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Below is what the author that I cited wrote

In case Muslim readers should be greatly concerned: The variances between these different versions of the Koran are generally quite small and minor, although there are a substantial number of them. Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun has published a version of the (Hafs) Koran which contains the variant readings from the 10 Accepted Readers in its margins. About 2/3 of the ayat (verses) have some sort of variant reading. The great majority are differences in the vowels inserted in certain words (remembering that the early written kufic texts of the Koran did not include vowels or diacritical marks). There appears to be only one difference that might represent a significant effect on belief, that in surah 2:184. There are many Islamic scholars' discussions about these many differences. As an example of one, in Hafs, surah 2:140 reads taquluna, while in Warsh, that text is in surah 2:139 and reads yaquluna. Another example: Hafs surah 2:214 reads yaquula while Warsh surah 2;212 reads yaquulu. Muslim scholars agree that such variations do not seriously alter the meaning of statements made in the Koran.

Now since you folks understand the above,you should have no problem understanding why the KJV could have a phrase on the body of the text and the NIV places that same phrase on it's footnotes.

@ away4 real,there are over 20 versions of the English Korans and counting.
just 4 of them alone have undergone over 100 revisions.

Like you I love the different Bible translations, good for effective Bible studying.
Try teaching childrens' Bible study with a King James with thee,thou and "suffer little children"
The NIV,Good News and American standard are in everyday English,even a toddler can understand it.
Thank God we don't have to learn Aramaic,Greek and Hebrew to worship or know the mind of God.
Halleluia!!!!!!

olabowale:
@deariekay Not surprising that the author of the article that you quoted from, to illustrate the 'slight variations,' as he said in the Qur'an will say what he said. I am a Yoruba man, and you will know that from my name. I learnt how read the Qur'an in Arabic in America. Thank God. This is the greatest achievement of my life. It has opened my heart to the religion that you are trying so hard to put down and drag it in the same damp filth that you have your own religion and its book.

Now I read Warsh, which is more associated to the Moroccans, and also read Hafs. All my Qur'ans are in Hafs, which is an easier reading for me, because I am very used to the character. But I learnt how to read Qur'an from what the Indian/Pakistani subcontinent is more associated with. Yet it is a different character from the other two, the Warsh and Hafs! But when you pick up warsi Qur'an, you know immediately the different letters, eg fa, qaf are differently written, and unlike the Hafs, fa and qaf. But they are pronounced the same way, in both and all the Qur'ans, with slight local or dialectic pronounciation or voice inflections.

For example an Indian reciter will say va instead of wa. But everyone knows that he pronounced wa, not va, because thare is no V in arabic vocal or alphabets. Your guy is a magicians, and since he knows that he is talking to the eyes and ears and hearts and tongues that are unfamiliar to the Qur'anic words/pronounciations, he can fool you all day, all night all the time! His garbage is for the comsumptions of the ignorants. You happen for now be one of them. He knows that the muslims will destroy his hypothesis, in a minute, as even a man like me is doing right now. Yet I have not memorised a great deal of the Qur'an. But i can read every letter of these three styles i have mentioned. There are other styles that can only be read by those who studied the Qur'an in an matriculated setting. But we all pronounce it the same way. Whether you read slow, fast, prolonging as if exagerating the sound, or sharp as if compressing the sound, in Warsh, Hafs, or any style, the trained eyes, ears and tongue will correct the reciter, even when they are from opposite ends of the world, if a mistake is made.

Tell your hoodini, that his magic did nothing to the muslims. We do not falkl for flim flam, or any ind of hokeydoke! Tell your person and am addressing this to all the non Muslims, that Qur'an does not have to be written down before it can be recited. It is an oral document, so his hypothesis of written vowels or word variations id zero on the scale of 1 to 10. Zero being lets closely into the presentation, the minimun possible mark here. Afterall, Muhammad did not know how to read and did not know how to write! Yet he is the one that the Qur'an was revealed to! How about that? Further the time he forgot even a word of it, it was aprocess of Allah given us the legislation of how to correct reciters in the muslim ummah. Afterall, Allah caused His Messenger (as) to forget so that He can show us that no one is abovethe ability to forget and therefore no one should feel low that he or she is corrected. It is the same way that a mistake is correct in salah by the making up what you did not do, eg, if the numbers of rakah wee not exacly as it is supposed to be, you make the two prostrations of the face before you get out of the Salah.

