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iamtewwy:
if i want to travel and i dint see any other company to travel with and na only peace mass transit is available ill better treck from owerri to lagos than patronize this company.... GOD IS GOOD MOTORS is d best transport comp in 9ja



pls click like for God is GOOD motors

True!

Sammypope4all:
Brother, I've been plying peace mass transit for the past 3 years now and I can attest for their professionalism when it comes to driving. This guys don't run above 100, they stick to the rules of the road( as I have observed? and the drivers go on yearly courses.

Accident happen everyday but it becomes a news when it has to do with peace mass transit. This guys change vehicle almost every year.

SHM Nigerian bloggers......Dangote Truck kills almost everyday and it's termed accident: when the same happens with peace mass transit they term it something else

bro different strokes for different folks....IMO peace mass transit remains a death trap any day at anytime....
I wont even wish my enemy travels with peace mass...Thats a testament to how reckless their drivers are....
Most of the accidents esp on the south-east or south-south has been attributed to that transport company..They have little or no regard for human life!
The reason why we dont get to hear such accidents involving peace mass is because they send their people to wipe off their company names from their buses...
Enter Peace mass at Ur own risk....

Do ur own findings

lovely and moving song....simi is super!!

Splinz:
I've already advise you. If you can't deal with those truths as already presented, then sorry, I can't indulge you.

Sorry i didnt say i needed one...i only asked U a simple question...These moments of evasion would have been used to bring up dose "scriptures"

Splinz:
I have seen your long, distorted truths of a thread against the Law, how it has been abolished. Of course, it is simply one of those pitiable arguments that one can't help but shake the head in utter bewilderment.

Well thats why i want to find out from U how some laws were abolished and some remained....It will be interesting to know...besides,we are all here to learn unless U are the type who thinks He can't reason or comprehend with a fellow christian on scripture discussions...Maybe U have placed ur self to a height where U feel U dont need 2 learn anything from anyone esp a fellow christian

Splinz:
So you see, I know you're not a true seeker but one looking for blind arguments. That is what I wouldn't do. You can find some other person.

I just noticed that U were trying to run away and i simply called U back cos i thought U haven't even provided me with the said scriptures...and contrary to ur some what limited opinions,am a truth seeker who would like to reason with fellow Christians based on the scriptures!
If U know what U teach or preach,U would not hesitate one second to put up those scriptures!
Well i guess U r not the learning type!

Splinz:
I see. Will quoting these Scriptures again suddenly make you see the truth and accept them

Sure it does...i dont see any reason why it sud be so difficult for U....

Splinz:
As far as I'm concerned, I've thoroughly dealt with this topic and proved it convincingly to those able to discern the truths, that the Ten Commandments called "holy, righteous and good" stands forever.

Just provide scriptures and corresponding scriptures.....No long story or epistle!

Splinz:
So I am done here. I can only respond to you if you're able to tackle my already submitted arguments. Of course, doing so sincerely.

U haven't even started and U are going...Is that how U prove Ur points?

Splinz:
Are you kidding me... you mean my claims are without Scriptural proofs, and you said you've seen my arguments?

All am asking is that U bring Up scriptures to back Ur claims....

Scriptures please...no deviation or long story

Splinz:
And who's using derogatory words on you

U are and U know it but thats no problem....am only letting U know just in case

Mr splinz...Let me make it simpler for U to comprehend...Am not here to fight or challenge Ur arguments
All am asking is that U bring Up scriptures to back Ur claims....
We are all here to learn....Having the mindset of one who is all knowing isnt going to help U grow spiritually....and besides,is that how U intend to teach or lead People to christ by being abusive and derogatory?

but honor the Messiah as Lord in your hearts. Always be ready to give a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you. However, do this with gentleness and respect, 1 Peter 3:15-16

Splinz:
If after going through my arguments and you couldn't find all the Scriptures you need and sets of laws abolished, then it is either you're being mischievous or lacking comprehensive skills.

Am not here for arguments Mr splinz...Just show me the scriptures....If U cant then it obvious U dont even trust the scriptures....Or U are a cherry picker...simple!

Splinz:
[s]If it's the former, then sorry, I'm not cut out for useless wrangling. And if it's the latter, please go through the thread one more time.[/s]

Totally Unnecessary.....Just give out scriptures....Or is this how U will prove U are christ-like?

Splinz:
PS: Learn to read long epistles, it is good for your soul.

I have read some before....Unfortunately,Ur over labored intro defeated its purpose....Like i said bring Up scriptures to buttress Ur points:Some laws were left out and some were abolished!
Or have U suddenly forgotten them

Splinz:
It will do you a lot of good to always pay great attention to people's opinion before responding, this is so that you don't go about making fallacious statements. Now, I'd advice you to go to the beginning of this thread and follow the discussions down.

With All due respect Mr splinz,Its a simple and direct question....It would be morally right for U to provide scriptures to show that some laws were abolished while some were left out ...failure to provide such scriptures will only make U sound like a cherry-picker!
And Yes i have gone through the entire thread and am yet to see Where U showed scriptures how SOME LAWS stayed while abolishing some....Please do so..No long epistle..Just scriptures...Thanks in advance!

blueAgent:
Sorry, if you read the verse i quoted James was referring to the Ten commandments.

