Merry chrismas madam "Americannah", welcome back to Naija, the land where "things fall apart" so easily because it is an "aninal farm" where some are more equal than the others to the extent that even "the lion and the jewel" of Daura cannot hold the center...lolzzz
Hofbrauhaus: Even if PDP presents a dog, a lot of Nigerians would vote for that dog. Buhari is a curse to humanity.
God sent Buhari to punish Nigerians for their disobedience to him..
u de tok about dog? Even of PDP doesn't present a candidate we shall still vote PDP...lolzzz buhari is satanic, an epitome of suffering and hardship. Is not his name called "buhari"? That is why my people are suffering in the land of abundance... Tufiakwa
oluFELAxy: Let me quickly explain the concept of tithing to you and what churches preach.
1. Tithe didn't come with the law. Abraham Was The first tither in scriptures. 2. He was already blessed before he gave tithes and he had access to more blessings after tithe. 3. Abraham gave 10% knowing fully well that the remaining 90% belongs to God, why he was able to sacrifice Isaac. 4. Tithe became a law to the Israelites to give 10% of their proceeds to the Levi (who were the priests) cos the levites were not to work. So the Tithe was their wage. 5. If you didn't pay the tithe as an Israelite, God was angry with you and punished you. 6. The new covenant came, Grace took over law. So the tithing concept under the law is gone. 7. The tithing idea of Abraham is what is being encourages by our pastors today. 8. Abraham was not forced to pay tithe, tithe payment is not by force. 9. Abraham was blesses before he laid tithe, we are blessed with all spiritual blessings already (even of we don't pay tithe). 10. Nobody told Abraham to pay 10%, so he could have paid 20%. Pastors today think it is reasonable to give 10% to God (Apostle Suleman already increased his to 30%) 11. Under the new covenant, our given is based on our love for God and our understanding of giving. You can decide to give God your whole salary for a year. 12. Our pastor says just like Abraham paid 10%, it is reasonable for us to have a 10% set aside from our income to give to God. 13. When you tithe, there are blessings attached. If you don't tithe, you are not cursed. 14. In all, God owns all your 100%.
u tried in ur analysis but truth is Abram didn't give because he had the intention to multiply it or was afraid of any curse. He gave 10% of what wasn't his and the remaining 90% to the king of Sodom. When Abram gage tithe there was no law guiding Israel on ttthing. Ur pastors of these days want u to pay tithe quoting Malachi with plenty threats and because freeze has burst their scam they now say we should pay it the way Abram did. Did anyone preach to Abram to give tithe? They (pastors) should also allow the people give freewill offering in whateva % they feel as long as it's from the heart. Most Pastors of these days are thieves. That's y the "uncalled" ones use charms and satanic powers to bewitch their followers. Abeg I understand ur concept of the whole stuff and u r mostly correct until I said pastors want us to pay the way Abram paid. That is my only objection. Abram paid the way Jesus would have paid "that's if He ever paid". Willingly. Any payment done outside willingness is fraud. Simple.
Okoyeeboz: Oga, shut up your mouth. The fact that you are a descendant of paupers doesn't mean others share your unfortunate history.
Oxford University Press and Harper Collins are some of the largest publishers in the world and they don't have a single jet. How many books has he sold and how many tapes has he sold that he can afford to buy 5 jets? Does Oyedepo sell more than Sony Music? How many jets does Sony Music have?
Since he's made so much personal money from selling books and tapes, can he provide us with his tax returns? If he didn't declare those in his tax documents, are you aware he is a criminal?
I don't have a problem with your paying tithes to whoever or defending Mr Oyedepo but don't insult our sensibilities and tell unintelligent lies like an epileptic drunkard just waking up from sleep.
I will carry u on my shoulder any day I meet u. U get sense, ur teeth complete. Leave dem with their pastors let them keep fleecing the sheeple. Bishop Oyedepo is one of the few pastors in the world that uses himself as an example when preaching, I hear a lot of bragadocious comments each time he preaches and I don't enjoy it at all. Christ himself didn't boast like this. I don't wana talk about pastors abeg, but I already stopped going to their churches because they can't prove anything and all their sermons about tithing and giving have been mostly lies with no original biblical proofs like freeze does. Is it not ironical that from daddy GO To all the penterascal pastors non have been able to defend this illicit way of making cash from the scriptures? Let the foolish keep giving them their money, na dem sabi.
kumuyi does nt and has Neva made money a cause for concern in his ministry. He does not tell lies because he wants money. I am not a deeper life member but I grew up there from 1985 wen I was 8 to year 2000 that I left. Kumuyi has Neva wavered in his holiness preaching and cares less about tithes. he is modest and doesn't put money into luxury and try to break guineas book of world record by building one million capacity church all in a bid to compete with others.leave kumuyi out of controversy because he is a holy man.
he apologised about TV set, he apologized for excommunicating former pastors for objecting to some of his beliefs, he even said the person that will take over from him us free to change some of the doctrines or beliefs that are strictly on morals and not completely bible based. Kumuyi is humble
I have known Deeper Life Bible Church, and it is over twenty years. Tho I don’t often attend church services that much due to hustle on Sunday, but I have some Facts to make known to make.
