₦airaland Forum

Clyod:
Is it your father?
Is it your pastor?
why you come carry the matter for head like this?

bros, he that comes to equity must come clean. We can't be fighting wrongdoing with wrongdoing. Much as I hate what useless pastors are doing now I don't supot telling lies to make the story look good. A man that has ten children from one woman must be above 60 or thereabout using average calculation, a sixty year old pastor with 10 children will be maltreating his wife and children that some are big enough to be on Nairaland. Haba, make we use our brain na. An average boy of 16 will beat up his father if he abuses the mother in their presence. Let alone 10 children. Them for don kill d papa sef if na true story. U cannot beat the mother of ur grown up children and go free. Ask any young boy, he will tell u what will happen to the father if he tries it. The story is cooked and a very big lie.

Your father cannot be a pastor. No pastor will behave like this knowing that he will preach to people almost daily. What will he preach? Pls stop telling lies @OP. Much as I am against fake pastors seeking tithe, I will not support tgis kind of manipulation to malign pastors. Some of the pastors we have in Nigeria are real men sent by God. Don't generalise and rubbish all of them.

Buhari cannot give us hospital that will take care of our people and its almost 3 years. Atiku for president so people who need to go abroad anymore for treatment . haba Buhari, get well soon Mr daba

lilfreezy:
If they give these thieves chance, they will rewrite the Bible

they have rewritten the bible already in the hearts of the sheeple. I pity people who still follow these people.

Keneeby:
You are an hypocrite

rccg has left the real reason for the spread na. They are only after money , no sound word again. I share a fence with the rccg, as a matter of fact, they are so greedy that they want to take my land if possible. They deliberately built their church and roofed it into my land without giving a single space. I was forced to leave like 3-4 feet of my land for them. Ordinary fence they can't even do because they had plan to kuku take my entire land but my God whose name is Jehovah no gree. I had to erect a fence to separate us . that's how greedy they are. Bible does not support covetousness, but redeemed pple are very covetous. The pastors are so stupid that sometimes I feel like stoning them but I just respect myself. If u doubt me come to warri and see what I am saying. Rccg no be am abeg. Tithecollectors.com

salvation101:
who are the israel of today if we are to go wit dis ir logic den it means non of the Bible blessings is for u as well cos dey were said to some particular person(s) at a particular time. Psalm 23 is not also for u since u r not David

Christ redeemed us so that the blessing of Abraham can be ours. Gal 3:13. All the curses attached to the law were taken away on the cross. We are blessed because of Christ and not because of what we do. Brother relax, these days just take ur time to read the bible. Don't allow anyone deceive again. Bible is sweet to read and holy spirit helps our understanding when we read carefully. Abraham's blessing have been given to us thru Christ, u just need to believe Jesus as the son of God. Lobatan

mickeymimi:
My personal respond to pastor Adeboye. Shame on Adeboye. By P.O Nigeria Na Wao.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT-1AGVDgL8

this guy finish work ooo. We don rily many wey de vex for dis Mata...lolz

GodDeyCraze:
God must be a thief because majority of his men(servants) are crooks

u have crossed the line. Don't speak ill of the creator. That's death sentence. But He is merciful and does not want u to perish. Repent, don't let penterascalism or tithocracy or tithe pushers or mammon worshippers make u become damned. Heaven is real, hell is real.

salvation101:
the church is both the people and the building.. Church is used both in singular and plural in d bible so stop misleading ppl

that is how they misinterpreted scriptures saying psalm 105:13-15 is talking about the pastor whereas it is talking about ISRAEL and invariably BELIEVERS of today. Pastors colonised us that we should not touch the anointed meanwhile we all are the anointed. The way I have been seeing many lies Pentecostalism has brought to Christianity, I just de tire... Verse 13-15 use the word "them" "their" "they" . thereby making reference to the entire God's people against the enemy nations. Believers who correct or criticize the wrong doing of pastors are not touching their co- anointed believers, they are only doing what scripture says that we should correct one another to avoid problem in the kingdom. Misrepresentation and misinterpretation for person and greedy purposes are the bane of modern say Christianity

God's liberation Messenger of the year.....Daddy Freeze

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Should I shock u? I have not heard this kind of preaching in the last 10 years. I attend churches but all I hear is pay ur tithe and prosper. I end up going home more anxious and dissatisfied than I left home. But I wana specially thank U r or giving me hope again, I just rededicated my life to God because of this message I read here.
God bless u. So sweet to read real word from God again. Thank u once again.

derecho:
THEME: WORTH CELEBRATING

MEMORISE:

Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. Luke 10:20

READ: Luke 10:17-20

10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

MESSAGE:

If you are sure of your salvation from sin, you need to be grateful to God. The reason is that there is nothing else in the whole wide world that can transform a sinner into a saint other than the Name of Jesus and the power of His Blood. Acts 4:12 says,

” Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

No hero from any country can save you; neither can any prophet from any age or dispensation deliver you. No amount of money can buy you out of Hell, and no level of good works or moral uprightness can redeem you either. Only faith in the Name of Jesus and faith in the cleansing power of His Blood can save you. Thank God that Jesus fully paid the price of our redemption! If He had only paid in part, you can be sure that no one would have been saved today, going by Satan’s antecedents. However, Jesus fully paid for our redemption – Hallelujah! To show that the price has been paid in full, shortly before He died on the cross, He publicly declared “It is finished”. (John 19:30). Therefore, you ought to daily thank God for your salvation. How often do you appreciate Him for saving your soul?

Today, many believers celebrate their birthdays, graduation from school, promotion at the office, appointments, winning big contracts and other major achievements in life, but many of these people forget to even say “Thank You Jesus for the salvation of my soul”. This is the benefit that should give you the greatest joy! After the 70 disciples sent out by the Lord for evangelism returned with fantastic testimonies of the success of their outing, the Lord shocked them by telling them that they were rejoicing over what was not the main issue. He then told them what the object of their joy should be:

“Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.” Luke 10:20

Your salvation from sin is far more important than any other achievements you have on earth. Great is the value that God and the whole of heaven place on it. You should therefore thank God for it every day of your life; it is well worth it.

KEY POINT:

If you knew the severity of eternal hell, you would treasure the salvation of your soul and thank God always for it.

U are a real believer. Everytin u have said is correct. Let's just hope and pray we find a true church we can associate with and enjoy worship without bias. I think this is one of the reasons God took bishop idahosa on time, by now he may have been worse than adeboye, who knows?. God loved him so much that He took him before the fall. The wife did not agree for other pastors to take over so she called herself into ministry by fire by force to maintain the properties. They started well and got distracted with money. Pride can't make dem agree with the truth again because they got carried away that their words became laws whereas Bible prescriptions became alternatives. Once papa says a thing, it does not matter if it aligns with scripture as long as it comes from papa, that's how bad it has become. But we thank God for freeze and. Dr Abel damina who demystified their heresy and are liberating the people of God from fear of GOs. My wife brought prayer request card for shilo coming up as from tomoro, I instantly threw d card away in her presence and told her God is able to keep record of my request and answer them one after the other when He wishes. That is another heresy in winners chapel. They make u keep tithe card and prayer cards so that u will come and make noise to glorify the church instead of God when prayers are answered. All forms of gimicks we see everyday to give glory to the church and rake in more members thereby increasing the church tithes. I want salvation and love preached. Anything outside that is of lesser weight and should be relegated to the background. We must return to the cross where we first met Christ. #returntothecross

IMASTEX:
I couldn't agree more to your submission. It is quite unfortunate that many are just getting to know. I have known these right from the days of "Church Of God Mission, Spirit and life bible church, etc". Even in RCCG it will be almost impossible before a none Yoruba will emerge GO in years to come. Just as getting a black Pop in catholic. Many members fail to see the heavy politics going on in the church. The truth is many of this men of God started on a good note. But along the line the love for money & power distracted them from the real calling & message of love & salvation. The members believed once saved is always saved. Therefore, their papa should always be right failing to see the end account of Moses, David, etc. I would refer you to see this movie "Kingdom of Heaven". It clearly revealed all that religion is all about. The teaching of Jesus is the direct opposite of what is practiced in this modern day. Let Nigeria have good governance. I.e. jobs, healthcare, shelter, food, etc. Only then, we will know how truly religious we are. Until then, hope is what is left. Therefore, the religious leaders work on the people's psych control their minds and sell the hope for them. To achieve that, they want you to rely on them for knowledge, indirectly you will be accessing God through them "bringing back the old system of the veil in the temple Jesus torn". They want you to view church building as church "bringing back the temple arrangement Jesus destroyed". In the old testament, the people seek God and hear messages via the prophets. But in the new testament Jesus is the only way to reaching and hearing from God. We are all believers in Christ. God empowers anyone that seek Him diligently in Holiness. There shouldn't be any other papa or mama in the Lord. Jesus alone is the papa & mama in the Lord. Every other person is a fellow believer in faith.

jamael:
Your comments though grammatical OK are quite irresponsible.
His decision is simply for him to follow. Have you not heard of someone who gave 90% of his money to God?
All those things are personal and is dependent on an individual's personal relationship with God. The most important thing is to Repent from Sin, accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour in your life and live a holy life. Those are the things that matter most in the sight of God. Not another persons choice

he gave 90 percent , he didnt pay tithe of 90 percent. get that clear. tithe is 10 percent and not applicable to the new testament church.