If i may ask...do U have a corresponding verse to prove that it was the ten commandments and not the entire laws of moses?
For whoever keeps the WHOLE LAW but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it James 2:10

Don't You think it would have been easier for James to say he meant the ten commandments rather than the WHOLE LAW?
Providing scriptures to prove that James was referring to the ten commandments will be helpful

Splinz:
When I say they don't know what was abolished and what remained, they claimed they do. But one can't help but shudder at the height of ignorance they displayed.

Indeed, their confusion is great.

Bro kindly show everyone here which law was abolished and which one remained...I thought U said Jesus never abolished any law

blueAgent:
The Ten commandments is what God said you should obey not this irrelevant list you wrote here.

This was what U told some one on this thread...

blueAgent:
James told us that we should observe ALL the Laws

Hence i listed SOME of the 613 laws and asked if U observe them....Unfortunately,U didn't answer my question
In other words,You dont observe them....which means You are not different from those james was talking about in James 2:11

And please dont try SEPARATING the ten commandments from the other laws.....I think that has already been dealt with on this thread....
I guess God's law is now an IRRELEVANT LIST according to you

blueAgent:
James told us that we should observe all the Laws

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of ALL KJV

10 You might follow all of God’s law. But if you fail to obey only one command, you are guilty of BREAKING ALL OF THE COMMANDMENTS in that law. ERV

10 For the person who keeps all of the laws except ONE is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws.

JAMES 2:10

The following are some of the laws...Which of them do you observe?

To offer up incense twice daily (Ex. 30:7).

To observe the second Passover (Num. 9:11).

To eat the flesh of the Paschal sacrifice on the night of the fifteenth of Nissan (Ex. 12:.

To observe the procedure of the burnt-offering (Lev. 1:3).

To observe the procedure of the meal-offering (Lev. 2:1).

To offer up the meal-offering of the Omer on the morrow after the first day of Passover, together with one lamb (Lev. 23:10).

To offer up the regular sacrifices daily (two lambs as burnt offerings) (Num. 28:3).

To offer all sacrifices in the Sanctuary (Deut. 12:14).

We all have expectations in our lives: what we want out of life and who we want to become. I believe one of the keys to happiness lies within the management of your expectations of people and circumstances. If you do not have expectations, you can never be disappointed. Often we tend to believe that the way we treat others will be the way we are treated in return. But, unfortunately, this does not always happen.


You need to make sure you enter into relationships with someone who has as big of a heart as you do. If you do not, you may feel as if you are being taken advantage of or are being shortchanged. You need to find people who appreciate what you do for them and who will reciprocate these actions.


Having realistic expectations will allow you to accept the flaws each person has. We need to learn how to take responsibility for our own lives and our own decisions before we can expect others to do the same.

One of the biggest challenges we face in life is learning to accept people for who they truly are. Once you realize that your expectations cannot change people, the better off you will be. The problem will arise when the expectations do not materialize. If you find that you are going out of your way much more than the people you surround yourself with, it may be time to find a new group of friends.


Unrealistic expectations will, can, and most often do lead to disappointment. Too many people are obsessed with finding the perfect career or the perfect spouse, and as a result become increasingly frustrated when this does not pan out.

An unfortunate pitfall of having high expectations in certain circumstances is that we prevent ourselves from enjoying the experience altogether. If you feel this way in your life, you need to readjust your expectations. Do not expect things out of situations, just go into them with an OPEN MIND. This will allow you to fully immerse yourself without the pressure of living up to preconceived notions.

When you have unrealistic notions for people, you place yourself at a high risk of getting disappointed and hurt. Maybe someone did let you down in certain aspects, but isn't it inherently unfair to have these people on such a pedestal? By maintaining an accurate awareness of your own realities, you become able to determine what is truly expected from others.

Such disappointment can lead to several outcomes, including trying to get this person to change and an increased anger toward the person who is causing the disappointment. This becomes problematic since the fault lies with you for putting such pressure on this person.

There is a paradoxical issue when it comes to this. If you have high expectations, you can often end up disappointed, but if you don't have these expectations, you may not try as hard as you could in order to accomplish a goal. These tendencies can turn people into perfectionists, which is far from a healthy lifestyle.

Expect what you can, reach and be aware of the fact that sometimes life throws you a curve ball. Try to remain confident while maintaining positive aspirations; just remember not to make these aspirations so high that they are impractical or unreachable.

ACCEPTANCE is an amazing trait that needs to be actively worked toward. When things do not work out the way we had planned, it is much more beneficial to realize that is how life works rather than becoming frustrated at the situation. Have hope rather than expectations and you will tend not to be as disappointed.