Do you want to hear things that people won’t tell you about deeper life bible church? Sit tight and listen.
Pastor W.F. Kumuyi has corrected some of his mistakes in the past as regards doctrine
In a bid to maintain strict discipline during the early days of the church, a lot of strict doctrines were introduced. These doctrines didn’t come with consequences like people portrayed, but were just preventive measures to some common sins. The television was banned, not because it was bad, but because it would give room for the devil to corrupt the mind.
“If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you.” Matthew 5: 30.
Right now the Television is now used to transmit the pastor’s message all over the world. He realized that God gave humans the spirit of “FREE WILL” and he urged members to make use of it the right way.
Pastor Kumuyi doesn’t have a personal Bank Account
It might interest you to know that the General Overseer of Deeper Life Bible Church does not have his own personal bank account. He is under the church budget, and likewise other full-time pastors. He feeding, dressing, logistics is budgeted monthly by the church. He has no personal property, investments, and all he has is owned by the church.
One of the Criteria to become a full-time pastor is age If you haven’t reached the age to retire from active government service, you can never become a full-time pastor in Deeper Life Bible church. Full-time pastors serve as State Coordinators, Regional Overseers, and of cause the General Overseer. Other positions are occupied by pastors who are still working and are not under the church financial budget.
Several Church Laws have been abolished by the General Overseer In his recent messages, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi has preached against the enforcement of church laws that have no root in the Bible. Popular examples remain the Turban being worn in the church, the financial capabilities of a man before he gets married, and many other relating to technological advancements. In many of his recent messages, he has preached against church leaders enforcing laws on members that would force them to drop their faith. His main focus was on the marriage committee of the church.
Holiness and Salvation is preached every Sunday If you aren’t comfortable with someone preaching to you about Holiness, Salvation, Repentance, Restitution every Sunday, then don’t bother coming to church. That is the foundation of the church doctrine, and it will never change.
Deeper Life doesn’t sing and dance on Sundays because… If you have been wondering why the church service on Sundays doesn’t come with dancing and singing, the answer is simple. “It will weaken the body; make people fall asleep and tired when the real message about going to heaven is about being preached. We have a day to praise God for singing and praises, and that is during the Thursday revival service” Pastor W.F. Kumuyi explaining to BBC World.
Financial Prosperity is never the Topic of any Message No pastor would come up the pulpit to preach about financial prosperity as a Sunday Message. The church focuses on “Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and every other thing shall be added unto you”
Tithes and offering are collected and sent to the headquarters Once it gets to the Church headquarters, it is redistributed to various states for the maintenance of churches in the state. If any Church project needs to be carried out, the amount is split according to the capability of members of the churches inside the same country. No matter how long it takes to get the donations, the church will never seek donations from outside the church. That was the reason it took the church 5 years to complete the headquarters at Gbagada.
Finally, Laying of hands is not allowed in the Church
Pastors pray from their pulpit and miracle happens. "It doesn't matter if you are close or not to a sick person. God is still in the habit of answering the prayers of the righteous" Pastor W.F. Kumuyi.
Ask me any question and I will give you unbiased answers.
when I said tgis some time ago somebody was abusing me on Nairaland. How e b now? Kumuyi has apologised for some errors In d past and I think adeboye and oyedepo should also do so. I am not against giving to God's work, but forcing pple to give under the threat of a curse is what I hate. Kudos to kumuyi for his humility.
mpowa: Many of you will stay outside and will be running your mouth, saying what you don't know Jack about. - why don't you go to winners' service for one week and see what Bishop Oyedepo teaches; some of you are so pained by the money the church makes that it as turned to paranoia; you think pastors are just talking about Tithe/Offering throughout the length of the service. If you attend winners for 6 months and do all they teach and your life does not change, then probably your case is hopeless...And am not talking about money, (because that's all some people can think about now), don't give or anything, just follow all other teachings.
