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hotfunmi:
The premise on this hypothesis is wrong because [b]a polygamist has nothing in common with the word" faithful". He's unfaithful to his first wife which is the only one recognized by God, other wives are products of lust and adultery. [/b]

Precisely!

hotfunmi:
Lol, typical ibo style.

And it works like a miracle.
my neighbour while we were kids used his wife as a punching bag and my parents kept making peace until one day the woman fled to her family with her new born and her "brothers" returned in a danfo with machetes in hand.

while some sharpened the machetes in his frontyard,others jacked him up by his shirt and they described to him exactly what would happen if they as much as heard a whimper from mama bomboi.
That was the last time we ever heard him beat her up.
He even had to take wine to go beg for his wife back.
Some men need to be taught real lessons

bennygee:
i witnessed the incident.
the man caught his wife with his gateman making out
the gateman jumped the fence and ran away leaving the man to vent his anger on the wife.
he chased her from their house to the mainroad with the womans'
pleas for forgiveness falling on deaf ears.
she was later handed over to the sharia court

The man should go check himself.
How come an ordinary mai guard get better sexual appeal pass am.
madam no be wood now.
I wonder what the sharia courts did to the poor woman probably being starved by an unperforming mallam with a shrivelled up hotdog.

abbey10:
Shagged my relation.
I couldnt tell anyone.
She died last year.

please don't tell them at all.
It'll reopen wounds.

annamaria:
that's a tough one.
My family members don't know I lived in Ghana and returned to Nigeria and lived for about 2 years before eventually going to England. No one in my family knows till today. Only my ex's family know.

na wa.

Uche2nna:
Well, that is one option. But it will heavily depend on the number of Akpu-obi clansmen that You have. Woe betide You , if the man have more "clans men" than You

Also if the financial power of the man pass your own , na for kirikiri all those your clansmen go sleep

My brother one doesn't have to be a killer to see dead bodies.

If she no get am for muscular clansmen,she can rent some to roughen the guy up a little and teach him a little sense in the language he understands.
Then after we all go for confession and marriage counselling ROFL.

oyb:
chai! these S & M feminists! whats this an inquisition?

what is your solution then?
The man needs to be taught a lesson by his fellow men .
I'm a lover not a fighter
but if I dey jejely and a man come smack me gbowai on a street corner, baby,it's on!
He has declared war and God help him.

The woman no get brothers and male relatives
If I were her,I'll  "unleash" all my male clansmen to give him the beating of his life
That way when the case is being arbitrated,everyone will be speaking the same language of pain and suffering.

osisi I thought you hated sports

just mourning with Mr osisi who is a patriots fan.
couldn't be bothered.
are they feeding me?

You convent?
They'll reject you.
You'll spoil the nuns

yemivictor:
osisi,

The truth of the matter is you are a one-man-woman to the best of your knowledge, and as far as your myopic eyes can see!

Consider that you are married to a skillful monogamous guy who's good @ covering his tracks!

You wont know a thing and he'll keep "dipping" you with the communal sugar stick until perhaps you catch a disease or something, speaking of which, he might even blame that on you for . . . using a public toilet!

My point is, you may never know unless he slips or something!

Now just juxtapose the above scenario with that of an alhaji who is "hypothetically" faithful to his 4 yarinyas and where you can at least vouch for their high level of hygiene and tell me which is better!

Remember! It's all a hypothesis.

You must be speaking so convincingly from your personal experiences.
We don't all have the same experiences,do we?
There are still monogamous men out there.
Not all men are dogs

This thread is not about me and mine.
I'll appreciate we keep it that way.
Thank you!

oyb why are you naming all these nyama nyama diseases here.
can you imagine a polygamous man catching any of those diseases.
4 women called wives sleeping with him unprotected automatically get it.
Most smart mistresses will insist on protection,wives usually would trust that neither the man nor her co abunna mate are messing around.
That's too much to trust 4 humans with my life
Na death sentence be that.