LINK: http://elitedaily.com/life/motivation/stop-having-expectations/

petra1:
Tithes and offering and alms and worship will always be principles in Gods kingdom

.....and manutd go back to their original position 6TH

.....and United go BACK to deir preferred position 6th

Mr2kay2:
My samsung phone cost 150k for second hand alone if she dey troway make she just dey keep equivalent for her bag

For those asking what about hes contacts and what not niggas this is 2017 we have cloud storage now gmail etc notjing dey loss these days

Thats if he saved them on cloud storage or even knows how to use it!!
Not every one is tech-savvy

hopsydboi:
Mehn! I really learnt a great deal!

Those saying d test z too much! I am not married and not close to it either but from my parent n others around me, marriage will take more than important contacts from you atimes ... U really need a self control as much as this!

God help us

bro sorry for meddling but there is a level of patience and self control one can have....wat she did was heartless and sud b condemned by all....
No one should bring out the worse in any one cos U don't know how that person may react....If someone does that to U and U let it slide,that person will do some thing worse just to get U in anger mood!!

JohnXcel:
That girl is very immature

Stupid story.

Also add IGNORANCE to the list....She tot that taking out d mcard and sim would save his msgs,pics and whatsapp msgs....

YUNGLURD:
Am sure u didnt comprehend op's write up...He said the gal removed the sim and sd card b4 throwing it into the river.

dere are some messages or pics or apps that are not only stored on ur mcard....same with the contacts....all sim cards have a storage limit and d rest is stored on ur phone device....
It would have been different if the fone was stolen but throwing away the fone all because of a test is a no no...

Nonsense!!
Any lady who claims to love her guy will never put him to such a stupid and senseless test all for the sake of love!!
A friend of mine had a near similar experience wit his gf...his gf one evening went online and showered love to an unknown guy...she called d next and told him she was getting married and dat everything has been arranged...my friend tot she was joking...and was perplexed by her seriousness...after a while,he just couldn't take it any more and asked why she would do that to him....he felt bad and was regretting ever meeting her....after she had confirmed that her bf was really mad and depressed, she burst into laughter,and told him she was only joking and putting him to an "anger test"....my friend provoke....Lol....he refused to pick her calls...was even threatening to call off the relationship... she had to beg for a while b4 he forgave her...
Some things some ladies do all in the name of testing her bf...

why would some ladies bring out the worse in their guys?

what's really the aim of throwing a guy's fone and giving him a new one....

U can get a new sim,a new mcard or a new fone but U can never recover the lost pics or important messages esp on whatsapp or contacts that were saved in the phone memory!!

smh

@Zikkyy2...I told You

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Zikkyy2:
I think Petra1 should also provide the name of the priest that received Isaac's and Jacob tithe.

Excellent Point...Though its highly doubtful that i will get a straight and honest response from him!

petra1:
I've told you already . If you have another author in mind kindly tell us with proof.

Its up to U to tell me....U said Abraham received a revelation...not me....U said some parts in genesis weren't recorded or accounted for.
.not me...so U are d one am waiting for!

Stop getting personal with me . Or I will stop responding to you. I'm a tither and not a tithe collector as you're implying.so I consider that an insult.

Can U quote where I called u a tithe collector...

Stop getting personal . If you're out of ideas on what to post just quit. You mustn't post . Okay?

Bro if U can't show where I insulted U then that's ur problem...
See who is saying I have run out of ideas...who is the one trying to run away from discussion! Am always ready 2 engage U whether U like it or not!
U used dis tact wen I engaged ur oda moniker and U r now doing the same...U really haven't changed!
Always claiming to be the victim...wen it was obvious that U were d one hurling insults and mocking me!
Well am not so surprised,U actually ran out of ideas wen U claimed Abraham received a mouthed revelation 2 tithe...U even went further by insisting that the writer didn't cover the life and times of Abraham and his family!
If such statement of urs isn't preposterous and deceitful den I don't know wat else to call it....
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The thread is still open....whenever U receive another concocted revelation to ur tithe principle,I will be waiting for U!

petra1:
Civilization began in Egypt , that's how Moses learn to read and write .If there were books by illiterate Abraham , it would have been mentioned or preserved . No body in their line documented anything. Even the stories of genesis were not documented until Moses showed up.

Really so who wrote about the life and times of adam,noah,abraham,jacob and isaac?
Are U implying that the writer omitted "tithes as an eternal principle" but talked about circumcision and burnt offerings?
Are U claiming that a principle like tithe was so insignificant that NO writer no matter their level of education could put up?
Bro Petra1 U accused me of desecrating the word of God....What U are doing right now is totally fraudulent and misleading!!

You said no other minister except levites received from the people . if you didn't see it .the prophet was not a levite yet he received first fruits .

There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel...
Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling?
Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there?
The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!!

Don't try to insult me . I'm a tither . And thats how I wish to be addressed . When you start start talking naughty,I will stop responding to you

First off,am trying to find the part where i insulted U...Unless U have run out of words...
Please show me where insults were hurled at U by me...
U had insulted me in ur previous posts and i took it without firing any shots at U....do i perceive a withdrawal tact?

Supported by what . By what is giving in offerings and tithes .

