer . Is it right for Christians to honor parents

My apologies
ERV (EASY TO READ) VERSION
If you are in need of more scriptures or more translations,i will provide it for you!

petra1:
Christ fulfilled circumcisiom . And it was spelt out. It's not every detail of the law that' applicable . Neither every detail are principles .

Are you implying that any law that wasn't mentioned as been fulfilled is still applicable?
like burning of incense?

HEBREWS 7:11 - 20

11 The people were given the law under the system of priests from the tribe of Levi. But no one could be made spiritually perfect through that system of priests. So there was a need for another priest to come. I mean a priest like Melchizedek, not Aaron.

12 And when a different kind of PRIEST comes, THEN THE LAW MUST BE CHANGED TOO

13-14 We are talking about our Lord Christ, who belonged to a different tribe. No one from that tribe ever served as a priest at the altar. It is clear that Christ came from the tribe of Judah. And Moses said nothing about priests belonging to that tribe.


15 And these things become even clearer when we see that another priest has come who is like Melchizedek.

16 He was made a priest, but not because he met the requirement of being born into the right family. He became a priest by the power of a life that will never end.

17 This is what the Scriptures say about him: “You are a priest forever—the kind of priest Melchizedek was.”

18 The old rule is now ended because it was weak and worthless. 19 The Law of Moses could not make anything perfect. But now a better hope has been given to us. And with that hope we can come near to God.

20 Also, it is important that God made a promise with an oath when he made Jesus high priest. When those other men became priests, there was no oath.

petra1:
It's just a simple common sense , except you Just want to do entrapment (no offense) principles don't have end .

Stop evading the question..You will gain nothing by doing so..If its "common sense" like U said prove it by offering scriptures to back the "common sense" that you are talking about....Or beta still Just own up and claim U dont have proof to backup that wild and shocking claim that "tithe is an eternal principle"...Simple!!

petra1:
Is there a scripture that says there's an end to tithes and offering?

I knew U wud ask this question which is a disappointment....
Just so you know,tithe is part of the law of moses and not an ethernal principle which u r still trying to remember!
Its there in the laws of moses...

Numbers 18
Leviticus 27:30
Deuteronomy 26
Deuteronomy 14:22 - 26
Hebrews 7:11 - 20

petra1:
Psalms 110:4(KJV Strong's)
4 . . Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

This scripture proves absolutely nothing....or corresponds to tithe being an eternal principle

Are U saying this scripture quotation buttresses ur point?
Incredible

petra1:
there is also a portion where he called the tithes ordinance forever or so which I'm trying to remember .

I will give U an entire year and you wont be able to remember or find such scripture in the bible...
There is absolutely nothing like that...that was an assumption a pastor told you using "common sense" not the bible!

petra1:
Righteousnes makes you right by faith and gives you the ability to live right . Righteousness is a gift but we have Christians who ,kill ,steal 419. Adultery as a lifestyle. But they speak in tongues you see. living out the manifestation of the nature is your responsibility. That's vital experience.

1 John 2:29 (KJV Strong's)
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

1 John 3:7-8 (KJV Strong's)
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

That's why Jesus warned

Matthew 7:23 (KJV Strong's)
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Okay I get U now but am still waiting for scriptures about "tithe being an eternal principle"....pardon me for bringing it up,but I just want to ensure dat aspect is nipped in d bud..tanks!!
please don't forget to add scriptures to back ur assumptions,Thanks!

petra1:
Tithes is not only based on agric product . It's given on POSSESSIONS or GAINS or INCOME

Luke 18:12 (KJV)
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luke 18:12 (NLT)
12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income

Luke 18:12 (AMPC)
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

Totally false...this was a parable told by Christ to illustrate the gullible nature of the Pharisee...
And besides,Its unthinkable that you will use the statement of a gullible Pharisee in order to justify that tithes are paid from what he possesses...
Cant U see that his tithe payment is not according to the laws of moses....
Cant U see that his tithe is based on falsehood?
Cant You see that Christ made that parable to show that the gullible Pharisee was only trying to impress God by making a comparison between him and the tax collector?

So U now believe in the tithes made by the Pharisee more than what was contained in the laws of moses?
Unbelievable

petra1:
There is a legal aspect of our salvation and a vital aspect. By "legal" I'm talking about what christ has given , by "vital " I'm talking about experience,manifestation,working it out etc.