No way sir

yemivictor you asked if I'll rather not know who my contenders are rather than be in a monogamous relationship.
The answer is a big fat NO
I am a one man woman.
I will not share,I refuse to share my man with anyone.
co wives and concubines are no different just a change in terminology.
and what makes anyone think that men with 4 wives don't cheat?
Think again
Those mugu alhajis are husbands of several wives.

I just thought of something and I felt nauseated.
You know how Muslims marry their first cousins.
so a Muslim man can marry all 4 of his first cousins.
Now that sounds creepy.
This is by the way

The twelve
Main article: Twelve Apostles
Most of the attention in the gospels is given to a specific group of disciples called by Jesus on the top of a mountain and commissioned by him as the Twelve Apostles. These men are:

Simon, called peter

Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter

James (called the son of Zebedee by Mark and Matthew)

John (Mark and Matthew identify him as the brother of James, son of Zebedee)

Philip

Bartholomew, named Nathanael in John

Matthew (whom the Matthew evangelist identifies as a publican), named Levi in Luke
and Mark

Thomas

James, son of Alphaeus

Simon, called a zealot in Mark, Matthew, and Luke

Judas Iscariot

Jude Thaddaeus, called Thaddaeus by Mark, Lebbaeus Thaddaeus by Matthew, and Judas of James by Luke

babs787:
@Milenna

Point of correction, Babs has bible versions with him and gives you verses from same because it is what you believe in.He was like you for years before his journey to Islam.





@Babyosis

Pasting different versions is not helping you at all but further exposing you.


Now please, Do we have one or more than one Judas among the 12 disciples of Jesus?
When you do, I will give you another list of twelve disciples different from those listed above in the gospel of Luke.
A thread on the authorship of the four gospels will be out soon.

Thanks

You keep showing up your ignorance.
Yes there were 2 Judases amongst the 12.

1. There was Judas the brother of James,whose father was also named James,He is also known as Thaddeus.

2.Simon the cannenite is also referred to as simon the zealot

3. Bartholomew is also called Nathaniel.

4. Christ had as his apostles 2 Judases,2 simons and 2 Jameses and others.

5.Matthias replaced Judas iscariot after the others cast a lot as I shoed earlier.

You see how your ignorance knows no bounds.

babs the issue is you are a very dishonest person and wouldn't recognise truth even it spoke Yoruba and bit you in the butt.

These were your first 2  questions.

Arithmetical conundrum

Luke 24 v 33; and they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem and found the eleven gathered together and them that were with them

1. Which eleven?

2. Did they include themselves in the numbers they find?

Now anyone reading the above knows the writer is of the opinion that Jesus had 12 disciples,which we know is false,he had many disciples and 12 apostles as shown in the reference I gave you from an earlier vers,for clarity here it is again

KJV And when it was day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
King James Version 1611, 1769

so your first ignorance is exposed  but since you love to blow your own trumpets,you gloss over it and latch unto something else [/color][color=#990000]as usual.

Now read the whole of Luke 23 and luke 24,the they in that verse you lifted referred to some men and women and peter.
Yes Christ appeared to Peter and co on the way and to prove that Mattias was then amongst the apostles see this scripture.


"

So one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time that The Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John until the day when He was taken up from us - one of these men must become with us a witness to His resurrection."

"And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed and said, "Lord, Who knowest the hearts of all men, show which one of these two Thou hast chosen to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside, to go to his own place." And they cast lots for them, and the lot fell on Matthias; and he was enrolled with the eleven apostles." (Acts 1:12-26 RSV)

Your questions and arguments sound so childish.

babs wrote

Brother why do like deceiving yourself, covering truth with falsehood? The verse I gave you is a very straight forward one.

Let us view the verse again:

Also Paul said that after the days, Jesus was seen of Cephas (Simon Peter) then to the twelve.

Paul made it known to us that Jesus first saw Peter and then the twelve, meaning that he first saw Peter and later saw the twelve, so which twelve was he referring to here?

does it need any explaining if one told you Christ appeared to Peter and then to the 12.
Is it impossible for you to comprehend that at the second time Peter was included?

Assuming you,olabs and hafees were my disciples and someone reported that
+osisi came to babs and then came to the three.
Who are the 3 referenced?
do you need a soothsayer to tell you babs saw me twice.

