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Yes babs,the Holy Spirit has been in existence since creation
At creation,the Bible said the Spirit of God aka Holy Spirit moved over the face of the waters.
Several accounts in the Bible talk of the Sprit of God leading several prophets and judges and priests of old
however Joel and Ezekiel prophesied of the indwelling outpouring that'll only happen after the work of salvation is completed.
This happened in Acts of the apostles.

Now tell me about John 7:39 from your Muslim apologists site
where we know Christ was referring to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit as in the day of Pentecost and now.
You see how I predicted you well ?

But go ahead anyway,you're about to learn something from the people of da book just like Mo advised

babs787:
@pilgrim.1

Has the holy spirit been in existence since creation or not?

are you still trying to figure out how Mo was the holy spirit to come
Or how by the Miracle of allah,mary was substituted for the holy Spirit?

ROFL.
Wait till he whips out the tori where allah took out Jesus and smuggled in another man in his place.
We'll let him know that the heretic sect where Mo and his allah copied that tale from existed before  Mo and  his band of forty thievs were just a twinkle in their father's eyes.
Perhaps a different sect from the ones that told him trinity included mary.

almond,sincerely what would you do if Nnamdi came back with two 18 year old wives with size D cups .
welcome them with open arms?

ayinba1:
@osisi and the likes.
Are you even Christian? I have to ask this because your language is otherwise. WHy are you so eager to put down every prophet that had more than one wife as having done wrong.
Did Jesus ever speak ill of any of the prophets before him? If you are not sure, please go back to the bible and read very well.

Also if you want to attack Islam, go to the right thread, you are not really interested in answering the question or having anyone answer it.

And again, if your dad was a polygamist muslim and you had a rough time for it, please do not blame Islam. Cos really, I do not know what your issues are.,,,seriously

Get thee behind me satan

if the bus drivers allow them to preach,people should let them spread their gospel,it's called freedom of speech.
Molue buses are private enterprises when I was in Nigeria.
They are are not run by public funds and frankly people don't have to enter them.

It may be time for people to invest in I pods (or walkman) or just stuff their ears with pieces of "The Daily Sun"
If the preacher "sprays" like grafikdon alleged,people should wear rain coats and sunglasses
Thank God all the anti preaching paraphernalia have already been invented

oyb:
going by the new testament jesus died a bachelor.

since so many of you are big on interpretation and inference, maybe christains aren't even supposed to get married in the first place. ( so many of you hold jesus up as your role model, why don't you then emulate him to the fullest?

a lot of things lead to sin, confusion and lots of unneeded emotions. you are on the net now. it can lead you to porn, gambling, fraud - quick! shut down the system ! the internet is responsible for all the poverty in nigeria!

and how many wives and maidens did the Koranic Jesus have?
You see how you make no sense.
Christ himself even taught on marriage.
He was not called to marry.
Please stick to the topic and tell us the wonders of polygamy.
We are all ears

hmmm. . .

one wonders why God didn't strike down abraham and solomon

one also wonders why God made man promiscuous.

(polygamy exists or has existed in some form in virtually every society, muslim , christian, chinese, hindu, etc )


the devil has nothing to do with it.or was it the devil they worshipped in the old testamant? nigerians should stop the ridiculous practice of blaming the devil for their failings.

@oyb

The same reason he didn't strike down Mohammed when he slept with a 9 year old and captured slaves.
God is long suffering and kind,a concept hard for you to grasp.

Promiscuity is now God's doing?

You are sounding more ridiculous by the minute.
we might as well open our prisons and unshackle everyone from child molesters to murderers
afterall God made them that way.

I'm still waiting to hear your advantages of polygamy

hotfunmi:
Of course none of the people or group you mentioned above are christians. Have you forgotten that christians are followers of christ? Did Abraham or solomon follow christ and His teachings? The latter day saints(mormons)too have their own holy book known as the mormon bible and will answer to anything but christian , do more research abeg before coming here with your wikipedia argument.

