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Gombs:
i didn't insult you, besides, one of you "team" members called us swindlers, you sure didn't see that, right?

weldone o

I don't have any team member bro gombs...its a thread where everyone expresses his or her opinion....but dat sud b done with respect...must u give back an insult because sum one insulted?
wat does it say about u and ur beliefs?
wat will atheists say?
let discus without insults.... I know dat remark wasn't intended 4 me but don't reply an insult wit an insult...it doesn't speak well of u...

petra1:
The law is the law of God. It reveals Gods mind and principles . Without the law you will have no knowledge of what is right or wrong.

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 7:12 (KJV)
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Men wanted justification by the works of the law. The works of the law are good in themselves . They are Gods principle . Except the part christ fulfilled . Righteousnes only came by christ .

Philippians 3:9 (KJV)
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

If you study the Bible well you will notice that every condemnation of the law has to do with seeking righteousness or justification. It lacked the power to make a man righteous but the deed of the law are good in themselves .

Hebrews 7:11 -12
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Hebrews 7:18
18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 7:28
28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever.

Remember....without a new law,dere can never b a new priesthood or covenant....wen Christ became high priest,a new covenant which had a new law was given....

Hebrews 8:7 - 13

7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.
8 But God found fault with the people and said b :
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.” c
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Gombs:
did you understand my post at all, in relation to his?

absolutely....do u have any reservations...?

Gombs:
What is the meaning of "Ought"?

I don't have time for kids o, i am not sharing cheese balls and caprisonne here

bro gombs,I guess u and every oda person here is trying 2 share ideas and acquire knowledge from scripture...wat u have said is unchristian and mostly uncharitable.....we r not here 2 win an argument.... but to learn....why go into insults....unbelievable!!

kolaish:
Oga, did paul say particularly that giving tithe to the church is wrong. if so maybe you give me the bible verse.

first of dere is no scripture dat appoints or ordains pastors or ministers 2 take tithes on behalf of Christ or God.....if such can not be found,den such instructions or teachings are wrong and such b condemned!
if u really want 2 tithe like u said,follow d instructions of Deuteronomy 14;
Deuteronomy 26;
numbers 18;
Leviticus 27
dese scriptures and more are the ways of tithing....any oda form is an error.....

kolaish:
Does the bible says that I will not make heaven if I am paying my tithe to the church? NO. Therefore, I don't have any problem paying it.

bro I asked u simple questions... though u haven't answered any...and no am not implying dat ur tithe payment will either take u 2 hell or heaven...my emphasis is based on d scriptures and not human insertions....pls kindly answer my questions... tanks bro

kolaish:
once again, we are different beings. Your ideology and perception of life is totally different from mine and I can not force mine on you and you cannot force yours on mine, we do what suits us better. My God has been good to me and I have been paying my tithe as usual, why do you have any problem with it? If you are not paying tithe and it is good for you, then go ahead and stop bringing negative things about the church to the media to spite christianity. instead, channel your problems/grievances to the right channel, meet the so called pastors and ask/confront them with it and iron out the differences with them.

Lol....am not trying to make u stop tithing...cos am of d opinion dat u may never stop until u find out d truth...u see its easy 2 attribute d good things in ur life because of d tithes u pay....am not trying 2 b negative.... am only asking u 2 search d scriptures and see for urself...I was once an advocate for tithes without understanding d scripture...but wen I saw d truth,it took me a while cos I was living in self-denial....now I know beta....

if u really want to know how controversial d aspect of tithe is,just go tru the first post by the op...

how many pastors or ministers open Deuteronomy 14?

Lets say u were right about ur tithe payments,how many pastors obey d directive from Deuteronomy 14 on tithes?

now dat u have read Deuteronomy 14:22 to d end,will you be able to eat ur tithes every year as instructed?

petra1:
It's not true .He hadn't died yet when he talked about it .
. What you call a new law is still the old law re emphasized .

Leviticus 19:18 (KJV Strong's)
18 . . . . but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

Mark 12:29-31 (KJV Strong's)
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

He was rather quoting the old . But emphasized a part which included the rest . So the deed of the law are not wrong in themselves . But it is wrong to seek to be justified by them . You're justified by faith .

If Jesus endorsed tithing while he was yet alive and he endorsed law of love while he was yet alive . Why would you condemn the tithes and uphold the law of love

its important 2 march scripture with scripture in order 2 get a better perspective of d issue....

Hebrews 10:1
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming— not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

romans 13:8 - 10

Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” a and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” b 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor.

kolaish:
Who gave first? God gave me first and I am returning back what he gave in form of tithes, offerings and charity work. So, what is wrong in saying that.

u only said tithes....
but Dats not my line of argument....I was simply saying ur tithes are not d very reason why u r successful or wealthy or safe or healthy....dat its by d grace of d lord all mighty....ur testimony can b likened 2 a winners member last year whose car was not burnt just because according 2 him,he went to Shiloh....