I am devastated.

It looks like these muslim men did "meeting" and are on the prowl for Christian girls.
Olabowole says Christian girls are lose and dirty yet they are falling over themselves to grab them.
What happened to their own sisters?,not "sexy " enough for alhaji's?

I spent some time in Northern Nigeria,if you see how these alhaji's run after southern girls.
You'll just be walking down jejely down a road with some friends and before you know it some alhaji dan Bauchi is stopping beside you and saying enticing words wih that their fine Hausa accent.

And they sabi chase women.
Kai menene!!
The smiles alone can make a girl forget her Bible if care is not taken.
Then if the girl happens to be light skinned,the Alhaji will be practically salivating as he's speaking.
I can definitely see how that can happen.
I don't know if they're taught the art of women chasing at the mosques.
A cousin of mine almost married a Kano state Muslim thanks to her praying mother,the marriage was cancelled in heaven.

Logical:
I have read this argument raised again and again, what standard are we using to judge his marriage to a 9 year old, 1000+ years ago?

go to Katsina, kontagora and Afghanistan,you'll see 8 and  9 year old brides of 53 year olds.
Someone set that "stellar example"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5541006

hotfunmi:
Thank you Josh. I weep for my aunt because she does not know what she is entering. She told me that as long as they love each other, every other thing is secondary. I am yet to see the praises that will be in her mouth when her husband comes back with a second wife. My greatest concern is her kids, will they be worshipping christ and mohammed at the same time? That is hypocrisy and God commands us in the 10 commandments to worship no other God beside him. Marriage cannot come between me and my God.

MY sister warn her fervently and pray that she does a 180 before that man gains a greater part of her heart.
So many women especially when their biological clock has ticked and tocked,do tumbom tumbom and marry anything that shows up in a shokoto just to answer Mrs somebody.
This is the time to tell her the consequences if you don't want to start praying MFM prayers for her in months and years to come.
A Christian should not be yoked with unbelievers.
What kind of Christian is she sef?
That is not the will of God or her ,she needs to read her Bible.

I wonder how some women will allow a man's Instruments that has swept other "womanhoods" to come and enter inside my own "womanhood"?  Collecting debris--candida and trichomonas along the roadside to finally deposit it in my own "womanhood"?   I refuse such a "broom" in my house! My "womanhood" can never be slapped in such a filthy fashion---only in a neat fashion of course!

Frankly, you are right.  I refuse to go through the religious route.  But that is "unthinkable"--for healthy reasons! In 2008?   What arrogance and pompousirrrrrrrrrrrrrry!!!!!

Yeah!  A woman does not have to be married to a complete human?   Half a dog is better than no dog at all!       



God bless Logan!!!!

Please more responses!  I am so bored this night!

My sister na wa o.
I won't even dip my nachos in a sauce if I observe someone double dipping in the dip bowl.
How the fried chicken will I allow a man to dip me and dip several others?

D-reloaded:
strawberry abi poison?

my dear oh
wetin I go say?

As for your reference to old levitical laws,Christ fulfilled all of the law.He is now the lawIt does not apply to Christians

now let's see the Word of Life and bestseller of all times

Hbr 7:11   Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?

Hbr 7:12   For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

geddit now honey?

router:
lol, Did it provide a good answer to lies posted by your shameless holyghost inspired brother in christ or not,

is it "paining" you that we've practically weighed Muhammad (piss be unto him) and his allah on the scale and found them him wanting?
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that allah was just Mo's alter ego.
First off allah says max of 4 wives and mo had over 22 including a little girl and slaves captured from war.
Make sure to stick around,we'll show you things you never knew.

4Him:
Router . . . when you are ready to do a lot more than shamelessly plagiarise http://www.answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm then we can reason together.

at least you've taught him something about honesty.
Mohammed don't know swat about that

router:
In the Bible:

Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men (since Jesus, the GOD, is the one who supposedly inspired the New Testament as Christians claim): Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb."

Plagiarism is a crime and here on nairaland,it's become the classic Muslim  way,copying other peoples write ups and parading them as theirs.
Be decent enough to quote the site you copied from and the rebuttals.