I decided not to give u d dignity of an answer on that matter. But u don't knw nothing about LFC, I v attended for almost 10 years
holybabayo: You see this people... To prosper they engaged themselves in productive activity. But for us they will tell us to sow seed into their lives.
exactly my thoughts. They have so many businesses and activities going om for them but will tell u to cone to church and pray. If u wana prosper, engage in work and forget about plenty prayers. God already blessed the land for those who will work. Gospel of sowing seed in a pastor's life is big scam.
He can't deny his dota na because of Lilian. Na winsh? Make Lilian pack her face for cona. What abt all d ones she has done in d past? Who doesn't have a past. She could have forgiven and forgotten then move on. Lilian is Like a child looking for a way to cry an adult now went to konk his head, u can imagine d cry...the guy messed up by lieing but Lilian could have made him her slave for Eva by forgiving.
Throwback: Were the Levites who were entitled to collect tithes also engaged in side business by marketing religious and non religious products to the congregation?
Timijo: Who are you to judge these men of God? Are you perfect? Besides, none of them tie rope around their necks and drag them to their churches. They chose to fellowship there, and if they are not comfortable with their practices, they should leave and look for the ones that suit them.
RabbiDoracle: You are answering some parts of my post. Answer all.
Now prior to ministry, he was a carpenter. We know is dad, Joe the carpenter! So he paid tithes then. When ministering, did he advise people to pay taxes? Did he pay too?
Oya start quoting. I'm only asking logical questions.
You will agree with me that if he did, then whatever he must have received was an income and hence the advice to pay taxes on it.
If he did not, he is going against the law!
So answer me! Did he pay during the ministry or not?
RabbiDoracle: Should men of God pay taxes on all incomes the institution get? If a Bible is quoted to justify not paying taxes, shouldn't the Bible replace the constitution of the nation
. So that we all go dey quote am.
scripture has Neva been against the tax, Jesus paid tax and said give unto Caesar what belongs to him and to God what belongs to Him. God requires Justice , mercy, and humility Micah 6: 6-8, Matt 23:23. These are the weightier matters.
Timijo: You have tried on this your submission about tithe payment. I would advise you to leave those Freeze followers alone, they will not believe you because Freeze is telling them what they want to hear. These are the same people who condemn men of God for receiving gifts from their members, Philippians chapter 4 that you cited vindicates these men of God and also just justifies them. But Freeze and his blind followers will not believe because their ignorance is irredeemable. Some of them even take pleasure in insulting men of God like Pastor E.A Adeboye, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi, Bishop David Oyedepo, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, etc. I am not a member of these pastors but I regard them as men of God.
but be sincere to urself, what they are doing is it right? Can u say Jesus is happy with them? Why deceive God's people to ur personal enrichment? It's not fair na, these pastors make believers feel God does not love everyone by the way they talk and do things. I knw how Chris talks, he makes u feel if u don't give him money God will not bless u, why then did Christ die? oyedepo is very boastful, adeboye humble but sly and assumes his word to be law. Kumuyi is not talking about it because he feels guilty. Olukoya is the only one who came out to say the truth, it is not compulsory. I am not against giving because I give a lot, not to sound immodest, God placed in my heart to assist a church near me build the auditorium and I am doing it gradually, so the point is clear, its good to give to God's work but not in under any form of duress , bet9ja or merrybet pattern where u give and expect return like God is kalokalo.we give because we are blessed not because we want God to bless us but because we appreciate His blessings. If He blesses us more, well and good, but in appreciation of His blessings we give. Let our men of God repent and do God's will. A lot of people in the bible who initially were great ended sadly because they derailed e.g Solomon, Samson, gehazi, Judas etc. Its not impossible for these men of God to go to hell, yes it is possible if they continue in false teaching for personal enrichment.
Tithing as it is used in church is a law that requires people to give a tithe (one tenth) of the income to the church.
I wonder why it is very heavy for you to type. Could it be that you have realize what a hoax it is already.
Well the challenge now is that if you really want to do away with a tenth of your earnings, then use it to bring someone out of poverty instead of wasting it overfeeding already overfed daddy GOs.