You were healed is "legal. But you could be under the oppression of sickness by ignorance. Living in health by the word and having dominion over sickness is vital experience

My bro am not willing to go down that path with you...
We are not discussing science or "word usage"...
Please direct ur assumptions using the bible...
Like i said,it will be beneficial...
This should be the 10th time i asked for a scripture quotation from every "assumption" U have made...
You cannot prove anything without the word...shey u know that?

petra1:
Just seeing your post while searching . I may not going into detail . But. It seems yourself just so quick to try to nail . Try understand my point first. The lengthy post would not have been necessary.

The reason for my lenghty post is to make it explicit for u to comprehend cos it wud seem like u r doing otherwise...

petra1:
There's is difference between inspiration of the scriptures and application. All scriptures are inspired . All may not apply .

Well at least we agree on some thing..

petra1:
What christ has fulfilled is not applicable. For example .the laws of diversity . Don't mix on and ass , don't wear clothes of divers materials .men clothes vs women clothes . Don't eat unclean meat Etc. Represents the gentiles. They were the unclean. Don't mingle with them . But when christ had broken the middle wall . Now in christ no gentile nor Jew . He told Peter to eat the unclean animals that they've been made clean . The door is open . Because the unclean animal represents gentiles . Christ had fulfilled that. Also the blood of christ had replaced animal blood. Christ circumcisson had replace the cut of the foreskin. You see . But the worship through tithes and offerings can never be replaced .

You were going so well but the urge to bring up tithe was too tempting for you....
If i get you well,are you saying that tithes was not part of the law of moses?
Now since you came up with this bold writeup....how is it possible that ALL the laws were replaced except tithe...
Once again we are back on square one aka status quo.....
U have no scripture to back up ur highlighted statement....i need a scripture please...i cant do some thing based on assumption...cos thats wat you are trying to say....
If U think otherwise Please do me the honour of presenting scriptures please...it will be helpful for me and others here...Thank you.

petra1:
Prayer can never be replaced.

Yes it was..bro
There are many differences between Old and New Covenant prayer, none of which can be understood unless we start by recognizing the difference in the covenants.

In Old Covenant prayer man was seeking to determine what God would do for them in the future.

In New Covenant prayer we trust what God has already done in Jesus. The word “ask” in the New Testament as it relates to prayer is “to ask with the knowledge and expectation of the response.” We know God’s will for us; it’s all the provisions of the covenant with Jesus. All the promises are “yes” for we who are in Christ; all the curses are “no” and we are qualified because we are in Jesus.

Ref:Ephesians 1:18
Ephesians 3:14 - 21

petra1:
Alms for the poor cannot be replanced,

Romans 13:8 -10
2 Corinthians 9:7
Acts 4:32 -35

petra1:
we have legal righteousness but practical righteousnes cannot be replaced . Moral laws are based on principles .

Holy Moses
Bro these statements of urs,with all due respect,are shocking...
Which one come be legal righteousness?
Please establish your facts based on the word not assumptions....
Its not based on human assumption...
Quote scriptures to back ur assertions please!!

Junia:
He will still defend himself
Just ignore him
Selective lifestyles
Tithing is a law, if he obeys it, he should observe all the laws as well
If he thinks it is a kingdom principle, he should observe burnt offering, animal sacrifices, eat clean animals only and circumcision as well

U r right bro but am not just doing Dis for just him but for believers who will one day visit this thread....
Those who seek the truth about wat they are doing..
I know wat he wants to do...he reminds me of a pastor I once engaged in a previous thread...same pattern,same ideology,same evasive nature....
The worse part is that they keep talking about tithe being an eternal principle and yet none have been able to back it up with scriptures....then how wud u defend urself or God's word if u encounter an unbeliever who challenges ur beliefs using the bible...its very sad!

petra1:
If the Bible says so , why argue with it. All scripture were given by God inspiration.

hmmm...nice so please help out bro which of those laws do u OBEY?
Its not enough to call it an inspiration from God.... just because of tithes....state explicitly if u burn incense on a daily basis....I guess u only observe tithe while leaving the rest..that my bro is called cherry-picking...
U don't keep the one that is convenient to you while ignoring the rest...