Yes those 144,000 were selected specially for a purpose and they were to remain chaste.
Just like Christ himself was never married and remaine a virgin,he had a purpose and a ministry to fulfill.
There was also John the Baptist who had specifications of food,he had a calling.
Samson was not to shave his hair,that was a mandate for a purpose.

God created man,Adam and wthen created a wife for him or a purpose.
That's why the Bible says the following

         

Gen 1:27  So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Gen 1:28  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

So you see,God instituted sex and marriage,Adam and Eve were not called to be unmarried.

Now let's look at what preceeded the passage you copied and pasted.

."
Rev 7:4   And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:


The Bible further tells us these are from the tribe of Israel,called for a purpose and they were to be chaste and undefiled,only solely after the master's business since we know marriage can present a distraction and the specific part those 144,000 would play in the end times required such a calling.
But see where I,pilgrim1,cgift,davidylan,Jesoul,tayoD and all Christian believers fall in Halleluia

Rev 7:9   After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
Rev 7:10   and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"


Glory Halleluia!
Thank you Jesus!!
Who was,who is and is to come.
The lamb that sits upon the throne.
To you be ALL Honor,Glory,Might and all Dominion forever!!!!!!!

and just because you like translations @ babs,take your pick.

[b]KJV And when it was day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
King James Version 1611, 1769


NKJV - Luk 6:13 - And when it was day, He called His disciples to Himself; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles:
New King James Version © 1982 Thomas Nelson


NLT - Luk 6:13 - At daybreak he called together all of his disciples and chose twelve of them to be apostles. Here are their names:
New Living Translation © 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust


NIV - Luk 6:13 - When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles:

New International Version © 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society


ESV - Luk 6:13 - And when day came, he called his disciples and chose from them twelve, whom he named apostles:

The Holy Bible, English Standard Version © 2001 Crossway Bibles


NASB - Luk 6:13 - And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles:
New American Standard Bible © 1995 Lockman Foundation


RSV - Luk 6:13 - And when it was day, he called his disciples, and chose from them twelve, whom he named apostles;
Revised Standard Version © 1947, 1952.


ASV - Luk 6:13 - And when it was day, he called his disciples; and he chose from them twelve, whom also he named apostles:
American Standard Version 1901 Info


Young - Luk 6:13 - and when it became day, he called near his disciples, and having chosen from them twelve, whom also he named apostles,
Robert Young Literal Translation 1862, 1887, 1898 Info


Darby - Luk 6:13 - And when it was day he called his disciples, and having chosen out twelve from them, whom also he named apostles:
J.N.Darby Translation 1890 Info


Webster - Luk 6:13 - And when it was day, he called [to him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named Apostles;
Noah Webster Version 1833 Info


HNV - Luk 6:13 - When it was day, he called his talmidim, and from them he chose twelve, whom he also named apostles:
Hebrew Names Version 2000 Info


Vulgate - Luk 6:13 - et cum dies factus esset vocavit discipulos suos et elegit duodecim ex ipsis quos et apostolos nominavit
Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D. Info
[/b]

babs787:
Arithmetical conundrum

Luke 24 v 33; and they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem and found the eleven gathered together and them that were with them

1. Which eleven?

2. Did they include themselves in the numbers they find?

Even if they do, the disciples there (of the elected 12 of Jesus) could never be more than 10 altogether because on this visit of Jesus to that upper room, Judas and Thomas were definitely not present.

Also Paul said that after the days, Jesus was seen of Cephas (Simon Peter) then to the twelve.

3. Which twelve?

The word ‘then’ excludes Peter. Even if you add him, you will never get the twelve because the traitor Judas had committed suicide before the alleged resurrection!

Thanks

My dear, take time and read the Bible, 4Him already gave you an excellent answer,I'll just take you back to Luke 6,before the event you reported in Luke 24.
Our God is orderly and is not an author of confusion.

Please read this.



Luk 6:12 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.


Luk 6:13 And when it was day, he called [unto him] his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Luk 6:14 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,


Luk 6:15 Matthew and Thomas, James the [son] of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,


Luk 6:16 And Judas [the brother] of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.


so honey,Christ had a whole bunch of disciples including women but 12 apostles, sort of like an inner circle.