Gombs:
I thought as much







But He let the adulterous woman live, even though the law was still active and He was yet to die.. The law condemned her, but Jesus Didn't... And he was yet to die o.

Your hypocrisy is outstanding.

Lol...its common sense bro....
he wud have allowed dem to kill the adulterous woman...he knew d law was against her...he knew she was guilty...all he simply did was ask a simple question.... "if any of you have been without sin sud cast the first stone...."
so in other words,it means that those who were about to stone that woman had already done worse dat her....hence they left one by one....
Jesus didn't condemn deir acts...lol

Junia:
You are my fellow .. lol We are against tithe

on d contrary, he is a tithe lord ohh...lol

Gombs:
Hello.. Remember me?

I'm about to give you a heartache

Lol....I like dat....I just hope dat u won't end up with one by d time am tru wit u..shoot!

kolaish:
Purify the thoughts of your heart please and stop reasoning negatively. I never said God has been good to me because I have been paying my tithe. What I said for emphasis is that "GOD HAS BEEN GOOD TO ME IN ALL AREAS, SO WHY WOULD'NT I SERVE HIM WITH ALL MY SUBSTANCES"

that isn't wat u said initially...
u were alluding 2 all d good things that happened to you based on ur tithe payments...try and check out ur previous posts....

Junia:
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The Hebrew and Greek words for “tithe” both simply mean “a tenth. A tenth of everything is tithe

tithes according to scriptures Leviticus 27:30

kolaish:
Don't you think that is your imagination? If someone go out in a church to give testimony that God has been good to him, is that person mocking others in the same church that God has not been good to them?

As Christians we must endeavor 2 show the very nature of God through the help of Christ...God sent Christ to the world to preach LOVE.....no matter who u are...
ur testimony must be based exclusively on the grace of God not wat u did.....wen u credit ur tithes as reasons for God's blessings upon u,two things are involved...You are indirectly making God appear as a casino or kalo-kalo master....and U r also taking away d glory from God by attributing ur work,in dis case,tithes as reasons behind getting ur blessings....

Junia:
So what is the name given to what Abraham paid ??

sorry for being rhetoric... if I came back from a far place and u offered me food and wine...in a show of goodwill,I also gave u wat I came with...wat u call dat?
now notice that Abram wud have given Melchizedek more than 10%,u wud have given much more than that...but he gave a tenth of the war spoils,of which he wasn't in any way compelled or forced to give....

so ur question.... it was simple and kind gesture by Abraham to give a 10th of the war spoils....not tithe!

but if I may ask....what is tithe?
and can you relate or match ur definition with wat transpired btw Abraham and Melchizedek in genesis?

Malolu:
Inasmuch as there are a lot of things we argue about in Christianity, we should always remember that the major purpose Jesus hasn't returned is for His news to be preached. The major chance He's giving us is to return to Him. For humanity to attain that spiritual perfection or "holiness" . Yes, a lot of things may have been mentioned by God through the law, it was all to make everything orderly as at that time, and show humans what do, how to live, how to be clean, how to relate with neighbors, with the ungodly and so on. It was all born out of a good intention from God. God wanted to see us perfect and living rightly. But it pained God's heart to see how burdensome this law was on human after all we are just flesh, He sent His son to us commanding to hear and obey Him so that we can attain that perfection which God always wanted even at Eden. If you like, continue living in deception and sin while you are giving and even "tithing". The eyes of God will never behold iniquity.
God is calling humanity back to repentance, perfection and holiness. That is the chief message. Let's not allow the enemy to distract. It's unfortunate one of these distractions is even pay tithe and receive financial gain from God. How many give to God's with a good intention, not showcasing. Let's all go back to God and His word through Christ for the sole purpose of that great commission!!!!

TRUE

Junia:
But Hebrews 7:2 says Abraham paid tithe

Read other translations....find out the greek translations....also find out scriptures that can relate with that scripture...remember "no scripture is of personal interpretation"....u must rightly divide the word of God by "matching" scripture with another related scripture....

kolaish:
Have I done any wrong by quoting the testimony of God's love in my life? We all have so many ways through which God has been good to us. I am not by any way saying that those that have accident/sick are not worshiping God with their substance, please do not get me wrong.

but thats exactly what u r implying...u r attributing ur success to the payment of ur tithes....u r in other words insinuating that God is giving u all the good things of life because you always pay ur tithes....non believers who read your statement will tag God as unjust and fraudulent...

kolaish:
Follow your heart please as it suits you, we are all different in character/behaviour and our aims and aspirations about life are different. For me and my household, It is GOD, GOD and GOD.