RSVP:
He said "I just increased my tithe to 30%.satan, go and die"...

So does that mean one can increase or decrease der tithe at will?

my brother, all this tells u they are a bunch of thieves. u can see clearly . oooo, people can change their tithe percentage now abi? it is well.....we don catch dem

IMASTEX:
Freeze you have given them enough nightmare already. Your question to them is like: what is the origin of God which has no answer. The only thing left is to respond emotionally in defence for the goodies. It was hard to let go Moses people because of the free services & benefits. Same way it is hard to account for or stop the free money that pour in just by reading and delivering a sermon.
The main thing I understand from this your movement is that it has expose so many church members who have not be reading their bibles and seeking God on a personal note. If you believe your pastors over your own understanding of the bible. Then reason the following: was your pastor not worshipping as a member before he founded his own ministry? Why did he leave to open his own? To the later, most will always claim some of the doctrine wasn't biblical? That means he had his personal interpretation which made him fall out. If that been the case why can't you have right to interpret the bible to your own understanding? Why should the body of Christ have different ways of doing things?

By the way, the real essence of so many denominations everywhere is not to spread the gospel but to be in charge of the resources as head "G.O". That is why in most of these Pentecostals, when the pastors dies, the wife, children,u siblings, family, kinsmen, takes over.

Apart from adeboye, there is no GO that hasn't positioned his wife or first son to take over the business. Its been a business to them. We only just got to know recently. Oyedepo already brought back his son from UK to head canaanland. His other son was in the USA and I don't know where he is now. Oritsejafor has already given his wife all the power in the church (word of life warri) no pastor preaches on that altar on a Sunday whenever he is not around, he does not allow his teaching center pastors because he fears they may get popular and eventually leave with members, he would rather his wife preached or he invites any of his spiritual sons who must not be located in delta state especially near warri and environs. It is only Chris oyakilome that refused this rubbish and that is the main reason why the wife left him because she wanted him to give her power the way others do theirs. Bishop oyedepo, his wife, his sons and maybe abioye or aremu will preach at Shiloh while bigger pastors than his children will be taking offerings and announcements. Its so annoying when a small boy of 34 will be preaching when the people like pastor Ojeme, Folorunsho etc who taught him bible will be listening just because it's family business. Sucesion plan is already in place as we speak. I remember when oritsejafor wanted to build and set up a bank, he made us feel it was the church's bank and even asked everyone to close their accounts in other banks and bring their monies to the bank, (eagles flight micro finance). When the bank was completely set up and running, oritsejafor gave it to his wife as a gift and declared her the owner. The school they built with church money, church people can't attend in warri, it's politicians and criminal's children that attend because it is very expensive just like covenant university and redeemers university too. I can chronicle their stories if I want to but leme just stop here. They are very crooked and insincere, there atrocities have reached the high heavens and God is sending men to liberate his children from pharaohs. Read Revelation chapter 2. The 7 churches are all here in Nigeria.

Psalm 50:15 says so.

Adeboye once said if u don't pay ur tithe u won't make heaven. Now he is saying God convinced him to pay tithe. I weep for papa Adeboye because he already is in a backslidden state and needs restoration. He has served God so much that he doesn't need to backslide now because of money. Papa adeboye should leave money matter, he is too old to be doing this now. Tithing according to the scripture is not for the new testament church. Leave that matter and focus on holiness without which, no man shall see God.

Hiccups:


No church is under attack, some pastors have been criticized though. Why do OP see Freeze as an unbeliever? Do all of Christ Embassy Teachings agree with RCCG? Does this in any way makes them unbelievers?

The problem with people like OP is their inability to realized Pentecostal churches is a product of disagreement with some teachings in protestant churches. Until OP clarify how pentecostal churches sprang up, you lack every reasons to demonize Freeze

weda the op likes it or not, Pentecostalism has been turned into a fraud. Forget all the long story. I am at home now, I want to worship but can't go to my church because all u hear is money money money. We get anxious by d day because of worldliness in the church. Its only tithes and offerings they talk about and that's what makes God look like a money doubler or kalokalo god. My God whose name is Jehovah is a God of justice, He is refining the church because it has been desecrated. Comedians have taken over the altar of God, what is all that?

firstclassmumu:
all these pastors self wey know fit help guys with correct scores make we chop money

my brother na merrybet dem de use us play o. U nor knw? Just as u de predict matches na so dem de predict people life in d name of prophecy. Most na format. It's either e green or red..lolzzzz

UbanmeUdie:




T.B Joshua is not a prophet but a sorcerer!