This s a strange phenomina, to you, since prostration is something you are arrogant to do yet. Even muhammad was the one who had most prostrations in Salah to his Creator. Afterall, no one can be as good as him in Islamic worship. I can not say that about Christians and Jesus, since Jesus was not a Christian anyhow. So your mode of worshipis something strange to Jesus and was also developed by others after him, who could not possibly be his true follower(s).

pilgrim already answered you well my inlaw so no need beating a dead horse.
This whole thread was started for 2 reasons only

1. To prove that the Islamic claim that there are no different translations of the Koran,a big lie and deception.

2.To make them ponder at least on nairaland,anytime they choose to attack the Bible based on versions and translations

It's amazing how Muslims perpetuate so many lies about Islam,lies that are totally unnecessary.
So what if there are different Arabic Korans with some minor differences,does that change the main message Islam wants to portray to it's adherents ?
If you understand this,how difficult is it for you to understand that English translations of the Bible from the same manuscript could differ in very minor things and yet the message of the Bible remains unchanged.
I even took pains to show you how the NIV placed your so called missing phrase on a minute sentence down in it's footnotes yet your pride and claim of the "pure Koran" as written by allah didn't let you see reason.

Now you admit to reading hafs and warsh,do you understand then when I tell you I read the KJV and NKJV and that does not make me holier than a Christian who prefers the NIV or goodnews Bible ,the message of the cross and plan of salvation remains unchanged.

Earlier,you had made mention of different Christian denominations as proof that Christianity is corrupted until you were basically forced to confess and acknowledge the sects in Islam and their varying differences.

Christians would never waste time on trying to prove the Koran as corrupted,we don't need to.
We are not in competion and have never been.
The message of Christ and the whole Bible stands alone with enough historical evidence to support it.

and the thread dies a natural death

so this ogbanje/abiku thing still dey.
people abeg,it is all superstitious o
The girl is probably sickly and most likely has a congenital illness that needs attention.

which one be dano? na breast milk
abi dem don begin sell camel milk for Naija

mdsocks:
+osisi


The age of using missionaries is now over,its now arms abi ?

says who ?
Missionary work will continue till Christ returns

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Dont try to be evasive, you saw my question quite right and here it goes:


The above really caught my attebntio hence my quoting it. Please in all honesty, can you give me the verses in full from the translators going against each and some missing verses just like I have doing with your bible?

She has served you the said platter in several threads,you no chop am?
OK here it is,but wait o

I heard the Koran is basically useless when translated  to another language according to allah so he cunningly requires you to recite it in Arabic since you wouldn't understand what you're saying.419 allah
However which one should we take as the real deal in this simple text graciously served a la carte by pilgrim.

Sura 2 v 138 ~ Which is it:

   ~ a "religion"
   ~ a "system"
   ~ a "baptism"
   ~ a "dye", or:
   ~ a "colour"?[/color]

   Pickthall
   (We take our) colour from Allah, and who is better than Allah
   at colouring. We are His worshippers.

   Yusuf Ali
   (Our religion is) the Baptism of God: And who can baptize better
   than God? And it is He Whom we worship.

   Hilali-Khan
   [Our Sibghah (religion) is] the[b] Sibghah (Religion[/b]) of Allah (Islam)
   and which Sibghah (religion) can be better than Allah's? And we
   are His worshippers. [Tafsir Ibn Kathir.]
 
   Shakir
   (Receive) the baptism of Allah, and who is better than Allah in[b] baptising[/b]?
   and Him do we serve.