1 Corinthians 9:13 (NLT)
13 Don’t you realize that those who work in the temple get their meals from the offerings brought to the temple? And those who serve at the altar get a share of the sacrificial offerings.

Bro why did U stop at 1cor 9:13....continue nah
Or are U afraid of 1 cor 9:14
Bro U don't work in a temple...U dont also partake in what comes out from the altar
U can not obtain shares or things from platforms that have been rendered non-existent by the priesthood of christ!
U are neither a levite nor a priest based on aaron/moses lineage...They are the ones according to the bible that have the previlage of partaking in what occurs at the altar or temple!
1 Corinthians 9:14 is for any one who preaches the gospel...!

There wasn't a book missing. There was no book. Neither books nor scrolls were invented . They were illiterates .

Moses the Egyptian scholar wrote them . The first 5 book Genesis - Deuteronomy were written by Moses . No writing nor books existed before then And I think I deserve a little appreciation for adding to you.

See lets cut to the chase....there was no mouthed revelation to Abraham to tithe!
If U can locate the scriptures,fine,present it to everyone here...If u can't,then find something else to prove Ur tithe beliefs!
Whether they were illiterates or not doesn't take away the fact that an account of their lives and times were documented!
Any other documentation either from U or any other person is irrelevant and a plot to make imaginary statements which for me is highly suspicious!

There's no place God put an end to them . There's no fulfillment for them . It's as simple as that.

This is my question...Where then is ur scripture proof,before Abraham met Melchizedek,that tithe is an eternal principle before the law?
Ur response will make me agree with U that God did not put an end to them!
Its that simple!

If three generations tithed .from Abraham to Jacob . That's more than enough. for God to raise the issue up in the law . That's additional bonus confirmation. For Jesus to endorsed it . Case closed . For Paul to mention it again . It's more than a principle . It's an eternal principle .

Three generations?
Where did isaac tithe? another lie from U!
Where did jacob tithe? another huge lie from U!
Even the bible was clear about Jacob...He vowed...If indeed tithe was a laid down law or principle like U said,Jacob would have no option but to TITHE rather than making a VOW!
A laid down law or principle is non-negotiable...its an obligation...!

Matthew 23:23 (NLT)
You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Christ made this statement BEFORE the fulfillment of the law not AFTER...
Did U expect christ to condemn circumcision or burnt offering when he was under the law?
Guy U no try Oh...All because of tithe

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV Strong's)
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Abraham was not under any obligation to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle...!
Its up to U to prove that tithe was an "eternal principle" and that Abraham was actually obeying a laid down principle!

Prove to me the scripture where God says tithe should stop.

And U accuse me of being evasive! Question for question abi?
When U accurately supply me with where tithe is an eternal principle before the law,i will pleasantly and effortlessly show U where God stopped Tithe in that same bible that U are using!

Point of correction pls . Abraham didn't commit adultery. But don't insult papa Abraham.

Blood of jesus Which bible are U using? Genesis 16:4;Galatians 4:21-23
Who did Abraham sleep with that gave birth to Ishmael?
Was it not Hagar? Even If sarai was the one who told Abraham to sleep hagar...It doesn't take away the fact that he committed adultery!
Abraham was a man after the heart of God but he was not flawless...he lied,he committed adultery,he even allowed sarai convince him to throw out hagar when hagar was pregnant!
But like i said using scripture,because a law wasn't stopping Abraham from doing such,it was never counted as a sin against him...Simple!

If you want to eat your tithe do .

If U dont eat Ur tithe,according to the law of moses,then dont claim the blessings in malachi 3:10-12..
U r a tither but U don't obey the instructions to tithe

Don't muddle the Bible .

Genesis 4:7 (KJV)
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.

The sin varied according to Gods revelation in a generation . Inter marriage with siners had been a sin from Abraham days . It's still a principle till date . And it's not nullified by the NEW LAW . It's a principle . If Abraham had done contrary to his knowledge of God . It would be a sin. Same goes for joseph and adultery

Genesis 39:9 (KJV)
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?


If Jacob call adultery a sin. Where did the knowledge come from.

Did Abraham commit Adultery or not?
Was it counted against him as a sin?
when he lied,was it also counted against him as a sin?

Joke of the day. If you will desecrated truth . Insult Abraham character and his tithes . Just to win argument . It's joke . I'm not convincing you. I don't need to try.

I didn't insult Abraham....I gave U a simple challenge and by the look of things,i don't think U are up for it!
In other words,U cant find it...Ur defense is a concocted revelation that was mouthed to Abraham which U are having a hard time trying to prove!
let me remind U again about my challenge...

If U think am wrong,prove that tithe is an eternal principle that was practiced before Abraham met Melchizedek!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

No need resorting to gimmicks or rhetoric...!