Ref:
James 2:10

petra1:
All is all

If All Na All, how many of them are you doing?
Taking the one that appears comfortable 2 U aka tithe?...you are not being truthful 2 urself....


Its very clear from the bible in Hebrews 7 that ALL laws were abolished.... even that scripture called ALL THE LAWS "weak" and "useless"..If the same God who made the mosaic laws decide to do away with them because of their imperfections and weakness,why do u still insist on bring back just one...which is tithe...?

petra1:
Ok what's really the point . Were those scriptures inspired by devil ?

The point is that not all scriptures were inspired by God...U can go tru the 613 laws...they were based on a covenant that was given to moses....but wen a new covenant and a new priest was established, a new law was in place...

And that's simply because non of the laws were good enough to make man draw close to God...hence a new covenant,new priest and a new law was established...And its all dere in the bible...why twist the scriptures just because of one single law, tithe...wat about other laws? are they irrelevant to U?


If God Almighty did some thing,changed his mind, say its not good enough and brings up some thing beta than the former,why wud his children still insist that the former one was beta off....doesn't he know Wats best for us? Or are we to dictate or tell him which one best suits us?

petra1:
Didn't Paul quote the law many times . A

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 New International Version (NIV)

Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.

To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.

To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.


I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the SAKE OF THE GOSPEL, that I may share in its blessings.

petra1:
I already said in my earlier posts that there exception of things that christ has fulfilled . The blood of christ is greater that blood of bulls but ha doesn't take away the principle of sacrifice,service,worship etc.

Saying that there are some exceptions of things fulfilled by Christ while others remain is to say the least a plot by u to twist the scriptures to suit you....

Its very clear from the bible in Hebrews 7 that ALL laws were abolished.... even that scripture called ALL THE LAWS "weak" and "useless"..

petra1:
The issue is not about law or nor pre law structure. Tithe is Gods . Whatever structure you may use

But that's the issue..
u don't declare that tithe predated the law only to jump into Malachi 3:10 - 12 which was directed to those who were under d law...
The worse part is dat u and many tithers hold on to Malachi while U intentionally ignore Deuteronomy 14:22 -29
Isn't that deceitful?
Who are you deceiving?

and besides,who are you to dictate to God wat he can or can not do?
He said the laws are not only imperfect but useless and weak...of which tithe is inclusive...why do u still insist that God only made exceptions to some laws while throwing away others...are you say God lied?

petra1:
The law is scriptures and all scriptures were given by God inspiration. Why do you think Paul quoted the law in many of his epistles .

Not All scriptures bro....
are you saying that the scripture where levites were asked to kill gentiles was also inspired by God?

Are you implying that this "scripture"
"Carry out the procedure of the burnt offering as prescribed in the Torah--Leviticus 1:3" was also inspired by God?

What about this...To burn incense every day--Exodus 30:7....is that also not a scripture from the bible?
Do you burn incense everyday according to the bible?

Are u so fixed on tithe scriptures that u forget that dere are other scriptures on burnt offerings?

Do u know dere is a scripture that forbids levites and priests from helping any one unless they are helping those close to them?

U see why not all scriptures are inspired by God?
when u present a scripture it must be matched or correlated with another scripture to get the "full gist"..

petra1:
Theses principles are already in existence in the kingdom of God ever before the law came . They were not practice at the emergence of the law. The were not Accidental actions . They were lifestyles based on spiritual revelation by God . They cut across dispensations.

Like I told u initially and am asking U now....please provide scriptures of tithe's existence even before Abraham....
if u said Abraham "tithed" according to you and other tithers,then its possible that Abraham must have been obeying a law or principle which also has its "procedures" right?
If that's the case,what were the "procedures" of tithing before the law?

If u claim that tithe is an eternal principle which predated the law,why are u still going back 2 d law to seek its ' law based procedures' aka Malachi 3:10 - 12 while leaving out Deuteronomy 14:22?

And let me add Dis...If u r still insistent that tithe is pre-law,then "burnt offerings" and "circumcision" was also pre-law....are you obeying any of them presently?

petra1:
My reference to the law was for your sake. Tithes and offerings and other spiritual principles were not based on the law. Abraham was our father of faith. And these principles were revealed in his life . The law coming 400 years later doesn't add or remove existing principle . It only made a sin on non compliance to the existing principle .