He is an outcast and a spiritual bastard as far as the Nigerian christian community is concerned.

CAN does not know him!
PFN does not know him!

The Catholic church believes in tithing,
The Protestants also believe in tithing.

T.B Joshua does not fall in any category, so it is ok for him to tell his members to pay their tithes in anyway they deem fit. The question is, is that scriptural?

T.B Joshua is a dundee utd!
No bible sense at all.


Useless demonized pair from hell!

it is ur CAN and PFN that have scocerers as the members. Kiss the truth. PFN is a conglomeration of thieves using the name of Jesus as the selling point. TB Joshua has fear of God and compassion for humanity far more than all ur PFN pastors put together. Idiot

Makaveli1166:
If i donate my blood and get paid for it,is it blood money?:-| If i donate my blood and get paid for it,is it blood money?:-|

it is blood money my brother. If u want to help by donating blood just help freely. Freely we receive, freely we give. Blood is sacred and should not be sold. If u need food just ask them to give u food or whatever but don't sell ur blood.

No doubt u are a RCCG pastor who has a good heart and has been crying for justice but non is listening to u. U will make heaven because u sound like a good christian from ur writeup.
This is the same way many of us think and feel. Christianity has turned into business and its sad.

RALPHOW:
Papas & Snr. Pastors please do not go to hell because of tithe

Spirituality: i will like appreciate our Papas & Snr pastors for spiritual enlightenment God used them to bring to the body of Christ, today as christian we know our rights, God bless you sirs.

Administratively: Papas and Snr. Pastors you have failed the body of Christ because God’s house has been looted by your instructions.

Tithe:
What is the purpose of tithe: that there will be food in God’s store house (every church branch has store house)
Malachi 3:10king james version (kjv)
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if i will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it

As christians are we to pay tithe? Yes, clearly stated in Deu 22, Malachi 3:10, and Mathew 23:23
Why will pastor go to hell because of tithe?
Tithe is meant for church member’s welfare
Tithes are not meant for church building or to buy cars not even for evangelism but members’ welfare.
Pastor that collect tithe and send it to church headquarters be it RCCG, Cananland, Deeper life etc or any church headquarter are looting the church branch storehouse.
Tithes are meant for church branch member’s welfare
If you are involved in the transfer of tithes to church headquarters stop it and headquarter should stop requesting for our tithes, church branches are not business center but church.
Offering may be transferred to headquarters for general use but not our tithes

Baba Adeboye please and please correct this abnormality before you go otherwise you are going nowhere.

Papa if you correct this in RCCG, winners, deeper life etc will follow and other great men of God will do so.

If the tithes are available for welfare, poverty will be eradicated in the church, evangelism will be easy, members will come for evangelism because there will be food after evangelism and many souls will be saved

Note: Baba Adeboye you are leaving thousands of business centres behind and not churches.
Every church must have stephen unit (as in the days of apostles) to manage the tithe in the welafare pulse.

Why will branch pastors personal prayers may not be answered?
Anytime a church member goes home hungry , Unclad or homeless because the tithe has been transferred to the headquarter , pastor in the church branches are forced to close their ears to the cry of the poor because the tithe that supposed to be available for welfare has been taking to the church headquarter (scripture cannot be broken)
Prov 21:13
Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

Why are christians revoking against tithe today?
Simple, because the tithe is channel to wrong causes, just like Africa leaders channels the citizen tax to wrong use.
This is the message from the throne of grace
Please papas and snr. Pastors stop it !!!!!!
(henceforth i will be paying my tithes to welfare purse, because that is where it suppose to be)
Brother….

(if you have contrary opinion please back it up with scripture)

queensera:
The Nigerian popular apostle, "apostle suleman" took to his twitter page to reveal that he just increased is own tithe from the normal 10 percent God ordered them to collect to 30 percent.

Below Is What He Tweeted:

"I Just Increased My Tithe To 30 percent, Satan Go And Die"

What is your thoughts about this.