Jesus illustrated faithfulness of an average Jew . The man wasn't wrong . You are the one that didn't understand their tithing

A faithful Jew? Jesus wept! U call a hypocrite pharisee a faithful Jew all because of tithe?
Dont U know who the pharisees were? Jews who show off and U now want to compare Urself with that pharisee to justify tithe?
Chai...
Jesus made an illustration to make a lesson about the pharisee who tried to "exalt himself" by his deeds hence he compared himself with the tax collector...Cant U see that the pharisee was only trying to play to the gallery by claiming he tithed from what he got which according to the law of Moses was faulty?
....according to the law based tithe,U cant tithe of what U possess
U only tithe of food crops which Jesus stated in Matthew 23:23
Didn't Ur pastor Chris once describe a pharisee as "FAR TO SEE"?

That was second tithe for feast . Not the general tithe .secondly Money was used for tithes and offering for several reason. Especially if the man trades in animals that temple can't use. Same goes for anything temple can't use . Money was general medium of exchange. in unclean animal and perishable things .

What was the first produce that was needed initially before being converted to money?
wasn't it on farm produce and cattle herds?
And no money wasn't the general medium of exchange when it comes to tithing..
It was only an option when the place to convey the tithes were far!
Even Deuteronomy 14 made reference to that!
Ur Malachi even made reference to such when it asked for ALL the tithes in the storehouse to be brought so that there might be FOOD in the house ! Malachi 3:10
I no see money for that verse ohh

YES OF COURSE

Thank God!
Do U eat U tithe and do U instruct people to eat their tithe?
Do U also instruct that tithes be paid every year not every month?

I asked you if incest is a sin YES or NO. If it is,on what ground .

I had answered that question...Everyone knows its a sin whether U use the law or not!
Now can U answer my simple question and stop being evasive?
What has that simple question got to do with incest?

Incest is contained in the law

I repeat in-case U don't want to read it...
Tithe isn't free-will..whether U believe it or not!
U don't give what is required....Its paid...Its an obligation....U don't have an option..and its contained in the law!


[s]

We have right to obey and not to obey. Same for all principles . Give offerings and tithes be blessed , you don't give it ,devourer, Honoura father another, long life. Give to the poor you're blessed . Everything has its blessing and consequences but the choice is still yours .

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV)
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[/s]
And he accuses me of being dishonest!
The law is the law...U can't choose the one U should obey and the one U sud discard! James 2:10

Let me repost the question i asked...cos maybe U didn't see it WELL

Please show me in ANY scripture in the bible where TITHE was FREELY GIVEN without any condition or requirement attached to it??
And once again..No..giving to a minister or special projects or alms or free-will are based on one's own volition...As U have been led by ur generous heart....
Every believer must imbibe the "gift of giving"...It doesn't matter who or for what purpose but it must be based on a decided heart and a generous spirit 2 Corinthians 9:7

So let's stop giving impression as though they gave by compulsion then but now it's optional or now it's with joy. The principles aspire constant

Compulsion is compulsion...as long as U keep using Malachi 3:10-12 to teach about tithe,It can never be seen as free will...
And No...A law is not an option...U are either in or out...U are either obeying the law or Moses Or not...No Neutrality!
Please nah am on my knees begging...let me see this strange "tithe principle" in the bible nah...
I had to Turn my bible "up side down" just to find a scripture that makes "tithe an eternal principle"...Yet i cant find it!
Please Show me...or maybe U can create a new thread so that we can get ideas from others since U cant find it! Thanks!

petra1:
That's not nice

Really?

Not too smart to criticize without a fact . Try Goggle . It make you appear at least a little smart . Information was documented by verbal transmission before stone hetching , to skin hides ,scrolls ,paper, computers . Tablets pc. Virtual documentation.

bro petra1 dont make me laugh...Google?
What was written in the bible sud be sufficient for Us...whether a scroll was missing is not the important thing...
If what U said cannot be extracted from the bible then Ur tithe teachings are simply riddled with falsehood and deception...dont add to what the bible says...
Saying that Abraham received a mouthed revelation about tithe yet such wasn't written or can not be found in the bible only make people think U concocted such scripture just to insert the statement that "tithe is an eternal principle"....what a joke and that's Ur lofty proof of tithing?...ooh please..

And were they not ministers of the terbernacle and temple ? It's parallel. Besides there had been incidence where non terbernacle minister like prophets have received offerings instead of priests

2 Kings 4:42 (KJV)
42 And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat.

Once again there is no relationship whatsoever with what is discussed and the scripture U put forward...
I think 1 cor 9:13-14 is crystal clear as to where U belong in the illustration....
There were three instances...Those at the temple,those at the altar and those who minister the gospel...
Which of these instances by paul best describes Ur calling?
Do U minister in a temple Or at the Altar....Do U preach the Good news there?
The lord has ordained that U or anyone that preaches the gospel must be SUPPORTED!!

1 cor 9:14
In the same way , the Lord has prescribed that those who preach the gospel [/b]should [b]earn their living by the gospel.

A vow made on an existing principle . If he had decided to fast as a vow . It's because fasting was an existing principle .

Like i asked U before now,where is that existing principle stated in the bible? Do U mean the "mouthed revelation to Abraham" which the writer wasn't able to record because "some books were missing" according to U?
How is it possible that Abraham and Isaac Burnt offerings were recorded,
The circumcision was recorded too,but the "tithe principle" was not recorded because according to Bro petra1,the scroll or book finish?
Or was the writer then against the tithe principle?