True but the truth can never hide..its right there in the scriptures....i wish U well

Junia:
So you mean what he paid wasnt tithe

but its right there in d scriptures not from human manipulation....u can check up genesis 12...
dere is no similarity btw wat Abraham gave to Melchizedek and tithes....absolutely none...

kolaish:
I don't know what you mean by curse. I have always been having tremendous progress physically, spiritually and financially in my life and derives great joy in all my giving both to church and mankind. Please if you are aversive to tithe and it favours you, then go ahead. I have decided to worship GOD with all my substance and the truth is that the more I gives, I get it back hundred fold. I cannot even remember when last I fell sick, probably 20 years ago. I travelled by air and road always and no accident. GOD has been very good to me and I am so grateful for that. I will always continue to render financial offerings to the church, be it tithe, normal offerings, Sunday School offerings, Needy offering etc.

its so funny how u attribute our success or safety or health 2 d fact dat u pay tithes....are u saying dose who have died Dis year or last year weren't tithe payers?
are u also saying all dose who safely travel by air are all tithe payers?
Or wat wud u say about me who is wealthy and healthy without a single tithe payment?
ur tithe payment isn't d reason why u r healthy or prosperous or being safe from harm's way....its by the grace of God which has been GIVEN to ALL men irrespective of ur colour,country,or spiritual status...
So wat wud u say about a guy who has been paying tithes for years and yet he is still in debts....?

Junia:
I mean Abraham paid tithe before it actually became a law ..
But it is still a law

not according 2 d definition of tithe...whether law or pre-law....going by the tithe definition, Abraham wud have given Melchizedek a 10 of while he kept the rest of the 90% but he instead gave it to the king of Sodom...remember the war spoils were gotten wen Abraham went to rescue his nephew lot....not from his possession of his farm produce or his earnings according 2 some ministers....

Junia:
Good
But tithe is a law
God Himself called it a law though it existed before the law
Likewise circumsision existed before the law but is classified as a law
And Paul said if anyone practise it ... Christ will be of no profit to him or her and he or she will be a debtor to the whole law
Thus .. the person will be under a curse

tithe unfortunately never existed b4 d law....I know many ministers wrongly use the Abraham's gesture to Melchizedek....unfortunately, Abraham was neither obligated nor under any so called principle wen he gave
Melchizedek a tenth of the war spoils....after Melchizedek offered him food and wine....

if tithe,according 2 some of my fellow brothers who tithe,was an "eternal principle" based on d fact that it was "pre-law",can we now categorically claim or say that "burnt offerings" and "circumcision" were also eternal principles since dese practices existed before the law?

petra1:
Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . There's a temple in heaven . And in the new world there will be offerings

pls do me a great favour by quoting where "tithes and offerings are eternal principles" in the scriptures...enough of manipulating d scriptures...just show it to me....and while u r at it,pls show me where pastors were appointed 2 receive "monetary tithes" on behalf of Jesus christ....am waiting...

DeKen:
Numbers 18:21-30Amplified Bible (AMP)

21 “Behold, I have given the Levites all the tithe in Israel as an inheritance, in return for their service which they perform, the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle). 22 The Israelites shall never again approach the Tent of Meeting [the covered sanctuary, the Holy Place, and the Holy of Holies], or they [who do] will incur sin and die. 23 Only the Levites shall perform the service of the Tent of Meeting (tabernacle), and they shall bear their iniquity; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that the Levites shall have no inheritance [of land] among the children of Israel. 24 But the tithe of the Israelites, which they present as an offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, ‘They shall [a]have no inheritance among the children of Israel.’”

the bold part is only valid as long as the law still exists...and as long as dere r still "levites" and a "physical temple".....do u still partake in burnt offerings cos Dats also "a statute forever throughout your generations"....

ohh no...yet another case of reckless driving and none of the passengers were able 2 tell the driver to be more careful...its really unfortunate....

Pesuzok:
I have been seeing this 'open relationship' thing. What does it mean?

u can have a relationship wit d person but still have oda partners...in oda words,relationship with no strings attached...

seriously?
no matter how many tips u present or give out,if sum one wants 2 cheat on U,u will never know even if they give U access 2 all their social media passwords...

Good luck in her search....she is going 2 need plenty of them....

midolian:
Death no sign agreement with anybody. It can come anytime @ any point of our lives.

May their soulz rest in peace.

True but from the narrative given,their death wud have been avoided...unfortunately,the driver of the vehicle didn't ensure that his tyres were in good condition.....and its now becoming a norm in naija...too bad!!