   Sher Ali
   Say, `We have adopted the religion of ALLAH; and who is better than ALLAH
   in teaching[b] religion[/b], and him alone do we worship.'

   Rashad Khalifa
   Such is GOD's[b] system[/b], and whose system is better than GOD's?
   "Him alone we worship." 

   Arberry
   the baptism of God; and who is there that baptizes fairer than God?
   Him we are serving.

   Palmer
   The[b] dye [/b] of God! and who is better than God at[b] dyeing[/b]? and we are
   worshippers of Him.

   Rodwell
   Islam is the Baptism of God, and who is better to baptise than God?
   And Him do we serve.

   Sale
   The baptism of God [have we received], and who it better than God to
   baptize? Him do we worship.

May I remind you, sir, that there is a world of DIFFERENCE between all these words:


   ~[color=#990000] a "religion"

      ~ a "system"

         ~ a "baptism"

             ~ a "dye",

               ~ a "colour"?!?

There are numerous such examples - but the point is simply this: which "translation" of the Qur'an is claimed to be free from error - even by Muslim scholars themselves? Your argument has always been based on "translations and versions" - and the simple query here has been to apply the same rule to the Qur'an for the fact that all the various translations are saying different things altogether!


oya begin explain am before the others show up

ckc nwanne m jide kwa k'iji.
It's all good.
For starters you'll be eating beta jollof rice and stewed kpomo
Yoruba women sabi cook rice.
I wish you the best

If she's good to you,I say take her to the nearest altar.
love knows no color race or tribe.

The only one that sees polygamy as advantageous is the man involved.
He can have 4 women to sleep with,call them wives and it's all legal in naija

This is even more pathetic.

A mere man standardised the Koran and had all other copies burnt (save the ones lost in memory and those the goat aka ewure already digested)

Different Eternal Uncorrupted Koran(s!!!) have been Burned by the Righteous Third Caliph Uthman

   Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 510, pp. 478-479; book 61 Na Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) , " So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. , "

http://www.sakshitimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=134&Itemid=42

Some of the Koran passages were forgotten by the memorizers before compilation.

Part of the Eternal Uncorrupted Koran Lost in the War

After the battle of Badr, many reciters of Koran died. The complete Koran was not yet written. Those who survived, forgot a few. In this context, it is important to read what Hadith says about it.

Abu Musa al-Ash'ari, one of the early authorities on the Qur'an text and a companion of Muhammad, is reported to have said to the reciters of Basra: “We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust".Sahih Muslim, Vol. 2, p.501).

A goat may have eaten some of the "revelations"

a slave girl, Barirah, testified (al-Tabari, p.1523), “The only fault I ever found in ‘Ā’ishah is that, when I was kneading my dough and ordered her to watch it, she fell asleep over it, and the pet sheep (or a goat) came and ate it.”

Na by Hazrat Ā’ishah that ayat-e-Rajm and ayat Raza’at were revealed, they were written on something. I kept them under the cart, meanwhile the holy prophet died and we became busy and one GOAT came and ATE those ayyat” (Ibn-e-Maja).



This is further confirmed Bukhari. Volume 8, Book 82, Number 824:

Na Ash-Shaibani: I asked 'Abdullah bin Abi 'Aufa about the Rajam (stoning somebody to death for committing illegal sexual ). He replied, "The Prophet carried out the penalty of Rajam," I asked, "Was that before or after the revelation of Surat-an-Nur?" He replied, "I do not know."

Again  babs and olabowole,you tell me stoning for adultery is not in the Koran because umar's account could not be seconded?
You are yet to tell us why Muslims and Mo stone adulteresses.
and while at it,kindly explain this hadith

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narated 'Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual    and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

I'll return later @ babs,just make sure you're wearing diapers,you may need it

Chineke God of Abia State.
The Koran is even more yeye than I thought.
So there is not a single verse today about stoning adulterers and adulteresses but yet Muhammad and Muslims carried and carry it out?
So who asked Muhammad to stone adulteresses?

this only proves that hadith right,it was taken out nicodemously by someone further proving my point.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions.