My dear,it funny how Muslim apologists would grasp at anything.
The Bible never instituted polygamy.
God created one woman for Adam named eve.
I've dealt with this in another thread and would just talk on the points.

1. It was not until the seventh generation of Adam to a man named Lamech that the Bible talked of a man marrying 2 wives.

2.Gen 2 :24 God himself says Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

3.Christ during his teaching in Mark 10 :7
Mar 10:7  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;


Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.


Mar 10:9  What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

4. Apostle Paul during his ministry said in Eph 5 :23

Eph 5:23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.


Eph 5:24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.


 Eph 5:28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Eph 5:31  For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

 Eph 5:33  Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.

This same passage talks about us,the Church being the bride not brides of Christ and that analogy is well shown in the bible.

4. Lastly,  

1Ti 3:2   A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
1Ti 3:3   not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,[fn2] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4   one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence
1Ti 3:5   (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
1Ti 3:6   not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.
1Ti 3:7   Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1Ti 3:8   Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money,
1Ti 3:9   holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.
1Ti 3:10   But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless.
1Ti 3:11   Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things.
1Ti 3:12   Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

I know many will say well I'm not a Bishop or deacon but does that mean a Christian is allowed to be covetous and of a lying tongue since those qualities are also qualities exclusively for bishops?

Now the mormon sect you parrot,I'll like to know oif their leaders marry one wife?
no sir

Oyb read a Bible not some wiki wiki write up,any "Christian sect" can say anything they desire,we don't behead
Solomon in addition to 300 wives had 700 concubines,what say ye?,a man can now marry all the women in his local government area and add the other 2 LGa's as concubines?

It's always Muslims and some randy "christians" that say that Christianity ok's multiple wives.
We know better.

Dis Guy:
see how logical that sounds to you? even in buses? you don't care if the people want to listen or not
you don't care if they are Christians or not
think about it this doesn't happen in other Christian countries
why do you force it on people?

Neither does the endless Muslim call for prayers.
can't they just get wristwatches and find their way to prayer when it's time?
Why must we also endure someone screaming  at the top of his lungs on a peaceful armed-robber-free morning?

it's called tolerance,if you don't like the preaching step down,you are not held at gun point

I am still asking for the geneology of the Koranic Jesus.

Dāwīḏ:
don't ever let me see you reference that same bible . . . while we dwell on this please make sure you have a copy of allah's torah and injil. Didnt he say he sent one and confirmed it?

where is his genealogy is all we ask. Either produce it or close up shop.

allah and his Mo are the masters of 419.
Even me wan see that uncorupted Torah and Injil he graciously sent down.
before the series of abrogated Korans showed up excluding the ones the hungry ewure ate

@ Osisi
I am sure you prefer those who walk on the street naked to the modest muslim women just to be against Muslims

@ diablo abi deols,where on earth did we introduce naked women into this thread?
Is that the only thing you people think about.
get your dirty mind off naked women and concentrate.
You are on the wrong thread.
we're not sharing any  72 male virgins here

OlowoTee:
true talk because i've witnessed such too. I think those[b] sects are called "Chrislams". They profess to practise the two religions. I was surprised when the Iman preacher in the bus distributed some tracts to fellow passengers and donations were made.[/b]

OSANOBUA!!!!!!!!!!
so some Muslims have finally advanced to Islamobaptists?
chai,I no go die.
so thesae preachers are collecting offerings too?

abeg if people get money let them help them out,the Christian preacher may have a wife and children to feed and the Islamobaptist may have wives  and children
For the sake of the kids,give money if you have.

I-man:
You are comparing a person shouting that he has a bomb in public transport to leaving your phone on in a flight.The former will get you in trouble with your fellow passengers in any place and at any time.

Are you saying you have never left your phone on in a flight?

For example,50 million people use flights through Heathrow daily,at least 10% leave their phones or other similar equipment on.That is 5million daily and about 1.6billion annually.How many of these resulted in crashes?