No bro ur reference is based on u trying to justify why u must tithe using the law as ur reference while u astonishingly keep insisting that ur kind of tithe was before the law...
again I ask....which law was Abraham obeying wen he was giving king Melchizedek a tenth of the war spoils and how does dat translate to monetary tithes being paid every month to a pastor or church?

petra1:
The law is reference . Without the law you will have no knowledge of wrong and right . It's Gods document.

I agree with u that the law WAS a reference which led us to Christ....but that same scripture continued by saying....now that we are in Christ,we are no longer under the dictates or guide of the law but under grace..Galatians 3:24 - 25
This scripture also relates to 1 timothy 1:8 - 9

We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,

however if u still insist on obeying the law,pls ensure you do EVERYTHING contained in the law not just tithe


James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

petra1:
Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

My bro no scripture is of private interpretation.. don't stand on one scripture alone...

Roman 10:4

1 Timothy 1:8 -9

With the law, we gentiles will still remain gentiles while d Israelites will still be God's beloved and the only beneficiaries of God's blessings...I hope U know that..

For reference:
Ephesians 2:11 - 18,Colossians 2:6 - 23

Ohh men that guy is the bomb...no need feeling inferior before any one...
"No one can make you inferior without your permission...."

Of all the response....This nailed dose whiteboys...

ACTS 15:1 - 11
Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.”

2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.

3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad.

4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question.

7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.

8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.

10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

As for my fellow brothers and sisters who have been liberated from d burden and slavery dat has bound u for so long,preach the word to everyone... let them know that God's blessings are not for sale....its free and anyone who asks in faith will receive if with nothing attached to it....

let no body deceive u into believing that u r poor or sick or unsafe because u don't pay ur tithes...dat is not only wicked but a blatant lie....

Don't fall for such blackmail....
Even the tithers who tithe are not doing it according to d Bible but according to wat their pastor or leader says...but they have deir bible in front of them but they are not studying it...

Even after trying to convince a brother dat his tithe is meant to be eaten every year while he supplies his tithes every three years to d levite(if dere was one),strangers,homeless,fatherless....he still insisted dat its meant to be given in d house of God....Haba

One thing is sure,the truth can never hide...no matter how gullible fellows try to suppress it....it will still find its way out and humiliate dose covering it...

once again,God's blessings,guidance,protection,mercy...Its FREE
let no one attach any condition wat so ever to receive things from God...

There are Christians that don't tithe yet they are stupendously wealthy....they live in good health...

Gombs:
If you were smart you'd see my point.

How many times Abraham paid tithes? It was recorded once... Doesn't mean it was the only time.

Then I asked, how many times Abraham prayed? Aside Gen 20:17 and maybe one other place (not exactly a prayer sef), I haven't seen or read him pray. If then his prayer was once recorded, does it mean he wasn't a man of prayer, considering the life he lived and faith he demonstrated?

Point is the frequency is immaterial, and asking about spoils of war.. Did Jacob go to war before giving tithes? See, I've had several tithe discussions here and you these current crop are learners... Those before you have failed woefully... Ever wondered why tithe threads don't frequent the section unlike 5years ago? Ever wondered why others don't bother coming here to join band wagons with y'all?

I'd tell you what, only a negligible percentage of Christians on NL religion section don't pay tithes and that percentage includes atheists, pagans, and their likes and then your type.

If you don't want to pay tithe, fine... Please don't disturb those doing, you lot aren't smarter than the rest paying tithes... It is not Compulsory, just like nothing in Christ is "by force"

Cheers.

that my bro is not true....
Stop saying things you don't know just to win an argument....
dere are more Christians who have been liberated from the tithe manipulation...
if dey even go to former thread,dey won't want to know who won an argument but who was able to present valid and clear points from the bible....
one of d reasons why I stopped tithing was due to the points raised in d bible...they were valid and still valid..
And I have learnt a lot from many tithers and non-tithers....
Whether u want to believe it or not,more believers will come to dat knowledge and will depart from tithe...
Its already happening...and Dis will make some assemblies dat were not founded or rooted in God,who only want to hold on to tithe as a means of survival will come down before our very eyes...