There is a hadith where Mo referred to the Torah for stoning,could that be where he saw it?
I told you people Islam was a sham,it only gets clearer.

D-reloaded:
I agree with this. I hope they let the other dude go.

bia TOH,you still dey on lockdown

tkb417:
same thing happened on a SAA flight to Lagos from Jo'bourg.
Two strong IBO guys nearly fought over compartments.

You guys needed to be der to hear HEAVY ACCENT flowing freely.

One of my colleagues is fond of not switching off her fones anytime we travel.
Anytime the plane enters turbulence, i always feel its because of her phone that is on
who wan die? but i think its best to adhere to stuffs like that.

Chanchangi na wa o

The pilot shouldnt have ordered the arrest of the other guy now? he was just trying to save everybody.

ROFL ,I can imagine the accents in time of war.
In a related story one Alhaji almost took down a man in suit for placing a suitcase on top of his.
People wandered what the problem was,it was later realised that Alhaji had a copy of his Koran in his suitcase and didn't want anything placed above it.
This is a simple request that anyone would honor but lo,he approached it in the typical Naija aggression and almost caused a jihad aboard a local flight.

For the third time,where is stoning for adulterers and adulteresses prescribed in the modern Koran ?

Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male and female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse), and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, `By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book,' and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed.

babs for the last time,please don't change the subject.
The authentic hadith I quoted said stoning was revealed,allah's prophet practiced it and his followers after him did.
My question
Kindly show us that revelation in todays Koran about stoning adultresses.

babs787:
@babyosis
A question for you please:

You know that there is Shariah in Islam and there is also punishment for boh adulterers and fornicators. So how come the important verse was left out and please before you can say a verse has been left out, can you present the same verse present in at least one of the Quranic Translators but missing in others just as I have been serving you verses present in some versions but missing in some?

Thank you

babs remember you asked the above question from my claim after quoting the hadith below

Bukhari: vol. 8, hadith 817, p. 539-540; book 82

Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male and female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse), and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah's Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him. I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say, `By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah's Book,' and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed.

It is obvious that `Umar was convinced that stoning an adulterer was part of the Qur'an and should not be removed. The modern Qur'an however does not contain these verses. So where have they gone? These verses must have been removed by those who were in charge of the text of the Qur'an. What is clear is that `Umar remembered these verses and did not think that they should be edited out while others obviously did, and so today they are not in the modern Qur'an.

Now Mr babs,I don't doubt that stoning is part of your sharia
The question is whether the above hadith is authentic or not
and by so,we'll prove if the commentary highlighted is correct.
Now an exercise for you,the commentator claims the Koranic verse about stoning was deliberatively removed in modern Korans.
Now I dare you to show me a verse of the Koran that unequivocally says adulterers and adulteresses should be stoned

pilgrim please don't let the slaves of allah derail this thread.
That is always their tactics when they are caught up in their lies.
let them start a thread about Jesus' mission and we'll join if we care.

This thread is about the versions,revisions,doubts regarding abrogations,different recitations with 7 variant meanings,the Uthm standardising and burning all previous Korans.
The thread is about exposing the Islamic lies of the Koran remaining unchanged.

Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 60, p. 46; book 60

Narrated Ibn Az-Zubair:

I said to `Uthman, "This Verse which is in Surat-al-Baqara: `Those of you who die and leave wives behind,  without turning them out,' has been abrogated by an other Verse. Why then do you write it (in the Qur'an)?" `Uthman said, "Leave it (where it is), O son of my brother, for I will not shift anything of it (i.e. the Qur'an) from its original position."