You agree for that one . More credit for you

Thats what a principle should be....Abraham prayed more than once...Isaac also prayed...jacob prayed...This principle was handed from generation to generation with biblical evidence...Where then is ur proof that tithe is an eternal principle before the law?

10th ,tithe ,10% is all the same dude

No dude...don't get it twisted...Abraham was not under any obligation to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle...
If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge the tithe indeed came before the law!

People are watching you Bro. cheesy cheesy cheesy

Hebrews 7:6 (KJV)
But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham . . .

What defines the usage of a term in the bible?
Like i said,a term in the bible must have a principle or laid down laws backing it...If not such person is doing so based on his own volition or Free-will! Same applies to Abraham!
For instance,Abraham committed adultery...but there was no law prohibiting him from such act...hence,it wasn't counted as a sin against him!

Romans 5:13
13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Abraham was not under any obligation whatsoever to offer the war spoils or was obeying any principle...
If U think am wrong prove that tithe is an eternal principle with scriptures please!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

Fight of conscience . cool cool you could have said he never prayed either. He just yarn. . .imagine a prayerless man trying to rubish Abraham prayer as non existent. Just to suit his conscience

Abraham prayed and prayed and prayed to God....and scripture after scripture testified to that...
But where was the scripture supporting Ur principle claim that Abraham tithed?
Aside Genesis 14,which proof can U offer,before the law, to prove Ur claim?

Abraham was not under any obligation whatsoever to offer the war spoils or was obeying any laid down principle...!
If U think am wrong,prove that tithe is an eternal principle that was practiced before Abraham met Melchizedek!!
Then i assure U that i will the first to acknowledge that tithe indeed came before the law!

Perishable things were not accepted . Unclean animals were not accepted . They gave money value as tithes . Secondly , they tithed on gains .

Luke 18:12 (KJV)
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luke 18:12 (AMPC)
12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I gain.

Luke 18:12 (NLT)
12 I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my income.’

Based on the requirements to tithe,such illustration falls short of the tithe required....
The scripture u presented was an parable of a gullible man who tithed from his possession....which according to the law of moses is wrong!
Even Jesus knew that U only tithe from farm produce..

Matthew 23:23a
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin.

Jesus knew that tithe according to the law was on farm produce and cattle herds.....
He only used the parable to expose the folly and ignorance of a gullible man who wanted to show he was more righteous than the tax collector...!
The law of moses on tithe was clear...from crops and cattle herds...money was used when the distance to the place God has prepared was far way..Deuteronomy 14:22-29

That's only a second tithe that is shared . They had 3 kinds of tithes which I posted in my previous posts

Thats Good so in other words,U also recognize that one of the tithes must be eaten by the tither abi?

That's scripture .if you can't listen to the principle there . What more can I say

I asked u a simple question....check the question and come back with a YES or NO response...Thanks!

We give to God several ways . By free will, tithes ,offering ,alms , or to brethren and man of God. Or special projects But one kind of giving doesn't replace the other

When are U going to realize that tithe can never free-will...
U don't give what is required....Its paid...Its an obligation....U don't have an option..and its contained in the law!
Can U freely give Ur school fees?
Please show me in any scripture in the bible where TITHE was FREELY GIVEN without any condition or requirement attached to it!!
And once again..No..giving to a minister or special projects or alms or free-will are based on one's own volition...As U have been led by ur generous heart....
Every believer must imbibe the "gift of giving"...It doesn't matter who or for what purpose but it must be based on a decided heart and a generous spirit 2 Corinthians 9:7

Scripture

2 Corinthians 8
2 Corinthians 9:6-15
1 timothy 6:18:19
Acts 4:32-35

1 Chronicles 29:14 (KJV)
14 But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee.

As much as i understand this scripture U quoted,Don't U think a clearer and better illustration should be extracted from the letters to the churches by Paul since they were the early Christians?

Scriptures pls not your church teaching . All the scripture given says otherwise. It's of faith to have expectation.

[quote]Luke 6:38 (KJV)
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure. . .

2 Corinthians 9:6 (NLT)
6 Remember this—a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop. But the one who plants generously will get a generous crop.

2 Corinthians 9:6 which U quoted explains it well....
Generous-liberal in giving or sharing, willing to give money, help, kindness,especially more than is usual or expected
The next verse confirms my theory about giving....2 cor 9:7
True giving is based on LOVE....God first demonstrated that Love in Giving...
For God so LOVED the World That he GAVE his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him will no perish but have everlasting life John 3:16
The motive behind GIVING is important...Expectation is secondary!

Let's leave it there then. Maybe another day

I will keep insisting that there is no "unmerited favor" in tithing...
Even the Malachi U quoted says nothing about "grace in tithing"
It is an obligation and a requirement....