#TAPChallenge
u people don't wana go to heaven abi? Papa adeboye said u must pay 10% to him or miss heaven... Una nobde hear word abi? OK na. Ahahahahahaha haha. Adeboye is a backslider he needs to return to God. Pride will not make him agree he has failed God because he sees himself as god. Non wahala we are watching. Pls read his open heaven where he lied..
truth is bitter. Freeze don spoil market for Nigerian and indeed other African pastors. Chaiii. Never knew the bible was as easy and straightforward like this. Thank u Jesus for liberation. There shall be reduced poverty in the land and people will love and return back to God. If u guys don't know, many poor people do not believe there is God, they say if there is a God then why does a few get so much wealth and the majority languish in penury, hunger and deprivation. God bless freeze
I hereby declare and decree that this pastor will die in the stead of daddy freeze. He will not use God to do merchandize and expect the children of God to keep quiet. The pastor will not pass this year. Numb 23:23. Daddy freeze I declare in the name of Jesus that no enchantment will work against u, like Phinehas in numbers 25, God, whose name alone is Yahweh has signed a pact of peace with you, you shall not die but live and bury all the thieves using the name of our God to steal. I proclaim in the name of Jesus that daddy freeze is blessed beyond a curse. Any tongue that curses u is condemned already because u uphold the laws of Yahweh. U are blessed Daddy freeze.
Statsocial: No I have said it times without number that I won't quote scriptures with Demons hiding in Human flesh. I did not create the tithe neither do I receive it but I would not let agents of the devil from the core part of hell mislead the church.
criminal that's what u all are. Romans: 1. 32. Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Statsocial: No I have said it times without number that I won't quote scriptures with Demons hiding in Human flesh. I did not create the tithe neither do I receive it but I would not let agents of the devil from the core part of hell mislead the church.
any Pastor who stands on the pulpit to preach Truth with lies is an offspring of the Serpent!
May the Holy Spirit guide us into all things right. Amen!
OkaiCorne: I actually love what is going on right now. God is ready to prove to His true worshippers that He did not use tithe and offerings to create the Heavens and the Earth...
Very soon we'll see people who were "called by God" to serve Him reduce in number...
Wolves in sheep clothing! How will somebody stand on the pulpit to deceive people that tithe is 10% of gold and silver...rather than crops and livestock?
And even bigger morons with Bibles in their hands are supporting this deception from their GOs and Pastors that know the TRUTH?! What sort of irritating ignorance is this?
I can feel u bro, people are already tired of my rantings and cries over this matter. My family has begged me to stop and leave dem to God. I don even tire sef. Gos bless daddy freeze. Do u knw they are trying to use his boss at his place of work to quench his fire? The churches are threatening not to patronise the station again if they keep allowing freeze to talk. Wetin concern office and Bible matter? U can see clearly that they are rogues. I weep for adeboye and oyedepo, I used to trust then a lot. The one singular thing I have been able to proof frombthe scripture they disagree because of selfish interests, it means majority of what they teach is false. Haba
I am surprised the chemical FFK has not reacted to daddy free and adeboye's tithe controversy. His silence shows daddy freeze has an upper hand and may be very correct. Ffk can react pass chemicals. Lolz
OkaiCorne: The same PRIDE that made Lucifer fall from the highest point of the Eternal Heavens to be cast low into the bowels of a temporary Earth...
That same PRIDE! Chai...it's well o.
It's actually funny because I see a repeat of;
1) Jesus vs The Pharisees 2) Martin Luther vs The Catholic Church
Now it's Freeze vs Pentecostal Pastorpreneurs.
At first Jesus and Martin Luther looked like controversial fools...but the passage of time vindicated them because they lived and died for the TRUTH!
I see d pain thru ur words. Let us leave dem with the fools that will keep following them into damnation if they don't repent. There's notin we can do than to keep talking and holding forth to the truth. The spirit of mammon is now leading the church but God will prevail.
OkaiCorne: My brother...I'm deeply in shock. You mean this is in open heavens? Open heavens that makes reference to the same bible that has Matthew 25 v 31-46?
Judgment day shall indeed be full of surprises?
I'd rather be an unknown man and worship God quietly even with my flaws...rather than be famous and influential and mislead millions into errors and heresies...
I hope I will recover from this shock
these men of God I used to rever so much have messed up. Leme shock u again, the major problem now is not that they don't knw they are in heresy or falsehood, PRIDE will not make dem agree. They know but can't own up because it would result in total damage. The church will scatter. But I love W.F.Kumuyi, wheneva there is a change he apologizes to his followers and they move on. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Matt5:1-8
LesbianBoy: Oga pastor we are still waiting for your "robust reply" on that miss ese matter.....its been 4 years!
this backslidder causing people to become atheists is talking. Chriatianity is finished. He bleeped ese Walter and denied when the girl came clean. Till today he has not given a robust reply he promised. That girl says there is no God if this man can go scot free from that evil. Her blood, and indeed the blood of many others shall be required from biodun's hand. I pity who worships in d cult they call church. Bleep u and ur mammon u worship.