Here we see that Ibn Az-Zubair and Uthman disagreed over whether or not a particular verse should be included in the Qur'an. Ibn Az-Zubair believed that the verse had been abrogated and therefore should be removed from the Qur'an, while Uthman was insistent that the verse should remain. Uthman had his way and so this verse is in the Qur'an today.

babs,you miss the point or you're trying to be evasive.
You are angry at the wrong person,I did not pen the hadiths.
See the commentary above.
The hadith is an authentic one and here we clearly see 2 individuals fighting over which verse was abrogated or allowed.
The issue is not about abrogation ,(we already know allah hurried to please his prophet when he was in a bind )but about which ones were abrogated.
so stay on course here.

ismailys:
@pilgrim
i have read the article on wikipedia , and i think you should wait till they publish their
findings instead of predetermining their conclusion.

if at the end of the day lets say there is a slight variation from the conventional quran( in your dreams) im sure u will be jumping up and down in excitement .

anyway till then,

Have you bothered reading the thread and it's overwhelming evidence ?
You don't need to wait for wiki wiki
just read all the links provided here

Pilgrim,I hope to be in London sometime this year all things being equal.
I hope to see you face to face otherwise,I'll be looking for you in heaven.
I believe God called you to himself for many reasons and this is one of them.
Your writings on this forum have been so educational and I'm glad many are reading it.

It's been proven that everything about Islam is basically lies upon lies
Thank God for the internet people can read the lies and fabrications for themselves.
How can a book and it's readers claim there's been no revisions despite overwhelming evidence of such ?

If Muslims judge the Bible by the different Bible translations and editions,they should be willing to put the Koran under the same exact scrutiny.
There's no point repeating obvious lies fabricated by some Imams in the face of overwhelming counter evidence.
Thank God for the internet.
who no no go no

You haven't seen anything yet.
at the Nigerian consulate in New York,a few years ago,my hubby witnessed 2 grown men take off their shirts and  slug it out
Our people are of a different breed

There was also a recent fight over an overhead compartment in a plane

Enjoy this post by pilgrim1 from another thread.

Usually, I would simply advise gentlemen like you to carefully make your research and verify issues first before starting out in such outbursts.

Actually, I have seen a few of those different editions for myself when I was personally trying to verify the claims of my former religion - and yes, there are different editions of those translations: all of which are saying very different things.

For now, I'll rather point your attention to something interesting. Please see this article by A.R. Kidwai which lists them out in easy to read annotations. If you have any misgivings and you feel that what I have shared so far is not true, then you need to consult Kidwai to let him know how seriously he's misleading the Muslim ummah on this.

Did I say 85 editions from only FOUR translators? Well, you may have something to say about George Sale's translation of the Qur'an - which has undergone 123 editions already! And that is ONLY ONE version alone O!!

When you settle down, I have another list for you - but it is not about English Qur'ans. It is rather about the diferrent Arabic Qur'ans - as different as the West is from the East.  For now, to whet your appetite, you may want to see Wikipedia on yet another different manuscript of the Arabic Qur'an:


Excerpt:

The Sana'a manuscripts—found in Yemen in 1972—represent the oldest extent version of the Quran, dated to the latter half of the 7th century. In it are textual variations from the standard Quran that is presently read throughout the world.

But, of course, all those are mere sampling of small gists. When you are hungry enough, I will take the time to show you real differences between the DIFFERENT Arabic Qur'ans. Just dress warm, eh?

So babs and co,next time you want to talk of versions of the Bible think of these Koran editions and revisions.

http://www.alhafeez.org/rashid/qtranslate.html

olabowole,so you've been following this thread e kwa?

olabowale:
[s]@+Osisi; I quote sound hadith, you quote a weak one, something not likely to be from Muhammad (as). I refer to myself, as we when I want to make my wife feel that she is dealing with royalty. Just like we know which Bible parts are not real, corrupt, we also know which hadith are fake, and weak, they are injected by fraudulent actions in the process of collects. They are people like you, except the difference is by more than a thousand years. So with good sounding faith, the believers can tell you the Strong hadith, and immediately identify the fakes and the weaks.