If people are left emotionally incontinent in Nigeria over the frequent crashes,it still doesn't exculpate their ignorance and stupidity.

If an announcement is made for you to turn off your phone,just turn it off.
It's such a simple order.
If you want to find out what will happen,do it alone on a solo flight.

what kind food be this.
The name sounds dangerous

bia reloaded be careful,you may just be abusing your mr right

olabowole,since they've answered you well, can you please tell us the geneology of the koranic Jesus and how his conception occured ?

D__D:
you asked me to provide the genealogy of abraham or any of the prophets in the bible . . . i ask you to do the same for mohammed and you are crying about "use"? What was the use of asking me to provide the genealogy of abraham?

Yet again . . . please provide the genealogy of mohammed!

Allah could not have preserved the genealogy of the jews and forgotten that of his greatest prophet.

[b]419 allah.[/b]don't understimate him.

uf4oma:
more like CHRIS ROCK.

on LSD

Just another reminder for those who missed it.

the Quran by the time of the third Caliph, already had variations in the text, which required immediate repair. Therefore, all the copies of the Quran throughout the Muslim empire were collected, burned and replaced with a standardized version of the Quran. This demonstrates point demonstrates not all Qurans were the same, there was a point in time when the various Qurans were different.

The current version of the Arabic Quran, is the Quran distributed by Uthman, to the various parts of the Muslim world, after the earlier versions were collected and burned.

http://www.truthnet.org/islam/Islam-Bible/2thequran/TheQuran.htm

Another interesting thread is coming up.
To quell the Muslim lies just like this thread has beautifully done.
Oya make una read am.

Did you see how babs and olabs have been swinging from topic to topic,thread to thread with bruises to show for it.
Lest we forget,babs asked for different Koranic interpretations,he got it and ran away now he's slowly re entering.
These boys una dey cunny o
kai,menene

It's only her fellow senior citizens that are voting her her.

abeg sex na sex,worship na worship

Can we conclude from the responses so far that the only individual that has an advantage in this communal living is the man?
Hafees can you shed some light on the advantages of your happy polygamous upbringing that'll make me wish I had 3 Co mothers growing up.

oyb:
women with low self esteem are those who choose to become second wive? hahahahaha

lwomen who choose to become second wives have a lot in common with a lot of women on nairaland - who keep talking about how a man must b paid( actually, they call it hardworking) before they can marry him. they don't want any stress, they simply want an easy life.

sadly self esteem is not seen with the naked eye.
Most people with low self esteem do everything they can to appear confident and give the illusion that they have it all together.
No confident woman would choose to be sleep with a man that sleeps with several others
Don't let the outside gra gra fool you.

oyb:
osisi said that polygamy is responsible for almajiris' etal. i wonder if it is also responsible for bloods, crips etal in the us, where she resides?

Please quote me corectly,polygamy produces beaucoup de kids and high likelihood of almajiris because the parents cannot provide for all them kids.I've spent time in northern Nigeria.
Most gang members are products on single motherhood,another ill just like polygamy.

oyb:
you seem to think this is about men. well, it's also about women.so many of you a re lazy, shiftless and want an easy life(where do you think the pool of second and third and trophy wives comes from?) you are just as guilty as men are.

YOU must be the one with a problem if yo choose to refer to your feloow women as 'commodities' to be acquired. is that what marraiage means to you? acquisition?

polygamy is not about hunting. thats what 'playas' do.

Now you're talking.
I said it earlier,men who run out and marry 2nd 3rd and 4th wives to satisfy their urges in this day and age (note the emphasis) are fools and the women who marry them are even bigger fools.

ayinba1:
@+osisi, you seem well versed. Remember though that Islam permits men to marry up to four, so it is their business if they choose to do it. I said this because you came after Muslim practice.

I am not well versed in anything , just a keen observer of my sorroundings.

ayinba1:
Remember though that Islam permits men to marry up to four, so it is their business if they choose to do it.