hadow: [color=#990000][/color][b][/b] ilI like freeze for one thing : He reads the bible or he has someone who reads the bible and interprets to him but either way he should be appreciated for pointing out the thorns in the body of Christ(the church), but he is what I will like to call a sophist, if u read the open heavens of December 3 pastor adeboye never said tithing was compulsory and the fact that he said God told him tithing was right doesn't call for alarm because I wonder if God can't speak to his people again . Dr dk olukoya said the same thing and so did bishop David oyedepo. and yes Christians need to start reading their Bibles.
my friend don't support pastor Adeboye blindly. Adeboye has even said we won't make heaven if we don't pay tithe. What does that mean? Does it not mean that it is compulsory? Leme shock u with evidence. See below... I hope with these captions, we have been able to convince and not confuse u that pastor adeboye Is a backslider and needs repentance. Oyedepo and co are also co backsliders that need to repent. When last did u hear "rise up and walk" in any of their programs again? Its only about tithe tithe tithe. Bribe Godb10% and make heaven I respective of the source. They are thieves. The church is a den of robbers.. They should repent
Statsocial: First of all no Pastor is being threatened by freeze or whatever you call him. Some of them are just alarmed by his effrontery just the same way the Apostles of Old were alarmed at some individuals who were trying to mislead the Church with a different message even though they had no Authority to do so.
You need to get something straight no matter what you do you can't stop the core rccg, winners, Deeperlife or mfm members from paying tithes. Perhaps the only ppl you would convince are ppl who never paid before. And I would say this, whether Christians pay tithe or not is entirely up to pastors to decide.
When Jesus left the Earth he gave the church two things 1) The Holy Spirit 2) Men of God(Church leaders)
He did this because he believed the Church would be fine as long as the Hierarchy in Church holds. This goes in line with how God establishes institutions. When he created the family he made the man the head and when man said that structure wasn't in line with modernity they began to do it their own way and today America has a 50% divorce rate resulting in many fatherless children many of whom end up in prisons, addicts etc.
Back to Churches. Whenever there was dispute in the Early Church the Jewish Christians, Macedonian Christians, Corithian Christians, Thessalonians all wrote to the Church for Doctrinal Guidance and Church responded with scriptural(old testament) references. They sought for the leadership of the Apostles even though they had access to the same Old Testament that Paul Used to prove the instructions of the Church. They knew it was important to achieve oneness in the body of Christ so they had to submit to the leadership of the Church in Humility.
The same Berean Christians that is so cited by most of these rebels got their proof from Paul who used the Old Testament to build his case. How is it now that the same Old Testament is abominable to use by today's pastors. We all Know what the opinion of Abraham, Moses and Jesus about the Tithe.
Lol some of those rascals even claimed Jesus was referring to the Pharisees. However the Church learned to pray in sincerity after Jesus condemned the PHARISEES for hypocritical prayer and fasting. The Church learnt not to Condemn after Jesus defended the adulterous woman who was being hounded by Legalist(PHARISEES), the church learned that Sabbath was not important after Jesus played down Sabbath while conversing with Pharisees. How is it now that the same Jesus who taught the Church using the Pharisee is now being sidelined in the Faith he created?
The only ones whose opinion was never recorded about Tithing were the Apostles of the Early Church. Understanbly because Christians gave more than the Tithe in those days. However the Apostles of the Early Church are in the same dispensation as the apostles of today. Hence the clarity over tithing can only be given by Today's Church leaders.
The last time when Church members tried to school the Apostles it led to an error of Peter and resulted in Paul having to openly rebuke him. At a time, Paul was so pressured by some of these know it all Christians that he had to carry out circumsicision on an adult male to pacify some church people
That same mistake would never be allowed to repeat itself! The Church leaders have the Authority to lead the Church and no one else. If you are not happy about it you can stay in your house!
Lastly what is Femi Aribisala angry about with Ashimolowo calling Freeze a Yoyo. Haven't you heard how Paul delivered the physical body of a Christian who was troubling him to be judged by Satan(which essentially means Sickness)
Freeze as probably done worse by insulting Pastors and calling them Yahoo boys hence those pastors are allowed to Spiritually deal with him. Let us correct his brain so his spirit can be saved.
you must be one of them. Thief. All ur long story is basically stupid logic with no bible passage as reference. Turning bible stories and scripture upside down. God will judge u. Come and collect tithe na. Sebi ur fada, d devil says without tithe no heaven..oya na.
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. So that we all go dey quote am.