Below is my first post

Translations are bound to have very small,sometimes negligible differences that don't alter the main message of the texts.
We have had several muslim apologists boast of the one Al Koran in arabic,un touched and unchanged,just like allah delivered it unto his prophet Muhammad.

Some have gone as far as making claims that the Bible is corrupted since it has various translations even though the various English translations have no contrasting messages.

Now we know the English translations of the Koran differ in style of writing so the Muslims tell us the Koran is basically useless in any other language but arabic and claim there is only one Arabic Koran.

What do you say if I tell you that claim is false
There are different Korans and I have proof.

The five current versions of the Koran are:


The Transmitter Hafs, who is Hafs ibn Suleyman ibn Al-Mugheerah Al-Asadi Al-Kuufi (d. 180H):
His Qiraa'ah named Hafs from 'Aasim is the most popular reading of the Quran in the world today, except for some parts of Africa. Hafs was officially adopted by Egypt in 1924. His chain from 'Aasim:

He heard from 'Aasim ibn Abu Najud Al-Kuufi (d. 128H) who was Taabi'i, i.e, among the generation following the Sahaabah, who heard from Abu Abdur-Rahman Abdullah ibn Habib As-Sulami, who heard from Uthman ibn Affan and Ali ibn Abi Talib and Zayd ibn Thaabit and Ubayy ibn Ka'b, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).


The Transmitter Duuri, is Abu 'Amr Hafs ibn Umar ibn Abdul-Aziz ibn Subhan Ad-Duuri Al-Baghdaadi (d. 246H):
His Qiraa'ah named Duuri from Abu 'Amr is popular in parts of Africa like Somalia, Sudan as well as in other parts. His chain of from Abu 'Amr:

He heard from Abu Muhammad Yahya ibn Mubarak ibn Mugheerah Yazidiyy (d. 202H), who heard from Abu 'Amr Zuban ibn 'Ala Maziniyy Al-Busriyy (d. 154H), who heard from the Qiraa'aat from Sahaabis Ali and Uthman and Abu Musa and Umar and Ubayy ibn Ka'b and Zayd ibn Thaabit, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).


The Transmitter Warsh, who is Abu Saeed Uthman ibn Saeed Al-Misri, nicknamed Warsh, (d. 197H):
HIs Qiraa'ah named Warsh from Naafi' is popular in North Africa. His chain from Naafi':

He heard from Naafi' ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Abu Nu'aim Al-Madani (d. 169H), who heard from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn Al-Qa'qaa' and Abu Dawud Abdur-Rahman ibn Hurmuz Al-A'raj and Shaybah ibn Nisah Al-Qaadhi and Abu Abdullah Muslim ibn Jundub Al-Hudhali and Abu Rawh Yazid ibn Ruman, who heard from Abu Hurairah and Ibn Abbaas and Abdullah ibn 'Ayyaash ibn Abi Rabii'ah, who heard from Ubayy ibn Ka'b, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).


The Transmitter Suusi:
His Qiraa'ah named Suusi from Abu 'Amr is also found around the world in small parts.


The Transmitter Qaaluun, who is Imaam Qaaluun:
His Qiraa'ah named Qaaluun from Naafi' is popular in places like Libya in Africa. His chain from Naafi':

He heard from Naafi' ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Abu Nu'aim Al-Madani (d. 169H), who heard from Abu Ja'far Yazid ibn Al-Qa'qaa', who heard from Abdullah ibn Abbaas and Abu Hurairah, who heard from Ubayy ibn Ka'b and Zayd ibn Thaabit, who heard from the Prophet (PBUH).