It is their business,but when those wives include 9 year olds,it becomes my business.

ayinba1:
How do you explain the christians who do it assuming are following christianity as practised today. Please quote some biblical verse.

Polygamy is about man's insatiable appetite to sleep with several women,"Christians" and Muslims may practice it the difference however is that one religion allows it,the other doesn't.

ayinba1:
I have an aunt who was married to her husband by the first wife. My aunt is spoilt but unbelieveably beautiful, great homekeeper but akebaje, she was divorced at this time with a 6 year old daughter (she was first and only wife, ex did not remarry). This is the one I witnessed. So many other that I heard. So not every woman wants to have her man all to herself, note, NOT EVERY woman.

I don't get this tale however,if that's your wish,may you be the happy first wife of an alhaji with 21 more junior wives at your beck and call.

ayinba1:
Bottom line, polygamy is not the root of our problems. Take a poll. The commercial sex workers in Italy (of Nigerian descent), the ojuelegba, allen etc girls, the university girls in Nigeria who prostitute themselves, see what backgrounds they are from. I can tell you that you will find a Polygamy is a meagre minority in these groups.

Isn't it amazing that polygamy is now in the same moral ranks with prostitution and[i] Italian business[/i].
I'm yet to hear of your advantage.

ayinba1:
As for women marrying multiple husbands, it defies any moral logic more because of the woman than the man. However, women that feel the need for extra men always find a way to get it, be they single, married monogaous, polygamous or otherwise

What morality ?
It's ok for a man to "legally" cheat and not OK for a woman?

nnenneigbo:
b[b] uhahaha, hmm this boy sef. well my mum is igbo and she inherited property too, lets hope the property no dey for ajegunle [/b]

ROFL.
My own dad is still alive,I have brothers and I've already inherited a property.
Nnenne what is wrong with ajegunle?
Ajegunle has the "GRA" part , haba.
It's not all the "yards" that have gutters right in the middle of it.
Even if it does,you'll still find folks begging to rent it sef

olabowale:
Just on the Title alone, the Protestants do worse than the Catholics! Why? While they were breaking away from what they deemed 'Modern day Idolatry,' they copy almost the 100% of what they hated, with just the 6 or 7 Books left out, in the NT section. They kept the idea of Trinity, even though it does not appear in the Bible, one may argue it that way. The fact is that both developed an idea and attach it to a word that does not appear in the Book that they are using to prove the word, Trinity from that Idea.

Both has God the father, god the son and while the older sect has a mother god, the younger sect, which is a byproduct of the older sect replaced mother god with holy ghost/spirit god! This reminds me of the Panamanians, Cubans and the Brazilians who are worshipping the yoruba idolatry gods. They deveoped their brands of these yoruba 'thing,' clearly different from how it is known within the Yorubas. To a person looking at the 'new Yorubas of Caribbeans and South America,' brand of these idolatry and comparing it to the same type of what the authntic Yorubas of Nigeria do, he/she may be swayed to conclude that the Yorubas idolatry is the fake, between the two. One will be forced to note that even both of them are evil and not worth mentioning and should not be practiced, there is no way that an original thing could not be the authentic to the offshoot.

It is therefore to note that as much as I will not become a Christian, there is no way that the catholic sect should not be the authentic sect of Christian religion when compared with the prostestant sect! The Original is always authentic when is compared to the copycat. The original is always the one that is been around longer, than the copycat. The Original is always what the copycat uses as its basis. The Original is what the copycat gets its foundamental idea from. So you see, Catholic is older, more original, and therefore deemed authentic. Hence if Catholic is idolatry, then clearly protestant is a copycat/fake idolatry, without any doubt.

At your age,you shouldn't be lying freely as though you were passing gas.
are you trying to justify where Mohammed may have copied that fact and pasted it into his Koran ?and who tells you the concept of trinity is not in the Bible?
Alhaji abeg

leave him,let him attempt to find a wife first then he can talk.
He thinks marriage is like playing ludo.