Source:
http://www.nairaplus.com/2017/12/i-just-increased-my-tithe-to-30-percent.html

then its no more tithe, tithe is 1/10. Apostle pls try harder, pastors keep proving to us that they have been scamming us. No bible passage to justify it now its to use another format, the former one don cast, here's the new one...lolz. These guys are smart sha, but we are smarter...ahahahshahaha, sulesule...I believe u..lolzz

thesicilian:
No problems with the reverred Apostle increasing his tithe from 10% to 30%. My only issues with it are:
1. The Bible says what the right hand does the left hand shouldn't be aware of it, so we can still claim our heavenly rewards. Although then it was talking about giving to the poor, I believe the same principle applies .(Matthew 6:3)
2. If it was done to spite Freeze (I refuse to refer to him as Daddy), then it was a carnal decision and not motivated by the Holy Spirit.
3. Instead of giving Biblical reference, the man of God is quoting Adams Oshiomole!

lolzzzzz,, them nor get defence for tithe matter. Ole fowl...lolzz

Who send u? If u like give 100%, the most important is that u should be born again. Are u born of the spirit? Speaking in tongues or doing miracles doesn't make u born again, ye must be born again Mr Suleiman.

ipobarecriminals:
so on point/God bless u..Nobody force anybody to pay even offering. I was invited to one Chuch programme.During the offering time,the lady pastor "insulted" those who drop 20,50,100,200 as offering.I just open my mouth dey watch her.Trust me,kobo i nor drop.

let us do as God places in our heart, that's where lies the blessing. There was a day I was led to give some money to a pastor of a small church close to my house, I tell u the truth I lie not, his reaction was shocking, he shouted Jesus answers prayers. He said he had been praying for that exact amount of money for the roofing of the church and that one person whose husband he solicited help from insulted him so he got angry in the spirit and told God directly to build His church by sending helpers because he won't ask anybody again, that was how the church was roofed and I v not recovered from the blessing of that obedience. Its good to obey the voice of God as he speaks. I would rather obey God than any cunning pastor because I knw wen God speaks.

Who's this mumu? Both u and all ur criminal pastors can't even back ur claims with relevant scriptures. Hell awaits all of u.

ipobarecriminals:
Sorry!Not all miracle/ testimony are arrange.Wonders still happens always.Where there's no original product, u can't see Fake one.Even our prayer is a seed itself.U can't plant on a fertilize ground(Church) and not reap ur harvest.i'm a beneficiary of God's wonders.I sow and from nowhere a total stranger i dnt knw anywhere gave me more than dat.2, i carried blocks,concrete, planks/join sanctuary keepers in one popular church in Ota,voluntary/ no pay.And today,in my late 40,i have 3 sound hummer buses,my own house here in Ajah..So where there's original, u'll see fake.

u are right my brother, but truth is that we have more than enough fake and. Arranged miracles. I am a builder of God's house, it is my calling and I enjoy spending my money there, but nobody can cahole me into releasing money in the name of tithe. I give more than 1/10th and I am happy because its what I am blessed to do. I knw how God has blessed me for this but I don't support pastors cajoling people to give money. They should allow the holy spirit do the work.

FunkyAlhaji2015:
She only Sowed her car 7days ago. It actually takes 1-3 months for a ship to sail from US to 9ja. So irrespective of whether she sowed the seed or not, she would have still gotten a new car.

ur comment is the most reasonable and logical I have read today. Don't mind all these scammers called pastors, they arranged this fool to come tell us stories. She already had the car before she released the old one. All these pastors are criminals

ipobarecriminals:
where is dat mad man Freezer

how some people can tgibk they can deceive others I don't understand. She was expecting the car from the person that gave her that's y she "sowed" the one she dropped to the church. All these arranged testimonies we have seen tire. Abeg leave Mata. Meanwhile, u don't understand daddy Freeze's message. For clarity, he says tithe is not compulsory, he didn't say u shuld not give to the work of God..#freethesheeples

tiwiex:
Because he is a street boy. Let's start calling this people out jare. The ogboju don do. They have even convinced people to drop money. At least, be productive and accountable. U dey do ogboju again.

lol. We don many wey troway fear for pastors now. Me I no de look uche face again o. I found out they are worse sinners than me so wetin I de respect or fear for? Make dem pack well jare. My one naira goes to no one except for God's work. I will choose the work myself weda in d church or to other humans. Simple . no more tithes, it is a scam. Hahahahahah.

slimfairboy:

E be like say nobody get mouth pass Freeze o!

Make this Freeze just open church one time na, i go be him member...

The guy just dey spoil market anyhow!!

#FreeTheSheeples

Freeze speaks the truth that's y he is so bold. But how can ashimolowo talk like a street boy? Does he not knw his work as a pastor is to turn sinners to Christ? Or is it just to collect tithes? I said it before, Nigerian pastors don't knw their job, they are criminals. Ole bloody sinner than me. Their sins are bigger than mine. 419.