In case Muslim readers should be greatly concerned: The variances between these different versions of the Koran are generally quite small and minor, although there are a substantial number of them. Muhammad Fahd Khaaruun has published a version of the (Hafs) Koran which contains the variant readings from the 10 Accepted Readers in its margins. About 2/3 of the ayat (verses) have some sort of variant reading. The great majority are differences in the vowels inserted in certain words (remembering that the early written kufic texts of the Koran did not include vowels or diacritical marks). There appears to be only one difference that might represent a significant effect on belief, that in surah 2:184. There are many Islamic scholars' discussions about these many differences. As an example of one, in Hafs, surah 2:140 reads taquluna, while in Warsh, that text is in surah 2:139 and reads yaquluna. Another example: Hafs surah 2:214 reads yaquula while Warsh surah 2;212 reads yaquulu. Muslim scholars agree that such variations do not seriously alter the meaning of statements made in the Koran.

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http://www.mb-soft.com/believe/txo/koran.htm

and hear what olabowole admitted to that no other person had the courage to say.

Not surprising that the author of the article that you quoted from, to illustrate the 'slight variations,' as he said in the Qur'an will say what he said. I am a Yoruba man, and you will know that from my name. I learnt how read the Qur'an in Arabic in America. Thank God. This is the greatest achievement of my life. It has opened my heart to the religion that you are trying so hard to put down and drag it in the same damp filth that you have your own religion and its book.

[b]Now I read Warsh, which is more associated to the Moroccans, and also read Hafs. All my Qur'ans are in Hafs, which is an easier reading for me, because I am very used to the character. But I learnt how to read Qur'an from what the Indian/Pakistani subcontinent is more associated with. Yet it is a different character from the other two, the Warsh and Hafs! But when you pick up warsi Qur'an, you know immediately the different letters, eg fa, qaf are differently written, and unlike the Hafs, fa and qaf. But they are pronounced the same way, in both and all the Qur'ans, with slight local or dialectic pronounciation or voice inflections.

For example an Indian reciter will say va instead of wa. But everyone knows that he pronounced wa, not va, because thare is no V in arabic vocal or alphabets. Your guy is a magicians, and since he knows that he is talking to the eyes and ears and hearts and tongues that are unfamiliar to the Qur'anic words/pronounciations, he can fool you all day, all night all the time! His garbage is for the comsumptions of the ignorants. You happen for now be one of them. He knows that the muslims will destroy his hypothesis, in a minute, as even a man like me is doing right now. Yet I have not memorised a great deal of the Qur'an. But i can read every letter of these three styles i have mentioned. There are other styles that can only be read by those who studied the Qur'an in an matriculated setting. But we all pronounce it the same way. Whether you read slow, fast, prolonging as if exagerating the sound, or sharp as if compressing the sound, in Warsh, Hafs, or any style, the trained eyes, ears and tongue will correct the reciter, even when they are from opposite ends of the world, if a mistake is made.[/b]

Tell your hoodini, that his magic did nothing to the muslims. We do not falkl for flim flam, or any ind of hokeydoke! Tell your person and am addressing this to all the non Muslims, that Qur'an does not have to be written down before it can be recited. It is an oral document, so his hypothesis of written vowels or word variations id zero on the scale of 1 to 10. Zero being lets closely into the presentation, the minimun possible mark here. Afterall, Muhammad did not know how to read and did not know how to write! Yet he is the one that the Qur'an was revealed to! How about that? Further the time he forgot even a word of it, it was aprocess of Allah given us the legislation of how to correct reciters in the muslim ummah. Afterall, Allah caused His Messenger (as) to forget so that He can show us that no one is abovethe ability to forget and therefore no one should feel low that he or she is corrected. It is the same way that a mistake is correct in salah by the making up what you did not do, eg, if the numbers of rakah wee not exacly as it is supposed to be, you make the two prostrations of the face before you get out of the Salah.

This s a strange phenomina, to you, since prostration is something you are arrogant to do yet. Even muhammad was the one who had most prostrations in Salah to his Creator. Afterall, no one can be as good as him in Islamic worship. I can not say that about Christians and Jesus, since Jesus was not a Christian anyhow. So your mode of worshipis something strange to Jesus and was also developed by others after him, who could not possibly be his true follower(s).

babs787:
@pilgrim.1


Now go to the the first thread/post on religious section, read it and let me know who started it.

show me a derogatory word on the first post.
I merely pointed out a fact that you folks like to "dodge" and olabs confirmed it to be true.
Why should the fact that there are different Korans make anyone mad if it's a true saying?