kolaish:
Tithe goes to the house of God and not pastor, get that straight. In my church, there is a church council that determines how the tithe is administered; to the poor, needy and others. Stop making a mistake thinking that every tithe goes to the pastor.

not according to the bible...
Cos according to my bible,you being a tither sud eat ur tithe every year while you supply ur tithes every three years to the levites,the homeless and strangers....unfortunately,Ur pastor receives the tithes on behalf of christ.....Which is unknown to you.....
Am not stopping you from tithing but for christ sake take up that bible and study it....dont always allow ur pastor tell u the scripture to open...haba

kolaish:
If you are not a tither, why are you hell bent on convincing me on eating tithe, even when I have given you reason why I pays my tithe regularly and all have went well for me. So, why are you more particular about eating tithe, when you yourself don't even eat it or even observe it.

bro U said u tithe but u r not even doing so according to scripture but based on wat the pastor of the church u attend told you....wat i simply did was to challenge d validity of ur tithe beliefs am not convinced that u have prior knowledge of wat u r practicing.....
Cos the tithe u r practicing is not even in the bible....?
If u tink am lying,show scriptures to prove that a pastor must receive ur tithe on behalf of God
And yes...i don't tithe....!

kolaish:
Oga, Go and eat your tithe, I do not have any problem with it. Sincerely, between man and God, when last did you observe this eating of tithe the way you are arguing?

Bro u make me laugh
I dont need to eat my tithe because am no tither...only tithers are meant to eat of their tithe every year ...and i guess thats some thing u just knew today....its in the bible bro....am not the one that put it there...
Am happy that you actually took time to read that scripture....now compare it to wat u have been doing and see if its the same ...

Junia:
I think pastors cannot use both Deuteronomy and Malachi because for Deuteronomy this modern tithe will not even fit and for Malachi .. it was written to the Levites .. both Priests and non priest. I dont know if their members dont read the Bible themselves

kolaish:
Mal:3:7: Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
Mal:3:8: Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal:3:9: Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal:3:10: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
Mal:3:11: And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
Mal:3:12: And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.. You can decide to be and stay with your Deutoronomy. For me and my family, the bolded is our portion. Thank you.

Hahahahahaha bro knowledge profiteth much....the same Malachi u r quoting has a relationship with Deuteronomy,Leviticus,nehemiah and numbers...
so u can't divorce Deuteronomy.... its dere in ur bible...wat wud it take u 2 study Deuteronomy so dat u minister or pastor will stop deceiving you....

well since u are not ready to gain knowledge of the scripture,let me put it up here for others to see wat they have been doing with their tithe....

Deuteronomy 14:22 - 29

22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. 24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, 27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

U eat ur tithe....u no gree....am not the one who said so ohh....its dere in the bible but u refused to open it....but u preferred Malachi 3:10 - 12....its well

kolaish:
Remember the topic of this thread "Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe". I am not a pastor, direct your questions to pastors anytime you are in the church.

For real?
Bro you don't need a pastor to open up Deuteronomy 14:22 for you...i do believe that you have your own bible....
As Christians we are admonished to study the scriptures to show thyself approved onto God....(2 timothy 2:15) KJV

kolaish:
I did not force you to pay tithe, why are you so adamant/worried about me paying my tithe. Why do you have any problem with it, I am paying tithe from my pocket and not your pocket, so do you have any problem with that? Even when I have given you reasonable example to justify my actions, you will still have problem with it. I have more than 10 good examples in which I will not tell you now for paying tithe, but if I tell you now, you will term it as hypocrisy and still reads negative meaning to it. please let me be. I wish you goodluck in all your endeavours.

Bro these are simple and straight forward questions...its either u have the answer or u dont have the answer....am not stopping u from tithing its ur life.....i only asked u simple questions just to understand why u do wat u do....

If u believed in malachi 3:10,and can explain its benefits, why is it so hard for you to explain whats contained in Deuteronomy 14:22 ?

If you believe malachi,why are you having a hard time believing Deuteronomy....abi that one no dey bible?

Once again i plead and urge u to help me with answers to my questions...its in no way going to stop u from paying ur tithes....

petra1:
I didn't say I'm obeying the law . Tithes and offering are kingdom principles and the fact that they are contained in the law does not demonized them.

You are the reason why i had to bring up the scriptures and write-ups.....I provided you with scriptures to prove my claim about the law...showing that the law is no longer valid for believers...its as simple as that....