A curse is simply the absence of a blessing. Same parallel . Give bountiful ,receive bountifully ,give sparingly receive sparingly. Give receive. Etc

The curse of not tithing in Malachi 3 proves my argument....Its an obligation...
U don't tithe bountifully,Or sparingly
Tithe is a Tithe...based on the law of Moses,it was a requirement and a must for the people of Israel
And just like other laws of Moses,its a must and those under it were obligated...failure to do so attracted a punishment or curse..Simple!

Never speak for another man

Its there in the bible...Can U honestly say that U eat Ur tithes?
If U tithe and don't go by its instructions in the bible,then whats the essence of tithing in the first place?

Zikkyy2:
You are doing a job keeping petra1 in check. Keep it up

Bro zikky longest time....where have U been?

brocab:
Aren't you wasting your time brother-tithers are stuck in the stone age-they haven't yet come fully over to Christ.
Tithers are still in the Old Testament under the Mosaic law system. "Moses law".
Don't get me wrong brother you are correct in word and in truth. Tithers remind me of the Jehovah Witnesses they will never agree with you, they will always find ways to twist and turn the Word Of God.
They don't understand the Word, the way you understand it, only because bro they had never asked the Lord for the truth and the Spirit of God had not open their hearts to give them this truth.

bro U are right but petra1 and other tithers have erroneously misled most believers to tithe....manipulating dem by offering dem blessings unimaginable... and wat was needed was their tithe every month....
I don't even see it as a competition but a platform to let believers know that tithing no longer exists..The most shocking aspect is a tither saying Abraham had a mouthed revelation about tithe... fraudulence at its pick..good morning brocab

petra1:
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I brought it up to proof you wrong .

Well then U have done a bad job if that was ur intention

What reference can you provide that they had books

I have none...and U also cant prove there was no books to make such accounts or records...

The income for the ministers in the Old Testament was tithes and offerings . So kindly don't add to it. If Paul' used it as illustration,let it speak for itself

Okay lets analyze that scripture 1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Surely you know that those who work at the Temple get their food from the Temple.
This refers to the levites and priest of the levitical priesthood...

And those who serve at the altar get part of what is offered at the altar.
This also refers to the altar where burnt offerings and sin offering were done according to the law of moses..

14 It is the same with those who have the work of telling the Good News. The Lord has commanded that those who tell the Good News should get their living from this work.
This is where U or any one who preaches the good news is SUPPORTED for ur work....

There was no minister in the OT just priests and levites....U are meant to be supported financially for preaching the word!

A vow is just a statement of commitment. National pledge is a vow . But it was handed down from generations . Its like someone vows . "Lord if you save me from this trouble ,I will serve you" that doesn't mean he wouldn't serve him if there had not been trouble .

Jacob made a Vow not for the world but for himself...It has no effect on anyone...
Genesis 28:20-21
Then Jacob made a VOW, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21 so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord will be my God
How does this selfish vow from jacob have an effect on new covenant believers and how is it a basis for believers to tithe?

Was every detail documented ?

Of course Abraham prayed and transferred the prayer principle to the next generation isaac

How many time did Abraham pray?

Abraham interceded for sodom Genesis 18:16-33
Abraham prayed to God for healing on Abimelech Genesis 20:17
Abraham prayed for a son Genesis 15:2
This is just the ones i can remember...there are others...

That is utter rubbish . If God says Abraham gave tithe . Leave it like that ok. It didn't say Levi gave war spoil in Abraham .

...And it will be foolhardy snd deceptive of U to say that Abraham tithed when he actually didnt...that same scripture says he gave melkezedek a 10th and gave the rest to the king of sodom...does that sound or look like tithe to U?
Did he tithe of his possessions or use others possession as tithe to Melchizedek?
Was he under an obligation to offer the war spoils to Melchizedek?
If there is any one who is making an utter rubbish,its U....making preposterous and unfounded claims that God mouthed a tithe revelation to Abraham that wasn't found in the bible but was revealed only to YOU....what sort of deception and manipulation is that?

Hope you saw the highlight. "TITHE "

A 10th of war spoils of which he gave the rest to king Melchizedek ...
This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.Was there an obligation or law stipulating that Abraham gives a 10th of war spoils to Melchizedek?
Did he give a 10th of his possession or that of his people?

How far will you go to change Gids holy word brother . I'm sure if you have your way you would call 8% . chaiiii !

I never did...its ur knowledge of that scripture that is preventing U from understanding that Abraham never tithed....he never did because tithe was never in existence before the law...If it was,then prove that Abraham was actually obeying a laid down law wen he offered a 10th of the plunder to Melchizedek?
There was proof of the covenant of circumcision,there was proof of burnt offering,why is it so hard for U to prove that there was actually a law or principle called tithe that abraham was actually obeying wen he met Melchizedek?
I asked U before and U went about explaining how abraham was given a revelation to tithe....

When you begin to desecrate scripture deliberately like this . I wonder if I need to respond anymore to you. For your information. 10th ,10% and tithe are all the same . Just as sabbath and "rest are all the same . Now you want to remove the spirituality of precious Abraham tithe just to put up argument that's not very nice . Melchizedek was not just a king . He was a priest Gods highpriest . Abraham didn't give him tithe as a king but as a high priest . He had power to bless Abraham because he was greater than Abraham .