You do not even know when the Qur'an was even put into a Book form, yet you are talking about it? It is the time of Abu Bakr, which was immediately after the death of the Prophet (as). The costodian of this first complete Qur'an was Afsat (ra), the daughter of Umar Khattab, she was also the mother of the Muslims, being a wife of the Prophet. Her father was the next leader. Mothing happened to this Qur'an in the time of Umar. Then came the time of Uthman Affan. This Qur'an was then used to produce the four or five others, based on the styles of recitations, duh!

Abrogations you said. But still in the Qur'an to show the clear wisdom of progressions of faith: example, no law against drunkenness to its being forbidden. Where do you find goats eating dry leaves under the bed, when there are fresh leaves easily accessible? In you southern USA village, no one will allow a goat to eat a leaf, dry or green, that he/she is preserving so much that it is kept under the bed, from even the casual contacts with anyone! [/s] +Osisi, you need to do better than these weak arguments. Oh, my bad. You like weak things anyway.

[s]The Al Qur'an is even in Igbo language now. Thanks to Allah. But none of these are pure Qur'an anyhow. The benefit iseven for somebody like you to be able to read that Jesus son of Mary, was no more than an Apostle, a Messenger/Prophet. And just because something is corrupt, it does not mean that it may have some truth still remaining. So it is no surprise that verses which Muhammad still remains. The same way with the Mark verse that indicates that Jesus said that he has a God, Who is the same God for all Creations.

Corruptions entered into the pure Torah, Sabuur and Injil, after the prophets left, and men did it to satisfy their human intentions, and care less about the Spiritual purity. How can you explain the god the son, the father and the holy ghost on one hand and then Mark 12:29 which clearly speaks about One True and Indivisible God?[/s]

How do ya like my explanation? And how is Oga? My warmest regards.

Biko what do you mean by weak things?
Oga is fine and strong.
Thanks for asking

D__D:
I'm not being critical here but if you can listen to "Pastor" Sam Adeyemi every sunday (as an unbeliever) and none of his words pricks your heart then i have all grounds to doubt those words of his.

Christ's message is not one that appeals to the lost, it is not a feel-good doctrine wherein everyone can just come and learn some new slogan for the week, it is not a motivational speech . . . the bible calls it the sword of the Spirit. A sword cuts throuth the heart . . .
Christ's message was so tough the pharisees spent 3 years "seeking to kill Him".

I don't remember anywhere in my bible that the unbelieving Jews, gentiles and pharisees also came to listen to Paul, Peter, James and John just for amusement . . . no where do we read that their messages "made sense" to the unbelievers and yet did not change their hearts.

Men stoned Stephen to death for his words of salvation, Paul was jailed, beaten and shipwrecked, Peter was crucified, John was thrown to the island of patmos, James was placed in a cauldron of hot oil.

Men and brethren, we live in an era where we have heaped to ourselves teachers who are simply giving us what our ears itch to hear. We have forgotten the very gospel of redemption that our early fathers fought and died for. We now take motivational speeches for messages . . . package it and sell to the gullible in the name of religion.

When an unbeliever finds it comfortable to listen to your "message" it is time to do some serious soul searching.

Let he that hath an ear to hear let him hear.

Many muslims listen to Christian preachers.
I've often heard them quoting Creflo dollar and Benny Hinn.
I encourage them to keep listening.
Faith comes by hearing.
TBN gets tons of mail from Muslims in the middle east that came to the knowledge of the saving Grace by tuning in to listen to "these infidels"
His word shall not return void.

Why do you think sharia bans public preaching and witnessing and persecutes Christians?
It's because they know the message is a powerful one and draws millions to Christ.
In Africa alone 6 million Muslims say Yes to Christ yearly.
This shows that only the truth can set men free.

Christianity is not a religion,or movement or something one is born into.
It is a conscious decision to follow Christ and live according to his precepts.
It's more than a way of life,it's life itself.