Pls come up with scriptures that backs this statement of urs "Tithes and offering are kingdom principles"......

Saying u will do some laws while ignoring others is wat we call cherry-picking....taking or obeying some laws which is most convenient for you...
Deciding which law to obey and which one to leave out....
If you are for a law advocate,then stick to all the laws....
James has a message for you
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the entire law, yet fails in one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

So i ask are you keeping all the laws since you said that the law is good ?

Pls bro am anxiously waiting for the scriptures on tithe being a spiritual principle....Thanks

kolaish:
You see my good brother, I started working in 1985 and I must tell you indeed that I worked and worked but no reasonable savings until 1992 when I started paying my tithe. Since that 1982, my finances has know no bound and all I touch turns to Gold; God has always been there for me. whatsoever stories you tell me is by the way, if you are in my position would you go back into not paying tithe (Egypt). FYI, I have a friend who does not pay his tithe (This is a life story and I am not exagerating it or mocking him), who has been sick now for over 3 years. I know for sure that Malachi was in his sound mind both spiritually and physically when he attached a promise to paying tithe; that thou may be prosperous.

You have already sentenced him to mockery....simply because he has been sick for years,you attributed it to his non payment of tithe....Astonishing
What if he gets well today?
And he never paid a single tithe,wat wud u call that? luck?

Still remember a pastor who inquired from a lady whether she paid tithe and also attributed her childlessness to her non payment of tithe...incredible
So the ministers will check if a believer has an issue and blame the person's non payment of tithe....
Yet there are successful men and women who have never paid tithes and they get wealthy every day....so what wud u say about them?
My brother pls help me provide answers to my question....its very easy....Thanks in advance!

captainrock:
What Of Church Building, renovation, maintenance, fuel for d generator, for example my church used to rent the land we use and we pay monthly before we bought the land. all dis offering we give and we still ask questions about whr it went to is nt genuine offering. u shud give from ur heart n forget about it, afterall its nt by force. tithe is ordained frm God n we ought to pay because pastors are God messengers who solicit for us sometimes and 10& to be honest is nt too much if God bless d remaining 90%.

What do they do with the offerings, prophet seed, first fruit and the rest??

dose things you quoted as being reasons why pastors receive tithes only validates my point about tithers...
All dose expenses u listed can b taken care of with a simple contribution weekly....Paul did it with the Corinthians,so I don't see any reason why it can't work now..
the early Christians in acts did the same....so I don't understand why it can't b possible without tithes...
..wen contributions are made with d right intentions,genuine and benevolent Christians will give almost "every thing" they have...
never underestimate d heart of a generous giver....

Gombs:
did you see someone call me a swindler or not? did you reprimand him?

my point is, no need being hypocritical. I didn't insult you or anyone here too

no bro I never saw it....and dat also doesn't make it right...if u claim 2 b the light of the world,wud insults make u draw unbelievers close to God...well Dats ur opinion....

petra1:
If you observe . The only condemnation of the law is it's inability to make a man righteous. The law is good . Because it's a document of right and wrong, you can't know what sin is without the know,edge of the law. But you don't get justified by it , that's all. The moral law is still kingdom moral principle . You don't go into immorality because you are not under the law. It's as simple as that
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1 Timothy 1:9
8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,

if u think the law is good,why are you not obeying other laws?
why are you only obeying and keeping one while u leave the rest?

according to hebrews 7,the law was never good cos it made nothing perfect....it was also useless because it never showed or depicted d true picture of God our father...
true d law was good but it was never meant for a believer...
Ephesians 2:14
Colossians 2:6 - 23
Romans 10:4


Galatians 3:19 - 25

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith, j we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

the law was only meant to lead us to Christ...but once we have been led to Christ,d dictates and practices of the law has no effect on us....

dere used to be a popular illustration....if u are travelling to Lagos from portharcourt.... and u needed two buses to get dere.....let's say d first bus will take you to Edo state,and u board Anoda bus to Lagos....
the bus from portharcourt to Benin has already completed its mission....now a different bus will have to take u to Lagos....d law was meant to lead us 2 Christ by showing us our sins,but wen Christ was revealed,d law no longer had an effect on us...in other words,we are no longer meant to abide by those laws any more...