The desecration of scripture actually started wen U said Abraham received a mouthed revelation to tithe the war spoils to Melchizedek...
Making such shameless assumptions were enough reasons not to engage U in a sensible discus but i was willing to play along hoping U would come to Ur senses....
Melchizedek being a king was enough reasons why such incidence sud have been graced with a laid down law to further claim that Abraham was indeed tithing...
Instead U rendered Ur tithe beliefs baseless and empty by saying that there was not book that recorded the part where a mouthed revelation mas made to abraham....Unbelievable
And yet U accuse me of desecrating Scriptures...U gat Jokes bro

Read the scripture below and repent pls .
He­brews 7:7 (AMPC)
7 Yet it is beyond all contradiction that it is the lesser person who is blessed by the greater one.
Do kings bless prophets? Only a priest can bless .

A tither whose tithe principles are based on an unfounded scripture in the bible is asking me to repent?

The fact still remains that Abraham never tithed.....
was never under any obligation to tithe...
wasnt following any principle or laid down law to tithe
He only gave war spoils in exchange for the kind gesture from the king Melchizedek...
The batton is on U to prove that Abraham was actually doing so based on a laid down law or principle...

Tithes was the major discuss. The man big so tey he received tithes from Abraham and blessed him.

Melchizedek first offered food and wine,then blessed Abraham before abraham offer him a 10th of the war spoils....
It never was because tithe was never a laid down law during the time of abraham...

Your assumption. Prove it.

Simply because there was no laid down law obligating him to do so...
If there is please show me..

They were primarily a nation of farmers just as Nigeria was an oil producing nation . That doesn't mean that's all they produce. I've proven that to all viewers .

Before oil was discovered in nigeria,the nation was an agrarian country and still is to this time....
The law of moses was specific as to what was to be tithed by the people of israel....farm produce and cattle herd...!
Money was used wen the distance was too far....hence it was used to buy any thing the tither's heart desired even wine

24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.

He gave from his posession . The king already gave them to him . He gave tithe first to the priest and return the rest .

Did he take the rest is the argument...If he didnt,the he was under no obligation to tithe....
There was actually no intention to meet the king...
he only went to rescue his cousin lot and came back with war spoils....are U implying that believers must go to war before they can offer their tithe to a priest?

Genesis 27:4 (KJV)
4 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die.

Is it a YES OR A NO?

You're wrong. A giving cannot take the place of another . Honoring God cannot take the place of honoring parents.

Mar­k 7:10-13 (NLT)
10 For instance, Moses gave you this law from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ 11 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ 12 In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. 13 And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.”

This scripture supports my claim...
Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Benevolence knows no distinction....It must be given to any one as U have been led by Ur heart...the personality is not important as long as U are a generous giver,God will always delight in U....2 Corinthians 9:6-7

That's only a kind of giving .

Not just any kind of giving...its based on LOVE....any giving that is based on what U will get only breeds greed...the heart of a generous giver please God....!

The point I wanted you to see as against your kalo kalo error. Is that nothing is wrong in giving with expectation. It's of faith to give with expectation of increase .

Giving that attaches an expectation only breeds greed and anxiety which causes to the sower to sow "sparingly"....
Giving generously makes U feel at ease knowing that some one is blessed by ur generosity...expectation or not!
After-all U have been blessed to be a blessing...

It's a principle . Abraham knows this , Jacob and Esau knows this .

esau?
U don start?
Please dont make me shed tears while laughing ohh...Abraham mouthed revelation never finish,U want bring esau into the equation
Maybe Ur next revelation might be that he gave a 10th of his porridge to jacob abi..
Define Principle:An accepted or professed rule of action or conduct
So where was the rule to tithe written before the law?

Grace refers to Gods blessing or ability in a man. Samson Strenth was a grace . Solomon wisdom was a grace . That's what I meant . Not dispensation of grace but ability

there was no "unmerited favor" to tithe in malachi....
Tithe was an obligation and a must for the people of Israel....its either U do it or face the wrath of God!
The ability to tithe comes from obeying the instructions to tithe which unfortunately is not the case in most churches today...

That reminds me . I'm waiting for references on the books they used . Maybe I missed it.

Bro dont try to run from ur writings nah...
U claimed there was no book to record the events where God mouthed the revelation of tithe to abraham...Just saying its alone makes it look so funny ...see How U are trying to belittle the bible and by extension God just because of tithes....Abraham's mouthed revelation on tithe

Mal 3 should be ok for now

U didnt see deutronomy 14:22-29
U no see deutronomy 26 or Numbers 18:20...
U only saw malachi 3 and called it grace of tithing....and U said am the one desecrating the scriptures...

What you call the law of Christ is only a section of the law of Moses .

There are similarities but the law of christ is far superior cos its founded on better promises and it draws us closer to God..Thats why it is a new law

The real law of Christ is a nature . It's not even a law . It's life .

Bro that scripture has spoken...Its a law...deal wit it or go form Ur own bible and make Ur own laws....